Re: [MBZ] Psychotic POS

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I’ll drop the window far enough that I can reach in and get to the door release 
handle and/or the lock plunger.  Better to have a wet seat than be locked out 
in the rain.

Dan


> On Feb 21, 2016, at 12:11 AM, fmiser via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> And when it's raining hard?
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[MBZ] The Seller is Correct

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I think this may have been posted earlier as a potential crack user.  I ran the 
VIN and it is a “guard edition”.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/322009892532?euid=3648d808e33046cfa10814de90432ccb&cp=1&exe=11473&ext=27979&sojTags=exe=exe,ext=ext
 


Stil doesn’t justify the price, but….

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Psychotic POS

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

My 85 190D would do that too, totally randomly. Kept me on my toes...


Curt

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From:"Jim Cathey via Mercedes" 
Date:Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 2:38 AM
Subject:Re: [MBZ] Psychotic POS

> He can drive the SDL.  it won't lock its doors.

It absolutely can, and ours did, with our one and only
key inside.  It never _should_ lock its doors on its own, but...

-- Jim




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Re: [MBZ] Psychotic POS

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On February 21, 2016 at 9:31 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> My 85 190D would do that too, totally randomly. Kept me on my toes...

I see what you and Jim are saying, but there's a difference between ancient and
erratic hardware and deliberate design. 

Suddenly I'm having a flashback to a ten year old TV commercial: 
OnStar, I locked my keys in the car, please let me in.

Nobody in the commercial ever said that The Car locked the keys in the car, but
now I think that's the general idea. Pay us $34.99 a month, and we'll let you
back in your car after we lock you out, and you won't even have to find a rock
to break a window. 

As for the 'roll down a window first and you'll be safe' comments, I'm pretty
sure a car that can lock its own doors can close its own windows. Remember the
time BBC Viki drove a 124 into a water trap and it shut the sunroof on her while
she was trying to escape?

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Re: [MBZ] Psychotic POS

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

As for the 'roll down a window first and you'll be safe' comments, I'm 
pretty

sure a car that can lock its own doors can close its own windows.


An SDL, for example, cannot.  Only the switch(es) run the windows,
there is no computer involved.  The door locks don't involve a computer,
but the voting circuit in the vacuum/pressure pump could spuriously
decide (or maybe it's flakey switch inputs?) that it was time for
everybody to be in the opposite state.  If the pump runs, all locks
will go into the state that is appropriate for whether it was pulling
vacuum or pushing air.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Manic Martha'ing

[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 8:13 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> some crappy FLAPS battery.
>

FLAPS?

-MMM-
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Re: [MBZ] Manic Martha'ing

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

M cubed writes:

‎>>some crappy FLAPS battery.
>

>FLAPS?

Favorite Local Auto Parts Store.

Rick 
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Re: [MBZ] Manic Martha'ing

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Charged it for 45 minutes and it started right up.  Only ran it long enough to 
move the car around the driveway.  Started up this morning without a hitch.

I’ll add this to my list ‘o’ stuff to do.

Of course there’s no date code or little circles punched out of the labels on 
the FLAPS battery.  Why don’t people do this???

Dan

 
> On Feb 21, 2016, at 11:26 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> M cubed writes:
> 
> ‎>>some crappy FLAPS battery.
>> 
> 
>> FLAPS?
> 
> Favorite Local Auto Parts Store.
> 
> Rick 
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[MBZ] Car Jump Start Packs

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

If I decided I wanted to have a jump start pack, how burly does it need to
be to be able to, say, start the OM606 from dead battery status?

Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] Psychotic POS

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

As for the 'roll down a window first and you'll be safe' comments, I'm pretty
sure a car that can lock its own doors can close its own windows.


An SDL, for example, cannot.  Only the switch(es) run the windows,
there is no computer involved.  The door locks don't involve a computer,
but the voting circuit in the vacuum/pressure pump could spuriously
decide (or maybe it's flakey switch inputs?) that it was time for
everybody to be in the opposite state.  If the pump runs, all locks
will go into the state that is appropriate for whether it was pulling
vacuum or pushing air.

-- Jim


"I prefer smart people with dumb phones over dumb people with smart phones!"

I prefer smart people with "dumb" cars over dumb people with 
"smart/automated/computerized" cars.


I prefer "dumb" cars over "computerized" cars.

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Re: [MBZ] Car Jump Start Packs

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Save your money.  I've never seen  one with enough guts to start a 
Diesel.   It is better to carry a set of 4 ga to 0 ga jumper cables. 
Or, at lease 6 ga.  those will work to charge the battery enough to 
start the engine if you give them 5-10 min of charging, but they will 
get hot.




If I decided I wanted to have a jump start pack, how burly does it need to
be to be able to, say, start the OM606 from dead battery status?

Bob R


First time I ever saw one, I was working for the Univ out at the old 
research reactor site, driving the 240D.  15-20 below, the car would 
not start.  The univ jump start guys walk out with this jump pack 
thing and clip it on.  It was exactly like nothing was there.


I politely suggested if they have real jumper cables, that they 
should try that.  They did, and it started right up.


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[MBZ] another stealer exposed

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Copied over from the facilbuch:  MBCA Hawaii 
Section   It is hard to read as it copied over to 
text, but you can get the gist of the event.




Question: over the past week I started hearing a 
knocking sound when I turned my steering wheel. I 
took it to the dealership yesterday to have it 
checked. They stated it was the bearings in the 
power steering rack and pinion, and that the 
entire stem would need replacing ($2950), not 
just the bearings. Anyone have experience with 
this? Any other shops on island you might 
recommend for estimate on this type work?

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James E. Guerrero
James E. Guerrero Try A1 Euro
Like · Reply · 2 · February 9 at 12:48pm
Jack Rivers
Jack Rivers VIP in Kapolei
Like · Reply · 1 · February 9 at 1:48pm

Loren Faeth I don't know the model or the 
mileage, but it is highly unlikely! More likely 
to be a ball joint, a tie rod end or the tie rod 
loose in the steering rack. If the latter, that 
might just need a lock nut tightened. If the rack 
and pinion is truly shot, I'd be on the phone to 
find the MB zone rep so fast the wires would 
melt. High probability MB will warranty the 
replacement if it is truly a problem. Keep your 
franklins in your pocket until you get a 
confirmation by the zone rep or a reputable 
independent. MB cars have been driven all over 
the world in very rough conditions without the 
steering gear (rack and pinion) becoming a 
problem in less than 200,000 miles. They will 
often go 250,000 to half a million with no 
problem in the steering box.

Like · Reply · 1 · February 9 at 4:31pm
Loren Faeth
Loren Faeth PS Driving until you get a proper diagnosis should not be a problem
Like · Reply · 1 · February 9 at 4:32pm
Elizabeth Freitas
Elizabeth Freitas Call A-1 Euro Auto at 946-9885.
Like · Reply · 1 · February 9 at 4:48pm
Austin Urquhart
Austin Urquhart Thanks! Btw it's a 2010 c300 with 40,000 miles
Like · Reply · February 9 at 5:35pm
Elizabeth Freitas
Elizabeth Freitas They are reasonable.
Like · Reply · 1 · February 9 at 6:22pm
David Dubya
David Dubya Had similar symptoms in my Volvo. 
at 120,000 miles, was the control arm bushings 
 for that car it's about a $1300 job. if the 
entire steering needs to be replaced  it it 
much more serious, I wouldn't expect that unless 
the car ran over some debris and damaged the 
under side. If not, with only 40K on the clock... 
you might have a shot at getting it covered under 
a warranty.

Like · Reply · February 10 at 11:48am
William K. Verburg
William K. Verburg Did you get it resolved?
Like · Reply · February 12 at 11:43am
Austin Urquhart
Austin Urquhart I have an appointment on Monday 
at A1 Euro to see what they say. I couldn't find 
anything on a zone rep...

Like · Reply · February 12 at 12:16pm
William K. Verburg
William K. Verburg Let me know what they find
Like · Reply · February 12 at 12:42pm
Loren Faeth
Loren Faeth I'll try to find out how to contact 
the zone rep. Meantime, you might try contacting 
the MBCA national office (Or MB) and see if they 
can put you in contact. The dealer should do it 
for you, but that is often refused or dicey.

Like · Reply · February 12 at 2:27pm
Loren Faeth
Loren Faeth Here is the MB contact: Mercedes-Benz USA, LLC.
Customer Assistance Center
3 Mercedes Dr.
Montvale, NJ 07645
Tel: 800-367-6372
Fax: 201-476-6213
Customer Care: Prompt #4 They should be able to 
put you in contact with the zone service rep.

Loren Faeth
Loren Faeth Read the posts on this link. But the 
best bet is calling the MB customer service 
number in the prior post. 800-367-6372 
http://www.mbca.org/forum/zone-rep-request

Zone Rep. request | Mercedes-Benz Club of America
Every MB dealer's service manager should be able 
to furnish it for you.. I met with two different 
ones several times when I had unresolved warranty 
issues with my '99 when it was under warranty.. 
--Don't ask if they helped me in getting the car 
fixed.

MBCA.ORG
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Elizabeth Freitas
Elizabeth Freitas Did A-1 Euro resolve the problem this past Monday?
Like · Reply · 1 · 5 hrs
Austin Urquhart
Austin Urquhart Yes they did!!! There was 
absolutely nothing wrong with the rack and 
pinion. It was a foreign object rolling around. 
They charged one hour labor, and that was that! I 
was relieved, yet extremely pissed at the 
dealership. Haven't decided what I want to do 
about it.

Like · Reply · 1 hr
Loren Faeth

Congrats!  I'm glad you did not spend the $3k at 
the (ST)  (D)ealership!  At least call the MBUSA 
customer Service number and let them know!  Might 
not hurt to call the local general manager at the 
(ST)  (D)ealership!

Choose File

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Re: [MBZ] Car Jump Start Packs

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

This is timely

I'm sitting at my tire guy's place while their boost charger gives the diesel 
some juice. If you recall, I ran it down last night but charged it back up 
after 45 minutes and it lit right off. Same thing this morning - lit right off 
after a short glow.

Tire guys brought out one of those jumper packs and it did nothing. I wasn't 
surprised.

I'm going to charge the crap out of it when I get home and probably swap out 
the battery for the MB battery that was in the S500 coupe. It's been on a 
maintenance charger for a couple of months just waiting to be used.

Dan

> On Feb 21, 2016, at 1:06 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Save your money.  I've never seen  one with enough guts to start a Diesel.   
> It is better to carry a set of 4 ga to 0 ga jumper cables. Or, at lease 6 ga. 
>  those will work to charge the battery enough to start the engine if you give 
> them 5-10 min of charging, but they will get hot.
> 
> 
>> If I decided I wanted to have a jump start pack, how burly does it need to
>> be to be able to, say, start the OM606 from dead battery status?
>> 
>> Bob R
> 
> First time I ever saw one, I was working for the Univ out at the old research 
> reactor site, driving the 240D.  15-20 below, the car would not start.  The 
> univ jump start guys walk out with this jump pack thing and clip it on.  It 
> was exactly like nothing was there.
> 
> I politely suggested if they have real jumper cables, that they should try 
> that.  They did, and it started right up.
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[MBZ] New MB Diesel family

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

This bodes well for the availability of Dissel engines as time goes 
by.  Article and link borrowed from MBCA Hawaii section.  I found 
particularly interesting the the OM651 Diesel is the "most produced" 
engine in MB History.  They are claiming 60 MPG, so after 30 some 
years we finally have an engine that outperforms the fuel economy of 
the VW and escort diesels of the early 80s.


This engine in a van would be very interesting to me.

Curly   (Diesel luddite)

Mercedes-Benz continues to drip feed details of its upcoming E-Class 
ahead of the vehicle's launch in the Northern Hemisphere spring. 
Having already revealed some of the car's semi-autonomous features 
and interior design, Mercedes has announced it will premiere a new 
four-cylinder diesel engine in the new E-Class E 220 d, marking the 
launch of a family of all-aluminum four cylinder engines that will 
proliferate throughout Mercedes' lineup of cars and vans in various 
outputs and in both longitudinal and transverse configurations.


 The compact dimensions of the new engine allows more flexibility in 
adaptation to various uses and ... An offset crankshaft is integral 
to the higher efficiency and lower vibration in the E-Class engine 
The all-aluminum architecture of the E 220 d engine lightens weight 
considerably The dual cams are closely mated to compact the engine as 
much as possible
Mercedes believes that internal combustion engines have a future 
alongside hybrid and electric powertrains in the move towards more 
sustainable mobility, and that cleaner, more economical diesel 
engines are a key part of this vision. To this end, the new OM 654 
engine that will premiere as the E 220 d in the new E-Class delivers 
NEDC combined consumption of just 3.9 l/100km (60 mpg) and CO2 
emissions of 102 g/km,, which is a cut of around 13 percent compared 
to its predecessor, the OM 651. This is managed while boosting power 
output to 143 kW (192 hp) from 125 kW (168 hp).


This is significant as the outgoing OM 651 is the most-produced 
engine in Mercedes-Benz' history. The new engine will therefore find 
a new home in all of the vehicles in which the OM 651 currently 
resides, including the A-Class, S-Class, and V-Class vehicle models 
as well as the high-selling Sprinter van.


The E 220 d also displaces 47.5 fewer cubic centimeters per cylinder 
than its predecessor, has a smaller bore and shorter stroke, and 
produces more horsepower (195 hp vs 170 hp) with the same torque (400 
Nm, 295 lb-ft). The new engine's compression ratio is slightly lower 
(1:15.5 vs 1:16.2) and it is lighter (168 kg vs 199 kg/370 lb vs 439 
lb), all while meeting Euro 6 emissions standards.


The objective, Mercedes-Benz says, was to design an engine that is 
both superior in efficiency and that could give wide variance without 
heavy modification. The compact dimensions of the new engine allows 
more flexibility in adaptation to various uses and its design has 
exhaust after-treatment integrated into the engine itself rather than 
separate on the chassis, making the design more flexible.


This will be the first all-aluminum four-cylinder diesel engine from 
Mercedes-Benz and the company says it has lower noise levels and 
better NVH (noise-vibration-harshness) than its predecessor. 
Efficiencies were further added thanks to the next-generation in 
common rail injection (pressures up to 2050 bar) and a 25 percent 
reduction in internal friction loss, largely due to Nanoslide coating 
of the cylinders and an offset crank assembly. The difference in heat 
expansion between the steel pistons and aluminum crankcase was used 
to reduce friction in the engine.


The final gain with the new engine lies in its reduced complexity in 
manufacture and variance. With a modular, compact design, the engines 
can be easily configured to meet any of the over 1,000 country- and 
region-specific technical and emissions requirements without 
reengineering the entire engine or major components of it.


Mercedes-Benz will begin producing the new engine in the second 
quarter of 2016 and it will begin appearing in vehicles later in the 
year as its predecessor is phased out.


Source: Mercedes-Benz

http://www.gizmag.com/mercedes-benz-e-class-diesel-engine/41915/

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Re: [MBZ] Psychotic POS

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

Seems like it would be worthwhile to carry two keys. I do that on the Mercedes 
but I wonder about my "car which name shall not be spoken". Occasionally I have 
to wait until the cellphone hooks up to the radio before the key unlocks the 
door. With two keys I wonder if there would be too much interference with both 
trying to unlock the door at the same time?
Gerry

> > As for the 'roll down a window first and you'll be safe' comments, I'm 
> > pretty
> > sure a car that can lock its own doors can close its own windows.
> 
> An SDL, for example, cannot.  Only the switch(es) run the windows,
> there is no computer involved.  The door locks don't involve a computer,
> but the voting circuit in the vacuum/pressure pump could spuriously
> decide (or maybe it's flakey switch inputs?) that it was time for
> everybody to be in the opposite state.  If the pump runs, all locks
> will go into the state that is appropriate for whether it was pulling
> vacuum or pushing air.
> 
> -- Jim
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Manic Martha'ing

[clay via Mercedes]

The small penis feel is from the stripping hardware and handles to make it 
extra clean.   Clay and polish are annual events for my cars.  Wax as needed 
and full Martha (Kmart edition) done for the annual show and shine.

Battery for the SD should be the normal Group 49 recessed posts.  Same thing in 
my SDL, the SE, and the E300D.  Gump had one, and I have it in the SL.  Does 
your W220 use a group 49?  I have not bothered to look in mine lately.  I think 
it was group 49, as I had to use it a few times to jump the kid's SE with my 
old battery in his trunk.

clay


On Feb 20, 2016, at 6:13 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

> Understand that this is not a regular thing, that I only do it upon first 
> acquiring a car, then maybe once a year.  Otherwise, regular washes and at 
> least quarterly clay barring and waxing is the regular process.
> 
> It really gives you a very close up and detailed look at the car, and once 
> done, makes a nice benchmark to work off of.
> 
> If it’s any consolation, I went to move it around and get the garage closed 
> up, and I ran the battery down because I had the trunk and doors open almost 
> all day.
> 
> Duh!
> 
> It’s siting on the charger for an hour or two so I can get it started.  
> Probably didn’t help that I double glowed, too, just for fun.
> 
> I have a nice MB battery out of the former S500 coupe.  I’m wondering if it 
> would fit, as the battery that’s in it is some crappy FLAPS battery.  I 
> measured the tops and the MB battery looks to be about 1/2” longer than 
> what’s in there.  I’ll look more closely tomorrow, maybe the MB battery is 
> shorter on the bottom….
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
>> On Feb 20, 2016, at 8:03 PM, clay via Mercedes  wrote:
>> 
>> Now I feel so inadequate.  You really do strip it down to clean in all the 
>> crannies and nooks.  Guess that reduces surprises down the road.   That 
>> level of detail is paint prep for full respray to my tiny mind.  My hat is 
>> off to you.
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 20, 2016, at 8:24 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> 
>>> The process has commenced.  I’ll eventually put this stuff up somewhere 
>>> with captioning, but for the time being I’ve uploaded what’s been done so 
>>> far into a Dropbox folder:
>>> 
>>> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/8d2qr4pm05gyw6h/AABYozD_OT_Ith7NY8e_B8cpa?dl=0 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Just about finished with the stripping/removal.  Polishing begins shortly.
>>> 
>>> Dan/Martha
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Re: [MBZ] Car Jump Start Packs

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

Autozone brought one out and started my '83 300D during the summer. I don't 
know if it was one they sell or not. It was pretty small and I had my doubts it 
would start it, but it did very quickly.
I had gone down to buy a battery late in the evening but they wouldn't install 
one since it was drizzling rain.
Gerry

On Sun, 21 Feb 2016 12:06:41 -0600
Curly McLain via Mercedes  wrote:

> Save your money.  I've never seen  one with enough guts to start a 
> Diesel.   It is better to carry a set of 4 ga to 0 ga jumper cables. 
> Or, at lease 6 ga.  those will work to charge the battery enough to 
> start the engine if you give them 5-10 min of charging, but they will 
> get hot.
> 
> 
> >If I decided I wanted to have a jump start pack, how burly does it need to
> >be to be able to, say, start the OM606 from dead battery status?
> >
> >Bob R
> 
> First time I ever saw one, I was working for the Univ out at the old 
> research reactor site, driving the 240D.  15-20 below, the car would 
> not start.  The univ jump start guys walk out with this jump pack 
> thing and clip it on.  It was exactly like nothing was there.
> 
> I politely suggested if they have real jumper cables, that they 
> should try that.  They did, and it started right up.
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Re: [MBZ] Restoring headlight lenses....

[clay via Mercedes]

Yep, that is my next move.

Car has not left the garage while I have been working on the windows.  Road 
testing visibility will tell me how quickly I use the PlastX.  Thank you for 
your insight and wisdom

clay

On Feb 20, 2016, at 6:48 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

> This is the stuff I have:
> 
> http://www.meguiars.com/en/automotive/products/g12310-plastx-clear-plastic-cleaner-polish/
>  
> 
> 
> It did a great job on the SL500’s convertible top windows, but when I tried 
> polishing the wife’s former Mazda 6 headlights it didn’t seem to make a lot 
> of difference.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 20, 2016, at 7:57 PM, clay via Mercedes  wrote:
>> 
>> I found two Maguires products.  A clear plastic polish FLAPS was clearancing 
>> for $1 and Plastx.  Gave the cheaper product a try with the micro fiber 
>> pads.  Hard to tell if it did a spectacular job.   Much of the window is 
>> clearish, but there are two bands where the folds live.  Looks a bit 
>> oxidized and foggy.  In a few days I may hit it with the other stuff
>> 
>> clay
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Re: [MBZ] Psychotic POS

[clay via Mercedes]

The W220 has a ventilate option that you activate from the  FOB.  It opens the 
windows and the sunroof all at once.  It does the reverse as well.  I am not 
given to trusting that the computer will not fart and make this happen at a 
most inappropriate time.

caly



On Feb 21, 2016, at 7:41 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:

>> As for the 'roll down a window first and you'll be safe' comments, I'm pretty
>> sure a car that can lock its own doors can close its own windows.
> 
> An SDL, for example, cannot.  Only the switch(es) run the windows,
> there is no computer involved.  The door locks don't involve a computer,
> but the voting circuit in the vacuum/pressure pump could spuriously
> decide (or maybe it's flakey switch inputs?) that it was time for
> everybody to be in the opposite state.  If the pump runs, all locks
> will go into the state that is appropriate for whether it was pulling
> vacuum or pushing air.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Car Jump Start Packs

[clay via Mercedes]

I am not sure you can find a nice portable one able to crank the way a diesel 
needs.  Battery charger jump start settings begin at 50amps.  I think a diesel 
needs a few hundred amps at least.  Your battery has 750-950 CCA, if not 1100 
amps.  Dead group 49 needs a few hours of charge (unless you are Poos) to come 
back so it can glow and spin the starter

clay



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> If I decided I wanted to have a jump start pack, how burly does it need to
> be to be able to, say, start the OM606 from dead battery status?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Car Jump Start Packs

[clay via Mercedes]

There are the roll away charge/starters that have massive deep cycle batteries. 
 I had a feller at the body shop drag a pair over to get the E300D to spin up.  

those did work

clay



On Feb 21, 2016, at 10:37 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

> This is timely
> 
> I'm sitting at my tire guy's place while their boost charger gives the diesel 
> some juice. If you recall, I ran it down last night but charged it back up 
> after 45 minutes and it lit right off. Same thing this morning - lit right 
> off after a short glow.
> 
> Tire guys brought out one of those jumper packs and it did nothing. I wasn't 
> surprised.
> 
> I'm going to charge the crap out of it when I get home and probably swap out 
> the battery for the MB battery that was in the S500 coupe. It's been on a 
> maintenance charger for a couple of months just waiting to be used.
> 
> Dan
> 
>> On Feb 21, 2016, at 1:06 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Save your money.  I've never seen  one with enough guts to start a Diesel.   
>> It is better to carry a set of 4 ga to 0 ga jumper cables. Or, at lease 6 
>> ga.  those will work to charge the battery enough to start the engine if you 
>> give them 5-10 min of charging, but they will get hot.
>> 
>> 
>>> If I decided I wanted to have a jump start pack, how burly does it need to
>>> be to be able to, say, start the OM606 from dead battery status?
>>> 
>>> Bob R
>> 
>> First time I ever saw one, I was working for the Univ out at the old 
>> research reactor site, driving the 240D.  15-20 below, the car would not 
>> start.  The univ jump start guys walk out with this jump pack thing and clip 
>> it on.  It was exactly like nothing was there.
>> 
>> I politely suggested if they have real jumper cables, that they should try 
>> that.  They did, and it started right up.
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Re: [MBZ] Car Jump Start Packs

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

You have to spend some money.  We have a few at work and I used one to
start my 85 300CD after the power antenna killed the battery conpletely, in
winter temps, are after not running For two weeks.  It started, slow, but
it worked.

I don't recall the brand, but they're big, heavy, and were somewhat
expensive.

Jaime


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> If I decided I wanted to have a jump start pack, how burly does it need to
> be to be able to, say, start the OM606 from dead battery status?
>
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Re: [MBZ] Manic Martha'ing

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Dan sez:

>Meguire’s M105 Mirror Glaze Ultra-Cut Compound has been applied and polished 
>off the whole car.  Ugh.

>Next step is to polish with 3M 06068 Perfect-It Ultrafine Machine Polish.


I'm surprised the Meguiar's and 3M didn't battle it out
right there on the hood. :)

Rick
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[MBZ] Today's Fun

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Got tires on the car.  Couldn’t start it after they were done.  Had to put 
their roll around charger on it for 15 minutes and it cranked right up.

Brought it home and started in on the AC, which was in need as it was low.  It 
did build up pressure but not enough to get the low pressure switch to close.  
I evacuated the system and pulled a vacuum - 30" instantly.  I left the pump on 
it for about 45 minutes, then closed off the valves and turned off the pump a 
couple hours later it was still holding a vacuum.

So I charge it. Dump a couple of cans into it, getting about 45-50 degrees in 
the center vent at 1500-2000 rpm. Good.

Go to pull the service gauges off and the low pressure Schrader valve sticks 
open. Dang it!  I get the service valves back on it, but it lost enough that 
it’s not cooling.  I operate the service valves a couple of times and now it 
seems to hold.

I ordered a set of valve cores and new caps for delivery tomorrow.  Thank you, 
Amazon!

Still not sure about this battery issue.  Getting about 13.8 VDC at the battery 
terminals at idle, which seems a little low.  I’m charging the MB battery up to 
see how it works out.  Just as a precaution I tossed my jumper cables into the 
trunk. I’ll back into my spot at work tomorrow, too, just in case.

Now I think I’ll dig into the cruise control after I put a new G. Daimler 
sticker on the windshield.  The original was totally cooked and shrunk about 
10%.  Will probably do some interior cleaning, too - I haven’t yet pulled the 
back seat to see what kind of surprises there might be there….

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Manic Martha'ing

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

Is Meguire that kinda creepy guy who had that car show on TV a few years 
back?


--R

On 2/21/16 4:08 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:

Dan sez:


Meguire’s M105 Mirror Glaze Ultra-Cut Compound has been applied and polished 
off the whole car.  Ugh.
Next step is to polish with 3M 06068 Perfect-It Ultrafine Machine Polish.


I'm surprised the Meguiar's and 3M didn't battle it out
right there on the hood. :)

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Car Jump Start Packs

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I bought one on Amazon that will that is about the size of a vhs tape. I will 
send the link when I get back home tomorrow 

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> 
> If I decided I wanted to have a jump start pack, how burly does it need to
> be to be able to, say, start the OM606 from dead battery status?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Today's Fun

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Dan wrote:
> 
> Still not sure about this battery issue.  Getting about
> 13.8 VDC at the battery terminals at idle, which seems a
> little low.

It is low.  But when the alternator is spinning slow, it's
output voltage can be low if the load is high.

Far more significant is with the engine spinning faster, does
the voltage ever get to 14.4 V?

> Just as a precaution I tossed my jumper cables into the
> trunk.

Really?   Does that mean you usually do _not_ have jumper
cables in the car?

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Re: [MBZ] Car Jump Start Packs

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Huge, as big as the battery in the car or nearly so anyway.

Lithium ion would get you there in a much smaller package but would be 
expensive.


Curt

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From:"Bob Rentfro via Mercedes" 
Date:Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 9:55 AM
Subject:[MBZ] Car Jump Start Packs

If I decided I wanted to have a jump start pack, how burly does it need to
be to be able to, say, start the OM606 from dead battery status?

Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] Car Jump Start Packs

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

There are the roll away charge/starters that 
have massive deep cycle batteries.  I had a 
feller at the body shop drag a pair over to get 
the E300D to spin up. 


those did work

clay



Jump pack for Diesels:

4D battery
a cart
2 ea 6' long 0 ga battery cables for the 4D
2 ea heavy duty jumper cable clamps that will bolt to the battery cables.
one 1x2 or plasic pipe a couple feet long to 
clamp the jumper clamps to when not in use.  (so 
that the jumper clamps won't touch each other or 
the cart.


When yer dissel won't start, wheel'er out and 
hook 'er up.  Give it a minute or so, then try 
the starter.


BTW, this is what they use at the auction to 
start rows and rows of gassers and the occasional 
Dissel.




If you have 'lectrik, you can buy one of the 
charger/booster units on wheels.O'Really has 
one on sale for under $100.



Best thing to carry in the car is a professional 
grade set of jumper cables, 2 ga or 0 ga.  As an 
additional assurance, you can carry a spare 
battery.  When I travelled below 0ºF, I would 
often carry a spare battery and jumper cables, 
and on some occasions, I'd jump it 24v with the 
two batteries in series.  Jumper cables, always, 
but the spare battery when it was bitterly cold.


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Re: [MBZ] Car Jump Start Packs

[clay via Mercedes]

Guys at the vehicle auction by me have three deep cycles in series strapped to 
the front of the ATV with 0 gauge wires for jumping purpose.  Also have burly 
rubber bull bar set up for pushing dead cars off the stage

clay

On Feb 21, 2016, at 3:44 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:

>> There are the roll away charge/starters that have massive deep cycle 
>> batteries.  I had a feller at the body shop drag a pair over to get the 
>> E300D to spin up. 
>> those did work
>> 
>> clay
> 
> 
> Jump pack for Diesels:
> 
> 4D battery
> a cart
> 2 ea 6' long 0 ga battery cables for the 4D
> 2 ea heavy duty jumper cable clamps that will bolt to the battery cables.
> one 1x2 or plasic pipe a couple feet long to clamp the jumper clamps to when 
> not in use.  (so that the jumper clamps won't touch each other or the cart.
> 
> When yer dissel won't start, wheel'er out and hook 'er up.  Give it a minute 
> or so, then try the starter.
> 
> BTW, this is what they use at the auction to start rows and rows of gassers 
> and the occasional Dissel.
> 
> 
> 
> If you have 'lectrik, you can buy one of the charger/booster units on wheels. 
>O'Really has one on sale for under $100.
> 
> 
> Best thing to carry in the car is a professional grade set of jumper cables, 
> 2 ga or 0 ga.  As an additional assurance, you can carry a spare battery.  
> When I travelled below 0ºF, I would often carry a spare battery and jumper 
> cables, and on some occasions, I'd jump it 24v with the two batteries in 
> series.  Jumper cables, always, but the spare battery when it was bitterly 
> cold.
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[MBZ] Headlight lens restoration kit

[fmiser via Mercedes]

Looks like Harbor Freight has a kit at clearance/overstock
pricing.



Is it a good kit?  Or a good price?  I don't know - and
honestly don't care since I don't have any use for it.  But
because of the recent thread on the topic, I figured I would
let you folks know about it.

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Re: [MBZ] Car Jump Start Packs

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

18V or 36V?
Mitch. (18V might work, but 36V would surely toast something)

> On February 21, 2016 at 7:18 PM clay via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Guys at the vehicle auction by me have three deep cycles in series strapped to
> the front of the ATV with 0 gauge wires for jumping purpose. 

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Re: [MBZ] Car Jump Start Packs

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I'm telling you the one I got that is about the size of  video tape and will 
fit in your pocket will jump start a diesel

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On Feb 21, 2016, at 6:44 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes  
wrote:

>> There are the roll away charge/starters that have massive deep cycle 
>> batteries.  I had a feller at the body shop drag a pair over to get the 
>> E300D to spin up. 
>> those did work
>> 
>> clay
> 
> 
> Jump pack for Diesels:
> 
> 4D battery
> a cart
> 2 ea 6' long 0 ga battery cables for the 4D
> 2 ea heavy duty jumper cable clamps that will bolt to the battery cables.
> one 1x2 or plasic pipe a couple feet long to clamp the jumper clamps to when 
> not in use.  (so that the jumper clamps won't touch each other or the cart.
> 
> When yer dissel won't start, wheel'er out and hook 'er up.  Give it a minute 
> or so, then try the starter.
> 
> BTW, this is what they use at the auction to start rows and rows of gassers 
> and the occasional Dissel.
> 
> 
> 
> If you have 'lectrik, you can buy one of the charger/booster units on wheels. 
>O'Really has one on sale for under $100.
> 
> 
> Best thing to carry in the car is a professional grade set of jumper cables, 
> 2 ga or 0 ga.  As an additional assurance, you can carry a spare battery.  
> When I travelled below 0ºF, I would often carry a spare battery and jumper 
> cables, and on some occasions, I'd jump it 24v with the two batteries in 
> series.  Jumper cables, always, but the spare battery when it was bitterly 
> cold.
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Re: [MBZ] Car Jump Start Packs

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

It wasn't real dead then...


Curt

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From:"archer75--- via Mercedes" 
Date:Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 12:32 PM
Subject:Re: [MBZ] Car Jump Start Packs

Autozone brought one out and started my '83 300D during the summer. I don't 
know if it was one they sell or not. It was pretty small and I had my doubts it 
would start it, but it did very quickly.
I had gone down to buy a battery late in the evening but they wouldn't install 
one since it was drizzling rain.
Gerry

On Sun, 21 Feb 2016 12:06:41 -0600
Curly McLain via Mercedes  wrote:

> Save your money.  I've never seen  one with enough guts to start a 
> Diesel.  It is better to carry a set of 4 ga to 0 ga jumper cables. 
> Or, at lease 6 ga.  those will work to charge the battery enough to 
> start the engine if you give them 5-10 min of charging, but they will 
> get hot.
> 
> 
> >If I decided I wanted to have a jump start pack, how burly does it need to
> >be to be able to, say, start the OM606 from dead battery status?
> >
> >Bob R
> 
> First time I ever saw one, I was working for the Univ out at the old 
> research reactor site, driving the 240D.  15-20 below, the car would 
> not start.  The univ jump start guys walk out with this jump pack 
> thing and clip it on.  It was exactly like nothing was there.
> 
> I politely suggested if they have real jumper cables, that they 
> should try that.  They did, and it started right up.
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Re: [MBZ] Car Jump Start Packs

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I had the battery on a charger for a good 3-4 hours after I got the car home.  
I got in it about 8:00, turned the key, and it glowed and fired right up.

Took the car for a 5 mile drive around the neighborhood loop to test the new 
cruise amp (it worked!) and then parked it in the garage.  I’m leaving it on 
the charger overnight just to be sure.  I’ll back into my space and take the 
charger with me as well as a backup.  I park in a garage that is really tight, 
so if the car doesn’t start jumping it might not be an option.

Haven’t put the MB battery in, as when I attempted to use it to jump the car, 
it did nothing.  I’ve had it on a battery tender for some time, so I’m not sure 
what level of charge I should expect it to have.

I’m going to charge it tomorrow for an extended period of time and see if it 
comes up OK. Strange that the original battery would puke after working just 
fine.

Dan


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> 
> It wasn't real dead then...
> 
> 
> Curt
> 
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[MBZ] Fwd: New Radio for my MB (no swimming fish)

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Radio arrived yesterday, I installed it this evening.

Observations:

(1) The radio is short, as in not deep.  Probably only about 4 inches
deep.  I like this, as it leaves plenty of room behind the radio for all
the wires and adapters and such.

(2) An external mic is included in the box, but the mic built into the
front seems to work just fine.  Made a phone call from the car sitting in
the drive, engine off, and the recipient, my lovely assistant aka SWMBO,
thought I sounded just fine.  I'll try another call tomorrow while driving
and see how that works.  The external mic has a nice long wire, so it can
probably be fished through the dash and up the A-pillar to a location near
the driver's head.

(3) Bluetooth pairing with my HTC One (android) was a snap, and in no time
at all I was streaming a podcast over the radio speakers.

(4) The radio function is simple and intuitive, the design clean; exactly
what I wanted.

(5) No provision (that I can figure out) for speaker balance or fader
control.  The menu system is a bit clunky, but after about 30 minutes of
studying the manual and playing with the radio, I cannot find any way to
affect balance or fader.  Fortunately I do have a working fader switch in
the center console, so I guess I'll have to wire that back in.  Maybe truck
drivers don't need no stinkin' fader or balance?
-
Max
Charleston SC

-- Forwarded message --
From: Meade Dillon 
Date: Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 5:54 PM
Subject: New Radio for my MB (no swimming fish)
To: Mercedes 


I ordered one of these today:

http://www.continental-automotive.com/www/automotive_de_en/themes/commercial_vehicles/ch_interior_en/audio_products/fm_am_radio_bluetooth_en.html

Looks like a nice "modern" replacement for our beloved Beckers, but at a
far more reasonable price and with bluetooth, front USB input, front AUX
input.

I love the fact that the design is simple and similar to the Beckers (matte
black finish, yellow LCD display).  One button/knob to turn it on/off and
control the volume, six preset stations buttons.

KISS - it works for a reason!
-
Max
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] Car Jump Start Packs

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Kaleb wrote:
> 
> I'm telling you the one I got that is about the size of
> video tape and will fit in your pocket will jump start a
> diesel

Maybe a warm diesel with thin Mobil 1 oil and the car battery
is almost enough.

But not a cold OM617 when the air is below freezing and the
car battery provides only a "click-click-click".  

Power density just isn't there yet.  All the folks who think
electric cars are the only moral choice dream of such a
battery.  But not yet.

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Re: [MBZ] New MB Diesel family

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Thanks, sounds like good times, assuming we'll be able to get that engine in a 
wagon.
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Charleston SC
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'95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] Manic Martha'ing

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Yep. I thought I was the only one who thought that way.

On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 4:47 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Is Meguire that kinda creepy guy who had that car show on TV a few years
> back?
>
> --R
>
>
> On 2/21/16 4:08 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Dan sez:
>>
>> Meguire’s M105 Mirror Glaze Ultra-Cut Compound has been applied and
>>> polished off the whole car.  Ugh.
>>> Next step is to polish with 3M 06068 Perfect-It Ultrafine Machine Polish.
>>>
>>
>> I'm surprised the Meguiar's and 3M didn't battle it out
>> right there on the hood. :)
>>
>> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: New Radio for my MB (no swimming fish)

[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 9:17 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> (5) No provision (that I can figure out) for speaker balance or fader
> control.  The menu system is a bit clunky, but after about 30 minutes of
> studying the manual and playing with the radio, I cannot find any way to
> affect balance or fader.  Fortunately I do have a working fader switch in
> the center console, so I guess I'll have to wire that back in.  Maybe truck
> drivers don't need no stinkin' fader or balance?
>
> (has a look at the manual)

Fool with the SEL switch and the volume knob.  It's in there somewheres...
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: New Radio for my MB (no swimming fish)

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

I hope so.  Radio is darn near perfect, and I won't complain too much if no 
fade/balance option exists, but it would be nice.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On February 21, 2016 10:31:52 PM EST, "M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes" 
 wrote:
>On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 9:17 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
>mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> (5) No provision (that I can figure out) for speaker balance or fader
>> control.  The menu system is a bit clunky, but after about 30 minutes
>of
>> studying the manual and playing with the radio, I cannot find any way
>to
>> affect balance or fader.  Fortunately I do have a working fader
>switch in
>> the center console, so I guess I'll have to wire that back in.  Maybe
>truck
>> drivers don't need no stinkin' fader or balance?
>>
>> (has a look at the manual)
>
>Fool with the SEL switch and the volume knob.  It's in there
>somewheres...
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: New Radio for my MB (no swimming fish)

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Meade wrote:
> 
> Radio arrived yesterday, I installed it this evening.
> 
> (2) An external mic is included in the box, but the mic
> built into the front seems to work just fine.

> I'll try another call tomorrow while driving and see how
> that works.  The external mic has a nice long wire, so it
> can probably be fished through the dash and up the A-pillar
> to a location near the driver's head.

A mic will always do better if it's closer.  The more ambient
noise there is, the more valuable it is to have the mic close.

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Re: [MBZ] Car Jump Start Packs

[OK Don via Mercedes]

>
>
> Haven’t put the MB battery in, as when I attempted to use it to jump the
> car, it did nothing.  I’ve had it on a battery tender for some time, so I’m
> not sure what level of charge I should expect it to have.
>
>
When I bought the Cessna, the battery had been on an aircraft battery
minder, and was reported to be good. I got the minder with the deal. When I
finally got the aircraft ready to start, I checked the battery, and found
it dead. I have no idea how long it had been on the "battery minder", but
the plates had turned into fine flakes.

-- 
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learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
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2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
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