Re: [MBZ] Value of nice W111 bumper set: Jaime?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I still have a pair of NOS bumper overriders for a W111 coupe and a
complete front bumper for same car 9chrome is so-so but no dings).

On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 9:19 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I'm wondering if anyone can help me figure out a fair value for a nice
> complete front and rear bumper set with uppers from a Nevada desert 111.
>
> I'm not sure if anyone can help much unless Jaime knows or someone can
> find the price for new halves from EPC.
>
> The last time I checked, maybe 12-15 years ago one half of one bumper,
> without the uppers or bumper guard was over $1000.  If new parts are
> available, the parts would probably be $6000 to  $10,000 I'd guess.
>
> These are nice, good chrome, complete paint inside, but they have some
> small dents as typical for a car that was driven.  They are not perfect for
> a show car, but are very nice for a driver, or need little work to be
> restored/rechromed.
>
> Complete Front Bumper, with uppers and bumper guards and mounts.
>
> Complete Rear Bumper, with uppers and bumper guards, license lights, and
> mounts.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: BMW R100/7

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Yep, that is about what I found.  One was $3500 with what appears to be 
BMW bags (but could be samsonite) and a windshield. Black/ white 
pinstripes.  Others were $4k up.


Wish I had a way to pick it up and move it west a couple states.  I 
could fix it up this winter and split the increase with you when it 
sells.  It I could find a way to hitch a ride for it, I'd buy it if you 
didn't like choice A.



MG via Mercedes 
October 12, 2016 at 7:58 PM
That was about what I came out with. Though I have seen one that was 
down at $1400 though it was a bit more rusty in the frame then mine 
is. I'm not really interested in in doing the work and sourcing the 
parts, just want to get it gone whenever.


Manfred


Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 21:46:19 -0700
From: clay 


Maybe $4-6K depending upon condition and miles.  If you take are of 
the carb floats and brakes the sale will be much quicker. Otherwise, I 
am going to say $2k all day long for a base R100.


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Re: [MBZ] This is a more realistic price

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

Has it had the evap and wiring harness done? 

Donald H. Snook



> On Oct 12, 2016, at 8:01 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin  wrote:
> 
> Appears to be decent. Maybe I should buy it.
> 
> 1994 Mercedes Benz S350 Turbo Diesel
> http://kansascity.craigslist.org/cto/5823350521.html
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Thunderbird

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Ok, thanks for the warning...
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On October 12, 2016 9:44:15 PM EDT, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>455 was later, like 71 on -- my Dad had a Bonneville with the 455. It 
>made no power but was huge.   I had a 71 Monte Carlo with a 350 that
>was 
>a lot better than the 455.
>
>My buddy in HS had a '65 Skylark convertible, baby blue with white 
>interior, with a 445 Wildcat engine.  It was beyond fun.
>
>BTW Max your neighbor is going down tomorrow evening.  It's gonna be
>ugly.
>
>--R
>
>
>On 10/12/16 9:34 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
>> I think you're right Randy, a 429.  The Buick Electra coupe, another
>boat, had a 455.
>
>-- 
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Re: [MBZ] Nice, A Little Pricey

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

I took the head off a rod bender 140 that showed up at LKQ, the head gasket had 
failed at the oil gallery in front of the #1 cylinder.  I took the head home 
anyway.  Just about heat stroked out, working solo on a summers day...
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On October 12, 2016 9:03:03 PM EDT, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>Hey, Kaleb, what was leaking on your rodbender, oil or zerex?
>
>Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Thunderbird

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

455 was later, like 71 on -- my Dad had a Bonneville with the 455. It 
made no power but was huge.   I had a 71 Monte Carlo with a 350 that was 
a lot better than the 455.


My buddy in HS had a '65 Skylark convertible, baby blue with white 
interior, with a 445 Wildcat engine.  It was beyond fun.


BTW Max your neighbor is going down tomorrow evening.  It's gonna be ugly.

--R


On 10/12/16 9:34 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

I think you're right Randy, a 429.  The Buick Electra coupe, another boat, had 
a 455.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Thunderbird

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I tried it a few times but was more of a Night Train or Annie Green 
Springs kind of guy.  Never got into Boones Farm.


--FT


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Thunderbird

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

The hood seemed to be about half of the car.  Flooring the go pedal would lift 
the front and squat the rear end, very hard to see where you were going, but 
you got there fast.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On October 12, 2016 5:03:54 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>How long is that boat??
>
>On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 5:01 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
>mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> On 12/10/2016 3:55 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
>>
>>> As a kid, my mother drove a '72 T-Bird for many years.  It had a 427
>ci
>>> engine, what a gas hog!  I think the body was very similar to your
>>> brother's car in terms of size (HUGE), but not as angular.  Terrible
>in the
>>> Wisconsin winters without snow tires, but Mom drove about thirty
>miles each
>>> way to work so she preferred all-season tires.  That car got stuck a
>lot in
>>> the winter, I think we kept a chain and shovel in the trunk
>year-round.
>>> Very comfortable ride, fast for the time, stylish, I think it had
>over 150k
>>> miles when it was sold to the mailman.  He drove a rural mail
>delivery
>>> route and racked up many more miles in short order, I think the car
>only
>>> lasted a few more years on mail delivery duty.
>>>
>>
>> probably a 429 rather than a 427.
>>
>> RB
>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Thunderbird

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

I think you're right Randy, a 429.  The Buick Electra coupe, another boat, had 
a 455.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On October 12, 2016 5:01:56 PM EDT, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>On 12/10/2016 3:55 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
>> As a kid, my mother drove a '72 T-Bird for many years.  It had a 427
>ci engine, what a gas hog!  I think the body was very similar to your
>brother's car in terms of size (HUGE), but not as angular.  Terrible in
>the Wisconsin winters without snow tires, but Mom drove about thirty
>miles each way to work so she preferred all-season tires.  That car got
>stuck a lot in the winter, I think we kept a chain and shovel in the
>trunk year-round.  Very comfortable ride, fast for the time, stylish, I
>think it had over 150k miles when it was sold to the mailman.  He drove
>a rural mail delivery route and racked up many more miles in short
>order, I think the car only lasted a few more years on mail delivery
>duty.
>
>probably a 429 rather than a 427.
>
>RB
>
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Re: [MBZ] This is a more realistic price

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Trunk closer doesn't seem to be working. 
It's got the backup rods in the back fenders, I didn't think they still had
those in 1994.
Don't see an odometer, but the driver's seat says at least 200k to me. 
Mitch. 

> On October 12, 2016 at 9:01 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Appears to be decent. Maybe I should buyTrunk  it.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Bonehead

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

The body shop that restored my 82 300CD after the blizzard tree event, did
single stage & it looks great. No clear coat  needed.

Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD
1990 300D
Wickford RI

On Oct 11, 2016 1:11 PM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> I'm sure that's the case. A single stage requires a lot more finish work
> to make it nice, which is also a function of doing a good job to begin with.
>
> Dan
>
> > On Oct 11, 2016, at 1:05 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Isn't it because single stage is so much harder to do because with a
> base and clear, you don't have to do as good a job with the base.  The
> clear does all the work.  I'm not suggesting this is a good thing, but
> lower quality shops don't want to put the work into a single stage.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Kaleb C. Striplin [mailto:ka...@striplin.net]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 7:12 AM
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bonehead
> >
> > I have not heard that but then again I don't deal with body shops too
> often. I find it very hard to believe nobody does single stage anymore. You
> probably need to look for another body shop.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Oct 11, 2016, at 5:41 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Heh.  Not quite a Kleb car yet.  Just means I’ll have to find something
> nicer and hand this down to the youngest boy.
> >>
> >> Truth be told, with the exception of the rubbing into the paint on the
> edge of the taillight opening I’m betting I can Martha this right out of
> the finish, which is what I’ll do.  The body shop I talked to yesterday
> wants to do two stage paint for some weird reason - they were adamant that
> no one does single stage paint any more, which I find strange and slightly
> suspect.
> >>
> >> Anyone here heard such stories?
> >>
> >> Dan
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Oct 10, 2016, at 9:02 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Give you $500 for it. Seriously glad you had,an honest hitter.
> >>>
> >>> Dwight Giles Jr.
> >>> 1982 300CD
> >>> 1990 300D
> >>> Wickford RI
> >>>
> >>> On Oct 10, 2016 8:50 PM, "Max Dillon via Mercedes"
> >>> 
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
>  Ouch, that's no fun to deal with.  Poor car is ruined, guess you'll
>  have to sell now...
> 
> 
>  I call dibs!
>  --
>  Max Dillon
>  Charleston SC
>  '87 300TD
>  '95 E300
> 
>  On October 10, 2016 7:04:53 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > I park in a parking garage at my office.  The space I park in is
> > one of two that are sandwiched between two block walls.  There is
> > room for two vehicles to fit in the area without having to squeeze
> out of the door.
> > I normally park well to thIsn't it because single stage is so much
> harder to do because with a base and clear, you don't have to do as good a
> job with the base.  The clear does all the work.  I'm not suggesting this
> is a good thing, but lower quality shops don't want to put the work into a
> single stage.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Kaleb C. Striplin [mailto:ka...@striplin.net]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 7:12 AM
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bonehead
> >
> > I have not heard that but then again I don't deal with body shops too
> often. I find it very hard to believe nobody does single stage anymore. You
> probably need to look for another body shop.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Oct 11, 2016, at 5:41 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Heh.  Not quite a Kleb car yet.  Just means I’ll have to find something
> nicer and hand this down to the youngest boy.
> >>
> >> Truth be told, with the exception of the rubbing into the paint on the
> edge of the taillight opening I’m betting I can Martha this right out of
> the finish, which is what I’ll do.  The body shop I talked to yesterday
> wants to do two stage paint for some weird reason - they were adamant that
> no one does single stage paint any more, which I find strange and slightly
> suspect.
> >>
> >> Anyone here heard such stories?
> >>
> >> Dan
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Oct 10, 2016, at 9:02 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Give you $500 for it. Seriously glad you had,an honest hitter.
> >>>
> >>> Dwight Giles Jr.
> >>> 1982 300CD
> >>> 1990 300D
> >>> Wickford RI
> >>>
> >>> On Oct 10, 2016 8:50 PM, "Max Dillon via Mercedes"
> >>> 
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
>  Ouch, that's no fun to deal with.  Poor car is ruined, guess you'll
>  have to sell now...
> 
> 
>  I call dibs!
>  --
>  Max Dillon
>  Charleston SC
>  '87 300TD
>  '95 E300
> 
>  On October 10, 2016 7:04:53 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via 

[MBZ] Value of nice W111 bumper set: Jaime?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I'm wondering if anyone can help me figure out a fair value for a nice 
complete front and rear bumper set with uppers from a Nevada desert 111.


I'm not sure if anyone can help much unless Jaime knows or someone can 
find the price for new halves from EPC.


The last time I checked, maybe 12-15 years ago one half of one bumper, 
without the uppers or bumper guard was over $1000.  If new parts are 
available, the parts would probably be $6000 to  $10,000 I'd guess.


These are nice, good chrome, complete paint inside, but they have some 
small dents as typical for a car that was driven.  They are not perfect 
for a show car, but are very nice for a driver, or need little work to 
be restored/rechromed.


Complete Front Bumper, with uppers and bumper guards and mounts.

Complete Rear Bumper, with uppers and bumper guards, license lights, and 
mounts.


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[MBZ] carfax

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Was this one a factory buyback?
KL8CL6S00FC705529

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Re: [MBZ] Nice, A Little Pricey

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Hey, Kaleb, what was leaking on your rodbender, oil or zerex?

Mitch.

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[MBZ] This is a more realistic price

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Appears to be decent. Maybe I should buy it.

1994 Mercedes Benz S350 Turbo Diesel
http://kansascity.craigslist.org/cto/5823350521.html

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Re: [MBZ] Nice, A Little Pricey

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On October 12, 2016 at 7:09 PM Dan--- via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> But is that really all that is necessary?  Nothing beyond a head gasket and
> you're good?

I'm pretty sure nobody found any rods but number one and rarely number two bent,
and nobody claims to have found bent rods on a car with intact sealing on the
oil galley through the head gasket by cylinder one. The head might need to be
milled, the head bolts definitely need to be replaced when you take the head
off, but I'd be willing to regasket a 350 and drive it 100k to see what happens.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: BMW R100/7

[MG via Mercedes]

That was about what I came out with. Though I have seen one that 
was down at $1400 though it was a bit more rusty in the frame 
then mine is. I'm not really interested in in doing the work and 
sourcing the parts, just want to get it gone whenever.


Manfred


Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 21:46:19 -0700
From: clay 


Maybe $4-6K depending upon condition and miles.  If you take are 
of the carb floats and brakes the sale will be much quicker. 
Otherwise, I am going to say $2k all day long for a base R100.


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Re: [MBZ] Nice, A Little Pricey

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Indications are that the bent #1 rod comes from coolant leaking into the 
#1 cylinder when the head gasket fails.   No proof.  If I found a 
non-oel burning rodbender, I might try just changing the head gasket.  
If I did not have 2 good spare engines, I would change the head gasket 
for sure!  I'd guess 90-95% probability that would fix it so long as 
there is no prior damage.



Dan--- via Mercedes 
October 12, 2016 at 6:09 PM
But is that really all that is necessary? Nothing beyond a head gasket 
and you're good?


Dan

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[MBZ] Pahtz 107, 114/5 116, 123, 124, 126

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

http://desmoines.craigslist.org/pts/5820182738.html

His website:  www.zurlo.cc
Deutscher Master mechanic

all Fred's disclaimers...

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Re: [MBZ] Nice, A Little Pricey

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

But is that really all that is necessary?  Nothing beyond a head gasket and 
you're good?

Dan

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> On Oct 12, 2016, at 6:57 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
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> 
> If I bought a 45kmi rodbender, I'd trailer it home and replace the head 
> gasket.
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Re: [MBZ] Anyone in the Plano, TX (Dallas) area?

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Next week.

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> On Oct 12, 2016, at 7:07 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
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> I was last week
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Oct 12, 2016, at 5:55 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
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>> If you are, drop me a note off list, please.
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Re: [MBZ] 124 Diesel for sale

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

That's pretty cheap, car looks OK

--FT


On 10/12/16 12:31 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes wrote:

Looks like it needs the Martha treatment.  But, could be nice!  Mileage not 
listed.

Not mine, no affiliation, just browsing craigslist and found it

https://memphis.craigslist.org/cto/5824194595.html

Don Snook

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Re: [MBZ] Anyone in the Plano, TX (Dallas) area?

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I was last week

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Re: [MBZ] Nice, A Little Pricey

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I like that color combo

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On 10/12/16 4:54 PM, Daniel Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

http://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/5814382856.html

The quarter sized rust spot below the back window is troubling as is the low 
mileage.  I’m wondering if the rod bending issues have been addressed.

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Thunderbird

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On October 12, 2016 at 5:41 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I’m pretty sure it was the 350. 

351 Windsor?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Nice, A Little Pricey

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

If I bought a 45kmi rodbender, I'd trailer it home and replace the head gasket.

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[MBZ] Anyone in the Plano, TX (Dallas) area?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

If you are, drop me a note off list, please.

Dan

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Re: [MBZ] Nice, A Little Pricey

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

The seller claims in its been in the family since new.  If they have records 
showing a new head/engine/rods  etc, then that car is an absolute steal.   I 
agree with you, if it has never been addressed it is just a matter of time.  In 
fact, it makes more sense that it has not failed yet considering such low 
mileage.  Remember what Dr. Booth said, if the issue has not been addressed 
then they ALL fail without exception.  

I was at an Auction last year and a very nice super clean 90 300E (124) with 
only 60,000 miles sold for $9,000.  I thought it would go for $6000 or maybe 
$7,000 if there was a bidding war.  I can only imagine what a 126 Diesel with 
45,000 miles could do at a big auction.  A lot of low mileage cars are bought 
at these auctions by dealers who put them on ebay for insane prices.  If I had 
that car and the rodbender issue had been fixed, I wouldn't take less than 
$10,000 for it.  There are enough people out there who love MB diesels and love 
the 126 that I think it could go HIGH! 

Don Snook 

-Original Message-
From: Dan Penoff [mailto:d...@penoff.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 4:22 PM
To: Mercedes List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Nice, A Little Pricey

If the rod bending aspect of things hasn’t been addressed, it’s a time bomb 
waiting for a rebuild.

Dan


>> 
>> On Oct 12, 2016, at 5:17 PM, Donald Snook  wrote:
>> 
>> Pricey? With 45,000 miles?   That sounds like a steal.  Seriously.  Unless 
>> it has bent rods or they have never been addressed.  If the rodbender issue 
>> has been done, you should run over to pay for it!  
>> 
>> Looking at the condition, the mileage could be correct.  Sheesh if I had my 
>> BMW sold I would be paying you to go over and do an inspection on it.  
>> 
>> Don Snook 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Daniel Penoff [mailto:dpen...@me.com] 
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 3:55 PM
>> To: Mercedes List 
>> Subject: [MBZ] Nice, A Little Pricey
>> 
>> http://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/5814382856.html
>> 
>> The quarter sized rust spot below the back window is troubling as is the low 
>> mileage.  I’m wondering if the rod bending issues have been addressed.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Matthew

[WILTON via Mercedes]

In 1945, one of my older brothers and I rigged a gal. paint can with nail 
holes in its bottom on the roof of a farm shelter to serve as a shower.  We 
put a wash/laundry tub on top of the shelter and filled it with water each 
morning.  At the end of each day, we would pour the solar-heated water into 
the "shower head" for each other.  I'd bet we were the only farm, boys for 
miles around getting a daily shower.  I was already an innovator at only 11.


Wilt

- Original Message - 
From: "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" ; "Karl Wittnebel" 
; "mercedes@okiebenz com" 
Cc: "Curt Raymond" ; "Donald Snook" 


Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 5:11 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Matthew


We've got one of the shower bags at camp, works best if we bring water 
inside the night before. It's way easier to heat 60 degree water than 
40...


CurtOut refilling 1# propane cans for the propane heater.

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 On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Donald Snook via 
Mercedes wrote:   After Hurricane Andrew hit, I 
went down to the area with a team from Habitat for Humanity and some guys 
from my church. We camped out in a Church that had rebuilt a big all 
purpose building and the facilities were pretty primitive. We figured out 
the best way to shower was using this exact method. It was always a battle 
to try to be the first few people to shower at the end of the day after 
the sun had heated the water. It was good for about 3 very quick showers 
before the warm water ran out and the only choice was straight from the 
garden hose!


Don Snook

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From: Karl Wittnebel [mailto:atypical...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 7:12 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz com 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Matthew

Solar shower. Black bag, put on roof, fill with hose, wait. Cheap and 
cheerful.


On Oct 11, 2016 4:44 PM, "Jim Cathey via Mercedes" 
wrote:


Remember the show Green Acres? I can shower with just the little
genny if I turn off everything else while the tank heats up. But it's a 
pain.


-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Nice, A Little Pricey

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Otoh, without documentation the mileage could easily be wrong. How long
does it take to swap out a speedometer in those cars?

On Oct 12, 2016 5:22 PM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> If the rod bending aspect of things hasn’t been addressed, it’s a time
> bomb waiting for a rebuild.
>
> Dan
>
>
> >>
> >> On Oct 12, 2016, at 5:17 PM, Donald Snook  wrote:
> >>
> >> Pricey? With 45,000 miles?   That sounds like a steal.  Seriously.
> Unless it has bent rods or they have never been addressed.  If the
> rodbender issue has been done, you should run over to pay for it!
> >>
> >> Looking at the condition, the mileage could be correct.  Sheesh if I
> had my BMW sold I would be paying you to go over and do an inspection on it.
> >>
> >> Don Snook
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Daniel Penoff [mailto:dpen...@me.com]
> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 3:55 PM
> >> To: Mercedes List 
> >> Subject: [MBZ] Nice, A Little Pricey
> >>
> >> http://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/5814382856.html
> >>
> >> The quarter sized rust spot below the back window is troubling as is
> the low mileage.  I’m wondering if the rod bending issues have been
> addressed.
> >>
> >> Dan
> >>
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Thunderbird

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Apples vs Oranges - I think you are talking Chevy and he is talking Ford.

RB

On 12/10/2016 4:41 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

I’m pretty sure it was the 350.  I don’t recall, as that was some time ago.  I 
do remember that the snow tires from it worked great on my 59 VW barn door van, 
though.

Dan


On Oct 12, 2016, at 5:23 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes  
wrote:

72 was 216 inches long and weighed 4600 lbs.   The 77 was just barely shorter 
but about 500 pounds lighter.  I bet the engine in your Mom's car was a 429.

The T-Bird swelled in size up to 1976 where it was 226 long and 5100 pounds.  
So, the 77 was 10 inches shorter and almost 1000 pounds lighter.

Don



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Thunderbird

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I’m pretty sure it was the 350.  I don’t recall, as that was some time ago.  I 
do remember that the snow tires from it worked great on my 59 VW barn door van, 
though.

Dan

> On Oct 12, 2016, at 5:23 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 72 was 216 inches long and weighed 4600 lbs.   The 77 was just barely shorter 
> but about 500 pounds lighter.  I bet the engine in your Mom's car was a 429.  
> 
> The T-Bird swelled in size up to 1976 where it was 226 long and 5100 pounds.  
> So, the 77 was 10 inches shorter and almost 1000 pounds lighter. 
> 
> Don 
> 


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Thunderbird

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

72 was 216 inches long and weighed 4600 lbs.   The 77 was just barely shorter 
but about 500 pounds lighter.  I bet the engine in your Mom's car was a 429.  

The T-Bird swelled in size up to 1976 where it was 226 long and 5100 pounds.  
So, the 77 was 10 inches shorter and almost 1000 pounds lighter. 

Don 



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From: Max Dillon [mailto:dillonm...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 3:56 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Thunderbird

As a kid, my mother drove a '72 T-Bird for many years.  It had a 427 ci engine, 
what a gas hog!  I think the body was very similar to your brother's car in 
terms of size (HUGE), but not as angular.  Terrible in the Wisconsin winters 
without snow tires, but Mom drove about thirty miles each way to work so she 
preferred all-season tires.  That car got stuck a lot in the winter, I think we 
kept a chain and shovel in the trunk year-round.  Very comfortable ride, fast 
for the time, stylish, I think it had over 150k miles when it was sold to the 
mailman.  He drove a rural mail delivery route and racked up many more miles in 
short order, I think the car only lasted a few more years on mail delivery duty.
--
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On October 12, 2016 12:09:56 PM EDT, Donald Snook via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>If you are into non-mercedes collectable cars, my brother is selling 
>one of his.
>
>https://memphis.craigslist.org/cto/5824446509.html
>
>It's a cool car and the car has been a winner at multiple car shows he
>has taken it to.   I was with him when he bought the car.  It had
>19,000 miles and now it has 22,000 miles.  1977 was the first year for 
>the downsized Thunderbird.  I suppose "downsized" is relative because 
>this is still a big car!  It really looks like it has 10,000 miles on
>it.   Not everyone's taste, but still interesting.
>
>
>Donald H. Snook
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Re: [MBZ] Nice, A Little Pricey

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

If the rod bending aspect of things hasn’t been addressed, it’s a time bomb 
waiting for a rebuild.

Dan


>> 
>> On Oct 12, 2016, at 5:17 PM, Donald Snook  wrote:
>> 
>> Pricey? With 45,000 miles?   That sounds like a steal.  Seriously.  Unless 
>> it has bent rods or they have never been addressed.  If the rodbender issue 
>> has been done, you should run over to pay for it!  
>> 
>> Looking at the condition, the mileage could be correct.  Sheesh if I had my 
>> BMW sold I would be paying you to go over and do an inspection on it.  
>> 
>> Don Snook 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Daniel Penoff [mailto:dpen...@me.com] 
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 3:55 PM
>> To: Mercedes List 
>> Subject: [MBZ] Nice, A Little Pricey
>> 
>> http://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/5814382856.html
>> 
>> The quarter sized rust spot below the back window is troubling as is the low 
>> mileage.  I’m wondering if the rod bending issues have been addressed.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Nice, A Little Pricey

[Daniel Penoff via Mercedes]

Yeah, it looks pretty nice.  I may call the guy and see what I can find out.  
He’s in CT right now and the car is here.  He’s looking to set up a meet in a 
couple of weeks when he’s here.

Dan


> On Oct 12, 2016, at 5:17 PM, Donald Snook  wrote:
> 
> Pricey? With 45,000 miles?   That sounds like a steal.  Seriously.  Unless it 
> has bent rods or they have never been addressed.  If the rodbender issue has 
> been done, you should run over to pay for it!  
> 
> Looking at the condition, the mileage could be correct.  Sheesh if I had my 
> BMW sold I would be paying you to go over and do an inspection on it.  
> 
> Don Snook 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Daniel Penoff [mailto:dpen...@me.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 3:55 PM
> To: Mercedes List 
> Subject: [MBZ] Nice, A Little Pricey
> 
> http://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/5814382856.html
> 
> The quarter sized rust spot below the back window is troubling as is the low 
> mileage.  I’m wondering if the rod bending issues have been addressed.
> 
> Dan
> 


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Re: [MBZ] Nice, A Little Pricey

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

Pricey? With 45,000 miles?   That sounds like a steal.  Seriously.  Unless it 
has bent rods or they have never been addressed.  If the rodbender issue has 
been done, you should run over to pay for it!  

Looking at the condition, the mileage could be correct.  Sheesh if I had my BMW 
sold I would be paying you to go over and do an inspection on it.  

Don Snook 

-Original Message-
From: Daniel Penoff [mailto:dpen...@me.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 3:55 PM
To: Mercedes List 
Subject: [MBZ] Nice, A Little Pricey

http://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/5814382856.html

The quarter sized rust spot below the back window is troubling as is the low 
mileage.  I’m wondering if the rod bending issues have been addressed.

Dan

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Re: [MBZ] Matthew

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

We've got one of the shower bags at camp, works best if we bring water inside 
the night before. It's way easier to heat 60 degree water than 40...

CurtOut refilling 1# propane cans for the propane heater.

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Donald Snook via 
Mercedes wrote:   After Hurricane Andrew hit, I went 
down to the area with a team from Habitat for Humanity and some guys from my 
church.  We camped out in a Church that had rebuilt a big all purpose building 
and the facilities were pretty primitive.  We figured out the best way to 
shower was using this exact method.  It was always a battle to try to be the 
first few people to shower at the end of the day after the sun had heated the 
water. It was good for about 3 very quick showers before the warm water ran out 
and the only choice was straight from the garden hose! 

Don Snook 

-Original Message-
From: Karl Wittnebel [mailto:atypical...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 7:12 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz com 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Matthew

Solar shower. Black bag, put on roof, fill with hose, wait. Cheap and cheerful.

On Oct 11, 2016 4:44 PM, "Jim Cathey via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Remember the show Green Acres?  I can shower with just the little 
> genny if I turn off everything else while the tank heats up.  But it's a pain.
>
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Thunderbird

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

My Mom inherited a 1973 Chevy Impala Sport Coupe that had a 350 in it.  That 
thing was like driving a giant marshmallow.  You would hit a bump and the 
suspension would finally settle a couple miles down the road.  No feel for the 
driver, I recall using the term “wallow” when describing it to my Dad.

That being said, it was a fun car to drive compared to a Beetle.  I remember 
the nice brocade cloth upholstery and the front bench seat.

Land yacht.

Dan

> On Oct 12, 2016, at 4:55 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> As a kid, my mother drove a '72 T-Bird for many years.  It had a 427 ci 
> engine, what a gas hog!  I think the body was very similar to your brother's 
> car in terms of size (HUGE), but not as angular.  Terrible in the Wisconsin 
> winters without snow tires, but Mom drove about thirty miles each way to work 
> so she preferred all-season tires.  That car got stuck a lot in the winter, I 
> think we kept a chain and shovel in the trunk year-round.  Very comfortable 
> ride, fast for the time, stylish, I think it had over 150k miles when it was 
> sold to the mailman.  He drove a rural mail delivery route and racked up many 
> more miles in short order, I think the car only lasted a few more years on 
> mail delivery duty.
> -- 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Thunderbird

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

How long is that boat??

On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 5:01 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> On 12/10/2016 3:55 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> As a kid, my mother drove a '72 T-Bird for many years.  It had a 427 ci
>> engine, what a gas hog!  I think the body was very similar to your
>> brother's car in terms of size (HUGE), but not as angular.  Terrible in the
>> Wisconsin winters without snow tires, but Mom drove about thirty miles each
>> way to work so she preferred all-season tires.  That car got stuck a lot in
>> the winter, I think we kept a chain and shovel in the trunk year-round.
>> Very comfortable ride, fast for the time, stylish, I think it had over 150k
>> miles when it was sold to the mailman.  He drove a rural mail delivery
>> route and racked up many more miles in short order, I think the car only
>> lasted a few more years on mail delivery duty.
>>
>
> probably a 429 rather than a 427.
>
> RB
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Thunderbird

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 12/10/2016 3:55 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

As a kid, my mother drove a '72 T-Bird for many years.  It had a 427 ci engine, 
what a gas hog!  I think the body was very similar to your brother's car in 
terms of size (HUGE), but not as angular.  Terrible in the Wisconsin winters 
without snow tires, but Mom drove about thirty miles each way to work so she 
preferred all-season tires.  That car got stuck a lot in the winter, I think we 
kept a chain and shovel in the trunk year-round.  Very comfortable ride, fast 
for the time, stylish, I think it had over 150k miles when it was sold to the 
mailman.  He drove a rural mail delivery route and racked up many more miles in 
short order, I think the car only lasted a few more years on mail delivery duty.


probably a 429 rather than a 427.

RB


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Re: [MBZ] Rusty Paste

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

The lube must not be applied directly on the s/r glide rails but exactly
where/how I forget.

On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 12:54 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Clay sez:
>
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Re: [MBZ] 1975 280C on BAT

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I may have been too bullish. Other than its age the 280C design is anything
but classic.

On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 3:54 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> People don’t seem to have the love for the coupes the they do for the
> sedans.  I’m betting this goes for around $5000.
>
> Dan
>
> > On Oct 11, 2016, at 2:33 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Finished in a less than attractive beige exterior with an almost matching
> > beige interior.  Currently offered at $1100.  What's to love?
> >
> > Yet...  this should be worth MORE than a 1970 280S sedan, which is just 5
> > years older and less collectible (in theory, at least) because it's a
> sedan
> > and not a coupe.
> >
> > I expect the hammer price to be $9900.
> >
> > Other fearless predicitons?
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Re: [MBZ] Shakes when...

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

No.
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'95 E300

On October 12, 2016 12:14:47 PM EDT, archer75--- via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>My OM617 hits on all cylinders but shakes on idle. I seem to remember
>it can be fixed by adjusting some sort of bolt and locknut on the back
>of the IP. Does the OM603 have such a bolt? 
>Gerry
>
>> I don't believe the OM603 has a rack damper, if it does, it's not
>problematic like the OM617 one was AFAIK.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
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>> > On Oct 12, 2016, at 9:39 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
> wrote:
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>> > Is this a turbo? Could the shaking be the IP rack damper?
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Thunderbird

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

As a kid, my mother drove a '72 T-Bird for many years.  It had a 427 ci engine, 
what a gas hog!  I think the body was very similar to your brother's car in 
terms of size (HUGE), but not as angular.  Terrible in the Wisconsin winters 
without snow tires, but Mom drove about thirty miles each way to work so she 
preferred all-season tires.  That car got stuck a lot in the winter, I think we 
kept a chain and shovel in the trunk year-round.  Very comfortable ride, fast 
for the time, stylish, I think it had over 150k miles when it was sold to the 
mailman.  He drove a rural mail delivery route and racked up many more miles in 
short order, I think the car only lasted a few more years on mail delivery duty.
-- 
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'87 300TD
'95 E300

On October 12, 2016 12:09:56 PM EDT, Donald Snook via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>If you are into non-mercedes collectable cars, my brother is selling
>one of his.
>
>https://memphis.craigslist.org/cto/5824446509.html
>
>It's a cool car and the car has been a winner at multiple car shows he
>has taken it to.   I was with him when he bought the car.  It had
>19,000 miles and now it has 22,000 miles.  1977 was the first year for
>the downsized Thunderbird.  I suppose "downsized" is relative because
>this is still a big car!  It really looks like it has 10,000 miles on
>it.   Not everyone's taste, but still interesting.
>
>
>Donald H. Snook
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[MBZ] Nice, A Little Pricey

[Daniel Penoff via Mercedes]

http://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/5814382856.html

The quarter sized rust spot below the back window is troubling as is the low 
mileage.  I’m wondering if the rod bending issues have been addressed.

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Germany may outlaw gas/diesel cars

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> On October 12, 2016 at 4:23 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> And I forgot to question " EV and Plug-in Hybrid...are better, faster,
> cleaner, cheaper to buy, cheaper to operate and cheaper to maintain than
> gas cars.  Its just the public is not aware of that yet."

Better is subjective. 
SparkEV is a better driver in many ways than Spark (even the upgraded 2016-2017
Sparks have less than 100hp, and none of them can squeal the tires to 40mph like
SparkEV can), but I have trouble thinking of anything a Leaf can do that a
Sentra cannot. 

Faster only applies to Spark and Tesla. 

Cleaner I have to wonder about, especially when taking remote powerplant and
manufacturing induced emissions into account. 

Cheaper to buy, only if you really mean 'bought with taxpayers' money. Spark is
a $14k car, SparkEV is a $26k car. Sentra is a $18k car, Leaf is a $30k car. And
don't get me started on Tesla. 

Cheaper to operate, yes, for me an electric uses 2-3 cents per mile of fuel. A
40mpg gasser is 6 cents.  

Cheaper to maintain, in the short run, an EV needs brake fluid, wiper blades and
tires, and every ten years or so coolant and hoses, assuming it has a proper
cooling system. 
But the first out of warranty traction battery ($5k for Leaf, probably much more
for cars with proper battery thermal management systems) will get your
attention. I figure if I can get a used Leaf or preferably SparkEV for 10-12
cents per remaining battery warranty mile it'd be worth buying. And I have seen
$8k certified pre-owned Leafs with under 25k on the odo and battery warranty to
100k (friends don't let friends buy 2011-2012 Leafs with 60mo/60k batteries). 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Somebody needs this - CL

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

For that price, it's hard to complain about the condition. 

> On October 12, 2016 at 1:52 AM clay via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/zip/5821199496.html
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Re: [MBZ] Shakes when...

[Dan Elliott via Mercedes]

I was able to improve shaking when idle by running diesel purge through the 
injectors. Perhaps 2 cans. 

Dan Elliott 

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> On Oct 12, 2016, at 1:35 PM, "arche...@embarqmail.com" 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks. I'll try adjusting it.
> Gerry
> ~~~
> Dan Penoff wrote:
>> I don't think so, but I haven't looked at mine to see.
> 
>> The OM617 has a rack damper screw that is visible at the top rear of the 
>> pump as a bolt with a lock nut on it.
>> 
>> The bolt has a spring on the end that presses against the fuel rack in the 
>> pump to dampen oscillations in the rack at idle. When the accelerator is 
>> pressed, the rack moves away from the bolt and is no longer affected by the 
>> spring.
>> 
>> The springs tend to weaken over time, so if unstable idle occurs, you can 
>> adjust the bolt in to see if it affects the idle and smooths it out. If not, 
>> replace the bolt if you're sure everything else such as injectors are in 
>> order.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>>> On Oct 12, 2016, at 12:14 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> My OM617 hits on all cylinders but shakes on idle. I seem to remember it 
>>> can be fixed by adjusting some sort of bolt and locknut on the back of the 
>>> IP. Does the OM603 have such a bolt? 
>>> Gerry
>>> 
 I don't believe the OM603 has a rack damper, if it does, it's not 
 problematic like the OM617 one was AFAIK.
 
 Dan
 
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> Is this a turbo? Could the shaking be the IP rack damper?
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Thunderbird

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Donald,

Have you suggested that he talk to the BAT (Bring A Trailer) people? That's a 
good venue to sell on, but if he has unrealistic expectations as far as price 
they might not be interested.

Don't cost 'nuthin.

Dan

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> On Oct 12, 2016, at 2:48 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> No offense taken.  Its not my car.  It is definitely not everyone's taste.  
> For those that are into this era of car, this is a good one.  The Town Landau 
> package was a big deal back then.  It dramatically increased the price of the 
> car.  The 77 T-Bird was a huge seller when it came out.  In 1976, Ford sold 
> 53,000 T-Birds.  But, in 1977 when this new body style came out, they sold 
> 318,000 of them.  
> 
> He also has a 1971 Pontiac Grand Prix that is BEAUTIFUL with only 40,000 
> miles.  It is spectacular and worth significantly more than this T-Bird.   He 
> just recently bought a 1983 Cadillac Fleetwood Brougham Coupe with super low 
> miles and he had to sell one car -- which is why the T-bird is for sale. 
> 
> I think his price is too high.  But, I have seen others like this sell for 
> $7500 and even up to $9,000. 
> 
> Don Snook 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Randy Bennell [mailto:rbenn...@bennell.ca] 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 11:21 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Thunderbird
> 
> I saw a beautiful 64 TBird convertible in traffic yesterday morning. 
> Might be 65 or 66. Not sure how many years they had the big rectangular tail 
> lights but I think 64 was the first year and by 67 they had changed a lot, if 
> I recall correctly.  63 still had the big round tail lights. 
> Not my primary choice in color as it was a rusty brown orange color with a 
> black top but it sure looked in nice shape. I could go for one of those.
> 
> No offense to you or  your brother, Don, but the 77 does not do much for me 
> now.
> I almost bought one when it was new but my wife talked me out of it. She 
> thought it too big for her to drive. We bought a 77 Monarch instead. It was 
> not among the top cars that Ford ever built but we kept it a long time and it 
> served us reasonably well. Lousy handling etc but it looked good (for the 
> time anyway). It was white 2door with a white quarter vinyl roof and a dark 
> red interior.
> 
> RB
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Thunderbird

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

No offense taken.  Its not my car.  It is definitely not everyone's taste.  For 
those that are into this era of car, this is a good one.  The Town Landau 
package was a big deal back then.  It dramatically increased the price of the 
car.  The 77 T-Bird was a huge seller when it came out.  In 1976, Ford sold 
53,000 T-Birds.  But, in 1977 when this new body style came out, they sold 
318,000 of them.  

He also has a 1971 Pontiac Grand Prix that is BEAUTIFUL with only 40,000 miles. 
 It is spectacular and worth significantly more than this T-Bird.   He just 
recently bought a 1983 Cadillac Fleetwood Brougham Coupe with super low miles 
and he had to sell one car -- which is why the T-bird is for sale. 

I think his price is too high.  But, I have seen others like this sell for 
$7500 and even up to $9,000. 

Don Snook 

-Original Message-
From: Randy Bennell [mailto:rbenn...@bennell.ca] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 11:21 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Thunderbird

I saw a beautiful 64 TBird convertible in traffic yesterday morning. 
Might be 65 or 66. Not sure how many years they had the big rectangular tail 
lights but I think 64 was the first year and by 67 they had changed a lot, if I 
recall correctly.  63 still had the big round tail lights. 
Not my primary choice in color as it was a rusty brown orange color with a 
black top but it sure looked in nice shape. I could go for one of those.

No offense to you or  your brother, Don, but the 77 does not do much for me now.
I almost bought one when it was new but my wife talked me out of it. She 
thought it too big for her to drive. We bought a 77 Monarch instead. It was not 
among the top cars that Ford ever built but we kept it a long time and it 
served us reasonably well. Lousy handling etc but it looked good (for the time 
anyway). It was white 2door with a white quarter vinyl roof and a dark red 
interior.

RB



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Re: [MBZ] Matthew

[WILTON via Mercedes]

New WH installed.  Hoping for looong, hot shower tonight.

Wilt

- Original Message - 
From: "Donald Snook via Mercedes" 
To: "Karl Wittnebel" ; "mercedes@okiebenz com" 


Cc: "Donald Snook" 
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Matthew


After Hurricane Andrew hit, I went down to the area with a team from 
Habitat for Humanity and some guys from my church.  We camped out in a 
Church that had rebuilt a big all purpose building and the facilities were 
pretty primitive.  We figured out the best way to shower was using this 
exact method.  It was always a battle to try to be the first few people to 
shower at the end of the day after the sun had heated the water. It was 
good for about 3 very quick showers before the warm water ran out and the 
only choice was straight from the garden hose!


Don Snook

-Original Message-
From: Karl Wittnebel [mailto:atypical...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 7:12 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz com 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Matthew

Solar shower. Black bag, put on roof, fill with hose, wait. Cheap and 
cheerful.


On Oct 11, 2016 4:44 PM, "Jim Cathey via Mercedes" 
wrote:


Remember the show Green Acres?  I can shower with just the little
genny if I turn off everything else while the tank heats up.  But it's a 
pain.


-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Germany may outlaw gas/diesel cars

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

Prius traction batteries are around $2700 from Toyota; rebuilts around $1700. A 
DIYer can replace bad and borderline cells in the battery for about $45 each.
~~
OK Don wrote:

> The price of the batteries must have come down, I would have thought the
> battery pack would be over $10,000.
> 
> On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 10:36 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> > My wife's son-in-law works for a dentist down Oklahoma that has more money
> > than sense.  He has done well investing in lots of different businesses.
> > He bought a Chevy Volt for his employees to use as a company car.  One
> > weekend the dentist had to have some work done on his Bentley so he decided
> > to drive the Volt for the weekend.  I am not sure of the details, but he
> > did something to it where it sat all night either running or the lights on
> > and it ended up killing the batteries.  Cost him $3500 to repair.
> >
> > Don Snook
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Max Dillon [mailto:dillonm...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 2:47 AM
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Germany may outlaw gas/diesel cars
> >
> > You forgot "evacuate from a hurricane, requiring hours and hours creeping
> > along in a traffic jam with AC blasting".  No Tesla would make it. Many
> > cars need refueling during such an event.  The demise of the internal
> > combustion engine has been predicted many times
> > --
> > Max Dillon
> > Charleston SC
> > '87 300TD
> > '95 E300
> >
> > On October 11, 2016 2:47:52 PM EDT, G Mann via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >Tell you what... try this, now, or in 20 years... come to Arizona and
> > >drive from Flagstaff to Tucson in your electric car, or continue on
> > >South to Mexico and tour Mexico with your electric car.
> > >
> > >Take a vacation with your family, full luggage, the dog, and drive from
> > >your Eastern "safe zone" to California, using your electric car.
> > >
> > >This is America, it's big, people drive hundreds of miles per week,
> > >always in a rush. They don't have time or patience to "plug in and
> > >wait" nor do they have a place to do that.
> > >
> > >Utopia and Unicorns... Sorry to rain on your parade. Oil became king
> > >because it was and is easily available. A viable replacement has not
> > >been invented or brought to market now or in the foreseeable future.
> > >It's being thought about, worked on, but it's not here any time soon.
> > >BS legislation won't make it happen any faster.
> > >
> > >I respect that your personal view may be different..
> > >
> > >On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 11:37 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
> > >mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> (From a Solar List)
> > >>
> > >> > Germany calling for ban on all gas/diesel cars by 2030:
> > >>
> > >> > http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1106594_german-upper-
> > >> house-asks-eu-to-ban-all-gas-diesel-cars-by-2030
> > >>
> > >> > And if that catches on, it will be an avalanche of abandonment of
> > >gas
> > >> > cars.  Faster than even 2030, because no one will want to buy a
> > >dead end
> > >> > vehicle as the deadline approaches.
> > >> >
> > >> > We are at the precipice of the end of gas cars.  People need to
> > >realize
> > >> > that the EV and Plug-in Hybrid is here to stay.  And they are
> > >better,
> > >> > faster, cleaner, cheaper to buy, cheaper to operate and cheaper to
> > >> maintain
> > >> > than gas cars.  Its just the public is not aware of that yet.
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> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
> 
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> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
> 
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> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> 2012 

Re: [MBZ] Shakes when...

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

Thanks. I'll try adjusting it.
Gerry
~~~
Dan Penoff wrote:
> I don't think so, but I haven't looked at mine to see.

> The OM617 has a rack damper screw that is visible at the top rear of the pump 
> as a bolt with a lock nut on it.
> 
> The bolt has a spring on the end that presses against the fuel rack in the 
> pump to dampen oscillations in the rack at idle. When the accelerator is 
> pressed, the rack moves away from the bolt and is no longer affected by the 
> spring.
> 
> The springs tend to weaken over time, so if unstable idle occurs, you can 
> adjust the bolt in to see if it affects the idle and smooths it out. If not, 
> replace the bolt if you're sure everything else such as injectors are in 
> order.
> 
> Dan
> 
> > On Oct 12, 2016, at 12:14 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > My OM617 hits on all cylinders but shakes on idle. I seem to remember it 
> > can be fixed by adjusting some sort of bolt and locknut on the back of the 
> > IP. Does the OM603 have such a bolt? 
> > Gerry
> > 
> >> I don't believe the OM603 has a rack damper, if it does, it's not 
> >> problematic like the OM617 one was AFAIK.
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Re: [MBZ] Germany may outlaw gas/diesel cars

[OK Don via Mercedes]

The price of the batteries must have come down, I would have thought the
battery pack would be over $10,000.

On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 10:36 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> My wife's son-in-law works for a dentist down Oklahoma that has more money
> than sense.  He has done well investing in lots of different businesses.
> He bought a Chevy Volt for his employees to use as a company car.  One
> weekend the dentist had to have some work done on his Bentley so he decided
> to drive the Volt for the weekend.  I am not sure of the details, but he
> did something to it where it sat all night either running or the lights on
> and it ended up killing the batteries.  Cost him $3500 to repair.
>
> Don Snook
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Max Dillon [mailto:dillonm...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 2:47 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Germany may outlaw gas/diesel cars
>
> You forgot "evacuate from a hurricane, requiring hours and hours creeping
> along in a traffic jam with AC blasting".  No Tesla would make it. Many
> cars need refueling during such an event.  The demise of the internal
> combustion engine has been predicted many times
> --
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>
> On October 11, 2016 2:47:52 PM EDT, G Mann via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >Tell you what... try this, now, or in 20 years... come to Arizona and
> >drive from Flagstaff to Tucson in your electric car, or continue on
> >South to Mexico and tour Mexico with your electric car.
> >
> >Take a vacation with your family, full luggage, the dog, and drive from
> >your Eastern "safe zone" to California, using your electric car.
> >
> >This is America, it's big, people drive hundreds of miles per week,
> >always in a rush. They don't have time or patience to "plug in and
> >wait" nor do they have a place to do that.
> >
> >Utopia and Unicorns... Sorry to rain on your parade. Oil became king
> >because it was and is easily available. A viable replacement has not
> >been invented or brought to market now or in the foreseeable future.
> >It's being thought about, worked on, but it's not here any time soon.
> >BS legislation won't make it happen any faster.
> >
> >I respect that your personal view may be different..
> >
> >On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 11:37 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
> >mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> (From a Solar List)
> >>
> >> > Germany calling for ban on all gas/diesel cars by 2030:
> >>
> >> > http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1106594_german-upper-
> >> house-asks-eu-to-ban-all-gas-diesel-cars-by-2030
> >>
> >> > And if that catches on, it will be an avalanche of abandonment of
> >gas
> >> > cars.  Faster than even 2030, because no one will want to buy a
> >dead end
> >> > vehicle as the deadline approaches.
> >> >
> >> > We are at the precipice of the end of gas cars.  People need to
> >realize
> >> > that the EV and Plug-in Hybrid is here to stay.  And they are
> >better,
> >> > faster, cleaner, cheaper to buy, cheaper to operate and cheaper to
> >> maintain
> >> > than gas cars.  Its just the public is not aware of that yet.
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[MBZ] 124 Diesel for sale

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

Looks like it needs the Martha treatment.  But, could be nice!  Mileage not 
listed.

Not mine, no affiliation, just browsing craigslist and found it

https://memphis.craigslist.org/cto/5824194595.html

Don Snook

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Re: [MBZ] Shakes when...

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I don't think so, but I haven't looked at mine to see.

The OM617 has a rack damper screw that is visible at the top rear of the pump 
as a bolt with a lock nut on it.

The bolt has a spring on the end that presses against the fuel rack in the pump 
to dampen oscillations in the rack at idle. When the accelerator is pressed, 
the rack moves away from the bolt and is no longer affected by the spring.

The springs tend to weaken over time, so if unstable idle occurs, you can 
adjust the bolt in to see if it affects the idle and smooths it out. If not, 
replace the bolt if you're sure everything else such as injectors are in order.

Dan

> On Oct 12, 2016, at 12:14 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> My OM617 hits on all cylinders but shakes on idle. I seem to remember it can 
> be fixed by adjusting some sort of bolt and locknut on the back of the IP. 
> Does the OM603 have such a bolt? 
> Gerry
> 
>> I don't believe the OM603 has a rack damper, if it does, it's not 
>> problematic like the OM617 one was AFAIK.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Thunderbird

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

I saw a beautiful 64 TBird convertible in traffic yesterday morning. 
Might be 65 or 66. Not sure how many years they had the big rectangular 
tail lights but I think 64 was the first year and by 67 they had changed 
a lot, if I recall correctly.  63 still had the big round tail lights. 
Not my primary choice in color as it was a rusty brown orange color with 
a black top but it sure looked in nice shape. I could go for one of those.


No offense to you or  your brother, Don, but the 77 does not do much for 
me now.
I almost bought one when it was new but my wife talked me out of it. She 
thought it too big for her to drive. We bought a 77 Monarch instead. It 
was not among the top cars that Ford ever built but we kept it a long 
time and it served us reasonably well. Lousy handling etc but it looked 
good (for the time anyway). It was white 2door with a white quarter 
vinyl roof and a dark red interior.


RB

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Re: [MBZ] Shakes when...

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

My OM617 hits on all cylinders but shakes on idle. I seem to remember it can be 
fixed by adjusting some sort of bolt and locknut on the back of the IP. Does 
the OM603 have such a bolt? 
Gerry

> I don't believe the OM603 has a rack damper, if it does, it's not problematic 
> like the OM617 one was AFAIK.
> 
> Dan
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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[MBZ] OT: Thunderbird

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

If you are into non-mercedes collectable cars, my brother is selling one of his.

https://memphis.craigslist.org/cto/5824446509.html

It's a cool car and the car has been a winner at multiple car shows he has 
taken it to.   I was with him when he bought the car.  It had 19,000 miles and 
now it has 22,000 miles.  1977 was the first year for the downsized 
Thunderbird.  I suppose "downsized" is relative because this is still a big 
car!  It really looks like it has 10,000 miles on it.   Not everyone's taste, 
but still interesting.


Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] Germany may outlaw gas/diesel cars

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

My wife's son-in-law works for a dentist down Oklahoma that has more money than 
sense.  He has done well investing in lots of different businesses.  He bought 
a Chevy Volt for his employees to use as a company car.  One weekend the 
dentist had to have some work done on his Bentley so he decided to drive the 
Volt for the weekend.  I am not sure of the details, but he did something to it 
where it sat all night either running or the lights on and it ended up killing 
the batteries.  Cost him $3500 to repair.   

Don Snook  

-Original Message-
From: Max Dillon [mailto:dillonm...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 2:47 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Germany may outlaw gas/diesel cars

You forgot "evacuate from a hurricane, requiring hours and hours creeping along 
in a traffic jam with AC blasting".  No Tesla would make it. Many cars need 
refueling during such an event.  The demise of the internal combustion engine 
has been predicted many times
--
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Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On October 11, 2016 2:47:52 PM EDT, G Mann via Mercedes  
wrote:
>Tell you what... try this, now, or in 20 years... come to Arizona and 
>drive from Flagstaff to Tucson in your electric car, or continue on 
>South to Mexico and tour Mexico with your electric car.
>
>Take a vacation with your family, full luggage, the dog, and drive from 
>your Eastern "safe zone" to California, using your electric car.
>
>This is America, it's big, people drive hundreds of miles per week, 
>always in a rush. They don't have time or patience to "plug in and 
>wait" nor do they have a place to do that.
>
>Utopia and Unicorns... Sorry to rain on your parade. Oil became king 
>because it was and is easily available. A viable replacement has not 
>been invented or brought to market now or in the foreseeable future. 
>It's being thought about, worked on, but it's not here any time soon. 
>BS legislation won't make it happen any faster.
>
>I respect that your personal view may be different..
>
>On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 11:37 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes < 
>mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> (From a Solar List)
>>
>> > Germany calling for ban on all gas/diesel cars by 2030:
>>
>> > http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1106594_german-upper-
>> house-asks-eu-to-ban-all-gas-diesel-cars-by-2030
>>
>> > And if that catches on, it will be an avalanche of abandonment of
>gas
>> > cars.  Faster than even 2030, because no one will want to buy a
>dead end
>> > vehicle as the deadline approaches.
>> >
>> > We are at the precipice of the end of gas cars.  People need to
>realize
>> > that the EV and Plug-in Hybrid is here to stay.  And they are
>better,
>> > faster, cleaner, cheaper to buy, cheaper to operate and cheaper to
>> maintain
>> > than gas cars.  Its just the public is not aware of that yet.
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Matthew

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

After Hurricane Andrew hit, I went down to the area with a team from Habitat 
for Humanity and some guys from my church.  We camped out in a Church that had 
rebuilt a big all purpose building and the facilities were pretty primitive.  
We figured out the best way to shower was using this exact method.  It was 
always a battle to try to be the first few people to shower at the end of the 
day after the sun had heated the water. It was good for about 3 very quick 
showers before the warm water ran out and the only choice was straight from the 
garden hose! 

Don Snook 

-Original Message-
From: Karl Wittnebel [mailto:atypical...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 7:12 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz com 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Matthew

Solar shower. Black bag, put on roof, fill with hose, wait. Cheap and cheerful.

On Oct 11, 2016 4:44 PM, "Jim Cathey via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Remember the show Green Acres?  I can shower with just the little 
> genny if I turn off everything else while the tank heats up.  But it's a pain.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Germany may outlaw gas/diesel cars

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Yurp is pretty much irrelevant.  They are in the process of committing 
suicide.  THe cuts are made.  they are slowly bleeding.   Once it is run 
by middleeasterners oel won't be a problem for yurpV2.



Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
October 12, 2016 at 9:31 AM
If you read the end of the statement they seem to not realize that a 
hybrid car is a gas car...

Try four wheeling any amount with an electric car..
OTOH if Europe bans combustion engines it's more fuel for us.
Curt


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[MBZ] Matthew

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Tried several times yesterday to light WH pilot; no luck.  Plumber just 
left; replaced spark gen; no luck. Water likely got into gas valve; new WH 
en route.  May have some hot water tomorrow.


Plmbr's shops and bldngs under 5 ft. water, but they're out and about.

W

- Original Message - 
From: "WILTON" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 4:53 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Matthew



Yes, familiar with Navy shwr; didn't make it any better.

W

- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes List" 
Cc: "Dan Penoff" 
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Matthew


Sounds like you’re doing a lot better than others up your way. Glad to 
hear your power is still on and you’re not having to bail it out by hand…


Ever heard of a “Navy shower?”  Not fun, but it works.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navy_shower

Dan


On Oct 11, 2016, at 10:52 AM, WILTON via Mercedes 
 wrote:


Water still seeping into my basement.  'Removed original accumulation by
early Sun evening via 1¼" strong and steady stream.  I was then able to
re-establish the pump in sump by boiler in middle of basement; slow but
steady stream via garden hose since then.  'Depth holding at about ½" 
on bsmnt floor.


We've been lucky to have not lost power.  Power still out in much of the
city.  Dangerous driving with many traffic signals inop.

'Water heater and burner/blower for heating system boiler still inop.

'Had very short cold shower this morning.  'Figured it might not be as 
bad
as the 34-degree lake water the Danes threw me into at the July 4th 
party in

'78.  Well, it was close.

Wilt

- Original Message - From: "Mitch Haley via Mercedes" 


To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Mitch Haley" 
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 10:12 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Matthew


I wonder if it's worth having both a submersible and a pedestal in the 
same

hole
if there's room for the bases. Each pump would need its own one way 
valve

before
teeing the pipes together, but if you set the pedestal to come on an 
inch

higher
than the submersible you'd be covered for any failure of the 
submersible

(but
not for total power failure).

When I put my new furnace in, I set in on 11" stacks of concrete 
blocks.
When I added the indoor coil for a heat pump 2 years later, I had to 
ditch

the
blocks to make room for the extra height. Now it sits on 3/4" of rubber
patio
pavers. It turns out my sump never rises above floor level in power
failures,
but sometimes rainwater seeps into the basement opposite the sump, and
runs past
the furnace to the sump, usually when I forget to replace the outspouts
for the
gutters after I mow the yard.

Mitch.



On October 9, 2016 at 12:35 PM WILTON via Mercedes

wrote:


14" water in basement;


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Re: [MBZ] Shakes when...

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

I don't believe the OM603 has a rack damper, if it does, it's not problematic 
like the OM617 one was AFAIK.

Dan

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Re: [MBZ] Germany may outlaw gas/diesel cars

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

If you read the end of the statement they seem to not realize that a hybrid car 
is a gas car...
Try four wheeling any amount with an electric car.. 
OTOH if Europe bans combustion engines it's more fuel for us.
Curt

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
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wrote:   Tell you what... try this, now, or in 20 years... come to Arizona and 
drive
from Flagstaff to Tucson in your electric car, or continue on South to
Mexico and tour Mexico with your electric car.

Take a vacation with your family, full luggage, the dog, and drive from
your Eastern "safe zone" to California, using your electric car.

This is America, it's big, people drive hundreds of miles per week, always
in a rush. They don't have time or patience to "plug in and wait" nor do
they have a place to do that.

Utopia and Unicorns... Sorry to rain on your parade. Oil became king
because it was and is easily available. A viable replacement has not been
invented or brought to market now or in the foreseeable future. It's being
thought about, worked on, but it's not here any time soon. BS legislation
won't make it happen any faster.

I respect that your personal view may be different..

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> (From a Solar List)
>
> > Germany calling for ban on all gas/diesel cars by 2030:
>
> > http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1106594_german-upper-
> house-asks-eu-to-ban-all-gas-diesel-cars-by-2030
>
> > And if that catches on, it will be an avalanche of abandonment of gas
> > cars.  Faster than even 2030, because no one will want to buy a dead end
> > vehicle as the deadline approaches.
> >
> > We are at the precipice of the end of gas cars.  People need to realize
> > that the EV and Plug-in Hybrid is here to stay.  And they are better,
> > faster, cleaner, cheaper to buy, cheaper to operate and cheaper to
> maintain
> > than gas cars.  Its just the public is not aware of that yet.
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Re: [MBZ] Shakes when...

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Is this a turbo? Could the shaking be the IP rack damper?

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Re: [MBZ] Germany may outlaw gas/diesel cars

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On Wed, 12 Oct 2016 04:23:56 -0400
Meade Dillon via Mercedes  wrote:

> And I forgot to question " EV and Plug-in Hybrid...are better, faster,
> cleaner, cheaper to buy, cheaper to operate and cheaper to maintain than
> gas cars.  Its just the public is not aware of that yet."
> 
> OK, please make me aware!  I'd really like to see the numbers supporting
> those claims.  Economics (aka reality) wins every time.
> 
> Gerry - I do thank you for posting - challenging assumptions and finding
> new ways to solve old problems is fun.

Thank you. That's the nicest thing anyone has said to me about cars since I 
bought a Prius. 
The article was about eliminating gas and diesel cars in GERMANY, but for some 
reason people thought it was about doing so in America which is highly unlikely 
for the reasons given. 
Personally, I like having a very economical, but rough riding, gas burner such 
as a Prius when fuel prices are high, and a very old, easy to fix, smooth 
riding Mercedes diesel to drive when fuel prices are low.
Gerry
~ 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 3:46 AM, Max Dillon  wrote:
> 
> > You forgot "evacuate from a hurricane, requiring hours and hours creeping
> > along in a traffic jam with AC blasting". No Tesla would make it. Many cars
> > need refueling during such an event. The demise of the internal combustion
> > engine has been predicted many times
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Re: [MBZ] 280S on BAT sold

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

Hi Jon,
I owe you an email about your Zeniths.  I've been doing two jobs at work
lately, so finding time for email is more difficult than usual.

But, interesting about the BMW pumps... I'll have to look into them.  If I
buy a set I can get you some too and we can save on shipping.

As for rebuilding your carbs yourself, it's really not difficult.  It's a
matter of keeping track of what goes where and how it all goes together.
Doing one at a time and taking photos makes it easier.  Assembling the
chokes is the most tricky.

Good luck!

Jaime
-from a pier in redondo beach before sunrise, for breakfast.

On Tuesday, October 11, 2016, Jon Agne  wrote:

> And my 250S, although it is not for sale! :-)
>
> Winter storage arrangements have been made and the date is creeping up
> ever so quickly. :-(
>
> I really want to do some work on my carbs.  The car is running fantastic
> except for a hesitation while accelerating at low speeds.  I checked the
> accelerator pumps, and as I feared, they just dribble fuel.  Real Mercedes
> pumps are about $140 each IF you can find them.  BMW used the Zenith 35/40
> INAT carbs on numerous models.  You can order the pumps from just about any
> dealer on-line and they cost between $35-40.  Only snag is that they come
> from Germany so it’s about 10-14 days delivery.
>
> Maybe I’ll take the carbs off after she goes into the barn.  That way I
> will not be rushed and it’ll give me something to do after the snow flies.
>
> Jon
>
>
> > On Oct 11, 2016, at 12:11 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> >
> > This is great... makes me feel like I can get back what I'm putting into
> my
> > 250S
> >
> > Jaime
> >
> >
> > On Monday, October 10, 2016, Dimitri via Mercedes  >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> For big bux!
> >>
> >> http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1970-mercedes-benz-280/
> >>
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Shakes when...

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Injectors and/or timing.

The engine shocks are important, but replacing them won't affect the shaking at 
idle enough for you to notice. Be aware that the repair kits, only available 
through Mercedes, are about $75/each.

I would save the $ and put it towards a set of rebuilt and tightly calibrated 
injectors or new engine mounts.

Dan

> On Oct 12, 2016, at 1:02 AM, clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> it has been running for a bit.  Not Ludmilla.
> 
> Polei is pretty smooth on start, but when she warms up, I think the motor 
> mount on the driver side is shot.  Or is it the engine shock that is gone?  I 
> did look at the underside, and the bushing for the shock is melted.  Does it 
> want a whole new shock or maybe just the bushing?The shakes are not 
> really bad, only at idle, and not as vigorous as in Gump.   When I did Gump, 
> I did both motor mounts and then the front mount and Trans mount.
> 
> In the coming months I am pretty sure I will be needing to source a slew of 
> rubber parts to replace the perished bits.  The vacuum is pretty slow and not 
> complete for door locks.  Some doors lock, others, not so much.  Engine bay 
> will need hoses, but thinking the belts look not too bad.  IF I gather a 
> bucket of cash, the bushings all over will be getting attention.  I do not 
> expect that to happen, since this is going to have to be an AS IS Where is 
> car.  I have poured massive cash into getting her road worthy, with a little 
> more to spend.
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Re: [MBZ] Germany may outlaw gas/diesel cars

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

And I forgot to question " EV and Plug-in Hybrid...are better, faster,
cleaner, cheaper to buy, cheaper to operate and cheaper to maintain than
gas cars.  Its just the public is not aware of that yet."

OK, please make me aware!  I'd really like to see the numbers supporting
those claims.  Economics (aka reality) wins every time.

Gerry - I do thank you for posting - challenging assumptions and finding
new ways to solve old problems is fun.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 3:46 AM, Max Dillon  wrote:

> You forgot "evacuate from a hurricane, requiring hours and hours creeping
> along in a traffic jam with AC blasting". No Tesla would make it. Many cars
> need refueling during such an event. The demise of the internal combustion
> engine has been predicted many times
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> '95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] Shakes when...

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

More likely injectors or delivery valves.
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Re: [MBZ] Germany may outlaw gas/diesel cars

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

You forgot "evacuate from a hurricane, requiring hours and hours creeping along 
in a traffic jam with AC blasting".  No Tesla would make it. Many cars need 
refueling during such an event.  The demise of the internal combustion engine 
has been predicted many times
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Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On October 11, 2016 2:47:52 PM EDT, G Mann via Mercedes  
wrote:
>Tell you what... try this, now, or in 20 years... come to Arizona and
>drive
>from Flagstaff to Tucson in your electric car, or continue on South
>to
>Mexico and tour Mexico with your electric car.
>
>Take a vacation with your family, full luggage, the dog, and drive from
>your Eastern "safe zone" to California, using your electric car.
>
>This is America, it's big, people drive hundreds of miles per week,
>always
>in a rush. They don't have time or patience to "plug in and wait" nor
>do
>they have a place to do that.
>
>Utopia and Unicorns... Sorry to rain on your parade. Oil became king
>because it was and is easily available. A viable replacement has not
>been
>invented or brought to market now or in the foreseeable future. It's
>being
>thought about, worked on, but it's not here any time soon. BS
>legislation
>won't make it happen any faster.
>
>I respect that your personal view may be different..
>
>On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 11:37 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
>mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> (From a Solar List)
>>
>> > Germany calling for ban on all gas/diesel cars by 2030:
>>
>> > http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1106594_german-upper-
>> house-asks-eu-to-ban-all-gas-diesel-cars-by-2030
>>
>> > And if that catches on, it will be an avalanche of abandonment of
>gas
>> > cars.  Faster than even 2030, because no one will want to buy a
>dead end
>> > vehicle as the deadline approaches.
>> >
>> > We are at the precipice of the end of gas cars.  People need to
>realize
>> > that the EV and Plug-in Hybrid is here to stay.  And they are
>better,
>> > faster, cleaner, cheaper to buy, cheaper to operate and cheaper to
>> maintain
>> > than gas cars.  Its just the public is not aware of that yet.
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