Re: [MBZ] OT - What is NeXT?

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

My cube was a fair amount more than that!  Of course, NeXT was still making
computers then...  I got the printer too.

-- Jim
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[MBZ] OT - What is NeXT?

[clay via Mercedes]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-NeXT-NeXTstation-N1100-Computer-N4000A-MegaPixel-Dispaly-Monitor-/311752077861?hash=item4895df3225

I remember when you could pick these up for $10.  I wonder who has an edition 
of the OS laying around?  




clay 

2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei

retired models-
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








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Re: [MBZ] Denso 10PA17C Shaft Seal

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

You have to have a clutch holding tool to hold it from turning while loosing 
the bolt

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> On Dec 1, 2016, at 8:34 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Other than snap ring pliers I didn’t see anything shown that was required to 
> remove the clutch.  Did I miss something in the videos?
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
>> On Dec 1, 2016, at 9:23 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Easy, especially if you get the special tool for removing the clutch.  You 
>> may be able to rent that tool at FLAPS?
>> 
>> Do the rear seal and speed sensor too.
>> -- 
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>> Charleston SC
>> '87 300TD
>> '95 E300
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Denso 10PA17C Shaft Seal

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Just replace her compressor and be done with it. If the seal is bad what else 
is not far behind?

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> On Dec 1, 2016, at 6:48 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Well, the verdict on the 350SDL’s AC is in, and the dye tells it all - 
> leaking shaft seal on the compressor.
> 
> So I’m wondering how difficult replacing the shaft seal on one of these could 
> be.  I’ve looked at a couple of examples online and it’s certainly a 
> straightforward job, the only real specialty item being a shaft seal 
> protector, if that.
> 
> Anyone done a shaft seal on one of these, and if so, how difficult is it?  I 
> can’t see replacing a whole compressor just because the seal is bad….
> 
> Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Denso 10PA17C Shaft Seal

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

It is.

That’s good to hear.  Down here in Florida the average life of a compressor 
seems to be around 3-4 years.

Dan


> On Dec 1, 2016, at 9:40 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I'm assuming your car's compressor is the same as my '87, which could be an 
> incorrect assumption.
> 
> My compressor has lasted for ten years after my "rebuild", so I would not 
> hesitate to recommend giving it a try.
> -- 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] "84 300D eBay Auction

[clay via Mercedes]

I am pretty sure the FleaBay folks want to get their pound of flesh, but may be 
willing to let the fees sit on their books so it looks like they have really 
great receivables.   The SL I sold to an idjit on fleabay was 30 days of my 
seller fee being on their books.  Once it became clear he was not paying and 
time had lapsed, I got a note that my fee was reversed.

clay



> On Dec 1, 2016, at 5:52 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> Yes, but will they collect?
> 
> I read something a while back about how a relatively high percentage of eBay 
> car sales never actually close since it's rather simple to back out of the 
> deal with no consequences.  Not sure how accurate that is, but my own 
> experiences there led me to believe there's some truth to it.
> 
> Dan
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Dec 1, 2016, at 8:45 AM, Jon Agne via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Check out the winning bid.
>> 
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/222323420475?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
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Re: [MBZ] Denso 10PA17C Shaft Seal

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

I'm assuming your car's compressor is the same as my '87, which could be an 
incorrect assumption.

My compressor has lasted for ten years after my "rebuild", so I would not 
hesitate to recommend giving it a try.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On December 1, 2016 9:34:12 PM EST, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>Other than snap ring pliers I didn’t see anything shown that was
>required to remove the clutch.  Did I miss something in the videos?
>
>Dan
>
>
>> On Dec 1, 2016, at 9:23 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes
> wrote:
>> 
>> Easy, especially if you get the special tool for removing the clutch.
> You may be able to rent that tool at FLAPS?
>> 
>> Do the rear seal and speed sensor too.
>> -- 
>> Max Dillon
>> Charleston SC
>> '87 300TD
>> '95 E300
>
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Re: [MBZ] Denso 10PA17C Shaft Seal

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Loosen the bolt and give it a pop with a MFH and a drift.NO special 
tool needed.  That is how I have popped off every clutch or tapered sheave.



Max Dillon via Mercedes 
December 1, 2016 at 8:23 PM
Easy, especially if you get the special tool for removing the clutch. 
You may be able to rent that tool at FLAPS?


Do the rear seal and speed sensor too.



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Re: [MBZ] Rusty Old Diesels Drivetribe

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Looks interesting, but it wants you to sign up with fakebook.  I don't 
want to do that.  is there any other way to join?



Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
December 1, 2016 at 8:08 PM
Guy on Benzworld just set this up for those who drive rusty old diesels:

https://www.drivetribe.com/t/SNm9_e5sRsSTl9FB4jrsqQ/KMCmJmyyS5O0VD0L0-dESg

Dan

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Re: [MBZ] Denso 10PA17C Shaft Seal

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Other than snap ring pliers I didn’t see anything shown that was required to 
remove the clutch.  Did I miss something in the videos?

Dan


> On Dec 1, 2016, at 9:23 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Easy, especially if you get the special tool for removing the clutch.  You 
> may be able to rent that tool at FLAPS?
> 
> Do the rear seal and speed sensor too.
> -- 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300


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Re: [MBZ] Denso 10PA17C Shaft Seal

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Dan asks:

>‎Any reason why one couldn’t use >compressor oil rather than mineral oil for 
>>reassembly?

I just watched his R4 video. In it he says he uses mineral oil, as opposed to 
compressor oil because compressor oils are hygroscopic, and will attract water 
from the air.

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Re: [MBZ] Denso 10PA17C Shaft Seal

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Easy, especially if you get the special tool for removing the clutch.  You may 
be able to rent that tool at FLAPS?

Do the rear seal and speed sensor too.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On December 1, 2016 7:48:26 PM EST, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>Well, the verdict on the 350SDL’s AC is in, and the dye tells it all -
>leaking shaft seal on the compressor.
>
>So I’m wondering how difficult replacing the shaft seal on one of these
>could be.  I’ve looked at a couple of examples online and it’s
>certainly a straightforward job, the only real specialty item being a
>shaft seal protector, if that.
>
>Anyone done a shaft seal on one of these, and if so, how difficult is
>it?  I can’t see replacing a whole compressor just because the seal is
>bad….
>
>Dan
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[MBZ] Rusty Old Diesels Drivetribe

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Guy on Benzworld just set this up for those who drive rusty old diesels:

https://www.drivetribe.com/t/SNm9_e5sRsSTl9FB4jrsqQ/KMCmJmyyS5O0VD0L0-dESg

Dan

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Re: [MBZ] Denso 10PA17C Shaft Seal

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Thanks, Rick and Peter.

Just got done watching Bob’s videos on resealing.  Looks pretty straightforward 
and not difficult at all.  I ordered a resealing kit with the shaft protector 
on eBay for about $23 just now, so I’ll probably take this on next week.

Any reason why one couldn’t use compressor oil rather than mineral oil for 
reassembly?

Also, I assume there are charts somewhere that will give the amount of oil to 
fill the compressor with before reinstalling it?  I’ll do some Googling….

Dan

 
> On Dec 1, 2016, at 8:51 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I've done two.
> 
> Clean the compressor very well, the last thing you want is grit in the seals.
> 
> Not a bad job.
> 
> Compressor has to come out, so replace all the o-rings including the four 
> under the top plate.
> 
> The new seal will leak a little until it runs in completely, but I've never 
> had an issue with them after that.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Denso 10PA17C Shaft Seal

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

I've done two.

Clean the compressor very well, the last thing you want is grit in the  
seals.


Not a bad job.

Compressor has to come out, so replace all the o-rings including the  
four under the top plate.


The new seal will leak a little until it runs in completely, but I've  
never had an issue with them after that.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Denso 10PA17C Shaft Seal

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

‎Dan ponders :

>‎So I’m wondering how difficult replacing >the shaft seal on one of these 
>could be. 

‎Century Bob sez on the 10PA the seal goes in from behind, so the compressor 
has to be disassembled. He says that at about 1:14 in the second video. This 
guy is frickin' good. 

‎https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD5lLC5v6PE&sns=em

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MangGmPZc6g&sns=em

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Re: [MBZ] Fl MiniQ

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Thu, 01 Dec 2016 09:44:39 -0500 MG via Mercedes
 wrote:

> The Dome is right there to the west of the runway nearer to the 
> north end then the south.

I saw that. It is very visible on the satellite picture.


> If the picture you see has some long poles sitting near it on the edge
> of the runway laying E-W then look real close at the E end of the poles
> and you can see a shadow of me standing there.

Yup, as shown in the attached picture.


Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Denso 10PA17C Shaft Seal

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I did a write up of how a used a similar $25 junkyard compressor from a 
rice burner into the 10PA17 for the SDL.  It is in the archives about 
2006 or 2007


I had to reuse the clutch from the MB compressor.  That was how I dealt 
with a leaky seal.



Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
December 1, 2016 at 6:48 PM
Well, the verdict on the 350SDL’s AC is in, and the dye tells it all - 
leaking shaft seal on the compressor.


So I’m wondering how difficult replacing the shaft seal on one of 
these could be. I’ve looked at a couple of examples online and it’s 
certainly a straightforward job, the only real specialty item being a 
shaft seal protector, if that.


Anyone done a shaft seal on one of these, and if so, how difficult is 
it? I can’t see replacing a whole compressor just because the seal is 
bad….


Dan


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[MBZ] 2.6 for son of Dan?

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

http://lansing.craigslist.org/cto/5893151132.html

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[MBZ] Straight 6 for Dan?

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Can't tell if it's LWB:
http://lansing.craigslist.org/cto/5877957741.html

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Re: [MBZ] Another Convert?

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

I saw a slightly rusty $1700 ML55 AMG a couple of months ago, I wonder what she
would have thought of that? Appeared to be quite clean inside and mechanically. 

> On December 1, 2016 at 7:44 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> She was suitably unimpressed. She likes the smaller R129 chassis, and the
> response that the M119 provides when you wail on it.

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[MBZ] Denso 10PA17C Shaft Seal

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Well, the verdict on the 350SDL’s AC is in, and the dye tells it all - leaking 
shaft seal on the compressor.

So I’m wondering how difficult replacing the shaft seal on one of these could 
be.  I’ve looked at a couple of examples online and it’s certainly a 
straightforward job, the only real specialty item being a shaft seal protector, 
if that.

Anyone done a shaft seal on one of these, and if so, how difficult is it?  I 
can’t see replacing a whole compressor just because the seal is bad….

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Another Convert?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

She was suitably unimpressed. She likes the smaller R129 chassis, and the 
response that the M119 provides when you wail on it.

I have to defer to her choice somewhat, as the R129 with the later model wheels 
and tires I have on it drives like it’s on rails.  I don’t like the harsh ride, 
however, but she does.  I often considered trying to find a 400E or 500E for 
her, but I was afraid it would cost me a fortune in upkeep and/or traffic 
tickets in insurance premiums.

Whatever.


> On Dec 1, 2016, at 7:37 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Dan,   What was the verdict?  Was it a one day sale?  If not, maybe you 
> shoulda shimmed the alda and added 2-3 PSI boost.   Rolferize it for her.


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Re: [MBZ] 58 'Vette 4 speed OMG

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

If I had a quarter in cash, I probably would not spend it on a car.


Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
December 1, 2016 at 6:41 PM
Wouldn't you like to be the guy who paid 1/4 mil for it 8 years ago?
I wonder what he sold it for 6 years ago.

Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] Let the Martha'ing Begin!

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Try Johnstone or wayne dennis other HVAC distributor for hoses.


Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
December 1, 2016 at 6:36 PM
Had to do the crank position sensor on the SL500 when I got home, took 
me all of about 15 minutes, if that. Cleaned the MAF while I had the 
air cleaner off. Seemed happy, so I moved to the 300D to do a couple 
of minor things.


Replaced the old sealing ring on the power steering pump. It was 
leaking slightly and making a mess, so it got replaced. Realized I had 
left the brake fluid reservoir cap off when I was topping off the 
fluid yesterday. Dang it. No sign of it anywhere in the nether regions 
of the engine compartment, but no worries, as I had a spare in the 
“drawer ‘o’ parts”. Huzzah!


I got some adapter hoses for my R134a manifold gauge set and tried 
checking the AC pressures. No joy. The R12 fittings don’t have a nub 
or button that projects out far enough to depress the pin on the 
Schrader valve. Darn it. Guess I just need to break down and buy an 
R12 gauge set. Wish I could find a set of hoses that would work with 
my existing gauge set. If anyone knows of a source for some hoses that 
would work, I’m all ears.


I may tackle the cooling system drain and flush tomorrow after work. 
I’ve got new radiator hoses that are nice and flexible, unlike the 
ones that are currently on the car. Over the weekend I’m hoping to do 
the engine mounts as well and maybe the transmission fluid and filter, 
along with the B1 piston kit that I got today in my parts order.


Dan
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Re: [MBZ] 58 'Vette 4 speed OMG

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Wouldn't you like to be the guy who paid 1/4 mil for it 8 years ago?
I wonder what he sold it for 6 years ago. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 58 'Vette 4 speed OMG

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I like this'n better  
http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1969-mercedes-benz-280-sl-2/



Mountain Man via Mercedes 
December 1, 2016 at 6:27 PM

25-years ago driving to work an 4-eye Vette like this approached me in
rural DeKalb County north of Somonauk. Couple of years later I begged
a ride-along in a test drive after repair - like engine on rails. The
other mechanic in the shop whispered that the guy owned several
similar cars and was a well respected restorer - rural Somonauk, IL.
Nice BAT car - thanks. 4-eyes is my favorite.
mao


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Re: [MBZ] Another Convert?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Dan,   What was the verdict?  Was it a one day sale?  If not, maybe you 
shoulda shimmed the alda and added 2-3 PSI boost.   Rolferize it for her.

Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
November 30, 2016 at 4:18 PM
Wife has mentioned that her SL500 had died on her several times of 
late. Yesterday for the first time while stopped at a light. Started 
right back up. Today it did it twice, both times starting right back up.


Hmm.

As I'm thinking about putting it on the DAS/Xentry tonight and 
checking codes, it occurs to me that this is a classic crankshaft 
position sensor failure coming on.


Go to Amazon for the Bosch part - none to be found through Prime, 
meaning everyone else is shipping to arrive next week. Check the 
FLAPS, no one has one. Call NAPA - nothing in the state.


It's 4:30, and I know my dealer parts guy is already gone for the day, 
but I call anyway.


Cutoff for VOR orders is 4:45. Got one in Jacksonville and it will be 
here at 7:00 am tomorrow. About $80 my cost, but the Bosch equivalent 
is $50 and overnight or express shipping would have made it that much 
or maybe more.


Here's the convert part:

Gonna give the wife the 350SDL to drive tomorrow. She's never driven 
it, or a diesel, since my 1979 300TD. I told her once she got out of 
the neighborhood she should drive it like she stole it.


This will be interesting.

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Let the Martha'ing Begin!

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Had to do the crank position sensor on the SL500 when I got home, took me all 
of about 15 minutes, if that.  Cleaned the MAF while I had the air cleaner off. 
 Seemed happy, so I moved to the 300D to do a couple of minor things.

Replaced the old sealing ring on the power steering pump.  It was leaking 
slightly and making a mess, so it got replaced.  Realized I had left the brake 
fluid reservoir cap off when I was topping off the fluid yesterday. Dang it.  
No sign of it anywhere in the nether regions of the engine compartment, but no 
worries, as I had a spare in the “drawer ‘o’ parts”.  Huzzah!

I got some adapter hoses for my R134a manifold gauge set and tried checking the 
AC pressures.  No joy.  The R12 fittings don’t have a nub or button that 
projects out far enough to depress the pin on the Schrader valve.  Darn it.  
Guess I just need to break down and buy an R12 gauge set.  Wish I could find a 
set of hoses that would work with my existing gauge set.  If anyone knows of a 
source for some hoses that would work, I’m all ears.

I may tackle the cooling system drain and flush tomorrow after work.  I’ve got 
new radiator hoses that are nice and flexible, unlike the ones that are 
currently on the car.  Over the weekend I’m hoping to do the engine mounts as 
well and maybe the transmission fluid and filter, along with the B1 piston kit 
that I got today in my parts order.

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] 58 'Vette 4 speed OMG

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Only Curvette I've ever been interested in.  Route 66 man...

I was wild about them until I saw a picture of a 300SL.  After a 300SL, 
who cares about a pedestrian curvette.



Mountain Man via Mercedes 
December 1, 2016 at 6:27 PM

25-years ago driving to work an 4-eye Vette like this approached me in
rural DeKalb County north of Somonauk. Couple of years later I begged
a ride-along in a test drive after repair - like engine on rails. The
other mechanic in the shop whispered that the guy owned several
similar cars and was a well respected restorer - rural Somonauk, IL.
Nice BAT car - thanks. 4-eyes is my favorite.
mao


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Re: [MBZ] Let the Martha'ing Begin!

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Curley wrote:
> ...wealth of info too, as was Matt Cama.

Matt lives in ME now - he should be ushered in to the ChowdahQ crew.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] 58 'Vette 4 speed OMG

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Andrew wrote:
> Sick money.
>
> http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1958-chevrolet-corvette/

25-years ago driving to work an 4-eye Vette like this approached me in
rural DeKalb County north of Somonauk.  Couple of years later I begged
a ride-along in a test drive after repair - like engine on rails.  The
other mechanic in the shop whispered that the guy owned several
similar cars and was a well respected restorer - rural Somonauk, IL.
Nice BAT car - thanks.  4-eyes is my favorite.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Insurance

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Part of the deal, unlimited incidents, flatbed towing, etc.

I’ll have to keep the 300D in the garage and leave the 350SDL outside, which 
I’m not keen about, but to save $1000/year in premiums, I’ll do it.

I’m going to call my Allstate agent tomorrow and ask them if they have anything 
remotely competitive.  I’m sure they don’t.

Dan

> On Dec 1, 2016, at 7:12 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I may get a quote for my old Benz, I wonder how competitive they'll be with 
> USAA.
> 
> Can you get break-down towing coverage as well?
> -- 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Insurance

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

I may get a quote for my old Benz, I wonder how competitive they'll be with 
USAA.

Can you get break-down towing coverage as well?
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On December 1, 2016 6:55:16 PM EST, Dan--- via Mercedes  
wrote:
>1982 300D.
>
>Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Dec 1, 2016, at 5:43 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes
> wrote:
>> 
>> Which car?
>> -- 
>> Max Dillon
>> Charleston SC
>> '87 300TD
>> '95 E300
>> 
>>> On December 1, 2016 3:15:02 PM EST, Dan--- via Mercedes
> wrote:
>>> Got a quote from Hagerty today. Barely $300/year and I can drive the
>>> car regularly.
>>> 
>>> Dan
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
> On Dec 1, 2016, at 2:49 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
  wrote:
 
 I loved the service and flexibility of American Collectors in New
>>> Jersey.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Insurance

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

1982 300D.

Sent from my iPad

> On Dec 1, 2016, at 5:43 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Which car?
> -- 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
> 
>> On December 1, 2016 3:15:02 PM EST, Dan--- via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> Got a quote from Hagerty today. Barely $300/year and I can drive the
>> car regularly.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
 On Dec 1, 2016, at 2:49 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I loved the service and flexibility of American Collectors in New
>> Jersey.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Another Convert?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

yes.   Even when I drove the esquella bus, in snow, I'd hit the brakes 
once in a while just to be sure I had reasonable traction.


Never had a problem with a bus or truck in schnee.  One ditsy female 
driver slid a busload of kids off a gravel road hill due to stupidity.  
My route took me up the same hill.  The dispatch told me to drive 10  mi 
around to pick up the kids, and I was at the foot of the hill.  Her bus 
was clear off the road at about 40º tip.   I turned around, got lined 
up, backed up to be able to get a run, and ran right up the hill beside 
her.  At the top I stopped and had her kids walk up to my bus.  They 
were not even late to school, much to their chagrin.  Had I driven 
around, they would have been late.  Had I driven around, I would have 
had to back about a mile in from the last place I could turn around.  My 
load of kids was telling me I could not go up the hill, until I did it.  
Then they were sheepish, and the new crew, figuring out they might not 
be late to school were quite subdued too.  THAT was nice!

Max Dillon via Mercedes 
December 1, 2016 at 5:07 PM
Ah yes, worst gang wars I ever witnessed, the Lords of the Farm & 
Fleet vs the Fleet Farm Knights. Onion covered it in full gory detail 
one summer when I was I college.


My father was the drivers ed teacher at my high school, he taught us 
all that during your first drive in snow each fall, spend some time 
losing traction on purpose, by heavy braking and by turning too 
quickly, in order to refresh the memory of how to drive in the snow. 
Best done in an empty parking lot.




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Re: [MBZ] Another Convert?

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

If I'm driving a Benz in the winter I powerslide it once a week. The rule is I
can't lift throttle after the wheels break loose, I have to straighten it out
with steering only. Typically with the 4Matic I'd overcorrect 6-12" the first
time and then get it right every time for the rest of the winter. One winter I
got it right the first time. 

With a FWD car, any sliding maneuver usually results in self-correcting
understeer, not much skill involved if it has ABS. 
Mitch. 


> On December 1, 2016 at 6:07 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Ah yes, worst gang wars I ever witnessed, the Lords of the Farm & Fleet vs the
> Fleet Farm Knights.  Onion covered it in full gory detail one summer when I
> was I college.
> 
> My father was the drivers ed teacher at my high school, he taught us all that
> during your first drive in snow each fall, spend some time losing traction on
> purpose, by heavy braking and by turning too quickly, in order to refresh the
> memory of how to drive in the snow.  Best done in an empty parking lot.

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Re: [MBZ] Let the Martha'ing Begin!

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

When Dickarde ran the Veterans list, we had several of you, including 
the guy with the shop.  Benz barn?  He was a pretty good egg.  John 
Green was a wealth of info too, as was Matt Cama.


You'll have to do some recruiting for us.

Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
December 1, 2016 at 4:25 PM
Sort of odd that there are not more Canadians on the list. We do have 
the odd MB in Canada.


RB




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Re: [MBZ] Another Convert?

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Ah yes, worst gang wars I ever witnessed, the Lords of the Farm & Fleet vs the 
Fleet Farm Knights.  Onion covered it in full gory detail one summer when I was 
I college.

My father was the drivers ed teacher at my high school, he taught us all that 
during your first drive in snow each fall, spend some time losing traction on 
purpose, by heavy braking and by turning too quickly, in order to refresh the 
memory of how to drive in the snow.  Best done in an empty parking lot.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On December 1, 2016 5:12:15 PM EST, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>
>I went into the Mills Fleet Farm (Dan and Max will know this is a huge 
>store.) to kill some time until the traffic thinned out.  

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Insurance

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Which car?
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On December 1, 2016 3:15:02 PM EST, Dan--- via Mercedes  
wrote:
>Got a quote from Hagerty today. Barely $300/year and I can drive the
>car regularly.
>
>Dan
>
>Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Dec 1, 2016, at 2:49 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
> wrote:
>> 
>> I loved the service and flexibility of American Collectors in New
>Jersey.
>> 
>
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Re: [MBZ] Let the Martha'ing Begin!

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Andrew.

Like much else, it was abandoned in the UK.

My UK relatives say "You sound like a proper Yank".

Here, people say "Do you have an accent?"

My reply is always "I'm speaking English, You have an accent!"

Confused much?


Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.



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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Let the Martha'ing Begin!

And Fred is a Brit it turns out. I had no idea. Where's the accent?

On Dec 1, 2016 12:29 PM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" 
wrote:

I think you mean he was the last list member outside of north America.
Randy is Canadian...
-Curt

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Re: [MBZ] Let the Martha'ing Begin!

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Sort of odd that there are not more Canadians on the list. We do have 
the odd MB in Canada.


RB

On 01/12/2016 4:13 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:

oops, sorry yes, Randy is one of us.  non-na or overseas.


Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
December 1, 2016 at 11:25 AM
I think you mean he was the last list member outside of north 
America. Randy is Canadian...

-Curt

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I'd think you might be able to find that in South Afrika.  The original
Mercedes Veterans list, based in CH had several guys in SA on the list.
One of them moved to OZ.  I think Henny was the last of our foreign 
members.


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Re: [MBZ] Let the Martha'ing Begin!

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Not to worry.

RB

On 01/12/2016 4:13 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:

oops, sorry yes, Randy is one of us.  non-na or overseas.


Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
December 1, 2016 at 11:25 AM
I think you mean he was the last list member outside of north 
America. Randy is Canadian...

-Curt

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Let the Martha'ing Begin!

I'd think you might be able to find that in South Afrika.  The original
Mercedes Veterans list, based in CH had several guys in SA on the list.
One of them moved to OZ.  I think Henny was the last of our foreign 
members.



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[MBZ] Lib'rals Was:Re: Let the Martha'ing Begin!

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Yep,  you are a lib'ral, therefore, we know you lie!


Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
December 1, 2016 at 1:57 PM
Lying.



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Re: [MBZ] Let the Martha'ing Begin!

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

oops, sorry yes, Randy is one of us.  non-na or overseas.


Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
December 1, 2016 at 11:25 AM
I think you mean he was the last list member outside of north America. 
Randy is Canadian...

-Curt

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I'd think you might be able to find that in South Afrika.  The original
Mercedes Veterans list, based in CH had several guys in SA on the list.
One of them moved to OZ.  I think Henny was the last of our foreign 
members.


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Re: [MBZ] Another Convert?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

yes.   When I left home, they said light snow in the early morning only 
near the Mn border.  over 100 miles away and no liklihood of hitting the 
homestead.  By the time I was an hour or so down the road, the schnee 
was starting to hit 35 miles SOUTH of the homestead.


10 hours later, on the return, I run into snow 70 miles away, opposite 
of the direction the weather normally travels.  35 miles later, in the 
outskirts of the large metro I have to go through, traffic is getting 
thick and people are starting to act nutso.  After the turn 90º right to 
the other interstate, there are 3 lanes, packed wall to wall, and kooks 
flipping lanes without clearance, but not clipping anyone.  The snow is 
heavier, and starting to stick.  I hit a slush patch on the ramp and the 
rt drive tire lost traction.I have my own lane after the turn until the 
next exit.  I decided it was not safe and stayed in the rt lane and got 
off on the first exit.  I had intended to get off anyway to get fuel for 
21¢ less than around home.


I went into the Mills Fleet Farm (Dan and Max will know this is a huge 
store.) to kill some time until the traffic thinned out.  I was afraid 
if I procrastinated too long, the temp would drop below 32 before I got 
home and another set of morons would start cracking up.  In the store, I 
ran into a policeman we we started talking.  He asked if I was going 
hunting and I said No, the traffic was thick and there were nuts on the 
loose.  It was the first snow of the season, so the city drivers have no 
concept of snow or slick.  He said the just came from a 3 car pileup, 
then his radio went off that 3 or more vehicles had piled up in the fast 
lane and into the median barrier, on the same short stretch I just got 
off of.


I left with fuel after about 45 min.  the traffic had thinned some.  the 
temp dipped to 32, but not below, then was back up to 33 and I got home 
without further incident.


Last night someone ran into a C store in the large metro area. Yes, 
completely into the store.  This afternoon somebody ran full throttle 
into a wallyworld where I first ran into schnee last night.  so far 3 
dead.  As of now, they believe both were medical incidents, not related 
to the rel ig ion of peas.



Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
December 1, 2016 at 11:22 AM
Which reminds me, did anybody else notice that yesterday was a weird 
day for driving? I observed a ton of bad behavior and 4 accidents, one 
of which ended with a Towncar in the passing lane facing the wrong 
direction.The worst behavior I noticed was all from young women...

-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] Let the Martha'ing Begin!

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

And Fred is a Brit it turns out. I had no idea. Where's the accent?

On Dec 1, 2016 12:29 PM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" 
wrote:

I think you mean he was the last list member outside of north America.
Randy is Canadian...
-Curt

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I'd think you might be able to find that in South Afrika.  The original
Mercedes Veterans list, based in CH had several guys in SA on the list.
One of them moved to OZ.  I think Henny was the last of our foreign members.

> MG via Mercedes 
> December 1, 2016 at 8:44 AM
> How about the one thing I would love to find. The air filter unit for
> very dusty conditions. Mounts on the right inner fender so no more air
> filter mounts to break.
>
> Manfred

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Re: [MBZ] "84 300D eBay Auction

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I didn't mention it but obviously, each car would have to be exercised
regularly.

On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 4:00 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Even considering the cost of the storage? That space could have been used
> for some money making. To "tenderly" store the car you'd need climate
> control, humidity reduction etc to protect your investment, could get
> expensive...
> The car wouldn't be drivable 30 years later, all the rubber would need
> replacing at the very least.
> -Curt
>
>   From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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> Cc: Andrew Strasfogel 
>  Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2016 3:40 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] "84 300D eBay Auction
>
> "As an investment".
>
> Actually, if you bought pristine mid 60s 280SLs and Corvettes back in the
> 80s and garaged them tenderly, your rate of return by 2016 would exceed any
> other asset class.
>
> On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 3:13 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes  >
> wrote:
>
> > Agreed.  For that matter, I wouldn't want a garage queen anything. What
> > fun is a car if you can't drive it?
> >
> > Dan
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > > On Dec 1, 2016, at 2:46 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I was merely pointing out the criteria that make bidding on plebeian
> 123
> > cars go beserk.  I would never want to own a 123 garage queen.
> > >
> > >> On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 2:30 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >> I didn't question the amount - it's certainly a matter of whatever the
> > market will bear - I just said I understood a lot of eBay auctions never
> > get completed because the buyers can back out without consequence.
> > >>
> > >> More power to him if it works for him as a selling venue.
> > >>
> > >> Dan
> > >>
> > >> Sent from my iPad
> > >>
> > >> > On Dec 1, 2016, at 2:15 PM, Andrew Strasfogel <
> astrasfo...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > One owner + leather + garaged + pretty color + low miles = high
> value.
> > >> >
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Re: [MBZ] "84 300D eBay Auction

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Even considering the cost of the storage? That space could have been used for 
some money making. To "tenderly" store the car you'd need climate control, 
humidity reduction etc to protect your investment, could get expensive...
The car wouldn't be drivable 30 years later, all the rubber would need 
replacing at the very least.
-Curt

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Cc: Andrew Strasfogel 
 Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2016 3:40 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] "84 300D eBay Auction
   
"As an investment".

Actually, if you bought pristine mid 60s 280SLs and Corvettes back in the
80s and garaged them tenderly, your rate of return by 2016 would exceed any
other asset class.

On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 3:13 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Agreed.  For that matter, I wouldn't want a garage queen anything. What
> fun is a car if you can't drive it?
>
> Dan
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Dec 1, 2016, at 2:46 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
> wrote:
> >
> > I was merely pointing out the criteria that make bidding on plebeian 123
> cars go beserk.  I would never want to own a 123 garage queen.
> >
> >> On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 2:30 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> I didn't question the amount - it's certainly a matter of whatever the
> market will bear - I just said I understood a lot of eBay auctions never
> get completed because the buyers can back out without consequence.
> >>
> >> More power to him if it works for him as a selling venue.
> >>
> >> Dan
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >>
> >> > On Dec 1, 2016, at 2:15 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > One owner + leather + garaged + pretty color + low miles = high value.
> >> >
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] "84 300D eBay Auction

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

"As an investment".

Actually, if you bought pristine mid 60s 280SLs and Corvettes back in the
80s and garaged them tenderly, your rate of return by 2016 would exceed any
other asset class.

On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 3:13 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Agreed.  For that matter, I wouldn't want a garage queen anything. What
> fun is a car if you can't drive it?
>
> Dan
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Dec 1, 2016, at 2:46 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
> wrote:
> >
> > I was merely pointing out the criteria that make bidding on plebeian 123
> cars go beserk.  I would never want to own a 123 garage queen.
> >
> >> On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 2:30 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> I didn't question the amount - it's certainly a matter of whatever the
> market will bear - I just said I understood a lot of eBay auctions never
> get completed because the buyers can back out without consequence.
> >>
> >> More power to him if it works for him as a selling venue.
> >>
> >> Dan
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >>
> >> > On Dec 1, 2016, at 2:15 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > One owner + leather + garaged + pretty color + low miles = high value.
> >> >
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 133, Issue 7

[MG via Mercedes]

How about this place
http://gorally.com/
Don't know anything about them but they have been there at 
Keystone airport for a long time and used to be some kind of 
special invitation or gov only training facility .

They use part of the old WW2 AAF base for their track.

Manfred

Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2016 10:17:10 -0500
From: "d...@penoff.com" 
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another Convert?
Message-ID: <51e9e156-7d43-4d85-93f7-948816604...@penoff.com>
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I couldn't do it with the spouse. I would end up a quivering mass 
of jelly.


I do think a day at Bondurant's defensive driving school at 
Sebring would be money well spent, however.


Dan

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Insurance

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Got a quote from Hagerty today. Barely $300/year and I can drive the car 
regularly.

Dan

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> On Dec 1, 2016, at 2:49 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I loved the service and flexibility of American Collectors in New Jersey.
> 


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Re: [MBZ] "84 300D eBay Auction

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Agreed.  For that matter, I wouldn't want a garage queen anything. What fun is 
a car if you can't drive it?

Dan

Sent from my iPad

> On Dec 1, 2016, at 2:46 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> I was merely pointing out the criteria that make bidding on plebeian 123 cars 
> go beserk.  I would never want to own a 123 garage queen.
> 
>> On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 2:30 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> I didn't question the amount - it's certainly a matter of whatever the 
>> market will bear - I just said I understood a lot of eBay auctions never get 
>> completed because the buyers can back out without consequence.
>> 
>> More power to him if it works for him as a selling venue.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> > On Dec 1, 2016, at 2:15 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > One owner + leather + garaged + pretty color + low miles = high value.
>> >
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 133, Issue 7

[MG via Mercedes]

Roebling Road is the one you might be thinking of. Got a chance 
to drive my 83 300D around there when my daughter was invited 
there as a part of the wounded warriors project. That 
organization really does do a lot for our service members and 
their families. I know and still support them.


Manfred


Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2016 11:13:07 -0500
From: Floyd Thursby 
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another Convert?
Message-ID: <58404c13.4020...@gmail.com>
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There's a track down around Savannah, I don't know if they do 
track days
or what, i could find out.  The guy up the road races (or used 
to) there.


--FT

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Re: [MBZ] Another Convert?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

The rain didn't give me any trouble other than the visibility. It'd rained all 
day so it wasn't really slippery.
-Curt

  From: Dan--- via Mercedes 
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 Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2016 1:13 PM
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Not here, unless you factor in the rain we had.

People think there's nothing to driving in a place like this, but when it 
hasn't rained for 3-4 weeks and then it does, the roads are like flippin' ice. 
I broke the back end of the 300D loose coming through a turn from a stop.  
Whee!

Dan

Sent from my iPad

> On Dec 1, 2016, at 12:22 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Which reminds me, did anybody else notice that yesterday was a weird day for 
> driving? I observed a ton of bad behavior and 4 accidents, one of which ended 
> with a Towncar in the passing lane facing the wrong direction.The worst 
> behavior I noticed was all from young women...
> -Curt
> 
>      From: Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List  
> Cc: Meade Dillon 
> Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2016 8:15 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another Convert?
> 
> I would actually prefer to enroll her in a driving course and improve that
> skill set.  May not happen anytime soon, but I'd be more comfortable in the
> long run with that solution.  I guess I'm the typical husband / male who
> thinks his spouse can't drive, yet I'm the one with the speeding tickets
> and the (few) fender-benders.
> 
> My wife spent many of her adult driving years in southern Italy, a place
> where (it used to be) that stop lights and the lines on the road were
> purely for decoration and few wore seat-belts (wearing a seat-belt, I was
> told, was a sign of fear in the wearer.  Child safety seat for the little
> ones?  What a waste of money!).  Under stress, such a driver may revert to
> those habits, passing on left or right, on the shoulder or over the line
> into oncoming traffic, whatever it takes to get from A to B in an
> emergency.  That works great in Italy or in a war zone, and probably in
> many other parts of the world (Panama comes to mind, I've had some very
> scary rides in taxicabs in Panama City), but in the U.S. of A., other
> drivers just are not prepared for that type of behavior and some tend to
> get violently angry when someone else "breaks the rules" and gets ahead of
> them or inconveniences them in any way.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 7:42 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> One word: 4Matic. (Well, I can powerslide my 1999 4Matic wagon, but I have
>> to
>> try. It takes a lot of wheelspin to annoy the 4Matic system to the point
>> that it
>> takes the throttle away from me)
>> 
>> Mitch.
>>> On November 30, 2016 at 9:38 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Too quick it turns out, put the car into a power slide and activated the
>> A


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Re: [MBZ] Let the Martha'ing Begin!

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

I would guess that your memory is good. The parts diagram shows what is 
in my 76 300D which I doubt is anything special intended for dusty areas.


RB

On 01/12/2016 1:52 PM, MG via Mercedes wrote:
That looks like the picture I saw except I could swear that the one I 
saw had the round can laying on it's side with fins around the filter 
just like a lot of the tractors have, to spin the air and precipitate 
out a lot of the dust through centrifugal force.


In any case the majority of the parts for it are NLA.

Manfred


Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2016 10:15:33 -0500
From: "d...@penoff.com" 

You mean this:

http://www.mbpartsworld.com/showAssembly.aspx?ukey_assembly=1072694&ukey_make=1103&ukey_model=16069&modelYear=1982&ukey_category=24394 



Dan




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Re: [MBZ] Let the Martha'ing Begin!

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Lying.

On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 2:52 PM, MG via Mercedes 
wrote:

> That looks like the picture I saw except I could swear that the one I saw
> had the round can laying on it's side with fins around the filter just like
> a lot of the tractors have, to spin the air and precipitate out a lot of
> the dust through centrifugal force.
>
> In any case the majority of the parts for it are NLA.
>
> Manfred
>
>
> Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2016 10:15:33 -0500
> From: "d...@penoff.com" 
>
> You mean this:
>
> http://www.mbpartsworld.com/showAssembly.aspx?ukey_assembly=
> 1072694&ukey_make=1103&ukey_model=16069&modelYear=1982&ukey_category=24394
>
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Re: [MBZ] Let the Martha'ing Begin!

[MG via Mercedes]

That looks like the picture I saw except I could swear that the 
one I saw had the round can laying on it's side with fins around 
the filter just like a lot of the tractors have, to spin the air 
and precipitate out a lot of the dust through centrifugal force.


In any case the majority of the parts for it are NLA.

Manfred


Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2016 10:15:33 -0500
From: "d...@penoff.com" 

You mean this:

http://www.mbpartsworld.com/showAssembly.aspx?ukey_assembly=1072694&ukey_make=1103&ukey_model=16069&modelYear=1982&ukey_category=24394

Dan

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Re: [MBZ] Let the Martha'ing Begin!

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

That looks like my CA version air cleaner canister (1985 300TD)

On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 12:25 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I think you mean he was the last list member outside of north America.
> Randy is Canadian...
> -Curt
>
>   From: Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
>  Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2016 9:57 AM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Let the Martha'ing Begin!
>
> I'd think you might be able to find that in South Afrika.  The original
> Mercedes Veterans list, based in CH had several guys in SA on the list.
> One of them moved to OZ.  I think Henny was the last of our foreign
> members.
>
> > MG via Mercedes 
> > December 1, 2016 at 8:44 AM
> > How about the one thing I would love to find. The air filter unit for
> > very dusty conditions. Mounts on the right inner fender so no more air
> > filter mounts to break.
> >
> > Manfred
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Insurance

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I loved the service and flexibility of American Collectors in New Jersey.

On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 11:48 AM, Jon Agne via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Might want to try Dimitri’s insurance company:  http://www.jctaylor.com/ <
> http://www.jctaylor.com/>
>
>
> > On Nov 29, 2016, at 9:14 AM, Jon Agne  wrote:
> >
> > They are not good at on-line quotes.  Just call.
> >
> >
> >> On Nov 29, 2016, at 9:10 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> When I attempted to do an online quote last night, the minimal value
> they listed was $25k. It wouldn't accept anything less.
> >>
> >> Dan
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >>
> >>> On Nov 29, 2016, at 9:04 AM, Jon Agne  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> This is my contact:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Nicole Marketta
> >>> Collector Vehicle Insurance Specialist
> >>> Chubb Collector Car Insurance
> >>>
> >>> 202 Hall's Mill Road
> >>> Whitehouse Station, NJ 08889
> >>> USA
> >>>
> >>> O 1-866-227-9648 ext 2362
> >>> M 908-323-0096
> >>> F 888-382-7115
> >>>
> >>> ACE and Chubb are now one.
> >>>
> >>> NONE of my vehicles are insured over $10k.
> >>>
> >>> Jon
> >>>
> >>>
>  On Nov 29, 2016, at 8:08 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>  I ran a quote on Hagerty and it was $337/year.  Chubb wanted to
> insure it for $25k, no less.
> 
>  That's silly.
> 
>  I'll look into this more closely, as I may modify the quote from
> Hagerty for a higher mileage limit.
> 
>  Dan
> 
>  Sent from my iPad
> 
> > On Nov 29, 2016, at 7:55 AM, Dimitri via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I use JC Taylor
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Nov 29, 2016, at 7:37 AM, Jon Agne via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hagerty is good as well.  I covered a wooden sailboat with them for
> years.  I thought Chubb was a better deal on the cars.  Dimitri uses
> someone else as I do not believe that Chubb writes in MA.
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Nov 28, 2016, at 9:29 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> https://www2.chubb.com/us-en/individuals-families/Automobiles.aspx
> >>>
> >>>
>  On Nov 28, 2016, at 9:26 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>  What is a Chubb collector policy?
> 
>  Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] "84 300D eBay Auction

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I was merely pointing out the criteria that make bidding on plebeian 123
cars go beserk.  I would never want to own a 123 garage queen.

On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 2:30 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes 
wrote:

> I didn't question the amount - it's certainly a matter of whatever the
> market will bear - I just said I understood a lot of eBay auctions never
> get completed because the buyers can back out without consequence.
>
> More power to him if it works for him as a selling venue.
>
> Dan
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Dec 1, 2016, at 2:15 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
> wrote:
> >
> > One owner + leather + garaged + pretty color + low miles = high value.
> >
>
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Re: [MBZ] "84 300D eBay Auction

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

I didn't question the amount - it's certainly a matter of whatever the market 
will bear - I just said I understood a lot of eBay auctions never get completed 
because the buyers can back out without consequence.

More power to him if it works for him as a selling venue.

Dan

Sent from my iPad

> On Dec 1, 2016, at 2:15 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> One owner + leather + garaged + pretty color + low miles = high value.
> 


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[MBZ] 1987 560 SL with stupid low 14k miles

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I mean, what's the point?  These cars were supposed to be DRIVEN.

Anyway, price is already at $14.500.  Where will it end in 6 days?  Should
we have a sweepstakes?

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1987-mercedes-benz-560sl-6/
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[MBZ] 58 'Vette 4 speed OMG

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Sick money.

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1958-chevrolet-corvette/
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Re: [MBZ] OT Plane crash

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

No explosion - since they were out of fuel.  This allowed for some lives to
be spared.

On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 12:26 AM, clay via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Medellin is 4900’ above MSL, plane had 4k to hit the ground.  City is in a
> valley surrounded by mountains.
>
>
> clay
>
> > On Nov 30, 2016, at 5:10 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> On November 30, 2016 at 8:03 PM OK Don via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> That would be 9000' MSL - mean sea level. I don't have a clue what the
> >> ground level altitude is there, nor what was between them and the
> airport.
> >
> > Maybe they'd been gliding quite some time to have dropped to 9000', and
> then
> > were surprised when they ran out of battery. That would cause a total
> electrical
> > failure, wouldn't it?
> >
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Re: [MBZ] "84 300D eBay Auction

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

One owner + leather + garaged + pretty color + low miles = high value.

On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 1:17 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Good for him. I'm glad someone gets something out of eBay these days, as
> it's become so buyer-centric that as a seller it's tough to do well.
>
> When I tried selling the S430 with a reserve there were a number of
> bidders who would bid some stupid number, like $20k, just to expose the
> reserve, then they would retract the bid.  I checked them out and several
> of the accounts were used to do nothing but this, as they had tons of
> retractions.
>
> I complained to eBay but they seemed indifferent about the whole thing.
>
> Dan
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Dec 1, 2016, at 11:21 AM, Jon Agne via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I know the seller.  He usually gets those prices for his cars.
> >
> >
> >> On Dec 1, 2016, at 8:52 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Yes, but will they collect?
> >>
> >> I read something a while back about how a relatively high percentage of
> eBay car sales never actually close since it's rather simple to back out of
> the deal with no consequences.  Not sure how accurate that is, but my own
> experiences there led me to believe there's some truth to it.
> >>
> >> Dan
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >>
> >>> On Dec 1, 2016, at 8:45 AM, Jon Agne via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Check out the winning bid.
> >>>
> >>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/222323420475?_trksid=p2060353.
> m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
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Re: [MBZ] Another Convert?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Max, you are the perfect Type A we need up here to swell our tax rolls.
Time to move north.

On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 1:13 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Not here, unless you factor in the rain we had.
>
> People think there's nothing to driving in a place like this, but when it
> hasn't rained for 3-4 weeks and then it does, the roads are like flippin'
> ice. I broke the back end of the 300D loose coming through a turn from a
> stop.  Whee!
>
> Dan
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Dec 1, 2016, at 12:22 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Which reminds me, did anybody else notice that yesterday was a weird day
> for driving? I observed a ton of bad behavior and 4 accidents, one of which
> ended with a Towncar in the passing lane facing the wrong direction.The
> worst behavior I noticed was all from young women...
> > -Curt
> >
> >  From: Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > Cc: Meade Dillon 
> > Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2016 8:15 AM
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another Convert?
> >
> > I would actually prefer to enroll her in a driving course and improve
> that
> > skill set.  May not happen anytime soon, but I'd be more comfortable in
> the
> > long run with that solution.  I guess I'm the typical husband / male who
> > thinks his spouse can't drive, yet I'm the one with the speeding tickets
> > and the (few) fender-benders.
> >
> > My wife spent many of her adult driving years in southern Italy, a place
> > where (it used to be) that stop lights and the lines on the road were
> > purely for decoration and few wore seat-belts (wearing a seat-belt, I was
> > told, was a sign of fear in the wearer.  Child safety seat for the little
> > ones?  What a waste of money!).  Under stress, such a driver may revert
> to
> > those habits, passing on left or right, on the shoulder or over the line
> > into oncoming traffic, whatever it takes to get from A to B in an
> > emergency.  That works great in Italy or in a war zone, and probably in
> > many other parts of the world (Panama comes to mind, I've had some very
> > scary rides in taxicabs in Panama City), but in the U.S. of A., other
> > drivers just are not prepared for that type of behavior and some tend to
> > get violently angry when someone else "breaks the rules" and gets ahead
> of
> > them or inconveniences them in any way.
> >
> >
> >
> > -
> > Max
> > Charleston SC
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 7:42 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> One word: 4Matic. (Well, I can powerslide my 1999 4Matic wagon, but I
> have
> >> to
> >> try. It takes a lot of wheelspin to annoy the 4Matic system to the point
> >> that it
> >> takes the throttle away from me)
> >>
> >> Mitch.
> >>> On November 30, 2016 at 9:38 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes
> >>>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Too quick it turns out, put the car into a power slide and activated
> the
> >> A
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Re: [MBZ] 5.5 hour differential ordeal

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Just rolled 230k

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> On Dec 1, 2016, at 10:58 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
>> On 30/11/2016 9:13 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> Car is finally home. What a debacle. Loading and unloading that thing onto 
>> the trailer sounded like a box of rocks in the ass end of the car. Back end 
>> of car smelled like burned gear oil. I am not so sure it was dry, I'd 
>> probably was but maybe it just decided to start flying apart. This is a 
>> first for me.
>> 
> 
> How many miles on it?
> 
> RB
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Re: [MBZ] "84 300D eBay Auction

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Good for him. I'm glad someone gets something out of eBay these days, as it's 
become so buyer-centric that as a seller it's tough to do well.

When I tried selling the S430 with a reserve there were a number of bidders who 
would bid some stupid number, like $20k, just to expose the reserve, then they 
would retract the bid.  I checked them out and several of the accounts were 
used to do nothing but this, as they had tons of retractions.

I complained to eBay but they seemed indifferent about the whole thing.

Dan

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> On Dec 1, 2016, at 11:21 AM, Jon Agne via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I know the seller.  He usually gets those prices for his cars.
> 
> 
>> On Dec 1, 2016, at 8:52 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, but will they collect?
>> 
>> I read something a while back about how a relatively high percentage of eBay 
>> car sales never actually close since it's rather simple to back out of the 
>> deal with no consequences.  Not sure how accurate that is, but my own 
>> experiences there led me to believe there's some truth to it.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Dec 1, 2016, at 8:45 AM, Jon Agne via Mercedes  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Check out the winning bid.
>>> 
>>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/222323420475?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
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Re: [MBZ] Another Convert?

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Not here, unless you factor in the rain we had.

People think there's nothing to driving in a place like this, but when it 
hasn't rained for 3-4 weeks and then it does, the roads are like flippin' ice. 
I broke the back end of the 300D loose coming through a turn from a stop.  
Whee!

Dan

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> On Dec 1, 2016, at 12:22 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Which reminds me, did anybody else notice that yesterday was a weird day for 
> driving? I observed a ton of bad behavior and 4 accidents, one of which ended 
> with a Towncar in the passing lane facing the wrong direction.The worst 
> behavior I noticed was all from young women...
> -Curt
> 
>  From: Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List  
> Cc: Meade Dillon 
> Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2016 8:15 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another Convert?
> 
> I would actually prefer to enroll her in a driving course and improve that
> skill set.  May not happen anytime soon, but I'd be more comfortable in the
> long run with that solution.  I guess I'm the typical husband / male who
> thinks his spouse can't drive, yet I'm the one with the speeding tickets
> and the (few) fender-benders.
> 
> My wife spent many of her adult driving years in southern Italy, a place
> where (it used to be) that stop lights and the lines on the road were
> purely for decoration and few wore seat-belts (wearing a seat-belt, I was
> told, was a sign of fear in the wearer.  Child safety seat for the little
> ones?  What a waste of money!).  Under stress, such a driver may revert to
> those habits, passing on left or right, on the shoulder or over the line
> into oncoming traffic, whatever it takes to get from A to B in an
> emergency.  That works great in Italy or in a war zone, and probably in
> many other parts of the world (Panama comes to mind, I've had some very
> scary rides in taxicabs in Panama City), but in the U.S. of A., other
> drivers just are not prepared for that type of behavior and some tend to
> get violently angry when someone else "breaks the rules" and gets ahead of
> them or inconveniences them in any way.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 7:42 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> One word: 4Matic. (Well, I can powerslide my 1999 4Matic wagon, but I have
>> to
>> try. It takes a lot of wheelspin to annoy the 4Matic system to the point
>> that it
>> takes the throttle away from me)
>> 
>> Mitch.
>>> On November 30, 2016 at 9:38 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Too quick it turns out, put the car into a power slide and activated the
>> A


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Re: [MBZ] Another Convert?

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

My current pet peeve is drivers at the front of the line for a red light, who 
start looking at their phone and miss the light turning green.  I lay on the 
horn as long as it takes to get them moving.  I need to festoon (sp?) my car 
with coexist and Bernie and "=" stickers, maybe I'll get a pass (Charleston 
County is turning blue, Andrew will fit right in).
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On December 1, 2016 12:22:31 PM EST, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>Which reminds me, did anybody else notice that yesterday was a weird
>day for driving? I observed a ton of bad behavior and 4 accidents, one
>of which ended with a Towncar in the passing lane facing the wrong
>direction.The worst behavior I noticed was all from young women...
>-Curt
>
>  From: Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List  
>Cc: Meade Dillon 
> Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2016 8:15 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another Convert?
>   
>I would actually prefer to enroll her in a driving course and improve
>that
>skill set.  May not happen anytime soon, but I'd be more comfortable in
>the
>long run with that solution.  I guess I'm the typical husband / male
>who
>thinks his spouse can't drive, yet I'm the one with the speeding
>tickets
>and the (few) fender-benders.
>
>My wife spent many of her adult driving years in southern Italy, a
>place
>where (it used to be) that stop lights and the lines on the road were
>purely for decoration and few wore seat-belts (wearing a seat-belt, I
>was
>told, was a sign of fear in the wearer.  Child safety seat for the
>little
>ones?  What a waste of money!).  Under stress, such a driver may revert
>to
>those habits, passing on left or right, on the shoulder or over the
>line
>into oncoming traffic, whatever it takes to get from A to B in an
>emergency.  That works great in Italy or in a war zone, and probably in
>many other parts of the world (Panama comes to mind, I've had some very
>scary rides in taxicabs in Panama City), but in the U.S. of A., other
>drivers just are not prepared for that type of behavior and some tend
>to
>get violently angry when someone else "breaks the rules" and gets ahead
>of
>them or inconveniences them in any way.
>
>
>
>-
>Max
>Charleston SC
>
>On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 7:42 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
>mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> One word: 4Matic. (Well, I can powerslide my 1999 4Matic wagon, but I
>have
>> to
>> try. It takes a lot of wheelspin to annoy the 4Matic system to the
>point
>> that it
>> takes the throttle away from me)
>>
>> Mitch.
>> > On November 30, 2016 at 9:38 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes
>> >  wrote:
>> >
>> > Too quick it turns out, put the car into a power slide and
>activated the
>> ASD.
>> >  Contacted me later, thought she'd broken the car when the ASD
>light
>> came on
>> > for a bit.  Blames the car, not enough power she says.
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Re: [MBZ] Let the Martha'ing Begin!

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I think you mean he was the last list member outside of north America. Randy is 
Canadian...
-Curt

  From: Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
 Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2016 9:57 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Let the Martha'ing Begin!
   
I'd think you might be able to find that in South Afrika.  The original 
Mercedes Veterans list, based in CH had several guys in SA on the list.  
One of them moved to OZ.  I think Henny was the last of our foreign members.

> MG via Mercedes 
> December 1, 2016 at 8:44 AM
> How about the one thing I would love to find. The air filter unit for 
> very dusty conditions. Mounts on the right inner fender so no more air 
> filter mounts to break.
>
> Manfred

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Re: [MBZ] Another Convert?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Which reminds me, did anybody else notice that yesterday was a weird day for 
driving? I observed a ton of bad behavior and 4 accidents, one of which ended 
with a Towncar in the passing lane facing the wrong direction.The worst 
behavior I noticed was all from young women...
-Curt

  From: Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: Meade Dillon 
 Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2016 8:15 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another Convert?
   
I would actually prefer to enroll her in a driving course and improve that
skill set.  May not happen anytime soon, but I'd be more comfortable in the
long run with that solution.  I guess I'm the typical husband / male who
thinks his spouse can't drive, yet I'm the one with the speeding tickets
and the (few) fender-benders.

My wife spent many of her adult driving years in southern Italy, a place
where (it used to be) that stop lights and the lines on the road were
purely for decoration and few wore seat-belts (wearing a seat-belt, I was
told, was a sign of fear in the wearer.  Child safety seat for the little
ones?  What a waste of money!).  Under stress, such a driver may revert to
those habits, passing on left or right, on the shoulder or over the line
into oncoming traffic, whatever it takes to get from A to B in an
emergency.  That works great in Italy or in a war zone, and probably in
many other parts of the world (Panama comes to mind, I've had some very
scary rides in taxicabs in Panama City), but in the U.S. of A., other
drivers just are not prepared for that type of behavior and some tend to
get violently angry when someone else "breaks the rules" and gets ahead of
them or inconveniences them in any way.



-
Max
Charleston SC

On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 7:42 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> One word: 4Matic. (Well, I can powerslide my 1999 4Matic wagon, but I have
> to
> try. It takes a lot of wheelspin to annoy the 4Matic system to the point
> that it
> takes the throttle away from me)
>
> Mitch.
> > On November 30, 2016 at 9:38 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> >
> > Too quick it turns out, put the car into a power slide and activated the
> ASD.
> >  Contacted me later, thought she'd broken the car when the ASD light
> came on
> > for a bit.  Blames the car, not enough power she says.
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Re: [MBZ] 5.5 hour differential ordeal

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 30/11/2016 9:13 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

Car is finally home. What a debacle. Loading and unloading that thing onto the 
trailer sounded like a box of rocks in the ass end of the car. Back end of car 
smelled like burned gear oil. I am not so sure it was dry, I'd probably was but 
maybe it just decided to start flying apart. This is a first for me.



How many miles on it?

RB

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Insurance

[Jon Agne via Mercedes]

Might want to try Dimitri’s insurance company:  http://www.jctaylor.com/ 



> On Nov 29, 2016, at 9:14 AM, Jon Agne  wrote:
> 
> They are not good at on-line quotes.  Just call.
> 
> 
>> On Nov 29, 2016, at 9:10 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> When I attempted to do an online quote last night, the minimal value they 
>> listed was $25k. It wouldn't accept anything less.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Nov 29, 2016, at 9:04 AM, Jon Agne  wrote:
>>> 
>>> This is my contact:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Nicole Marketta
>>> Collector Vehicle Insurance Specialist
>>> Chubb Collector Car Insurance 
>>> 
>>> 202 Hall's Mill Road
>>> Whitehouse Station, NJ 08889
>>> USA
>>> 
>>> O 1-866-227-9648 ext 2362
>>> M 908-323-0096
>>> F 888-382-7115
>>> 
>>> ACE and Chubb are now one.
>>> 
>>> NONE of my vehicles are insured over $10k.
>>> 
>>> Jon
>>> 
>>> 
 On Nov 29, 2016, at 8:08 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
 wrote:
 
 I ran a quote on Hagerty and it was $337/year.  Chubb wanted to insure it 
 for $25k, no less. 
 
 That's silly.
 
 I'll look into this more closely, as I may modify the quote from Hagerty 
 for a higher mileage limit.
 
 Dan
 
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> On Nov 29, 2016, at 7:55 AM, Dimitri via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I use JC Taylor
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 29, 2016, at 7:37 AM, Jon Agne via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hagerty is good as well.  I covered a wooden sailboat with them for 
>> years.  I thought Chubb was a better deal on the cars.  Dimitri uses 
>> someone else as I do not believe that Chubb writes in MA.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 28, 2016, at 9:29 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> https://www2.chubb.com/us-en/individuals-families/Automobiles.aspx
>>> 
>>> 
 On Nov 28, 2016, at 9:26 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 What is a Chubb collector policy?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Another Convert?

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

A friend who lives on IOP tracks a Miata with a team of guys, I should ask
him about such goings on.  I think the Miata has an engine from some other
marque, maybe a SBC or something like that.  Very redneck, upsets the
purists.  They have done of the LeMons races, some "serious" races, I've
been invited to tag along and I've got to do that one of these days.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 11:13 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> There's a track down around Savannah, I don't know if they do track days
> or what, i could find out.  The guy up the road races (or used to) there.
>
> --FT
>
>
> On 12/1/16 10:59 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Keep it up, stirring some thoughts in my head about how to do this both
>> frugally and yet fun.
>>
>> Chuck (??  last name escapes me now) used to autocross a 116 diesel with
>> his daughter, I really should track down something like that, so SWMBO and
>> I use what we know and know what we drive.
>>
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 10:17 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I couldn't do it with the spouse. I would end up a quivering mass of
>>> jelly.
>>>
>>> I do think a day at Bondurant's defensive driving school at Sebring would
>>> be money well spent, however.
>>>
>>> Dan
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Dec 1, 2016, at 10:10 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <

>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>
 For a Christmas present for you both enroll in a day at the BMW track in

>>> Greer.  It is a great time and you get to drive spiritedly on a track
>>> with
>>> some high-performance luxury sedans that will do more than you are
>>> capable
>>> of doing.  The 2 of you can share a car and rag on each other.  It is not
>>> cheap but it will do wonders for confidence and it is also fun as hell.
>>>
 --R

 On 12/1/16 8:15 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
> I would actually prefer to enroll her in a driving course and improve
>
 that
>>>
 skill set.  May not happen anytime soon, but I'd be more comfortable in
>
 the
>>>
 long run with that solution.  I guess I'm the typical husband / male who
> thinks his spouse can't drive, yet I'm the one with the speeding
> tickets
> and the (few) fender-benders.
>
> My wife spent many of her adult driving years in southern Italy, a
> place
> where (it used to be) that stop lights and the lines on the road were
> purely for decoration and few wore seat-belts (wearing a seat-belt, I
>
 was
>>>
 told, was a sign of fear in the wearer.  Child safety seat for the
>
 little
>>>
 ones?  What a waste of money!).  Under stress, such a driver may revert
>
 to
>>>
 those habits, passing on left or right, on the shoulder or over the line
> into oncoming traffic, whatever it takes to get from A to B in an
> emergency.  That works great in Italy or in a war zone, and probably in
> many other parts of the world (Panama comes to mind, I've had some very
> scary rides in taxicabs in Panama City), but in the U.S. of A., other
> drivers just are not prepared for that type of behavior and some tend
> to
> get violently angry when someone else "breaks the rules" and gets ahead
>
 of
>>>
 them or inconveniences them in any way.
>
>
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
> On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 7:42 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> One word: 4Matic. (Well, I can powerslide my 1999 4Matic wagon, but I
>>
> have
>>>
 to
>> try. It takes a lot of wheelspin to annoy the 4Matic system to the
>>
> point
>>>
 that it
>> takes the throttle away from me)
>>
>> Mitch.
>>
>>> On November 30, 2016 at 9:38 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Too quick it turns out, put the car into a power slide and activated
>>>
>> the
>>>
 ASD.
>>
>>>   Contacted me later, thought she'd broken the car when the ASD light
>>>
>> came on
>>
>>> for a bit.  Blames the car, not enough power she says.
>>>
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>>> large or 

Re: [MBZ] Another Convert?

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

There's a track down around Savannah, I don't know if they do track days 
or what, i could find out.  The guy up the road races (or used to) there.


--FT

On 12/1/16 10:59 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

Keep it up, stirring some thoughts in my head about how to do this both
frugally and yet fun.

Chuck (??  last name escapes me now) used to autocross a 116 diesel with
his daughter, I really should track down something like that, so SWMBO and
I use what we know and know what we drive.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 10:17 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes 
wrote:


I couldn't do it with the spouse. I would end up a quivering mass of jelly.

I do think a day at Bondurant's defensive driving school at Sebring would
be money well spent, however.

Dan

Sent from my iPad


On Dec 1, 2016, at 10:10 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <

mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

For a Christmas present for you both enroll in a day at the BMW track in

Greer.  It is a great time and you get to drive spiritedly on a track with
some high-performance luxury sedans that will do more than you are capable
of doing.  The 2 of you can share a car and rag on each other.  It is not
cheap but it will do wonders for confidence and it is also fun as hell.

--R


On 12/1/16 8:15 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
I would actually prefer to enroll her in a driving course and improve

that

skill set.  May not happen anytime soon, but I'd be more comfortable in

the

long run with that solution.  I guess I'm the typical husband / male who
thinks his spouse can't drive, yet I'm the one with the speeding tickets
and the (few) fender-benders.

My wife spent many of her adult driving years in southern Italy, a place
where (it used to be) that stop lights and the lines on the road were
purely for decoration and few wore seat-belts (wearing a seat-belt, I

was

told, was a sign of fear in the wearer.  Child safety seat for the

little

ones?  What a waste of money!).  Under stress, such a driver may revert

to

those habits, passing on left or right, on the shoulder or over the line
into oncoming traffic, whatever it takes to get from A to B in an
emergency.  That works great in Italy or in a war zone, and probably in
many other parts of the world (Panama comes to mind, I've had some very
scary rides in taxicabs in Panama City), but in the U.S. of A., other
drivers just are not prepared for that type of behavior and some tend to
get violently angry when someone else "breaks the rules" and gets ahead

of

them or inconveniences them in any way.



-
Max
Charleston SC

On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 7:42 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


One word: 4Matic. (Well, I can powerslide my 1999 4Matic wagon, but I

have

to
try. It takes a lot of wheelspin to annoy the 4Matic system to the

point

that it
takes the throttle away from me)

Mitch.

On November 30, 2016 at 9:38 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes
 wrote:

Too quick it turns out, put the car into a power slide and activated

the

ASD.

  Contacted me later, thought she'd broken the car when the ASD light

came on

for a bit.  Blames the car, not enough power she says.

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Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might

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Re: [MBZ] "84 300D eBay Auction

[Jon Agne via Mercedes]

I know the seller.  He usually gets those prices for his cars.


> On Dec 1, 2016, at 8:52 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> Yes, but will they collect?
> 
> I read something a while back about how a relatively high percentage of eBay 
> car sales never actually close since it's rather simple to back out of the 
> deal with no consequences.  Not sure how accurate that is, but my own 
> experiences there led me to believe there's some truth to it.
> 
> Dan
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Dec 1, 2016, at 8:45 AM, Jon Agne via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Check out the winning bid.
>> 
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/222323420475?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
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Re: [MBZ] Another Convert?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Landenburger

MBCA Greater DC
THen Hawaii Section
Then AZ
I think he was in CO when he died.  Chuck was a great guy.  I got to 
meet him and his son in person after church in Kailua, HI.



Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
December 1, 2016 at 10:02 AM
Chuck Landburger? Something like that, he passed away a few years back.
Used to post on this list quite a bit.

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Re: [MBZ] Another Convert?

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

He was the MBCA guy from Hawaii, I believe.

Dan

Sent from my iPad

> On Dec 1, 2016, at 11:02 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Chuck Landburger?  Something like that, he passed away a few years back.
> Used to post on this list quite a bit.
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
>> On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 10:59 AM, Meade Dillon  wrote:
>> 
>> Keep it up, stirring some thoughts in my head about how to do this both
>> frugally and yet fun.
>> 
>> Chuck (??  last name escapes me now) used to autocross a 116 diesel with
>> his daughter, I really should track down something like that, so SWMBO and
>> I use what we know and know what we drive.
>> 
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] Another Convert?

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Chuck Landburger?  Something like that, he passed away a few years back.
Used to post on this list quite a bit.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 10:59 AM, Meade Dillon  wrote:

> Keep it up, stirring some thoughts in my head about how to do this both
> frugally and yet fun.
>
> Chuck (??  last name escapes me now) used to autocross a 116 diesel with
> his daughter, I really should track down something like that, so SWMBO and
> I use what we know and know what we drive.
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
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Re: [MBZ] Another Convert?

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Keep it up, stirring some thoughts in my head about how to do this both
frugally and yet fun.

Chuck (??  last name escapes me now) used to autocross a 116 diesel with
his daughter, I really should track down something like that, so SWMBO and
I use what we know and know what we drive.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 10:17 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes 
wrote:

> I couldn't do it with the spouse. I would end up a quivering mass of jelly.
>
> I do think a day at Bondurant's defensive driving school at Sebring would
> be money well spent, however.
>
> Dan
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Dec 1, 2016, at 10:10 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > For a Christmas present for you both enroll in a day at the BMW track in
> Greer.  It is a great time and you get to drive spiritedly on a track with
> some high-performance luxury sedans that will do more than you are capable
> of doing.  The 2 of you can share a car and rag on each other.  It is not
> cheap but it will do wonders for confidence and it is also fun as hell.
> >
> > --R
> >
> >> On 12/1/16 8:15 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
> >> I would actually prefer to enroll her in a driving course and improve
> that
> >> skill set.  May not happen anytime soon, but I'd be more comfortable in
> the
> >> long run with that solution.  I guess I'm the typical husband / male who
> >> thinks his spouse can't drive, yet I'm the one with the speeding tickets
> >> and the (few) fender-benders.
> >>
> >> My wife spent many of her adult driving years in southern Italy, a place
> >> where (it used to be) that stop lights and the lines on the road were
> >> purely for decoration and few wore seat-belts (wearing a seat-belt, I
> was
> >> told, was a sign of fear in the wearer.  Child safety seat for the
> little
> >> ones?  What a waste of money!).  Under stress, such a driver may revert
> to
> >> those habits, passing on left or right, on the shoulder or over the line
> >> into oncoming traffic, whatever it takes to get from A to B in an
> >> emergency.  That works great in Italy or in a war zone, and probably in
> >> many other parts of the world (Panama comes to mind, I've had some very
> >> scary rides in taxicabs in Panama City), but in the U.S. of A., other
> >> drivers just are not prepared for that type of behavior and some tend to
> >> get violently angry when someone else "breaks the rules" and gets ahead
> of
> >> them or inconveniences them in any way.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -
> >> Max
> >> Charleston SC
> >>
> >> On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 7:42 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> One word: 4Matic. (Well, I can powerslide my 1999 4Matic wagon, but I
> have
> >>> to
> >>> try. It takes a lot of wheelspin to annoy the 4Matic system to the
> point
> >>> that it
> >>> takes the throttle away from me)
> >>>
> >>> Mitch.
>  On November 30, 2016 at 9:38 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes
>   wrote:
> 
>  Too quick it turns out, put the car into a power slide and activated
> the
> >>> ASD.
>   Contacted me later, thought she'd broken the car when the ASD light
> >>> came on
>  for a bit.  Blames the car, not enough power she says.
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Re: [MBZ] Another Convert?

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

I couldn't do it with the spouse. I would end up a quivering mass of jelly.

I do think a day at Bondurant's defensive driving school at Sebring would be 
money well spent, however.

Dan

Sent from my iPad

> On Dec 1, 2016, at 10:10 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> For a Christmas present for you both enroll in a day at the BMW track in 
> Greer.  It is a great time and you get to drive spiritedly on a track with 
> some high-performance luxury sedans that will do more than you are capable of 
> doing.  The 2 of you can share a car and rag on each other.  It is not cheap 
> but it will do wonders for confidence and it is also fun as hell.
> 
> --R
> 
>> On 12/1/16 8:15 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
>> I would actually prefer to enroll her in a driving course and improve that
>> skill set.  May not happen anytime soon, but I'd be more comfortable in the
>> long run with that solution.  I guess I'm the typical husband / male who
>> thinks his spouse can't drive, yet I'm the one with the speeding tickets
>> and the (few) fender-benders.
>> 
>> My wife spent many of her adult driving years in southern Italy, a place
>> where (it used to be) that stop lights and the lines on the road were
>> purely for decoration and few wore seat-belts (wearing a seat-belt, I was
>> told, was a sign of fear in the wearer.  Child safety seat for the little
>> ones?  What a waste of money!).  Under stress, such a driver may revert to
>> those habits, passing on left or right, on the shoulder or over the line
>> into oncoming traffic, whatever it takes to get from A to B in an
>> emergency.  That works great in Italy or in a war zone, and probably in
>> many other parts of the world (Panama comes to mind, I've had some very
>> scary rides in taxicabs in Panama City), but in the U.S. of A., other
>> drivers just are not prepared for that type of behavior and some tend to
>> get violently angry when someone else "breaks the rules" and gets ahead of
>> them or inconveniences them in any way.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>> 
>> On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 7:42 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> One word: 4Matic. (Well, I can powerslide my 1999 4Matic wagon, but I have
>>> to
>>> try. It takes a lot of wheelspin to annoy the 4Matic system to the point
>>> that it
>>> takes the throttle away from me)
>>> 
>>> Mitch.
 On November 30, 2016 at 9:38 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes
  wrote:
 
 Too quick it turns out, put the car into a power slide and activated the
>>> ASD.
  Contacted me later, thought she'd broken the car when the ASD light
>>> came on
 for a bit.  Blames the car, not enough power she says.
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Re: [MBZ] Let the Martha'ing Begin!

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

You mean this:

http://www.mbpartsworld.com/showAssembly.aspx?ukey_assembly=1072694&ukey_make=1103&ukey_model=16069&modelYear=1982&ukey_category=24394

Dan

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> On Dec 1, 2016, at 9:44 AM, MG via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> How about the one thing I would love to find. The air filter unit for very 
> dusty conditions. Mounts on the right inner fender so no more air filter 
> mounts to break.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Another Convert?

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For a Christmas present for you both enroll in a day at the BMW track in 
Greer.  It is a great time and you get to drive spiritedly on a track 
with some high-performance luxury sedans that will do more than you are 
capable of doing.  The 2 of you can share a car and rag on each other.  
It is not cheap but it will do wonders for confidence and it is also fun 
as hell.


--R

On 12/1/16 8:15 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

I would actually prefer to enroll her in a driving course and improve that
skill set.  May not happen anytime soon, but I'd be more comfortable in the
long run with that solution.  I guess I'm the typical husband / male who
thinks his spouse can't drive, yet I'm the one with the speeding tickets
and the (few) fender-benders.

My wife spent many of her adult driving years in southern Italy, a place
where (it used to be) that stop lights and the lines on the road were
purely for decoration and few wore seat-belts (wearing a seat-belt, I was
told, was a sign of fear in the wearer.  Child safety seat for the little
ones?  What a waste of money!).  Under stress, such a driver may revert to
those habits, passing on left or right, on the shoulder or over the line
into oncoming traffic, whatever it takes to get from A to B in an
emergency.  That works great in Italy or in a war zone, and probably in
many other parts of the world (Panama comes to mind, I've had some very
scary rides in taxicabs in Panama City), but in the U.S. of A., other
drivers just are not prepared for that type of behavior and some tend to
get violently angry when someone else "breaks the rules" and gets ahead of
them or inconveniences them in any way.



-
Max
Charleston SC

On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 7:42 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


One word: 4Matic. (Well, I can powerslide my 1999 4Matic wagon, but I have
to
try. It takes a lot of wheelspin to annoy the 4Matic system to the point
that it
takes the throttle away from me)

Mitch.

On November 30, 2016 at 9:38 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes
 wrote:

Too quick it turns out, put the car into a power slide and activated the

ASD.

  Contacted me later, thought she'd broken the car when the ASD light

came on

for a bit.  Blames the car, not enough power she says.

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Re: [MBZ] Let the Martha'ing Begin!

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I'd think you might be able to find that in South Afrika.  The original 
Mercedes Veterans list, based in CH had several guys in SA on the list.  
One of them moved to OZ.  I think Henny was the last of our foreign members.



MG via Mercedes 
December 1, 2016 at 8:44 AM
How about the one thing I would love to find. The air filter unit for 
very dusty conditions. Mounts on the right inner fender so no more air 
filter mounts to break.


Manfred


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Re: [MBZ] Fl MiniQ

[MG via Mercedes]

Nope, trees all around, that's why you would need to be above 100 
by the end. An amusing story, I invited a friend over one time. 
He flies an ultralight just like I do, from a long paved runway 
at a local airplane community. He flew over along the runway and 
left, didn't land. When I called him to ask why he told me that 
my runway was to narrow (90') and short. For an ultralight? 
Really? It all depends on what you are comfortable with. With 
your plane I would probably be uncomfortable. With mine I'm in 
the air at 200 and at better then 300 by the end of the runway. 
That's good enough for me to turn around and have a good chance 
at getting down. I probably should try that when I get back to 
flying.


As for the trees, yep it's been a while since I've used it. Told 
myself I wouldn't fly till I got the dome done. It's taken a bit 
longer then I thought it would. Slight understatement there. I 
could have the trees out and ready to go in a week. Just give me 
the word.


The Dome is right there to the west of the runway nearer to the 
north end then the south. If the picture you see has some long 
poles sitting near it on the edge of the runway laying E-W then 
look real close at the E end of the poles and you can see a 
shadow of me standing there. Those are the poles that are now 
holding up the roof of the solar support structure.


Manfred


Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2016 17:28:49 -0600
From: OK Don 


I only need 800 feet, if the ends are clear (no trees, power 
lines, etc.).


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Re: [MBZ] Let the Martha'ing Begin!

[MG via Mercedes]

How about the one thing I would love to find. The air filter unit 
for very dusty conditions. Mounts on the right inner fender so no 
more air filter mounts to break.


Manfred

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Re: [MBZ] "84 300D eBay Auction

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Yes, but will they collect?

 I read something a while back about how a relatively high percentage of eBay 
car sales never actually close since it's rather simple to back out of the deal 
with no consequences.  Not sure how accurate that is, but my own experiences 
there led me to believe there's some truth to it.

Dan

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> wrote:
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> Check out the winning bid.
> 
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/222323420475?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
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Re: [MBZ] More differentials

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Again, while even if I have proof that fluids were done recently, I still do 
it. It's cheap insurance and again it gives you a point of reference you're 
absolutely sure is accurate.

It also forces you to look at and inspect stuff you might not necessarily look 
at otherwise.  The power steering filter in the 300D looked awful, and the 
fluid was dark. How many people even know there's a filter in the PS system?

Dan

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> On Dec 1, 2016, at 8:27 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> That's is what I am going to start doing.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 11:44 PM, clay via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I always change fluids when I get a fresh car.  Saves questions later
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 7:43 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> So it was probably like mine, out of sight out of mind and you never 
>>> checked the level or changed the oil like I am guilty of. One thing is 
>>> certain I am changing the diff oil in all my cars. Seems poos came up with 
>>> a pump or something to make it easier. 
>>> 
>>> I am also signing up for AAA
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Nov 30, 2016, at 9:40 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 Sudden, and it was dry.  Driving home from airport one night, was about 
 five miles out and then BANG and it started making awful noise.  I drove 
 it another ten miles slowly and then pulled over and called a tow.
 -- 
 Max Dillon
 Charleston SC
 '87 300TD
 '95 E300
 
> On November 30, 2016 10:17:25 PM EST, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
>  wrote:
> So what happened to yours? Was it all the sudden? Or was it making
> noise for a while? Was it dry or did it have plenty of oil in it?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 8:25 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, that was a couple years ago.  ASD made it special, in my '95
> sedan.  Car-part.com, place in Tennessee I think, $300 or so.  Paid my
> Indy another couple hundred to install it.
>> 
>> Dave M. made up a spreadsheet with all the differential variations,
> but I don't know if that included the 210 model.
>> -- 
>> Max Dillon
>> Charleston SC
>> '87 300TD
>> '95 E300
>> 
>>> On November 30, 2016 6:05:52 PM EST, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>>> Didn't Max munch a diff a few months back in his 300 dizzel?
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> 
 On 11/30/16 5:48 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
 Looks like it could be a 203 350 27 64
 
 Only $3000 from the Mothership. They also list a reman for $2165.
 
 Dan


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[MBZ] "84 300D eBay Auction

[Jon Agne via Mercedes]

Check out the winning bid.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/222323420475?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
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Re: [MBZ] More differentials

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

That's is what I am going to start doing.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 30, 2016, at 11:44 PM, clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> I always change fluids when I get a fresh car.  Saves questions later
> 
> clay
> 
> 
>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 7:43 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> So it was probably like mine, out of sight out of mind and you never checked 
>> the level or changed the oil like I am guilty of. One thing is certain I am 
>> changing the diff oil in all my cars. Seems poos came up with a pump or 
>> something to make it easier. 
>> 
>> I am also signing up for AAA
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 9:40 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Sudden, and it was dry.  Driving home from airport one night, was about 
>>> five miles out and then BANG and it started making awful noise.  I drove it 
>>> another ten miles slowly and then pulled over and called a tow.
>>> -- 
>>> Max Dillon
>>> Charleston SC
>>> '87 300TD
>>> '95 E300
>>> 
 On November 30, 2016 10:17:25 PM EST, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
  wrote:
 So what happened to yours? Was it all the sudden? Or was it making
 noise for a while? Was it dry or did it have plenty of oil in it?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Nov 30, 2016, at 8:25 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes
  wrote:
> 
> Yes, that was a couple years ago.  ASD made it special, in my '95
 sedan.  Car-part.com, place in Tennessee I think, $300 or so.  Paid my
 Indy another couple hundred to install it.
> 
> Dave M. made up a spreadsheet with all the differential variations,
 but I don't know if that included the 210 model.
> -- 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
> 
>> On November 30, 2016 6:05:52 PM EST, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
  wrote:
>> Didn't Max munch a diff a few months back in his 300 dizzel?
>> 
>> --FT
>> 
>>> On 11/30/16 5:48 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Looks like it could be a 203 350 27 64
>>> 
>>> Only $3000 from the Mothership. They also list a reman for $2165.
>>> 
>>> Dan
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Nov 30, 2016, at 5:31 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
 
 Since I am bored waiting for my ride can somebody look up the diff
>> for this 98 e300 and tell me what other cars have the same part?
>> Wanting to know if e320 is the same
 
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>> large or petty,
>> never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
>> Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming
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Re: [MBZ] More differentials

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

This is the pump I use for filling differentials. Makes filling them crazy 
simple:

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B00FJT0304/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Two fills and I'm done. The 300D took me all of maybe 10-15 minutes tops, not 
including the time I left it to drain.

Dan

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> On Nov 30, 2016, at 10:43 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> So it was probably like mine, out of sight out of mind and you never checked 
> the level or changed the oil like I am guilty of. One thing is certain I am 
> changing the diff oil in all my cars. Seems poos came up with a pump or 
> something to make it easier. 
> 
> I am also signing up for AAA
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 9:40 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Sudden, and it was dry.  Driving home from airport one night, was about five 
>> miles out and then BANG and it started making awful noise.  I drove it 
>> another ten miles slowly and then pulled over and called a tow.
>> -- 
>> Max Dillon
>> Charleston SC
>> '87 300TD
>> '95 E300
>> 
>>> On November 30, 2016 10:17:25 PM EST, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
>>>  wrote:
>>> So what happened to yours? Was it all the sudden? Or was it making
>>> noise for a while? Was it dry or did it have plenty of oil in it?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Nov 30, 2016, at 8:25 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes
  wrote:
 
 Yes, that was a couple years ago.  ASD made it special, in my '95
>>> sedan.  Car-part.com, place in Tennessee I think, $300 or so.  Paid my
>>> Indy another couple hundred to install it.
 
 Dave M. made up a spreadsheet with all the differential variations,
>>> but I don't know if that included the 210 model.
 -- 
 Max Dillon
 Charleston SC
 '87 300TD
 '95 E300
 
> On November 30, 2016 6:05:52 PM EST, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
>>>  wrote:
> Didn't Max munch a diff a few months back in his 300 dizzel?
> 
> --FT
> 
>> On 11/30/16 5:48 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> Looks like it could be a 203 350 27 64
>> 
>> Only $3000 from the Mothership. They also list a reman for $2165.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 5:31 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Since I am bored waiting for my ride can somebody look up the diff
> for this 98 e300 and tell me what other cars have the same part?
> Wanting to know if e320 is the same
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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 So it was probably like mine, out of sight out of mind and you never 
 checked the level or changed the oil like I am guilty of. One thing is 
 certain I am changing the diff oil in all my cars. Seems poos came up with 
 a pump or something to make it easier.
> 
> I am also signing up for AAA
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 9:40 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Sudden, and it was dry.  Driving home from airport one night, was about five 
>> miles out and then BANG and it started making awful noise.  I drove it 
>> another ten miles slowly and then pulled over and called a tow.
>> -- 
>> Max Dillon
>> Charleston SC
>> '87 300TD
>> '95 E300
>> 
>>> On November 30, 2016 10:17:25 PM EST, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
>>>  wrote:
>>> So what happened to yours? Was it all the sudden? Or was it making
>>> noise for a while? Was it dry or did it have plenty of oil in it?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Nov 30, 2016, at 8:25 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes
  wrote:
 
 Yes, that was a couple years ago.  ASD made it special, in my '95
>>> sedan.  Car-part.com, place in Tennessee I think, $300 or so.  Paid my
>>> Indy another couple hundred to install it.
 
 Dave M. made up a spreadsheet with all the differential variations,
>>> but I don't know if that included the 210 model.
 -- 
 Max Dillon
 Charleston SC
 '87 300TD
 '95 E300
 
> On November 30, 2016 6:05:52 PM EST, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
>>>  wrote:
> Didn't Max munch a diff a few months back in his 300 dizzel?
> 
> --FT
> 
>> On 11/30/16 5:48 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> Looks like it could be a 203 350 27 64
>> 
>> Only $3000 from the Mothership. They also list a reman for $2165.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 5:31 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Since I am bored waiting for my ride can somebody look up the diff
> for this 98 e300 and tell me what other cars have the same part?
> Wanting to know if e320 is the same
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Another Convert?

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

I would actually prefer to enroll her in a driving course and improve that
skill set.  May not happen anytime soon, but I'd be more comfortable in the
long run with that solution.  I guess I'm the typical husband / male who
thinks his spouse can't drive, yet I'm the one with the speeding tickets
and the (few) fender-benders.

My wife spent many of her adult driving years in southern Italy, a place
where (it used to be) that stop lights and the lines on the road were
purely for decoration and few wore seat-belts (wearing a seat-belt, I was
told, was a sign of fear in the wearer.  Child safety seat for the little
ones?  What a waste of money!).  Under stress, such a driver may revert to
those habits, passing on left or right, on the shoulder or over the line
into oncoming traffic, whatever it takes to get from A to B in an
emergency.  That works great in Italy or in a war zone, and probably in
many other parts of the world (Panama comes to mind, I've had some very
scary rides in taxicabs in Panama City), but in the U.S. of A., other
drivers just are not prepared for that type of behavior and some tend to
get violently angry when someone else "breaks the rules" and gets ahead of
them or inconveniences them in any way.



-
Max
Charleston SC

On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 7:42 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> One word: 4Matic. (Well, I can powerslide my 1999 4Matic wagon, but I have
> to
> try. It takes a lot of wheelspin to annoy the 4Matic system to the point
> that it
> takes the throttle away from me)
>
> Mitch.
> > On November 30, 2016 at 9:38 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> >
> > Too quick it turns out, put the car into a power slide and activated the
> ASD.
> >  Contacted me later, thought she'd broken the car when the ASD light
> came on
> > for a bit.  Blames the car, not enough power she says.
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Re: [MBZ] Anyone want a 300SEL 4.5?

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On November 30, 2016 at 9:12 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> The Original WWII willys jeep was oversquare, and torquey.  Not much hp, 
> but stump pulling gears and torque.
> 
> High HP/cc engines tend to have low torque.

Undersquare, very undersquare, bore was an inch and a quarter less than the
stroke:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willys_Go_Devil_engine

Displacement134.2 cu in (2,199 cc; 2.199 L)
Cylinder bore   3.125 in (79.4 mm)
Piston stroke   4.375 in (111.1 mm)

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Re: [MBZ] More differentials

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

99 Auto Dismantler in Stockton has one from an undisclosed '98 E class for $200.
Black Diamond Auto Wrecking in Washington has a 97 diesel for $200.
Moraine Auto Parts & Service in Ohio has a 96 diesel, no price. 
Mitch. 
> On November 30, 2016 at 9:25 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Yes, that was a couple years ago.  ASD made it special, in my '95 sedan.
>  Car-part.com, place in Tennessee I think, $300 or so.  Paid my Indy another
> couple hundred to install it.
> 
> Dave M. made up a spreadsheet with all the differential variations, but I
> don't know if that included the 210 model.
> -- 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
> 
> On November 30, 2016 6:05:52 PM EST, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> >Didn't Max munch a diff a few months back in his 300 dizzel?
> >
> >--FT
> >
> >On 11/30/16 5:48 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> >> Looks like it could be a 203 350 27 64
> >>
> >> Only $3000 from the Mothership. They also list a reman for $2165.
> >>
> >> Dan
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 5:31 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
> > wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Since I am bored waiting for my ride can somebody look up the diff
> >for this 98 e300 and tell me what other cars have the same part?
> >Wanting to know if e320 is the same
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Another Convert?

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

One word: 4Matic. (Well, I can powerslide my 1999 4Matic wagon, but I have to
try. It takes a lot of wheelspin to annoy the 4Matic system to the point that it
takes the throttle away from me)

Mitch. 
> On November 30, 2016 at 9:38 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> Too quick it turns out, put the car into a power slide and activated the ASD.
>  Contacted me later, thought she'd broken the car when the ASD light came on
> for a bit.  Blames the car, not enough power she says.

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Re: [MBZ] More differentials

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Absolutely. Gives me a point of reference so I know for sure when fluids are 
due and exactly what fluids are in it.

Dan

> On Dec 1, 2016, at 12:44 AM, clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> I always change fluids when I get a fresh car.  Saves questions later
> 
> clay
> 
> 
>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 7:43 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> So it was probably like mine, out of sight out of mind and you never checked 
>> the level or changed the oil like I am guilty of. One thing is certain I am 
>> changing the diff oil in all my cars. Seems poos came up with a pump or 
>> something to make it easier. 
>> 
>> I am also signing up for AAA
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 30, 2016, at 9:40 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Sudden, and it was dry.  Driving home from airport one night, was about 
>>> five miles out and then BANG and it started making awful noise.  I drove it 
>>> another ten miles slowly and then pulled over and called a tow.
>>> -- 
>>> Max Dillon
>>> Charleston SC
>>> '87 300TD
>>> '95 E300
>>> 
 On November 30, 2016 10:17:25 PM EST, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
  wrote:
 So what happened to yours? Was it all the sudden? Or was it making
 noise for a while? Was it dry or did it have plenty of oil in it?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Nov 30, 2016, at 8:25 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes
  wrote:
> 
> Yes, that was a couple years ago.  ASD made it special, in my '95
 sedan.  Car-part.com, place in Tennessee I think, $300 or so.  Paid my
 Indy another couple hundred to install it.
> 
> Dave M. made up a spreadsheet with all the differential variations,
 but I don't know if that included the 210 model.
> -- 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
> 
>> On November 30, 2016 6:05:52 PM EST, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
  wrote:
>> Didn't Max munch a diff a few months back in his 300 dizzel?
>> 
>> --FT
>> 
>>> On 11/30/16 5:48 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Looks like it could be a 203 350 27 64
>>> 
>>> Only $3000 from the Mothership. They also list a reman for $2165.
>>> 
>>> Dan
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Nov 30, 2016, at 5:31 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
 
 Since I am bored waiting for my ride can somebody look up the diff
>> f


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