Re: [MBZ] Okie Acres Miami?

[clay via Mercedes]

He could set up a spot in the Everglades.  That is pretty rural, and gators 
make good watch dogs

clay

> On Jun 30, 2017, at 4:55 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Look at it as a great opportunity to start building a new collection of MB on 
> the east coast!
> 
> We'll visit you at Christmas, coming and going from a cruise.  You can take a 
> lot of cruises from Miami.
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> 
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>> We just had an opening for a manager in Miami. My wife would want me to
>> take it. I'm not so sure.
>> 
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[MBZ] compressor screen

[clay via Mercedes]

yes please

Not sure I will open up the w126, but will need to for r107



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Re: [MBZ] Car for Jaime

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Headlight doors  URO only, for Bosch prices.


Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
July 1, 2017 at 8:59 PM
I don't find it to be so bad... what can't you get?


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Re: [MBZ] Car for Jaime

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

A radiator for a 300sdl for starters. There are a lot of 124 parts that are nla 
also. 

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> On Jul 1, 2017, at 8:59 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
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> 
> I don't find it to be so bad... what can't you get?
> 
> On Sat, Jul 1, 2017 at 9:51 PM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
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> 
>> The thing that really pissed me off about MB these days is the lack
>> availability of what should be common parts for older models. The big deal
>> used to be you could get just about any part for any old car.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 1, 2017, at 7:51 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Which means they will be completely out of touch with North America.
>> They may as well move to Lower Slobovia, for all the contact they will have
>> with North Americans.
>>> 
>>> Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes wrote:
 MBRDNA... our work is moving to Long
 Beach, CA.
>>> 
>>> That means the MB cars will continue to get more removed from the
>> reliable cars we used to get.
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Re: [MBZ] Car for Jaime

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

I don't find it to be so bad... what can't you get?

On Sat, Jul 1, 2017 at 9:51 PM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The thing that really pissed me off about MB these days is the lack
> availability of what should be common parts for older models. The big deal
> used to be you could get just about any part for any old car.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Jul 1, 2017, at 7:51 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Which means they will be completely out of touch with North America.
> They may as well move to Lower Slobovia, for all the contact they will have
> with North Americans.
> >
> > Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes wrote:
> >> MBRDNA... our work is moving to Long
> >> Beach, CA.
> >
> > That means the MB cars will continue to get more removed from the
> reliable cars we used to get.
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Re: [MBZ] Car for Jaime

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

The thing that really pissed me off about MB these days is the lack 
availability of what should be common parts for older models. The big deal used 
to be you could get just about any part for any old car.

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> On Jul 1, 2017, at 7:51 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Which means they will be completely out of touch with North America.  They 
> may as well move to Lower Slobovia, for all the contact they will have with 
> North Americans.
> 
> Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes wrote:
>> MBRDNA... our work is moving to Long
>> Beach, CA.
> 
> That means the MB cars will continue to get more removed from the reliable 
> cars we used to get.
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Re: [MBZ] OT Diesel Truck

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

*Chacun a son gout. * I have over 100 tomato plants.

On Sat, Jul 1, 2017 at 2:40 PM, fmiser via Mercedes 
wrote:

> > > G wrote:
> > >
> > > I currently own 4 of them.
>
> > Andrew wrote:
>
> > One wonders why Grant owns at least four trucks.
>
> You might wonder.  I don't.  I find it sensible.
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Re: [MBZ] Car for Jaime

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Not to mention Long Beach is a hole.  How many towns in major cities are there 
where can you live next to a working oil well?

I mentioned the thing about Jersey, as I was surprised when I took a field trip 
from a customer’s place in Union and went to visit a friend who lived in 
Neshanic. I had no idea.  I was of the impression that New Jersey was a heavily 
industrialized place that was shabby and smelly.  What was even more amazing 
was that you didn’t have to go that far to get into the boonies.

-D
   
> On Jul 1, 2017, at 8:42 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> You got it Dan, the life I have here in NJ wouldn't be possible for
> anything near the same income in reasonable commuting distance from Long
> Beach, CA... and its not exactly cheap here!  Add that NJ is my home, where
> both my wife and I grew up and our families still live... the decision was
> easy.
> 
> And yeah, its somewhat rural here.  I live just on the edge of it.  We
> actually have no traffic lights in town and its 18 square miles.  You can
> go west from here and hit Pennsylvania in less than an hour and travel
> nothing but two lane country roads, passing a reasonable number of
> operating farms along the way.  Just to the east is Morristown, with a
> train to NYC, theater, restaurants, etc and access to the Interstate in
> between I80 and I78... as you go further east, population density increases
> significantly until you hit New York City, which is just about 35 miles
> away.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Listed my green '77 240D on CL

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But very CUTE!  :)

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> Typical Craigslist only 1 photo ad.
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> > https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/cto/6199917417.html
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Re: [MBZ] Car for Jaime

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Which means they will be completely out of touch with North America.  
They may as well move to Lower Slobovia, for all the contact they will 
have with North Americans.


Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes wrote:

MBRDNA... our work is moving to Long
Beach, CA.


That means the MB cars will continue to get more removed from the 
reliable cars we used to get.


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Re: [MBZ] Car for Jaime

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

You got it Dan, the life I have here in NJ wouldn't be possible for
anything near the same income in reasonable commuting distance from Long
Beach, CA... and its not exactly cheap here!  Add that NJ is my home, where
both my wife and I grew up and our families still live... the decision was
easy.

And yeah, its somewhat rural here.  I live just on the edge of it.  We
actually have no traffic lights in town and its 18 square miles.  You can
go west from here and hit Pennsylvania in less than an hour and travel
nothing but two lane country roads, passing a reasonable number of
operating farms along the way.  Just to the east is Morristown, with a
train to NYC, theater, restaurants, etc and access to the Interstate in
between I80 and I78... as you go further east, population density increases
significantly until you hit New York City, which is just about 35 miles
away.

Jaime


On Sat, Jul 1, 2017 at 2:02 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Not to go to Long Beach. Trust me, New Jersey is heaven compared to Long
> Beach.  And I’m betting you haven’t seen the parts of New Jersey where
> Jaime lives.  It’s not a lot different from rural areas around you - quite
> pastoral.  Most people picture Jersey as the nasty industrialized areas
> around NYC or Philly - most of the state is quite nice, but few get past
> the ugly parts.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Jul 1, 2017, at 1:55 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> On July 1, 2017 at 1:30 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> You don't want to move to CA?
> >
> > Normally, I wouldn't want to move to Los Angeles, but I could certainly
> make an exception if it got me out of New Jersey.
> >
> > Mitch
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Re: [MBZ] Today's history lesson

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Hear Here!

Mountain Man via Mercedes 
July 1, 2017 at 2:41 PM

“Every man in this House knows it is not a debt. We cannot, without
the grossest corruption, appropriate this money as the payment of a
debt. We have not the semblance of authority to appropriate it as a
charity. Mr. Speaker, I have said we have the right to give as much
money of our own as we please. I am the poorest man on this floor. I
cannot vote for this bill, but I will give one week’s pay to the
object, and, if every member of Congress will do the same, it will
amount to more than the bill asks.


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Re: [MBZ] W126 AC Rebuild

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Sort of. Rebuilding the major hose assembly was half the cost of new.  They 
could have rebuilt the others, but I don’t think it would have been as cost 
effective.  New compressor cost me about $225 including an expansion valve and 
receiver/dryer.

But I’ve got a hard stop now…

Poop.

Looks like I'm done until Monday.  I got the compressor out and everything 
swapped over to the new compressor.  I was sighting the manifold that I had 
rebuilt by my local industrial hose place and thought, "Gee, that fitting to 
the condenser doesn't look right."

That's because they assembled the new hose with the fitting to the condenser 
off by 180 degrees.  Dang it!

So I've got a hard stop until I can take it back to them and get it fixed.  
They'll have to cut the crimp off, rotate the fitting, and recrimp it.  Not a 
big deal to do, but it really sucks as I was just about to close up the system 
and start pulling a vacuum.

So the thread will be suspended until Monday, I guess. Good thing I took the 
day off.

-D


> On Jul 1, 2017, at 5:10 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> So hoses are as much as a new compressor, even using a local rebuild shop.  
> -- 
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> Charleston SC
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> '95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] W126 AC Rebuild

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

So hoses are as much as a new compressor, even using a local rebuild shop.  
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On July 1, 2017 4:42:42 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
wrote:
>New from receiver/dryer to expansion valve, expansion valve to fitting
>on false firewall.  Total was about $170 new from Mercedes.  Manifold
>that connects to the compressor has two hoses on it, had the whole
>thing rebuilt at Amazon Hose here in Tampa and it cost me $150.  It
>goes from fitting on false firewall to compressor, compressor to
>condenser.  New assembly from Mercedes would have been about $320 my
>cost and the only one they had was in Germany, so it would have been a
>week to get it.  Amazon rebuilt my hose in a day.
>
>Hose from condenser to receiver/dryer was included with condenser.
>
>So all hoses have been replaced with new barrier style hose.  All new O
>rings, of course, too.
>
>-D
>
>
>> On Jul 1, 2017, at 4:36 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes
> wrote:
>> 
>> Did you end up purchasing new AC hoses, or did you get one rebuilt?
>If
>> rebuilt, what was the price?
>> 
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>> 
>> On Sat, Jul 1, 2017 at 4:33 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Parallel flow condenser is installed and radiator is back in.  Gotta
>>> connect up the hoses and it will be done.
>>> 
>>> Aux fan arrangement is a little sketchy, but I think it will work
>out OK
>>> as soon as I get some more fasteners for the fan shroud of the aux
>fans.
>>> 
>>> After this, compressor swap!
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Today's history lesson

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

I did get that part in!
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On July 1, 2017 4:45:13 PM EDT, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>"You may all go to Hell, and I shall go to Texas"
>
>--DC
>
>--FT
>
>
>On 7/1/17 4:35 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
>> Thanks for posting that!  Last night my daughter asked "What was the
>Alamo,
>> and why should we remember it?" which opened the door to nice little
>> history lesson which included Davy Crockett.  I didn't get around to
>the
>> story above, saving that for when she has a little better grasp of
>money
>> and government.
>>
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 1, 2017 at 3:41 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>>> “Mr. Speaker — I have as much respect for the memory of the
>deceased,
>>> and as much sympathy for the suffering of the living, if suffering
>>> there be, as any man in this house, but we must not permit our
>respect
>>> for the dead or our sympathy for a part of the living to lead us
>into
>>> an act of injustice to the balance of the living.
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>large or petty,
>never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
>Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might
>of the enemy.”
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Re: [MBZ] W126 AC Rebuild

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

We need a parts list and instruction manual for this job.

--FT


On 7/1/17 4:42 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

New from receiver/dryer to expansion valve, expansion valve to fitting on false 
firewall.  Total was about $170 new from Mercedes.  Manifold that connects to 
the compressor has two hoses on it, had the whole thing rebuilt at Amazon Hose 
here in Tampa and it cost me $150.  It goes from fitting on false firewall to 
compressor, compressor to condenser.  New assembly from Mercedes would have 
been about $320 my cost and the only one they had was in Germany, so it would 
have been a week to get it.  Amazon rebuilt my hose in a day.

Hose from condenser to receiver/dryer was included with condenser.

So all hoses have been replaced with new barrier style hose.  All new O rings, 
of course, too.

-D



On Jul 1, 2017, at 4:36 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes  
wrote:

Did you end up purchasing new AC hoses, or did you get one rebuilt? If
rebuilt, what was the price?

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Sat, Jul 1, 2017 at 4:33 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Parallel flow condenser is installed and radiator is back in.  Gotta
connect up the hoses and it will be done.

Aux fan arrangement is a little sketchy, but I think it will work out OK
as soon as I get some more fasteners for the fan shroud of the aux fans.

After this, compressor swap!



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petty,
never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
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Re: [MBZ] Today's history lesson

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

"You may all go to Hell, and I shall go to Texas"

   --DC

--FT


On 7/1/17 4:35 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

Thanks for posting that!  Last night my daughter asked "What was the Alamo,
and why should we remember it?" which opened the door to nice little
history lesson which included Davy Crockett.  I didn't get around to the
story above, saving that for when she has a little better grasp of money
and government.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Sat, Jul 1, 2017 at 3:41 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


“Mr. Speaker — I have as much respect for the memory of the deceased,
and as much sympathy for the suffering of the living, if suffering
there be, as any man in this house, but we must not permit our respect
for the dead or our sympathy for a part of the living to lead us into
an act of injustice to the balance of the living.


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petty,
never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
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Re: [MBZ] W126 AC Rebuild

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

New from receiver/dryer to expansion valve, expansion valve to fitting on false 
firewall.  Total was about $170 new from Mercedes.  Manifold that connects to 
the compressor has two hoses on it, had the whole thing rebuilt at Amazon Hose 
here in Tampa and it cost me $150.  It goes from fitting on false firewall to 
compressor, compressor to condenser.  New assembly from Mercedes would have 
been about $320 my cost and the only one they had was in Germany, so it would 
have been a week to get it.  Amazon rebuilt my hose in a day.

Hose from condenser to receiver/dryer was included with condenser.

So all hoses have been replaced with new barrier style hose.  All new O rings, 
of course, too.

-D


> On Jul 1, 2017, at 4:36 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Did you end up purchasing new AC hoses, or did you get one rebuilt? If
> rebuilt, what was the price?
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> On Sat, Jul 1, 2017 at 4:33 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Parallel flow condenser is installed and radiator is back in.  Gotta
>> connect up the hoses and it will be done.
>> 
>> Aux fan arrangement is a little sketchy, but I think it will work out OK
>> as soon as I get some more fasteners for the fan shroud of the aux fans.
>> 
>> After this, compressor swap!
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] W126 AC Rebuild

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Hopefully you got some pics 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 1, 2017, at 3:33 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Parallel flow condenser is installed and radiator is back in.  Gotta connect 
> up the hoses and it will be done.
> 
> Aux fan arrangement is a little sketchy, but I think it will work out OK as 
> soon as I get some more fasteners for the fan shroud of the aux fans.
> 
> After this, compressor swap!
> 
> -D
> 
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Re: [MBZ] W126 AC Rebuild

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Did you end up purchasing new AC hoses, or did you get one rebuilt? If
rebuilt, what was the price?

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Sat, Jul 1, 2017 at 4:33 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Parallel flow condenser is installed and radiator is back in.  Gotta
> connect up the hoses and it will be done.
>
> Aux fan arrangement is a little sketchy, but I think it will work out OK
> as soon as I get some more fasteners for the fan shroud of the aux fans.
>
> After this, compressor swap!
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Today's history lesson

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Thanks for posting that!  Last night my daughter asked "What was the Alamo,
and why should we remember it?" which opened the door to nice little
history lesson which included Davy Crockett.  I didn't get around to the
story above, saving that for when she has a little better grasp of money
and government.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Sat, Jul 1, 2017 at 3:41 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> “Mr. Speaker — I have as much respect for the memory of the deceased,
> and as much sympathy for the suffering of the living, if suffering
> there be, as any man in this house, but we must not permit our respect
> for the dead or our sympathy for a part of the living to lead us into
> an act of injustice to the balance of the living.
>
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Re: [MBZ] W126 AC Rebuild

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Parallel flow condenser is installed and radiator is back in.  Gotta connect up 
the hoses and it will be done.

Aux fan arrangement is a little sketchy, but I think it will work out OK as 
soon as I get some more fasteners for the fan shroud of the aux fans.

After this, compressor swap!

-D


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Re: [MBZ] Today's history lesson

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“Mr. Speaker — I have as much respect for the memory of the deceased,
and as much sympathy for the suffering of the living, if suffering
there be, as any man in this house, but we must not permit our respect
for the dead or our sympathy for a part of the living to lead us into
an act of injustice to the balance of the living. I will not go into
an argument to prove that Congress has no power to appropriate this
money as an act of charity. Every member upon this floor knows it. We
have the right, as individuals, to give away as much of our own money
as we please in charity; but as members of Congress we have no right
so to appropriate a dollar of the public money. Some eloquent appeals
have been made to us upon the ground that it is a debt due the
deceased. Mr. Speaker, the deceased lived long after the close of the
war; he was in office to the day of his death, and I have never heard
that the government was in arrears to him.
“Every man in this House knows it is not a debt. We cannot, without
the grossest corruption, appropriate this money as the payment of a
debt. We have not the semblance of authority to appropriate it as a
charity. Mr. Speaker, I have said we have the right to give as much
money of our own as we please. I am the poorest man on this floor. I
cannot vote for this bill, but I will give one week’s pay to the
object, and, if every member of Congress will do the same, it will
amount to more than the bill asks.
“He took his seat. Nobody replied. The bill was put upon its passage,
and, instead of passing unanimously, as was generally supposed, and
as, no doubt, it would, but for that speech, it received but few
votes, and of course, was lost.
“Later, when asked by a friend why he had opposed the appropriation,
Crockett gave this explanation:
“Several years ago I was one evening standing on the steps of the
Capitol with some other members of Congress, when our attention was
attracted by a great light over in Georgetown. It was evidently a
large fire. We jumped into a hack and drove over as fast as we could.
In spite of all that could be done, many houses were burned and many
families made homeless, and, besides, some of them had lost all but
the clothes they had on. The weather was very cold, and when I saw so
many women and children suffering, I felt that something ought to be
one for them. The next morning a bill was introduced appropriating
$20,000 for their relief. We put aside all other business and rushed
it through as soon as it could be done.
“The next summer, when it began to be time to think about the
election, I concluded I would take a scout around among the boys of my
district. I had no opposition there, but, as the election was some
time off, I did not know what might turn up. When riding one day in a
part of my district in which I was more a stranger than any other, I
saw a man in a field plowing and coming toward the road. I gauged my
gait so that we should meet as he came to the fence. As he came up, I
spoke to the man. He replied politely, but, as I thought, rather
coldly.
“I began: ‘Well, friend, I am one of those unfortunate beings called
candidates, and–‘
” ‘Yes, I know you; you are Colonel Crockett. I have seen you once
before, and voted for you the last time you were elected. I suppose
you are out electioneering now, but you had better not waste your time
or mine. I shall not vote for you again.’
“This was a sockdolager… I begged him to tell me what was the matter.
” ‘Well, Colonel, it is hardly worth-while to waste time or words upon
it. I do not see how it can be mended, but you gave a vote last winter
which shows that either you have not capacity to understand the
Constitution, or that you are wanting in the honesty and firmness to
be guided by it. In either case you are not the man to represent me.
But I beg your pardon for expressing it in that way. I did not intend
to avail myself of the privilege of the constituent to speak plainly
to a candidate for the purpose of insulting or wounding you. I
intended by it only to say that your understanding of the Constitution
is very different from mine; and I will say to you what, but for my
rudeness, I should not have said, that I believe you to be honest….But
an understanding of the Constitution different from mine I cannot
overlook, because the Constitution, to be worth anything, must be held
sacred, and rigidly observed in all its provisions. The man who wields
power and misinterprets it is the more dangerous the more honest he
is.’
“I admit the truth of all you say, but there must be some mistake
about it, for I do not remember that I gave any vote last winter upon
any Constitutional question.
” ‘No, Colonel, there’s no mistake. Though I live here in the
backwoods and seldom go from home, I take the papers from Washington
and read very carefully all the proceedings in Congress. My papers say
that last winter you voted for a bill to appropriate $20,000 to some
suffers by a fire in Georgetown. Is that true?’
“Well, my friend

[MBZ] Today's history lesson

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Independence Day is an annual opportunity to reflect on the unique 
founding and blessed history of our great nation. The parades, picnics, 
baseball games, apple pies, and fireworks displays are like a national 
family reunion, reminding us of our shared heritage as American citizens.
In many ways, we are the beneficiaries of sacrifices made by great men 
and women who went before us.  The signers of the Declaration, and the 
framers of the Constitution, understood that they were establishing a 
new model with no guarantee of success. It has been the duty of each 
subsequent generation to embrace the sacrifices required to preserve the 
benefits for those who would come behind.
Leaning on each other, and looking to God for direction, the Founders 
crafted a system that empowers people to govern themselves, enables 
individuals to follow their dreams, and that enshrines liberty for all. 
America was founded on enduring principles that are strong enough to 
withstand even our deepest political and ideological divisions, unless 
we abandon the foundation itself.
The future prosperity and tranquility of America falls to each of us, 
just as it has for every generation before us. It was George Washington 
 
who asserted that the federal government "can never be in danger of 
degenerating into a monarchy, an oligarchy, an aristocracy, or any other 
despotic or oppressive form so long as there shall remain any virtue in 
the body of the people."
The notes of Dr. James McHenry 
, 
who was a delegate to the Constitutional Convention of 1787, quote 
Benjamin Franklin responding to a question about the type of government 
we have here in America. According to Franklin, we have "a republic... 
*/if you can keep it/*."
Even as we celebrate this week, let's recommit to doing our part to 
preserve the republic for future generations.

Happy Independence Day!

*Bryan English*
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Re: [MBZ] big oil dying (again)

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Can I get an "AMEN?"


fmiser via Mercedes 
July 1, 2017 at 1:50 PM


Karl wrote:



Let me get this straight. You are saying the NIH should not be
funding biomedical research, because of a document written in
the 18th century?


YES!

No matter when it was written, it is a legally binding contract.
It CANNOT be ignored at the whim of anyone.

It includes provisions for how to change it should times change
and make portions irrelevant.  But in is mostly to manage humans -
and they are just as human today as they were when the Greek
cities began banding together.



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Re: [MBZ] Car for Jaime

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

You got Knapheide right.  Used to build farm wagons in Quincy, IL while 
Mark Twain was alive.  The Quincy plant has grown a LOT in the last 20 
years.  It appears to be a well run company.



Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
July 1, 2017 at 10:09 AM
DBAG are opening the new Sprinter plant here soon and I saw in this 
morning's paper that Knapheide (sp?) are opening a plant next door to 
outfit them as work vans so it is attracting other manufacturing and 
suppliers.  I saw a German couple at Costco the other evening, the guy 
was wearing a Mercedes shirt I wanted...


--FT



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Re: [MBZ] big oil dying (again)

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I see the reality.  Just drove by a huge concrete plant in the middle of 
nothing but fields.  Then I saw a driveway freshly cut into a field, 
them more of them. Soon dozens of these fields look like crop circles 
where they are going to plant hundreds of new wind turbines paid for 
with billions of dollars taken from taxpayers at gunpoint.  I think this 
is the MidAmerican project I spoke of earlier, where the CEO freely 
admitted it is all paid for by taxpayers.



Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
July 1, 2017 at 9:46 AM
"Curley" lives in the no. 1 wind power state. How come you're so
anti-renewable?


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Re: [MBZ] big oil dying (again)

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> > > Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:
> > >
> > > The federal government spends money on lots of things that
> > > are not immediately profitable. That is pretty much the role
> > > of the governmen

> > Curley wrote:
> > 
> > Please quote to me the part of the constitution that empowers
> > the federal goobermnt to do this?
> > 
> > "All powers not specifically granted in the Constitution, are
> >  reserved by the Citizens, or are granted by the Citizens to
> >  their State, County or City."

> Karl wrote:

> Let me get this straight. You are saying the NIH should not be
> funding biomedical research, because of a document written in
> the 18th century?

YES!

No matter when it was written, it is a legally binding contract.
It CANNOT be ignored at the whim of anyone.

It includes provisions for how to change it should times change
and make portions irrelevant.  But in is mostly to manage humans -
and they are just as human today as they were when the Greek
cities began banding together.

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Re: [MBZ] OT Diesel Truck

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> > G wrote:
> >
> > I currently own 4 of them. 

> Andrew wrote:

> One wonders why Grant owns at least four trucks.

You might wonder.  I don't.  I find it sensible.


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Re: [MBZ] Car for Jaime

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Not to go to Long Beach. Trust me, New Jersey is heaven compared to Long Beach. 
 And I’m betting you haven’t seen the parts of New Jersey where Jaime lives.  
It’s not a lot different from rural areas around you - quite pastoral.  Most 
people picture Jersey as the nasty industrialized areas around NYC or Philly - 
most of the state is quite nice, but few get past the ugly parts.

-D


> On Jul 1, 2017, at 1:55 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On July 1, 2017 at 1:30 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> You don't want to move to CA?
> 
> Normally, I wouldn't want to move to Los Angeles, but I could certainly make 
> an exception if it got me out of New Jersey. 
> 
> Mitch
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Re: [MBZ] Buyer's Remorse, or How My Flip Flopped

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Yes, but the question is, and you should know this all too well, did he 
consider all of his acquisition costs, such as the flight, expense to drive 
back, the repairs he had to make (and I know he took it to at least one shop 
for repairs) as well as replacing a tire?

I’m betting he didn’t.

If you go to the show he’ll probably be driving his Porsche 914, the only car 
he’s owned forever.  Should be easy to pick him out.

-D





> On Jul 1, 2017, at 12:18 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On June 23, 2017 at 11:20 AM Dan--- via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I don't think he is flakey, I think he's a hard core flipper who just got 
>> caught upside down due to his own ignorance.  It's bound to happen.
> 
> Well, his flip didn't flop too badly. 
> 
> Jun 29 at 7:30 PM
> Vitaminc914 237
> 
> @Copinz the car sold last week. I lost $56 and it went to a retired professor 
> who just gave up his 500k mile benz. He was happy to take it and I was happy 
> to sell it.
> 
> 
> And he told BAT about a car show between me and Kalamazoo that I think I'll 
> attend next Saturday:
> http://www.mlive.com/wayland/index.ssf/2017/06/gilmore_car_museum_hosting_six.html
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Re: [MBZ] Car for Jaime

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> On July 1, 2017 at 1:30 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> You don't want to move to CA?

Normally, I wouldn't want to move to Los Angeles, but I could certainly make an 
exception if it got me out of New Jersey. 

Mitch

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Re: [MBZ] OT Diesel Truck

[G Mann via Mercedes]

The question, properly put, is One wonders why Grant owns "Only" 4
diesel pickup trucks down from 6 two years ago.

Then there is the rest of the fleet.


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> One wonders why Grant owns at least four trucks.
>
> On Sat, Jul 1, 2017 at 2:23 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > >
> > > IMHO Ford 6.9 / 7.3 engine trucks [engine is actually built by
> > International
> > > btw] are the Mercedes diesel of the truck world... Mechanical
> everything,
> > > no computer to fail, you need one 12 volt wire to energize the fuel
> > > solenoid at the IP... and you can push them off a hill to start, if
> > > you have to.
> >
> >
> > Exact same thing can be said of the 12V Cummins in the Dodge.  And if you
> > don't have any electricity, I think you can use a zip tie to hold the
> fuel
> > solenoid on so it'll run.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Car for Jaime

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You don't want to move to CA?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 1, 2017, at 11:44 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Sort of, but not completely.  MBUSA moved parts of their operations to
> Atlanta.  I don't work for MBUSA, but MBRDNA... our work is moving to Long
> Beach, CA.
> 
> Jaime
> 
> 
> On Sat, Jul 1, 2017 at 11:34 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Is it because they have moved everything to Atlanta? Being away from
>> family is no good.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 1, 2017, at 9:46 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm still employed through the end of July... I just turned down an offer
>>> from MB to stay.  It would have involved a huge amount of travel and time
>>> away from the family, with little opportunity to advancement without
>>> relocation.  I turned the offer down on Monday and they came back and
>> asked
>>> me to stay until the end of July to finish up some projects.  So, I'll be
>>> unemployed in August.  Looking forward to the break, but its sad to leave
>>> Mercedes.
>>> 
>>> Jaime
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Jul 1, 2017 at 10:19 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 If it doesn't have any rust that is a pretty decent deal. Jaime can't
>> but
 it though because he is unemployed or something.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Jul 1, 2017, at 6:54 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> Time for Jaime to bottom feed:
> 
> https://newjersey.craigslist.org/cto/6199879207.html
> 
> -D
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Re: [MBZ] Car for Jaime

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

Sort of, but not completely.  MBUSA moved parts of their operations to
Atlanta.  I don't work for MBUSA, but MBRDNA... our work is moving to Long
Beach, CA.

Jaime


On Sat, Jul 1, 2017 at 11:34 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Is it because they have moved everything to Atlanta? Being away from
> family is no good.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 1, 2017, at 9:46 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I'm still employed through the end of July... I just turned down an offer
> > from MB to stay.  It would have involved a huge amount of travel and time
> > away from the family, with little opportunity to advancement without
> > relocation.  I turned the offer down on Monday and they came back and
> asked
> > me to stay until the end of July to finish up some projects.  So, I'll be
> > unemployed in August.  Looking forward to the break, but its sad to leave
> > Mercedes.
> >
> > Jaime
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Jul 1, 2017 at 10:19 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> If it doesn't have any rust that is a pretty decent deal. Jaime can't
> but
> >> it though because he is unemployed or something.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Listed my green '77 240D on CL

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Typical Craigslist only 1 photo ad.

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> https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/cto/6199917417.html
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Re: [MBZ] Listed my green '77 240D on CL

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We can have all sorts of fun with that

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> On Jul 1, 2017, at 11:20 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
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> 
> Um, Darren?
> That link takes me to a page where I can edit your ad for you.
> Mitch. 
>> On July 1, 2017 at 11:57 AM Darren Marshall via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Things have been slow over here and need the space and the cash. Sold the
>> 280se about a month ago.
>> 
>> Hope to move it in the next few days. It's parked at the end of my street
>> in the city, I'll be in the burbs until tomorrow but if anyone on the list
>> wants to come check her out, just holler.
>> 
>> https://post.craigslist.org/k/kKklmP1d5xGYVxvZrhYBeA/isizy?lang=en&cc=us&s=preview
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Re: [MBZ] Listed my green '77 240D on CL

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https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/cto/6199917417.html

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Re: [MBZ] Listed my green '77 240D on CL

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Um, Darren?
That link takes me to a page where I can edit your ad for you.
Mitch. 
> On July 1, 2017 at 11:57 AM Darren Marshall via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Things have been slow over here and need the space and the cash. Sold the
> 280se about a month ago.
> 
> Hope to move it in the next few days. It's parked at the end of my street
> in the city, I'll be in the burbs until tomorrow but if anyone on the list
> wants to come check her out, just holler.
> 
> https://post.craigslist.org/k/kKklmP1d5xGYVxvZrhYBeA/isizy?lang=en&cc=us&s=preview
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Re: [MBZ] Buyer's Remorse, or How My Flip Flopped

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> On June 23, 2017 at 11:20 AM Dan--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I don't think he is flakey, I think he's a hard core flipper who just got 
> caught upside down due to his own ignorance.  It's bound to happen.

Well, his flip didn't flop too badly. 

Jun 29 at 7:30 PM
Vitaminc914 237

@Copinz the car sold last week. I lost $56 and it went to a retired professor 
who just gave up his 500k mile benz. He was happy to take it and I was happy to 
sell it.


And he told BAT about a car show between me and Kalamazoo that I think I'll 
attend next Saturday:
http://www.mlive.com/wayland/index.ssf/2017/06/gilmore_car_museum_hosting_six.html

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Re: [MBZ] Listed my green '77 240D on CL

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Sorry, that should be 1060 West Addison.

Dan currently listening to “Minnie the Moocher”


> On Jul 1, 2017, at 12:03 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Is the address on your driver’s license 1040 West Addison?
> 
> Dan not currently at Bob’s Country Bunker


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Re: [MBZ] Listed my green '77 240D on CL

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What color is the inteior?

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>  wrote:
> 
> Things have been slow over here and need the space and the cash. Sold the
> 280se about a month ago.
> 
> Hope to move it in the next few days. It's parked at the end of my street
> in the city, I'll be in the burbs until tomorrow but if anyone on the list
> wants to come check her out, just holler.
> 
> https://post.craigslist.org/k/kKklmP1d5xGYVxvZrhYBeA/isizy?lang=en&cc=us&s=preview
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Re: [MBZ] Listed my green '77 240D on CL

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Is the address on your driver’s license 1040 West Addison?

Dan not currently at Bob’s Country Bunker




> On Jul 1, 2017, at 11:57 AM, Darren Marshall via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Things have been slow over here and need the space and the cash. Sold the
> 280se about a month ago.
> 
> Hope to move it in the next few days. It's parked at the end of my street
> in the city, I'll be in the burbs until tomorrow but if anyone on the list
> wants to come check her out, just holler.
> 
> https://post.craigslist.org/k/kKklmP1d5xGYVxvZrhYBeA/isizy?lang=en&cc=us&s=preview
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[MBZ] Listed my green '77 240D on CL

[Darren Marshall via Mercedes]

Things have been slow over here and need the space and the cash. Sold the
280se about a month ago.

Hope to move it in the next few days. It's parked at the end of my street
in the city, I'll be in the burbs until tomorrow but if anyone on the list
wants to come check her out, just holler.

https://post.craigslist.org/k/kKklmP1d5xGYVxvZrhYBeA/isizy?lang=en&cc=us&s=preview
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Re: [MBZ] W126 AC Rebuild

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Just got the fittings on the expansion valve tightened and the hoses routed 
through the false firewall and put all of that together.  Whew!  I won't put 
the interior back together until I've been able to test the system in the event 
I have issues with the expansion valve fittings, which I don't expect.

Next I'll be draining the cooling system so I can remove the radiator and 
install the new parallel flow condenser.  Pretty straightforward job and 
doesn't involve getting down on my hands and knees much, thank goodness.

After that will be the compressor swap and the installation of the remaining 
lines and receiver/dryer.  If I’m living right I might have this thing back 
together by the end of the day.  It’s wicked hot and humid here today, so I’m 
pacing myself to prevent getting overheated…

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Re: [MBZ] Car for Jaime

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Is it because they have moved everything to Atlanta? Being away from family is 
no good.

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> 
> I'm still employed through the end of July... I just turned down an offer
> from MB to stay.  It would have involved a huge amount of travel and time
> away from the family, with little opportunity to advancement without
> relocation.  I turned the offer down on Monday and they came back and asked
> me to stay until the end of July to finish up some projects.  So, I'll be
> unemployed in August.  Looking forward to the break, but its sad to leave
> Mercedes.
> 
> Jaime
> 
> 
> On Sat, Jul 1, 2017 at 10:19 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> If it doesn't have any rust that is a pretty decent deal. Jaime can't but
>> it though because he is unemployed or something.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 1, 2017, at 6:54 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Time for Jaime to bottom feed:
>>> 
>>> https://newjersey.craigslist.org/cto/6199879207.html
>>> 
>>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] Car for Jaime

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Tell him that in our culture it's considered good form for a visitor to
offer his host the shirt off his back

On Sat, Jul 1, 2017 at 11:09 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
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> DBAG are opening the new Sprinter plant here soon and I saw in this
> morning's paper that Knapheide (sp?) are opening a plant next door to
> outfit them as work vans so it is attracting other manufacturing and
> suppliers.  I saw a German couple at Costco the other evening, the guy was
> wearing a Mercedes shirt I wanted...
>
> --FT
>
>
> On 7/1/17 10:46 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> I'm still employed through the end of July... I just turned down an offer
>> from MB to stay.  It would have involved a huge amount of travel and time
>> away from the family, with little opportunity to advancement without
>> relocation.  I turned the offer down on Monday and they came back and
>> asked
>> me to stay until the end of July to finish up some projects.  So, I'll be
>> unemployed in August.  Looking forward to the break, but its sad to leave
>> Mercedes.
>>
>> Jaime
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 1, 2017 at 10:19 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> If it doesn't have any rust that is a pretty decent deal. Jaime can't but
>>> it though because he is unemployed or something.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jul 1, 2017, at 6:54 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <

>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>
 Time for Jaime to bottom feed:

 https://newjersey.craigslist.org/cto/6199879207.html

 -D

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Re: [MBZ] Car for Jaime

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DBAG are opening the new Sprinter plant here soon and I saw in this 
morning's paper that Knapheide (sp?) are opening a plant next door to 
outfit them as work vans so it is attracting other manufacturing and 
suppliers.  I saw a German couple at Costco the other evening, the guy 
was wearing a Mercedes shirt I wanted...


--FT


On 7/1/17 10:46 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes wrote:

I'm still employed through the end of July... I just turned down an offer
from MB to stay.  It would have involved a huge amount of travel and time
away from the family, with little opportunity to advancement without
relocation.  I turned the offer down on Monday and they came back and asked
me to stay until the end of July to finish up some projects.  So, I'll be
unemployed in August.  Looking forward to the break, but its sad to leave
Mercedes.

Jaime


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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


If it doesn't have any rust that is a pretty decent deal. Jaime can't but
it though because he is unemployed or something.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 1, 2017, at 6:54 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <

mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Time for Jaime to bottom feed:

https://newjersey.craigslist.org/cto/6199879207.html

-D

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Re: [MBZ] OT Diesel Truck

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He is a man's man and not a wimpy metrosexual pajama boy

--FT


On 7/1/17 9:38 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

One wonders why Grant owns at least four trucks.

On Sat, Jul 1, 2017 at 2:23 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


IMHO Ford 6.9 / 7.3 engine trucks [engine is actually built by

International

btw] are the Mercedes diesel of the truck world... Mechanical everything,
no computer to fail, you need one 12 volt wire to energize the fuel
solenoid at the IP... and you can push them off a hill to start, if
you have to.


Exact same thing can be said of the 12V Cummins in the Dodge.  And if you
don't have any electricity, I think you can use a zip tie to hold the fuel
solenoid on so it'll run.

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Re: [MBZ] Car for Jaime

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You can make house calls in the DC area.  Lots of older Mercedes that need
TLC.

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> I'm still employed through the end of July... I just turned down an offer
> from MB to stay.  It would have involved a huge amount of travel and time
> away from the family, with little opportunity to advancement without
> relocation.  I turned the offer down on Monday and they came back and asked
> me to stay until the end of July to finish up some projects.  So, I'll be
> unemployed in August.  Looking forward to the break, but its sad to leave
> Mercedes.
>
> Jaime
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 1, 2017 at 10:19 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > If it doesn't have any rust that is a pretty decent deal. Jaime can't but
> > it though because he is unemployed or something.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Jul 1, 2017, at 6:54 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Time for Jaime to bottom feed:
> > >
> > > https://newjersey.craigslist.org/cto/6199879207.html
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] big oil dying (again)

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"Curley" lives in the no. 1 wind power state.  How come you're so
anti-renewable?

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> Curley wrote:
> > Even the illegal drug market is distorted by goobers.
>
> More ECONOMICS... correction.
> The goobers OWN the illegal drug market... according to some
> conspiracy folk.  These days the History channel documentary is
> exposing this to the masses.  Interesting stuff that even back in to
> the 1950's that LSD was bought off the market by the goobers, then MJ,
> then cocaine.  Yes, Mena, AR plays really big - thank you Larry
> Nichols.  You can see the first two episodes of the documentary at
> history-dot-com but then need to sign in with your tv online supplier.
> No tv here so only episode 1 and episode 2 were viewed.  Can someone
> download episode 3 and episode 4 and email copy to me?  Title:
> America's War On Drugs
> Thanks.
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Re: [MBZ] Car for Jaime

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I'm still employed through the end of July... I just turned down an offer
from MB to stay.  It would have involved a huge amount of travel and time
away from the family, with little opportunity to advancement without
relocation.  I turned the offer down on Monday and they came back and asked
me to stay until the end of July to finish up some projects.  So, I'll be
unemployed in August.  Looking forward to the break, but its sad to leave
Mercedes.

Jaime


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> If it doesn't have any rust that is a pretty decent deal. Jaime can't but
> it though because he is unemployed or something.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Jul 1, 2017, at 6:54 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
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> > Time for Jaime to bottom feed:
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Car for Jaime

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Thanks, but I'm ok in terms of projects over here right now!

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> Time for Jaime to bottom feed:
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Re: [MBZ] OT. shared a home on Zillow in Nowata

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Pretty normal, big thunderstorms last night dropped a buncha rain. I think at 
this point we've recovered from last year.
My whole garden is stunted, its only been in the ground for like 2 weeks, just 
had no time this spring.
-Curt


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We are in a pretty serious drought in the mid Atlantic.  How are others
faring this summer?  My peppers are retarded.

On Sat, Jul 1, 2017 at 2:21 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
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> I like the honey roasted peanuts ground into butter with nothing (further)
> added but salt.  I got it at the Amish store!
>
> Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>> June 30, 2017 at 12:11 PM
>> Mao are you smooth or chunky, natural and oily or hydrogenated? Any
>> transfat?
>>
>> These are important aspects to your identity, which I respect and
>> admire.  I hope you have pride in it.
>>
>> --FT
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Re: [MBZ] big oil dying (again)

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Curley wrote:
> Even the illegal drug market is distorted by goobers.

More ECONOMICS... correction.
The goobers OWN the illegal drug market... according to some
conspiracy folk.  These days the History channel documentary is
exposing this to the masses.  Interesting stuff that even back in to
the 1950's that LSD was bought off the market by the goobers, then MJ,
then cocaine.  Yes, Mena, AR plays really big - thank you Larry
Nichols.  You can see the first two episodes of the documentary at
history-dot-com but then need to sign in with your tv online supplier.
No tv here so only episode 1 and episode 2 were viewed.  Can someone
download episode 3 and episode 4 and email copy to me?  Title:
America's War On Drugs
Thanks.
tin.man

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Re: [MBZ] OT. shared a home on Zillow in Nowata

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

We were in a drought but we got a crap ton of rain this spring so we are not 
anymore.

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> On Jul 1, 2017, at 8:38 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> We are in a pretty serious drought in the mid Atlantic.  How are others
> faring this summer?  My peppers are retarded.
> 
> On Sat, Jul 1, 2017 at 2:21 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> I like the honey roasted peanuts ground into butter with nothing (further)
>> added but salt.  I got it at the Amish store!
>> 
>> Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>> June 30, 2017 at 12:11 PM
>>> Mao are you smooth or chunky, natural and oily or hydrogenated? Any
>>> transfat?
>>> 
>>> These are important aspects to your identity, which I respect and
>>> admire.  I hope you have pride in it.
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Car for Jaime

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

If it doesn't have any rust that is a pretty decent deal. Jaime can't but it 
though because he is unemployed or something. 

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> On Jul 1, 2017, at 6:54 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
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> Time for Jaime to bottom feed:
> 
> https://newjersey.craigslist.org/cto/6199879207.html
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> -D
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Re: [MBZ] Car for Jaime

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>
> "Cruise control lever is missing"  I wonder how that happened.  Road rage?.


Toddler?

-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] OT Diesel Truck

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Same could be said of the Detroit 6.2

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On Jul 1, 2017, at 1:23 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
wrote:

>> 
>> IMHO Ford 6.9 / 7.3 engine trucks [engine is actually built by 
>> International
>> btw] are the Mercedes diesel of the truck world... Mechanical everything,
>> no computer to fail, you need one 12 volt wire to energize the fuel
>> solenoid at the IP... and you can push them off a hill to start, if
>> you have to.
> 
> 
> Exact same thing can be said of the 12V Cummins in the Dodge.  And if you
> don't have any electricity, I think you can use a zip tie to hold the fuel
> solenoid on so it'll run.
> 
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[MBZ] $60,000 in receipts for this '91 Wagoneer on BAT

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

You may be able to win this at auction for less than 85 cents on the dollar

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Re: [MBZ] big oil dying (again)

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Curt Raymond 
July 1, 2017 at 8:03 AM
What part of the constitution instructs the government to collect data 
on your phone usage?

NONE!
What part authorizes Air Force 1? What part tells our government to 
have the largest military on the planet?
AH!  THERE you have hit one one of the few authorized powers of the 
federal Government!   It seems appropriate that the only country on the 
planet that people are dying to get into, legally or not, should have 
the biggest and best military on the planet.   And it is one of the 
legal powers of the federal government.


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[MBZ] You never realized how much you wanted one of these

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

1953 Nash Ambassador.  A work of postwar  automotive art.

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Re: [MBZ] Car for Jaime

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"Cruise control lever is missing"  I wonder how that happened.  Road rage?.

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> Time for Jaime to bottom feed:
>
> https://newjersey.craigslist.org/cto/6199879207.html
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Re: [MBZ] OT. shared a home on Zillow in Nowata

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Drought in spring, May/June was super rainy, we have recovered and have been 
getting record rainfall.  Back into the summer afternoon/evening rain pattern.

Very steamy.  Like your glasses fog up when you walk outside steamy.

-D

> On Jul 1, 2017, at 9:38 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> We are in a pretty serious drought in the mid Atlantic.  How are others
> faring this summer?  My peppers are retarded.
> 


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Re: [MBZ] OT Diesel Truck

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

One wonders why Grant owns at least four trucks.

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> >
> > IMHO Ford 6.9 / 7.3 engine trucks [engine is actually built by
> International
> > btw] are the Mercedes diesel of the truck world... Mechanical everything,
> > no computer to fail, you need one 12 volt wire to energize the fuel
> > solenoid at the IP... and you can push them off a hill to start, if
> > you have to.
>
>
> Exact same thing can be said of the 12V Cummins in the Dodge.  And if you
> don't have any electricity, I think you can use a zip tie to hold the fuel
> solenoid on so it'll run.
>
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] OT. shared a home on Zillow in Nowata

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We are in a pretty serious drought in the mid Atlantic.  How are others
faring this summer?  My peppers are retarded.

On Sat, Jul 1, 2017 at 2:21 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I like the honey roasted peanuts ground into butter with nothing (further)
> added but salt.  I got it at the Amish store!
>
> Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>> June 30, 2017 at 12:11 PM
>> Mao are you smooth or chunky, natural and oily or hydrogenated? Any
>> transfat?
>>
>> These are important aspects to your identity, which I respect and
>> admire.  I hope you have pride in it.
>>
>> --FT
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Moose

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Killed by a brown bear...  that bear is in BIG trouble if it didn't have a
permit.

On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 10:58 PM, clay via Mercedes 
wrote:

>
>
> >
> > ADF&G removes moose carcass near Abbott and Birch
> > http://www.ktuu.com/content/news/Moose-killed-on-Abbott-
> and-Birch-roads--431593603.html
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
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Re: [MBZ] big oil dying (again)

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Oooh, can we apply that to military pork?
-Curt


  From: Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
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 Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 7:56 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] big oil dying (again)
   
Correct, they should not fund NIH, unless it can be done constitutionally
under the heading of national security / defense.

Anything other spending should probably require a national referendum vote
to approve the funding, which expires annually and requires another
national referendum vote to re-approve it.  THEN the taxpayers will be able
to decide if they want to spend their money on it or not.  Good ideas and
worthy causes will get funded.  Stupid pet projects (pork) will quickly
die.  Watch our national budget shrink by about 75% overnight!

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Sat, Jul 1, 2017 at 6:02 AM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
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> Let me get this straight. You are saying the NIH should not be funding
> biomedical research, because of a document written in the 18th century?
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] big oil dying (again)

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What part of the constitution instructs the government to collect data on your 
phone usage? What part authorizes Air Force 1? What part tells our government 
to have the largest military on the planet? If you want to talk about overreach 
talk about all of it.
-Curt


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Please quote to me the part of the constitution that empowers the 
federal goobermnt to do this?

Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:
> The federal government spends money on lots of things that are not
> immediately profitable. That is pretty much the role of the government.
All powers not specifically granted in the Constitution, are reserved by 
the Citizens, or are granted by the Citizens to their State, County or City.

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Re: [MBZ] big oil dying (again)

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Because the government NEVER does ANYTHING to prop up the oil industry right?
-Curt


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 Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2017 2:09 AM
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Bzzt!  Solar and wind are NOT sustainable without the goobermnt robbing 
us to prop up wind and solar.

Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> Solar and wind are part of a sustainable mix and will make our non-renewable 
> energy sources last much longer but they aren't the whole answer.
> OTOH people who think "Drill baby drill" will solve all our problems are also 
> deluding themselves. As with most things the answer is in the middle. There 
> is no silver bullet.
>
> -Curt


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Re: [MBZ] big oil dying (again)

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Correct, they should not fund NIH, unless it can be done constitutionally
under the heading of national security / defense.

Anything other spending should probably require a national referendum vote
to approve the funding, which expires annually and requires another
national referendum vote to re-approve it.  THEN the taxpayers will be able
to decide if they want to spend their money on it or not.  Good ideas and
worthy causes will get funded.  Stupid pet projects (pork) will quickly
die.  Watch our national budget shrink by about 75% overnight!

-
Max
Charleston SC

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Let me get this straight. You are saying the NIH should not be funding
> biomedical research, because of a document written in the 18th century?
>
>
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[MBZ] Car for Jaime

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Time for Jaime to bottom feed:

https://newjersey.craigslist.org/cto/6199879207.html

-D

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Re: [MBZ] 240 D Resonator

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Walker still makes some older stuff.  I was able to source a resonator for the 
300SEL from them and it was exact fit and far cheaper than anyone else.  I even 
got the production drawings for it and checked the dimensions and they matched 
the OE part exactly.  I think the price on it was like $175.00 or thereabouts.

I’m not saying they have something for a car that old, but it’s possible.  When 
I was looking for the 300SEL resonator I was surprised at the number of older 
applications they still had stuff for.

-D


> On Jul 1, 2017, at 2:23 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> It is probably not the right thing.
> 
>> Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>> June 30, 2017 at 3:44 PM
>> Believe it or not, Walker still makes a lot of the exhaust bits for older 
>> MBs. Not all, but some. Worth a shot to see if they have anything.
>> 
>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] Okie Acres Miami?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I did business down there in the late 90s from an office in Pompano Beach.  
There was a boatload of business in Dade County we never saw, so the company’s 
owner wanted me to go down there and try and get some of it - mostly 
government/municipal stuff.

I called on a purchasing guy in Dade County government. He laughed at me when I 
said we wanted to do business with the County.  He pretty much told me that the 
likelihood of gringos like me doing business there would never happen.  Even if 
we tried to buy the business (lowball) they would throw us out because we 
didn’t have a business presence in the County.  He went so far as to 
congratulate me for having the biggest pair of cohones he had ever seen on a 
gringo for coming in and thinking we could do business there. So I had that 
going for me…

It’s so bad that our company’s territory was the whole state of Florida except 
Dade County.  There was a Cuban refugee that owned a company in Miami who was 
our distributor there, and that’s the only territory he had.  That gives you 
some idea of how completely different the economy and culture is down there.  
I’m sure it hasn’t changed.

-D

> On Jun 30, 2017, at 9:16 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Oh that's what I figured. The guy down there running it now said he had a 
> bunch of dealers he never goes to because they don't speak English so his 
> Spanish speaking reps handle them. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] big oil dying (again)

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Let me get this straight. You are saying the NIH should not be funding
biomedical research, because of a document written in the 18th century?

On Jul 1, 2017 1:56 AM, "Curley McLain via Mercedes" 
wrote:

Please quote to me the part of the constitution that empowers the federal
goobermnt to do this?


Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:

> The federal government spends money on lots of things that are not
> immediately profitable. That is pretty much the role of the government.
>
All powers not specifically granted in the Constitution, are reserved by
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Re: [MBZ] big oil dying (again)

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Yes, the point I am making is that it is proper for the government to
subsidize technology development.

On Jul 1, 2017 1:59 AM, "Curley McLain via Mercedes" 
wrote:

What 'lektrick car is on the market that is not subsidized or incentivized
by some gooberment?   You are making my point that it is NOT market forces
that are putting Lektrick cars on the market.

Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
> July 1, 2017 at 3:28 AM
>
> I think lithium batteries and better battery management software are the
> major difference now.
>

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Re: [MBZ] big oil dying (again)

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

What 'lektrick car is on the market that is not subsidized or 
incentivized by some gooberment?   You are making my point that it is 
NOT market forces that are putting Lektrick cars on the market.



Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
July 1, 2017 at 3:28 AM
I think lithium batteries and better battery management software are the
major difference now.


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Re: [MBZ] big oil dying (again)

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Please quote to me the part of the constitution that empowers the 
federal goobermnt to do this?


Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:

The federal government spends money on lots of things that are not
immediately profitable. That is pretty much the role of the government.
All powers not specifically granted in the Constitution, are reserved by 
the Citizens, or are granted by the Citizens to their State, County or City.


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Re: [MBZ] big oil dying (again)

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

I think lithium batteries and better battery management software are the
major difference now.

On Jun 30, 2017 9:45 AM, "Meade Dillon via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Andrew, I think there have been electric cars almost as long as there have
> been gasoline engine cars.  Google knows all.
>
> http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/223/electric-car-timeline.html
>
> Whoops, I was wrong, electric cars have been around almost 200 years!
>
> If electric cars haven't taken over in the last 100 years, I would not be
> inclined to bet that they'll make the big move in the next 100.
>
> Someone might invent that ultra-super-capacitor, that can be charged
> quickly and provide power for hundreds of miles of driving.  Might happen.
> Someone might also invent a bacteria that eats garbage and produces diesel
> fuel, and then we'll all be driving diesel powered cars forever.  We shall
> know in the fullness of time...
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] big oil dying (again)

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

The federal government spends money on lots of things that are not
immediately profitable. That is pretty much the role of the government.
Computers, lasers, the internet, gps, etc. Much of this is done by funding
basic science through NIH, a bunch by funding defense work by the Navy and
Darpa, and much of that does not pan out commercially. But enough of it
does to make it fully worthwhile.

Solar energy would not be approaching cost parity with gas etc if the
government had not invested in the market. A bunch of private equity is
funding local solar power development in Africa right now, because it is
cheaper than building transmission lines, which have the 100 year head
start but still never managed to get developed. So solar is coming along,
and is already cheaper here than increasing our US power rates to build
power plants that we don't actually need (see LA times article). You pay
one way or the other.

The Chinese are actually investing more than we are in nuclear fusion,
which spurred us into action on it. I do not think we want them to figure
it out first, as this would be a massive strategic disadvantage for the US.

Most major advances in technology are funded in one way or another by the
government. Your tax dollars at work.

On Jun 30, 2017 9:34 AM, "rogerhga--- via Mercedes" 
wrote:

I can't believe you guys are missing the obvious. The energy answer is the
"flux capacitor". We can convert garbage to energyand we all know we
have way too much garbage in this world. Or maybe the methanol out of
landfills and convert it to synthetic diesel. Or maybe something that
hasn't been thought of yet. I still remember when solar would be the
answer, then wind, then coal gasification, and so on. We probably need a
mix a many things, but most of all those things need to pay for themselves
without expecting the average taxpayer to fund someone else's energy.
Remember the company a few years back that got $650 million from the
government and then went belly up?
Keep looking. Similar to the X Files, the answer is out there.
Best Wishes and a Happy and safe 4th Holiday,
Roger
Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
www.dinnerwareclassics.com


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