Re: [MBZ] Total my car

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Jails are full of people who made "bad choices". My take on his actions
is, regardless of how it is phrased, his action constitutes "Mens Rae"
which is a legal term for "Thought followed by Act" and is the qualifier
for having done a criminal act.

With all respect and regard for SHMBO wearing the legal hat... I suggest
you would be best served to engage local counsel and push legal resolution.

To my knowledge, there is no specific requirement to settle vehicle damage
quickly. So I brush off that his "desire to settle quickly" was a factor.

On Sat, Sep 30, 2017 at 10:56 PM, clay monroe via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> SWMBA is sort of looped in.  Overly busy with all the oil and gas work,
> now that Turnip has let loose the hounds of bidness, and smote the
> enviro-wienies.
>
> I did make mention regarding the question if Amica trained him to be a
> putz, or is he just a congenital neo-max zoom-dweebie.
>
> On more contemplation, I suspect he made a conscious choice to speed along
> a resolution because it took so long for me to locate a shop willing to
> even look at the car.  Most of the shops I took it to, just stared at it
> and passed.  No desire to work with single stage, no ability to match the
> paint with the stuff they spray, not enough payout based on the estimators
> initial review.
>
> clay
>
> > On Sep 30, 2017, at 4:48 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > A... Contraire` mon ami
> >
> > To work at the insurance company, which has to possess a license from the
> > State, the individual working for that company has to also either be
> > licensed, or meet some state requirements to work the business In
> every
> > state I have experience in dealing with..
> >
> > Thus... the Company is legally culpable for the actions of it's employees
> > to follow the law failure to do so.. either by deliberate intent, or
> by
> > negligence... qualifies as having done harm to our esteemed fellow
> > member... ie "individually harmed".
> >
> > If it is found in the discovery phase of trial preparation, such actions
> > are "regular and common" and the Company not only allows it, but
> practices
> > such in due course, even more powerful... for the plaintiff...
> >
> > I have contact with an attorney here who, for the past 40 years has only
> > taken insurance malpractice cases... He has not lost a case in 38
> years
> > I'm sure there is another like him in the subject state
> >
> > On Sat, Sep 30, 2017 at 2:41 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>> On September 30, 2017 at 3:06 PM G Mann via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> About now.. I would be dialing a lawyer... were it me.
> >>
> >> She's in Alaska, but I'm pretty sure Clay has been telling her all about
> >> it.
> >> Agree with you that messing with titled property that belongs to neither
> >> him nor his employer is clearly illegal, I just no longer think it done
> was
> >> with malicious intent. Never be too hasty to ascribe malicious intent
> when
> >> sheer stupidity is a plausible explanation.
> >> Mitch.
>
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Re: [MBZ] More pix of my little project

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

I found you could saturate it with a 10 to 1 water/peroxide solution in a spray 
bottle and few times and avoid the lysol scents.  Or, I guess one could flush 
it after the lysol

c

> On Sep 30, 2017, at 6:40 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0Bxk8a928B3RxRldEZUQxT3VveVU
> 
> One of the pix is old and new AC evaporator.  Old is covered with mold, black 
> mold.  Nasty stuff, both SWMBO and SWMBette are allergic.
> 
> Every single duct had been washed and sprayed down with Lysol.
> 
> Today I removed the heater box, and cleaned off the heater core.
> 
> The last place to clean is the cowl at the bottom the windshield, which is 
> also the first duct on the intake side.
> -- 
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Re: [MBZ] Total my car

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

SWMBA is sort of looped in.  Overly busy with all the oil and gas work, now 
that Turnip has let loose the hounds of bidness, and smote the enviro-wienies.

I did make mention regarding the question if Amica trained him to be a putz, or 
is he just a congenital neo-max zoom-dweebie.  

On more contemplation, I suspect he made a conscious choice to speed along a 
resolution because it took so long for me to locate a shop willing to even look 
at the car.  Most of the shops I took it to, just stared at it and passed.  No 
desire to work with single stage, no ability to match the paint with the stuff 
they spray, not enough payout based on the estimators initial review.

clay

> On Sep 30, 2017, at 4:48 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> A... Contraire` mon ami
> 
> To work at the insurance company, which has to possess a license from the
> State, the individual working for that company has to also either be
> licensed, or meet some state requirements to work the business In every
> state I have experience in dealing with..
> 
> Thus... the Company is legally culpable for the actions of it's employees
> to follow the law failure to do so.. either by deliberate intent, or by
> negligence... qualifies as having done harm to our esteemed fellow
> member... ie "individually harmed".
> 
> If it is found in the discovery phase of trial preparation, such actions
> are "regular and common" and the Company not only allows it, but practices
> such in due course, even more powerful... for the plaintiff...
> 
> I have contact with an attorney here who, for the past 40 years has only
> taken insurance malpractice cases... He has not lost a case in 38 years
> I'm sure there is another like him in the subject state
> 
> On Sat, Sep 30, 2017 at 2:41 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>>> On September 30, 2017 at 3:06 PM G Mann via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> About now.. I would be dialing a lawyer... were it me.
>> 
>> She's in Alaska, but I'm pretty sure Clay has been telling her all about
>> it.
>> Agree with you that messing with titled property that belongs to neither
>> him nor his employer is clearly illegal, I just no longer think it done was
>> with malicious intent. Never be too hasty to ascribe malicious intent when
>> sheer stupidity is a plausible explanation.
>> Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] Pick 'n' Pull?

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

I might figure out how to get one.

clay 

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> On Sep 30, 2017, at 4:05 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Anyone got a decent PnP they go to that might have some W210 chassis cars in 
> it?
> 
> I am looking for the plastic box that’s located under the radio.  In some 
> cars, like mine, that had the factory cell phone option the cell phone 
> controller is located behind the door along with a small recess for storing 
> pens and pencils or something.  It’s the same assembly with the cell phone 
> delete, except there’s a large plastic box in place of the cell phone 
> controller.  Plastic tabs hold both in place, it’s a simple matter of popping 
> the whole assembly out if you can reach in where the radio opening is and 
> release a tab.  Once that’s done the whole thing comes out, then it’s a 
> couple of plastic tabs on the top and bottom of the box to free it from the 
> door assembly.
> 
> The box does not appear to be sold as a service part, and I don’t want the 
> whole assembly as I want to keep my door so my interior wood matches.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Total my car

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

I am just a few heartbeats away from letting their client know I am going to 
file suit against her for pain and suffering, as well as emotional distress 
induced by the adjuster.  With the headbonk, I am just not as robust as I was 
before this incident.  I am sure there will be a few months of therapy required 
to return my to a more stable mental balance.

clay

> On Sep 30, 2017, at 7:41 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On September 29, 2017 at 9:48 PM clay monroe via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> they did the dirty deed on his say so with no paperwork.  He tried to steal 
>> the car from the body shop and send it to Coparts.  It seems this sort of 
>> thing happens a bunch, as there is a special section of DOL dedicated to 
>> dealing with this.  I put in a call, but they are really busy overturning 
>> adjusters who crap on people
> 
> The more I think about it, the more I think it's just business as usual, 
> proceeding blithely along and gittin 'er done as quickly as possible.  
> 
> The fact that it's not his/her car and they have no right to dispose of it 
> unless they purchase it, and only after they have actually completed the 
> purchase just never entered into their tiny brain. 
> 
> You don't have a contract with them that gives them the right to purchase 
> your car. If you don't want to sell them the car, it's just a matter of 
> arguing with them over the size of the check they'll have to give you to make 
> you shut up and not sue their client. 
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Total my car

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

The thing is exceptionally clean, just suffering the normal wear issues with 
plastics and electric lines.  The things do not sell much, ANYWHERE.  The black 
on tan is a step above standard black on black.  The cluster is freshly 
rebuilt, so should not fail again for a few years.  


Clay

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> On Sep 30, 2017, at 4:10 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> You’re being generous, unless the car is really clean.
> 
> Being sensitive to your plight after having to deal with the disposal of my 
> former 2003 S420, I’d say your numbers are a little high.  These things are 
> like cockroaches around here and they just don’t sell.  I’m not sure whether 
> it’s the reputation they have for being a PITA to maintain or their lack of 
> style/design that makes them look like every other car on the road.
> 
> During my recent search for a W210 I saw these littering CL in my area.  
> Almost as bad as the C class stuff.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 29, 2017, at 10:43 PM, clay monroe via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> IF the airmatic were functional, probably around $4-4.5k
>> 
>> Deduct $1k for having to deal with airmatic.  Replacement air springs can be 
>> had for less than $300 a pair.  FoolTube videos from Arnott show the job 
>> taking about 75 minutes for both sides.
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>>> On Sep 29, 2017, at 7:18 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Not even sure what those are worth.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone 
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Re: [MBZ] Resurrecting dead batteries

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

back in the day, I dumped the 62 190Dc battery out, then refilled it 
with acid.  I also exercised it by alternately running it down with a 
headlamp, then recharging with 4 amp charger.   I kept it alive for a 
year or so, until the car was stolen.



Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
September 30, 2017 at 11:49 AM
They don't show you driving to FLAPS, ordering a gallon of H2SO4, and 
refilling the battery?


I remember reading similar advice in the Tips column in Cycle Magazine 
in the early 1970s, pretty much amounted to dump acid, refill with 
water, wrap in foam padding, beat with sledgehammer, flush with water, 
beat (gently) with sledgehammer, repeat until water comes out clean, 
refill with factory fresh battery acid. But I can't remember actually 
doing that to a motorcycle battery.


When the Interstate died in my first car, I did the above and it 
worked. Except I shook the battery and bounced it in the grass instead 
of hitting it with a BFH. I parked the car a year or two later so I 
can't say how long the fix would have lasted.


Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] Happy Moose Day

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

The moose and my groundhog are in cahoots.

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>
> Cue the ominous music from Jaws...
>
> http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170927/45079ac0fc2c0428b33385353e37e0
> 61.jpg
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Re: [MBZ] BMW R27 sold on BAT

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Click on the link.  $6600.

On Sat, Sep 30, 2017 at 11:59 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> ¿Que Mucho?
>
> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>> September 28, 2017 at 2:01 PM
>> Seems cheap.
>>
>> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1963-bmw-r27/?utm_source=
>> dailymail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2017-09-26
>>
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Re: [MBZ] BMW R27 sold on BAT

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

¿Que Mucho?


Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
September 28, 2017 at 2:01 PM
Seems cheap.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1963-bmw-r27/?utm_source=dailymail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2017-09-26


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Mind blowing Unlimited Energy source

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I can hear the kollyphonyians screaming already:  "up to half of the 
evaporated water could be captured..."  which means that the half 
collected will no longer fall as rain.  THis means that arid areas will 
be turned into deserts and green ares (Where food is produced) will turn 
into arid zones.Kollyphonyians are already mad that some other 
states want to use some water out of the colorado river



Mountain Man via Mercedes 
September 26, 2017 at 2:57 PM

Evaporation Energy will most likely fail prior to any implementation.
Somewhere down the line, this system will be found problematic, i.e.
we've seen this stuff before. How does it affect the biome of the
body of water? Who wants their prime real estate cluttered with
evaporation energy capture devices? This might seem to be a free
lunch, but there will be plenty to speak against it. Not unlike the
1970 National Flood Insurance Program? - didja watch The Water's Edge
documentary? Nice ideas which very quickly get twisted by twisted
minds. No free lunch.
tin.man


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Re: [MBZ] OT my little project

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

i turn  the heater on full blast for 5-10 min or so to dry the evap


Craig via Mercedes 
September 25, 2017 at 12:07 PM

When I remember, when I'm coming to my destination, I switch from cool to
ventilate, so the evaporator can warm up and dry off.


Craig



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Re: [MBZ] Idiots who can't pass safely...

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Sounds like the insco got off CHEAP!


G Mann via Mercedes 
September 23, 2017 at 3:00 PM
Most of the settlement is done.. looks like the event on camera ran 57
seconds.. I earned about $400 a second..significant portion of that to the
law firm, of course. Camera video is now being used [with my 
permission] by
the firm as part of their staff education. It was VERY well received 
when I

walked in to the firm and "played the wreck for them".. ;))


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Re: [MBZ] Large attachments

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Postbox lets you download the graphics/attachments or not.  Best thing 
since Eudora!



Max Dillon via Mercedes 
September 24, 2017 at 11:00 AM
MG, Craig, maybe others:
Does you email client have an option for limiting download size? My 
android email client (K9) allows me to set the max size downloaded 
automatically, and then once I see the text / body, I can decide if I 
want to download the whole thing.


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Re: [MBZ] OT my little project

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

This is why we should all go out and buy japanese crap cars!  So they 
can slowly poison us!



Max Dillon via Mercedes 
September 23, 2017 at 6:46 PM
After I sent that picture, I removed the bottom half of the air box 
for the AC evaporator, found leaves and slime and mold. The evaporator 
looks awful, covered with slime. This is probably the heart of the 
problem.


This car does a terrible job at filtering the fresh air, to much dirt 
and leaves get in.


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Re: [MBZ] More pix of my little project

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

You need to join the Circle, Craig...


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'95 E300

On September 30, 2017 10:26:57 PM EDT, Craig via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>On Sat, 30 Sep 2017 21:40:25 -0400 Max Dillon via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
>> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0Bxk8a928B3RxRldEZUQxT3VveVU
>
>Where one needs to sign in to see the pictures ...
>
>

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Re: [MBZ] More pix of my little project

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sat, 30 Sep 2017 21:40:25 -0400 Max Dillon via Mercedes
 wrote:

> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0Bxk8a928B3RxRldEZUQxT3VveVU

Where one needs to sign in to see the pictures ...


> One of the pix is old and new AC evaporator.  Old is covered with mold,
> black mold.  Nasty stuff, both SWMBO and SWMBette are allergic.
> 
> Every single duct had been washed and sprayed down with Lysol.
> 
> Today I removed the heater box, and cleaned off the heater core.
> 
> The last place to clean is the cowl at the bottom the windshield, which
> is also the first duct on the intake side.

You have done well, Max!


Craig

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[MBZ] More pix of my little project

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0Bxk8a928B3RxRldEZUQxT3VveVU

One of the pix is old and new AC evaporator.  Old is covered with mold, black 
mold.  Nasty stuff, both SWMBO and SWMBette are allergic.

Every single duct had been washed and sprayed down with Lysol.

Today I removed the heater box, and cleaned off the heater core.

The last place to clean is the cowl at the bottom the windshield, which is also 
the first duct on the intake side.
-- 
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Charleston SC
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'95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] Pick 'n' Pull?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

That would be great.  I would be most appreciative.  If you need further 
explanation of what I’m looking for, drop me a PM.

Thank you,

Dan


> On Sep 30, 2017, at 9:23 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Dan asks:
> 
>> ‎Anyone got a decent PnP they go to that >might have some W210 chassis cars 
>> in it?
> 
> I can take a look tomorrow or Monday. I have to pick up some bits and pieces 
> myself.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Pick 'n' Pull?

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Dan asks:

>‎Anyone got a decent PnP they go to that >might have some W210 chassis cars in 
>it?

I can take a look tomorrow or Monday. I have to pick up some bits and pieces 
myself.

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] 1984 Mercedes Benz 300TDT Station wagon - cars & trucks - by owner - vehicle automotive sale

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Yea it's about 25 miles from okie acres del rancho costa plenty. If you talk to 
seller and want me to check it out let me know.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 30, 2017, at 3:41 PM, Michael Esh via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Or, is any one else close enough to check on it?
> I’ll pay a reasonable fee. 
> 
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> 
>> On Sep 30, 2017, at 1:50 PM, Michael Esh via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Kaleb, 
>> Are you close enough to check this out?  Do you have time. I’m very serious 
>> about getting this if it is mostly rust free. 
>> 
>> https://tulsa.craigslist.org/cto/d/1984-mercedes-benz-300tdt/6321438154.html
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 1984 Mercedes Benz 300TDT Station wagon - cars & trucks

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

I wonder why the rear passenger side was repainted, and why such a bad match 
for white...


> On Sep 30, 2017, Michael Esh wrote:
> 
> Kaleb, 
> Are you close enough to check this out?  Do you have time. I?m very serious 
> about getting this if it is mostly rust free. 
> 
> https://tulsa.craigslist.org/cto/d/1984-mercedes-benz-300tdt/6321438154.html
> 
> 
> Michael E. Esh
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Re: [MBZ] 1984 Mercedes Benz 300TDT Station wagon - cars & trucks - by owner - vehicle automotive sale

[Michael Esh via Mercedes]

Thanks Max. 

Michael E. Esh


> On Sep 30, 2017, at 6:04 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Recommend you contact the seller (if not already done) and get more pix, 
> maybe arrange for PPI at a nearby garage.
> -- 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
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> '95 E300
> 
>> On September 30, 2017 4:41:11 PM EDT, Michael Esh via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> Or, is any one else close enough to check on it?
>> I’ll pay a reasonable fee. 
>> 
>> Mike
>> 231894-5505
>> Michael E. Esh
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 30, 2017, at 1:50 PM, Michael Esh via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Kaleb, 
>>> Are you close enough to check this out?  Do you have time. I’m very
>> serious about getting this if it is mostly rust free. 
>>> 
>>> 
>> https://tulsa.craigslist.org/cto/d/1984-mercedes-benz-300tdt/6321438154.html
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Total my car

[G Mann via Mercedes]

A... Contraire` mon ami

To work at the insurance company, which has to possess a license from the
State, the individual working for that company has to also either be
licensed, or meet some state requirements to work the business In every
state I have experience in dealing with..

Thus... the Company is legally culpable for the actions of it's employees
to follow the law failure to do so.. either by deliberate intent, or by
negligence... qualifies as having done harm to our esteemed fellow
member... ie "individually harmed".

If it is found in the discovery phase of trial preparation, such actions
are "regular and common" and the Company not only allows it, but practices
such in due course, even more powerful... for the plaintiff...

I have contact with an attorney here who, for the past 40 years has only
taken insurance malpractice cases... He has not lost a case in 38 years
I'm sure there is another like him in the subject state

On Sat, Sep 30, 2017 at 2:41 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
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>
> > On September 30, 2017 at 3:06 PM G Mann via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > About now.. I would be dialing a lawyer... were it me.
>
> She's in Alaska, but I'm pretty sure Clay has been telling her all about
> it.
> Agree with you that messing with titled property that belongs to neither
> him nor his employer is clearly illegal, I just no longer think it done was
> with malicious intent. Never be too hasty to ascribe malicious intent when
> sheer stupidity is a plausible explanation.
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Re: [MBZ] Resurrecting dead batteries

[G Mann via Mercedes]

It's been a few decades since college chemistry classes, but the dead
battery has accumulated particles of lead sulfate which is the reaction of
the lead plates and the sulfuric acid solution over time.  As the particles
separate from the plates, they migrate to the space at the bottom of the
plates and "pile up". Eventually, the pile fills the available space and
bridge the plates, which shorts them out, and causes a 12 volt battery to
become a 10 volt battery.. or something less, depending on how much plate
contact is made

Thus the pounding to break up the lead sulphate stack... after dumping
out the sulfuric acid... then a wash out with distilled water and Epsom
salt [alkaline to neutralize the acid / lead reaction on surface of the
lead plates

So the process, in principle at least, is to dump the acid, beat the
stack of sulphates loose, flush them out.. fill with distilled water and
Epsom salts and apply a charge on the "tired plates" for 36 to 48 hours
THEN flush them again to carry away the residual particles of lead sulphate
that were still attached to the plate surface [hopefully] leaving "clean"
lead that will react with "Clean acid" solution, and make 2.5 volts at each
of the 6 cells of the 12 volt battery...

Personally.,, buy a new battery turn in the dead one as a
core.. let the battery recycle people reclaim the acid... and the lead
and the plastic case.. [they do all of that.]  and go on with life...

On Sat, Sep 30, 2017 at 3:31 PM, fmiser via Mercedes 
wrote:

> > > Kaleb wrote:
> > >
> > > See that's the thing. So all these videos show dumping the
> > > acid and refilling with distilled water and epsom salt, so I
> > > guess then it does not have acid anymore, unless the salt
> > > water turns into acid.
>
> The salt water is alkaline, I believe.  So it won't turn to acid.
>
> > Mitch wrote:
>
> > They don't show you driving to FLAPS, ordering a gallon of
> > H2SO4, and refilling the battery?
> >
> > I remember reading similar advice in the Tips column in Cycle
> > Magazine in the early 1970s, pretty much amounted to dump acid,
> > refill with water, wrap in foam padding, beat with sledgehammer,
> > flush with water, beat (gently) with sledgehammer, repeat until
> > water comes out clean, refill with factory fresh battery acid.
>
> I probably depends on _why_ and _how_ the battery failed.
>
> Beating it will dislodge the crud on the plates exposing "fresh"
> lead.  That should result in almost new battery performance - but
> with thinner plates it won't be as durable either from vibration
> or deep discharge.
>
> I haven't tried any of the above.  Maybe I should...
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Re: [MBZ] 1984 Mercedes Benz 300TDT Station wagon - cars & trucks - by owner - vehicle automotive sale

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Recommend you contact the seller (if not already done) and get more pix, maybe 
arrange for PPI at a nearby garage.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On September 30, 2017 4:41:11 PM EDT, Michael Esh via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>Or, is any one else close enough to check on it?
>I’ll pay a reasonable fee. 
>
>Mike
>231894-5505
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>
>
>
>> On Sep 30, 2017, at 1:50 PM, Michael Esh via Mercedes
> wrote:
>> 
>> Kaleb, 
>> Are you close enough to check this out?  Do you have time. I’m very
>serious about getting this if it is mostly rust free. 
>> 
>>
>https://tulsa.craigslist.org/cto/d/1984-mercedes-benz-300tdt/6321438154.html
>> 
>> 
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[MBZ] Pick 'n' Pull?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Anyone got a decent PnP they go to that might have some W210 chassis cars in it?

I am looking for the plastic box that’s located under the radio.  In some cars, 
like mine, that had the factory cell phone option the cell phone controller is 
located behind the door along with a small recess for storing pens and pencils 
or something.  It’s the same assembly with the cell phone delete, except 
there’s a large plastic box in place of the cell phone controller.  Plastic 
tabs hold both in place, it’s a simple matter of popping the whole assembly out 
if you can reach in where the radio opening is and release a tab.  Once that’s 
done the whole thing comes out, then it’s a couple of plastic tabs on the top 
and bottom of the box to free it from the door assembly.

The box does not appear to be sold as a service part, and I don’t want the 
whole assembly as I want to keep my door so my interior wood matches.

Thanks,

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Resurrecting dead batteries

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> > Kaleb wrote:
> >
> > See that's the thing. So all these videos show dumping the
> > acid and refilling with distilled water and epsom salt, so I
> > guess then it does not have acid anymore, unless the salt
> > water turns into acid.

The salt water is alkaline, I believe.  So it won't turn to acid.

> Mitch wrote:

> They don't show you driving to FLAPS, ordering a gallon of
> H2SO4, and refilling the battery?
> 
> I remember reading similar advice in the Tips column in Cycle
> Magazine in the early 1970s, pretty much amounted to dump acid,
> refill with water, wrap in foam padding, beat with sledgehammer,
> flush with water, beat (gently) with sledgehammer, repeat until
> water comes out clean, refill with factory fresh battery acid.

I probably depends on _why_ and _how_ the battery failed.

Beating it will dislodge the crud on the plates exposing "fresh"
lead.  That should result in almost new battery performance - but
with thinner plates it won't be as durable either from vibration
or deep discharge.

I haven't tried any of the above.  Maybe I should...

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Re: [MBZ] Total my car

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> On September 30, 2017 at 3:06 PM G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
 
> About now.. I would be dialing a lawyer... were it me.

She's in Alaska, but I'm pretty sure Clay has been telling her all about it.
Agree with you that messing with titled property that belongs to neither him 
nor his employer is clearly illegal, I just no longer think it done was with 
malicious intent. Never be too hasty to ascribe malicious intent when sheer 
stupidity is a plausible explanation. 
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 1984 Mercedes Benz 300TDT Station wagon - cars & trucks - by owner - vehicle automotive sale

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Or, is any one else close enough to check on it?
I’ll pay a reasonable fee. 

Mike
231894-5505
Michael E. Esh



> On Sep 30, 2017, at 1:50 PM, Michael Esh via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Kaleb, 
> Are you close enough to check this out?  Do you have time. I’m very serious 
> about getting this if it is mostly rust free. 
> 
> https://tulsa.craigslist.org/cto/d/1984-mercedes-benz-300tdt/6321438154.html
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] New W210 Wagon

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Nope, not nylon - waxed cotton or dacron flat cord.

On Sat, Sep 30, 2017 at 1:34 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
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> I would believe that.  If the harness was only laced with nylon tape….
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Sep 30, 2017, at 2:10 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > It was probably done by an avionics tech . . .
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Total my car

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Seems to me, you have legal standing to bring suit against them for
such actions. Far and above any damage done to you, or your car.

In this state, such actions would qualify for a tripple damages clause
in the settlement at court.
Case could be made the offending INSco bypassed all legal restraint
and violated insurance license requirements of ethical actions.

About now.. I would be dialing a lawyer... were it me.

On 9/30/17, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  wrote:
>
>> On September 29, 2017 at 9:48 PM clay monroe via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>>
>>
>> they did the dirty deed on his say so with no paperwork.  He tried to
>> steal the car from the body shop and send it to Coparts.  It seems this
>> sort of thing happens a bunch, as there is a special section of DOL
>> dedicated to dealing with this.  I put in a call, but they are really busy
>> overturning adjusters who crap on people
>
> The more I think about it, the more I think it's just business as usual,
> proceeding blithely along and gittin 'er done as quickly as possible.
>
> The fact that it's not his/her car and they have no right to dispose of it
> unless they purchase it, and only after they have actually completed the
> purchase just never entered into their tiny brain.
>
> You don't have a contract with them that gives them the right to purchase
> your car. If you don't want to sell them the car, it's just a matter of
> arguing with them over the size of the check they'll have to give you to
> make you shut up and not sue their client.
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] New W210 Wagon

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I would believe that.  If the harness was only laced with nylon tape….

-D


> On Sep 30, 2017, at 2:10 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> It was probably done by an avionics tech . . .
> 


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Re: [MBZ] New W210 Wagon

[OK Don via Mercedes]

It was probably done by an avionics tech . . .

On Sat, Sep 30, 2017 at 6:05 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Of course Crutchfield doesn’t do installs, but it’s certainly possible a
> DIY’er did this who was very meticulous.  The crimp connectors they used
> appeared to be done with a pneumatic crimper, as they were all spaced
> exactly the same and very consistent.  Wire lengths were all the same and
> the harness was tie wrapped neatly with all the wires laid out in order.
> It was a thing of beauty.
>
> Crutchfield has a hard time with harnesses for the Bose systems.  I’ve
> found they like to provide the Metra harness that has RCA jacks for the
> amplifier inputs, which rarely works well, even with a head unit that has
> 4.0 volt preamp outputs.  The other Metra harness that is just speaker
> wires is the best as the amp ends up getting driven really hard, which it
> needs to provide the best sound.
>
> -D
>
>
>
> > On Sep 30, 2017, at 12:07 AM, Craig via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, 29 Sep 2017 21:21:45 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> >
> >> Did a preliminary survey of the aftermarket Pioneer head unit in the
> >> car, as the youngest son was getting all foamy looking at it.  Whoever
> >> installed it was a real professional.  Machine made crimps, the proper
> >> Metra adapter harness to go directly to the car’s harness without
> >> hacking things up, everything bundled and tie wrapped, very, very
> >> nicely done.
> >
> > Crutchfield?
> >
> >
> > Craig
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Resurrecting dead batteries

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

They don't work without acid.  The acid's sulfur combines (reversibly) with
the lead as part of the electrochemical reaction.  Anything else is more
like a cleaning step.

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[MBZ] 1984 Mercedes Benz 300TDT Station wagon - cars & trucks - by owner - vehicle automotive sale

[Michael Esh via Mercedes]

Kaleb, 
Are you close enough to check this out?  Do you have time. I’m very serious 
about getting this if it is mostly rust free. 

https://tulsa.craigslist.org/cto/d/1984-mercedes-benz-300tdt/6321438154.html


Michael E. Esh


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Re: [MBZ] New W210 Wagon

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

YOU DIDN'T STICK YOU'RE THUMB OVER THE LISENS PLATE!

--R


On 9/30/17 1:18 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Let’s try this:

Here is a link to my web site with pictures of the wagon pre-Martha’ed.

http://penoff.com/Penoff.com/1998_E320_Wagon_Photos.html

-D




On Sep 30, 2017, at 10:12 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
wrote:

Don’t know.  CANBUS works at various frequencies, so I’m not sure if a logical 
high or low signal is enough.  Hoping Jaime will weigh in here as this is his 
area of expertise.

-D



On Sep 30, 2017, at 9:26 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes  
wrote:

What is the wake up signal?  Just a high/low voltage or some sort of digital 
code?  If it is just a voltage, whatever it is just give it some electrons of 
the proper flavor.

--R


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Re: [MBZ] Test Message

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

This messaged did not show up

--R



On 9/30/17 1:15 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

I’ve sent some messages to the list today but it’s not showing up.

??

-D
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Re: [MBZ] Test Message

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Yeah, it looks like it was just a single message I sent with a link to my web 
site with pictures of the car.  Didn’t find it in the OkieBenz byte bucket, but 
it didn’t appear to be going through.  I appended it to the radio thread and it 
went through.

Weird.

-D


> On Sep 30, 2017, at 1:17 PM, Dwight Giles  wrote:
> 
> About the radio and new car? I saw those.
> 
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
> 
> On Sat, Sep 30, 2017 at 1:15 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> I’ve sent some messages to the list today but it’s not showing up.
> 
> ??
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Re: [MBZ] New W210 Wagon

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Let’s try this:

Here is a link to my web site with pictures of the wagon pre-Martha’ed.

http://penoff.com/Penoff.com/1998_E320_Wagon_Photos.html

-D



> On Sep 30, 2017, at 10:12 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Don’t know.  CANBUS works at various frequencies, so I’m not sure if a 
> logical high or low signal is enough.  Hoping Jaime will weigh in here as 
> this is his area of expertise.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Sep 30, 2017, at 9:26 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> What is the wake up signal?  Just a high/low voltage or some sort of digital 
>> code?  If it is just a voltage, whatever it is just give it some electrons 
>> of the proper flavor.
>> 
>> --R
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Re: [MBZ] Test Message

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

About the radio and new car? I saw those.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

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> I’ve sent some messages to the list today but it’s not showing up.
>
> ??
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[MBZ] Test Message

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I’ve sent some messages to the list today but it’s not showing up.

??

-D
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Re: [MBZ] Resurrecting dead batteries

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

They don't show you driving to FLAPS, ordering a gallon of H2SO4, and refilling 
the battery?

I remember reading similar advice in the Tips column in Cycle Magazine in the 
early 1970s, pretty much amounted to dump acid, refill with water, wrap in foam 
padding, beat with sledgehammer, flush with water, beat (gently) with 
sledgehammer, repeat until water comes out clean, refill with factory fresh 
battery acid. But I can't remember actually doing that to a motorcycle battery. 

When the Interstate died in my first car, I did the above and it worked. Except 
I shook the battery and bounced it in the grass instead of hitting it with a 
BFH. I parked the car a year or two later so I can't say how long the fix would 
have lasted. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Resurrecting dead batteries

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

See that's the thing. So all these videos show dumping the acid and refilling 
with distilled water and epsom salt, so I guess then it does not have acid 
anymore, unless the salt water turns into acid. I just don't know about battery 
chemistry and such. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 30, 2017, at 10:44 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Throwing in the towel now or flushing them with distilled again, filling with 
> battery acid from FLAPS, and trying to charge them up?
> 
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Resurrecting dead batteries

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Throwing in the towel now or flushing them with distilled again, filling with 
battery acid from FLAPS, and trying to charge them up?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] A car for Jaime

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> On September 30, 2017 at 11:16 AM Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Looks like a grandson got hold of it, ruined it, and lost interest.

Is that a 108 or a 109?
I assume if it was a 109 they wouldn't have to 'bag' it?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] To Boost or Not to Boost.

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Max.

I'm still in the research stage, though it does tend toward pulling it apart.

Fred.


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From: Mercedes  on behalf of Max Dillon via 
Mercedes 
Sent: 30 September 2017 10:26
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Max Dillon
Subject: Re: [MBZ] To Boost or Not to Boost.

Fred,

If carbon movement is a concern, I don't see how you can avoid removing 
complete intake assembly and cleaning.  Biodiesel is a great solvent for DIY, 
otherwise a hot dip tank at a machine shop.
--
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300
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[MBZ] Resurrecting dead batteries

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

So I had a set of batteries out of the truck I was going to try to see if I 
could drain the batteries and fill with distilled water and epsom salt solution 
as shown online in many videos. Did that, put on charger at 2 amps which they 
say to leave on for 36-48 hours. After probably 18 hours it was up to about 
10.5 volts. Went out the next day and it was down to about 9.2, so went down 
instead of up. Was on the charger another day and it was still 9 or so, so I 
pulled them off and called it a failure. With the caps off I would see an 
occasional bubble ever now and then but not a steady amount on all cells like 
you would expect.

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Re: [MBZ] A car for Jaime

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

Looks like a grandson got hold of it, ruined it, and lost interest.

So sad.

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> 1969 Mercedes
>
> https://kansascity.craigslist.org/bfs/d/1969-mercedes/6326464693.html
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Re: [MBZ] Total my car

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> On September 29, 2017 at 9:48 PM clay monroe via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> they did the dirty deed on his say so with no paperwork.  He tried to steal 
> the car from the body shop and send it to Coparts.  It seems this sort of 
> thing happens a bunch, as there is a special section of DOL dedicated to 
> dealing with this.  I put in a call, but they are really busy overturning 
> adjusters who crap on people

The more I think about it, the more I think it's just business as usual, 
proceeding blithely along and gittin 'er done as quickly as possible.  

The fact that it's not his/her car and they have no right to dispose of it 
unless they purchase it, and only after they have actually completed the 
purchase just never entered into their tiny brain. 

You don't have a contract with them that gives them the right to purchase your 
car. If you don't want to sell them the car, it's just a matter of arguing with 
them over the size of the check they'll have to give you to make you shut up 
and not sue their client. 
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] To Boost or Not to Boost.

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Fred,

If carbon movement is a concern, I don't see how you can avoid removing 
complete intake assembly and cleaning.  Biodiesel is a great solvent for DIY, 
otherwise a hot dip tank at a machine shop.
-- 
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Charleston SC
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'95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] New W210 Wagon

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Don’t know.  CANBUS works at various frequencies, so I’m not sure if a logical 
high or low signal is enough.  Hoping Jaime will weigh in here as this is his 
area of expertise.

-D


> On Sep 30, 2017, at 9:26 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> What is the wake up signal?  Just a high/low voltage or some sort of digital 
> code?  If it is just a voltage, whatever it is just give it some electrons of 
> the proper flavor.
> 
> --R


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Re: [MBZ] To Boost or Not to Boost.

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

F.

I do not intend to "Unblock" the EGR port, just make sure that the carbon 
chunks don't come adrift.

Also, the valve itself is original and it sealing ability is suspect. Both blow 
and suck.

Onward and upward, charge!

Fred.


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From: Mercedes  on behalf of fmiser via Mercedes 

Sent: 30 September 2017 02:36
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: fmiser
Subject: Re: [MBZ] To Boost or Not to Boost.

> Fred wrote:

> Being the curious type, investigation of the EGR valve found
> that the port was totally blocked with hard carbon.

Good!!  EGR blocked is a _good_ thing.  Sometimes an errant BB
will find it's way into the vacuum line that controls the EGR and
prevents it from ever operating.
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Re: [MBZ] New W210 Wagon

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

What is the wake up signal?  Just a high/low voltage or some sort of 
digital code?  If it is just a voltage, whatever it is just give it some 
electrons of the proper flavor.


--R


On 9/30/17 8:55 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

The only difference is the third connector that the CANBUS signals come in on.  
One is power, another ground, and the third a “wake up” signal.  There are 
signals for the steering wheel controls (CAN-high, CAN-low), too, but I don’t 
care about those and I don’t see them having any effect on the radio’s 
operation.

I’m just wondering how I can spoof the wake up signal, or if it’s even 
necessary.

I haven’t dug into the console on the 98 yet to see if there’s a third 
connector.  There should be since it’s got a CD changer.

I’ve got a spare BE 3309 I can slap on it just to see. I’ll probably try that 
today when I have a minute.

-D



On Sep 30, 2017, at 8:46 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:

I have radios of both varieties on the shelf. I had thought about seeing if the 
new style would work in place of the old in an older 210

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Re: [MBZ] wife is bored wants a different car -- Mercedes e320 CDI - $7500

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

I like that thing.  Kinda rusty but it would be very useful.

--R


On 9/29/17 9:19 PM, clay monroe via Mercedes wrote:

https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/cto/d/mercedes-209d-van-1984/6315611318.html

maybe this one?


clay

1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei
1982 300 SD - Allen

retired models-
2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








On Sep 29, 2017, at 7:05 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes  
wrote:

No pictures of the wife

https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/d/mercedes-e320-cdi/6293164696.html

--R


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Re: [MBZ] New W210 Wagon

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

The spare I have is a BE6003/Audio 30.  It has a D2B fiber connector on the 
back along with the other analog connections.

I just took it out and plugged it into the wagon and it worked perfectly.  No 
CD changer, but I wasn’t surprised by that since the changer it works with is 
fiber, not copper.

The Audio 30 unit in the 2002 is supposed to be a B3309, so I’m not completely 
sure what the difference is.  The 3309 doesn’t show as having a D2B fiber 
connection, which could mean my changer would still work in the wagon.

Jaime?

More as I know it.

-D

> On Sep 30, 2017, at 8:46 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have radios of both varieties on the shelf. I had thought about seeing if 
> the new style would work in place of the old in an older 210
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] New W210 Wagon

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I know the older radios the 3rd connector is cd changer. So if 3rd connector on 
these is canbus then I guess you couldn't hook up cd changer

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 30, 2017, at 7:55 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> The only difference is the third connector that the CANBUS signals come in 
> on.  One is power, another ground, and the third a “wake up” signal.  There 
> are signals for the steering wheel controls (CAN-high, CAN-low), too, but I 
> don’t care about those and I don’t see them having any effect on the radio’s 
> operation.
> 
> I’m just wondering how I can spoof the wake up signal, or if it’s even 
> necessary.
> 
> I haven’t dug into the console on the 98 yet to see if there’s a third 
> connector.  There should be since it’s got a CD changer.
> 
> I’ve got a spare BE 3309 I can slap on it just to see. I’ll probably try that 
> today when I have a minute.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Sep 30, 2017, at 8:46 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I have radios of both varieties on the shelf. I had thought about seeing if 
>> the new style would work in place of the old in an older 210
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] New W210 Wagon

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

The only difference is the third connector that the CANBUS signals come in on.  
One is power, another ground, and the third a “wake up” signal.  There are 
signals for the steering wheel controls (CAN-high, CAN-low), too, but I don’t 
care about those and I don’t see them having any effect on the radio’s 
operation.

I’m just wondering how I can spoof the wake up signal, or if it’s even 
necessary.

I haven’t dug into the console on the 98 yet to see if there’s a third 
connector.  There should be since it’s got a CD changer.

I’ve got a spare BE 3309 I can slap on it just to see. I’ll probably try that 
today when I have a minute.

-D


> On Sep 30, 2017, at 8:46 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have radios of both varieties on the shelf. I had thought about seeing if 
> the new style would work in place of the old in an older 210
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 


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Re: [MBZ] New W210 Wagon

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I have radios of both varieties on the shelf. I had thought about seeing if the 
new style would work in place of the old in an older 210

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 30, 2017, at 7:40 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Maybe Jaime will jump in here, but as far as I know the only thing I might 
> have to do is add the “wake up” signal to the third connector that the CANBUS 
> input needs.
> 
> Otherwise, the analog connections are all the same. The only difference is in 
> the third connector where the CANBUS signals come and go.
> 
> I have a service manual for the radio that details all the connections.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 30, 2017, at 8:27 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Let me know if that works, I don't think it will since the 98 uses the older 
>> 14 whatever number it is which was the same one found in 94 and up 124 140 
>> etc. in 99 they went to the new iirc fiber optic radio that somewhat 
>> integrated into the the car. I know when I have the laptop hooked up to our 
>> 99 210s I can access the radio and it says diagnose on the radio display, so 
>> it's tied in somehow. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 30, 2017, at 7:22 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Correct.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 30, 2017, at 8:19 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 Are you saying you are going to take the factory radio out of the 02 and 
 put it in the 98?
 
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Re: [MBZ] Happy Moose Day

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Cue the ominous music from Jaws...

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Re: [MBZ] New W210 Wagon

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Maybe Jaime will jump in here, but as far as I know the only thing I might have 
to do is add the “wake up” signal to the third connector that the CANBUS input 
needs.

Otherwise, the analog connections are all the same. The only difference is in 
the third connector where the CANBUS signals come and go.

I have a service manual for the radio that details all the connections.

-D



> On Sep 30, 2017, at 8:27 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Let me know if that works, I don't think it will since the 98 uses the older 
> 14 whatever number it is which was the same one found in 94 and up 124 140 
> etc. in 99 they went to the new iirc fiber optic radio that somewhat 
> integrated into the the car. I know when I have the laptop hooked up to our 
> 99 210s I can access the radio and it says diagnose on the radio display, so 
> it's tied in somehow. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 30, 2017, at 7:22 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Correct.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 30, 2017, at 8:19 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Are you saying you are going to take the factory radio out of the 02 and 
>>> put it in the 98?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] New W210 Wagon

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Let me know if that works, I don't think it will since the 98 uses the older 14 
whatever number it is which was the same one found in 94 and up 124 140 etc. in 
99 they went to the new iirc fiber optic radio that somewhat integrated into 
the the car. I know when I have the laptop hooked up to our 99 210s I can 
access the radio and it says diagnose on the radio display, so it's tied in 
somehow. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 30, 2017, at 7:22 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Correct.
> 
> 
>> On Sep 30, 2017, at 8:19 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Are you saying you are going to take the factory radio out of the 02 and put 
>> it in the 98?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] New W210 Wagon

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Correct.


> On Sep 30, 2017, at 8:19 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Are you saying you are going to take the factory radio out of the 02 and put 
> it in the 98?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] New W210 Wagon

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Are you saying you are going to take the factory radio out of the 02 and put it 
in the 98?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 29, 2017, at 8:21 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Got the oil and filter changed, found the cowl trim pieces were brittle as 
> glass and pretty much shattered when I removed them to clean the schmutz 
> underneath.  Very common on W210 chassis cars, so much so that the dealers 
> stock the parts and they’re pretty cheap.
> 
> Fought to reset the FSS until I found a very obscure reference that said you 
> had to have the doors closed to do it.  I had been trying while sitting in 
> the car with the driver’s door open.  Grrr.
> 
> Did a preliminary survey of the aftermarket Pioneer head unit in the car, as 
> the youngest son was getting all foamy looking at it.  Whoever installed it 
> was a real professional.  Machine made crimps, the proper Metra adapter 
> harness to go directly to the car’s harness without hacking things up, 
> everything bundled and tie wrapped, very, very nicely done.
> 
> I’m going to swap the Becker 3309 out of his car into mine and he’ll get the 
> fancy Pioneer with all the bells and whistles.
> 
> Tomorrow if the weather permits (we’re supposed to have a big tropical low 
> pressure system over us tomorrow) I’ll clay bar the exterior, wax and detail, 
> and maybe change the differential oil and replace some burned out lamps.
> 
> Already got a set of Mercedes carpeted floor mats coming in on the Tuesday 
> dealer stock order.  Gotta get a couple liters of hydraulic fluid to flush 
> the SLS (it’s really nasty looking), a filter for the SLS, and a few other 
> odds and ends.  I need to order another SmartKey so I have two, but I can’t 
> do that until I get my title.
> 
> For now I’m turning in for the night.
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Total my car

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

You’re being generous, unless the car is really clean.

Being sensitive to your plight after having to deal with the disposal of my 
former 2003 S420, I’d say your numbers are a little high.  These things are 
like cockroaches around here and they just don’t sell.  I’m not sure whether 
it’s the reputation they have for being a PITA to maintain or their lack of 
style/design that makes them look like every other car on the road.

During my recent search for a W210 I saw these littering CL in my area.  Almost 
as bad as the C class stuff.

-D



> On Sep 29, 2017, at 10:43 PM, clay monroe via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> IF the airmatic were functional, probably around $4-4.5k
> 
> Deduct $1k for having to deal with airmatic.  Replacement air springs can be 
> had for less than $300 a pair.  FoolTube videos from Arnott show the job 
> taking about 75 minutes for both sides.
> 
> clay
> 
>> On Sep 29, 2017, at 7:18 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Not even sure what those are worth.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 
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Re: [MBZ] New W210 Wagon

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Of course Crutchfield doesn’t do installs, but it’s certainly possible a DIY’er 
did this who was very meticulous.  The crimp connectors they used appeared to 
be done with a pneumatic crimper, as they were all spaced exactly the same and 
very consistent.  Wire lengths were all the same and the harness was tie 
wrapped neatly with all the wires laid out in order.  It was a thing of beauty.

Crutchfield has a hard time with harnesses for the Bose systems.  I’ve found 
they like to provide the Metra harness that has RCA jacks for the amplifier 
inputs, which rarely works well, even with a head unit that has 4.0 volt preamp 
outputs.  The other Metra harness that is just speaker wires is the best as the 
amp ends up getting driven really hard, which it needs to provide the best 
sound.

-D



> On Sep 30, 2017, at 12:07 AM, Craig via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 29 Sep 2017 21:21:45 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> Did a preliminary survey of the aftermarket Pioneer head unit in the
>> car, as the youngest son was getting all foamy looking at it.  Whoever
>> installed it was a real professional.  Machine made crimps, the proper
>> Metra adapter harness to go directly to the car’s harness without
>> hacking things up, everything bundled and tie wrapped, very, very
>> nicely done.
> 
> Crutchfield?
> 
> 
> Craig
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