date:20171028

The heat control has been flaky for some time, and as things cool down
it's getting more critical.  Just the lightest touch on the control
wheel would make it cut in and out.  (The monovalve LED I added some
time ago is really crucial for this kind of diagnostic.)  Today I
finally made some time and removed the ACC panel.  I removed the
potentiometer from the PCB and opened it up.  It's custom, no way to
come up with a replacement, except out of another unit.  I cleaned it
out, and used DeOxIt fader spray on it, and did a very light
wire-brushing of the circular tracks and the sliding metal fingers.
According to my meter, the resistance change is smooth, with no
intermittency.  We'll see if this works any better.  While I was there
I added another LED, this one for showing AC energization, behind the
center button.  I used the other LED from the same toy, but used the
blue side for this function.  I used another 680 ohm resistor from the
junk box, and hooked the series combination between the X1-7 (Klima)
pin and power.  Also, one of the two illumination lamps was
intermittent, so I replaced it with a new one.  All this took a little
over two hours.  On the test drive today it behaved well, but as it
was a warm day nothing much was proven.  The next cold morning drive
should be more definitive.

-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Strip It For Parts?

I’m calling the owner tomorrow and asking questions.

-D


> On Oct 28, 2017, at 9:14 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
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> 
> A good chance it’s something simple. The 722.6 is a very robust tranny.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Traid or buy. My daly drive, ice cold air. Just a few cosmetic things.

You sure that is not a listing from Arkansas?

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> On Oct 28, 2017, at 7:44 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Move along, no meth use here...
> 
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/mercedes-320/6331796760.html
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Strip It For Parts?

A good chance it’s something simple. The 722.6 is a very robust tranny.

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> On Oct 28, 2017, at 7:43 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Offer them $500 since it’s been on CL for almost a month.  Strip it for parts 
> and the the wheels?
> 
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/2002-mercedes-e320-mechanic/6335663952.html
> 
> -D
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Re: [MBZ] E300 dizzel codes

I was really tickled with the simplicity of the 240D. I will be dieseling in a 
240d before you know it. 

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> On Oct 28, 2017, at 7:29 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> This is another reason to stick with the 617s. These things are electrical 
> electronic and not designed to be easily serviced. And all cheap plastic bits 
> everywhere. Disposable and degradable. Sad. 
> 
> The seat switch wasn’t moving the seat well so I got another one at the 
> knackers. Replaced it this afternoon, fairly easy job as the door panel just 
> has a coupla screws and the push-in plastic spiny rivets so it pops off easy 
> enough. The new switch isn’t moving it either so now I’m thinking it must be 
> relays in there somewhere as the switch and wires are cheap and flimsy, 
> minimal stuff, they must just be switching relays. Who knows where all that 
> stuff might be. 
> 
> Man the 123s and 126s are looking better and better. 
> 
> --R
> Sent from iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 28, 2017, at 7:10 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Plugs can and probably will be a whore of a job. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Strip It For Parts?

The 4Matic version of the 722.6 is unique in the output shaft area. If he 
tranny is indeed toast, there’s no reason to pursue it, as they are hard to 
come by.

-D


> On Oct 28, 2017, at 9:08 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> It looks better than the E$500 dizzel.  The wheels are nicer than the sorta 
> spoked ones on the dizzel. 
> 
> Get it for $500, fix or replace tranny, flip it. I bet replacing that tranny 
> is a puta of a job though. 
> 
> --R
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Re: [MBZ] Strip It For Parts?

It looks better than the E$500 dizzel.  The wheels are nicer than the sorta 
spoked ones on the dizzel. 

Get it for $500, fix or replace tranny, flip it. I bet replacing that tranny is 
a puta of a job though. 

--R
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> On Oct 28, 2017, at 9:02 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I’m just wondering if it’s just a conductor plate issue.  That’s a couple of 
> hours and a couple hundred bucks.
> 
> I want the wheels.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Oct 28, 2017, at 8:57 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Is the tranny different on the AWD cars from the 2WD?  Probably different 
>> housing or something?  How much would a used tranny be?  There must be a 
>> bunch around. 
>> 
>> --R
>> Sent from iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 28, 2017, at 8:43 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Offer them $500 since it’s been on CL for almost a month.  Strip it for 
>>> parts and the the wheels?
>>> 
>>> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/2002-mercedes-e320-mechanic/6335663952.html
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Strip It For Parts?

I’m just wondering if it’s just a conductor plate issue.  That’s a couple of 
hours and a couple hundred bucks.

I want the wheels.

-D


> On Oct 28, 2017, at 8:57 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Is the tranny different on the AWD cars from the 2WD?  Probably different 
> housing or something?  How much would a used tranny be?  There must be a 
> bunch around. 
> 
> --R
> Sent from iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 28, 2017, at 8:43 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Offer them $500 since it’s been on CL for almost a month.  Strip it for 
>> parts and the the wheels?
>> 
>> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/2002-mercedes-e320-mechanic/6335663952.html
>> 
>> -D
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Traid or buy. My daly drive, ice cold air. Just a few cosmetic things.

Does he drive it to Daly FL?

--R
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> On Oct 28, 2017, at 8:44 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Move along, no meth use here...
> 
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/mercedes-320/6331796760.html
> 
> -D
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Re: [MBZ] Strip It For Parts?

Is the tranny different on the AWD cars from the 2WD?  Probably different 
housing or something?  How much would a used tranny be?  There must be a bunch 
around. 

--R
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> On Oct 28, 2017, at 8:43 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Offer them $500 since it’s been on CL for almost a month.  Strip it for parts 
> and the the wheels?
> 
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/2002-mercedes-e320-mechanic/6335663952.html
> 
> -D
> 
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[MBZ] Traid or buy. My daly drive, ice cold air. Just a few cosmetic things.

Move along, no meth use here...

https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/mercedes-320/6331796760.html

-D

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[MBZ] Strip It For Parts?

Offer them $500 since it’s been on CL for almost a month.  Strip it for parts 
and the the wheels?

https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/2002-mercedes-e320-mechanic/6335663952.html

-D


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Re: [MBZ] 2007 E350 no start

Crankshaft position sensor? While I know you didn’t say there was a code for 
it, that is a very common "cranks but no start” reason on earlier model engines.

I just googled your complaint and this came up:

https://repairpal.com/mercedes-benz-e350-2007/problems

CPS is one of the common complaints for this problem.

I would also be looking at fuel pressure, too.  Bad fuel pump can cause similar 
symptoms.

List of fault codes from BW:

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w163-m-class/1696815-list-fault-codes-dtc.html#post5643470

-D

> On Oct 28, 2017, at 7:57 PM, Tom Savage via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone, long time no see.
> 
> A friend has a 2007 E350 wagon M272 with 140k miles that won't fire, it
> just cranks and cranks. I pulled codes and it shows P0011 cam timing, bank
> 1 position A (intake); P0271 Powertain, which google says is associated
> with the first code; and P0521 Oil pressure switch.
> 
> I checked the cam solenoid magnet and it had the common failure mode of oil
> leaking through the connector at the top, so I installed a new one from the
> dealer this morning. Still no start.
> 
> Anyone familiar with these engines? I keep reading about balance shaft
> problems, but I'm not sure if that will cause a no start like this.
> 
> The P0521 looks like it may actually be a stuck flap in the intake
> manifold, but I'm not seeing any association with a no start. This is hard
> without a manual or proper diagnostic equipment!
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Thanks,
> Tom
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Re: [MBZ] E300 dizzel codes

This is another reason to stick with the 617s. These things are electrical 
electronic and not designed to be easily serviced. And all cheap plastic bits 
everywhere. Disposable and degradable. Sad. 

The seat switch wasn’t moving the seat well so I got another one at the 
knackers. Replaced it this afternoon, fairly easy job as the door panel just 
has a coupla screws and the push-in plastic spiny rivets so it pops off easy 
enough. The new switch isn’t moving it either so now I’m thinking it must be 
relays in there somewhere as the switch and wires are cheap and flimsy, minimal 
stuff, they must just be switching relays. Who knows where all that stuff might 
be. 

Man the 123s and 126s are looking better and better. 

--R
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> On Oct 28, 2017, at 7:10 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Plugs can and probably will be a whore of a job. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] 2007 E350 no start

Fuel pressure?
Mitch

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[MBZ] 2007 E350 no start

2017-10-28 Thread Tom Savage via Mercedes

Hi everyone, long time no see.

A friend has a 2007 E350 wagon M272 with 140k miles that won't fire, it
just cranks and cranks. I pulled codes and it shows P0011 cam timing, bank
1 position A (intake); P0271 Powertain, which google says is associated
with the first code; and P0521 Oil pressure switch.

I checked the cam solenoid magnet and it had the common failure mode of oil
leaking through the connector at the top, so I installed a new one from the
dealer this morning. Still no start.

Anyone familiar with these engines? I keep reading about balance shaft
problems, but I'm not sure if that will cause a no start like this.

The P0521 looks like it may actually be a stuck flap in the intake
manifold, but I'm not seeing any association with a no start. This is hard
without a manual or proper diagnostic equipment!

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Tom
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Re: [MBZ] E300 dizzel codes

Plugs can and probably will be a whore of a job. 

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> On Oct 28, 2017, at 6:01 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> OK it looks like my HF code reader picked up 4 codes off the OBDII port:
> 
> P0380
> 
> P1369
> 
> P0100
> 
> P0400
> 
> Details below but looks like
> 
> P0380 is a bad glow plug or relay or something
> 
> P1369 looks like a bad glow plug #5 or 6
> 
> P0100 Bad mass air flow sensor  ($178 cleaner $7)
> 
> P0400 EGR malfunction (EGR valve maybe?  or relay or solenoid or something? 
> Or maybe just a vacuum leak per below)
> 
> It seems that changing GPs on this car is a complete PITA but I guess that is 
> what is needed if the relay is passing juice.  I think it is as the car will 
> start though the battery seems to be running down fairly quickly after 
> sitting a few days, I'm wondering if something is stuck pulling electrons.
> 
> Looks like a little diagnosis time...
> 
> --FT
> 
> (there is a bunch of stuff below I am using this email as a repository, maybe 
> someone else will find it useful!)
> 
> 
> 
> P0380 Glow Plug/Heater Circuit A Malfunction
> 
> P1369 Engine Temperature Light Monitor Failure
> 
> Does the temp light come on when you start the car? I think it is on, on my 
> car during the glow period. It's a red light that looks like a thermometer 
> next to the temp gauge.
> 
> P1 369 is for a bad Glow Plug as posted!!
> 
> I thought P1_369 was a bad #5 or 6 GP???
> 
> Is your GP light on?
> 
> I had a glow plug go bad it was #5 plug (code P1369, #5 cyl Ign cir short) I 
> changed all the plugs & also Glowplug relay (I messed this up during my 
> checking trying to undo a tight nut on power supply) but the check engine 
> light is still on with still the same code. Will this eventually go out or is 
> this a dealer reset situation.
> 
> 
>   Code P1369 - 5cyl - ignition circuit short to ground - Would
>   anybody be willing to explain what it means and how to fix it.
>   Thank you.
> 
> 
>   That is self-explanatory, the ignition key is grounding out, it
>   probably needs to be replaced. What is the car doing?
> 
> I am getting the following errors.
> 
> P0380---faulty glow plug relay
> 
> P1369---faulty glow plug
> 
> My questions is are both bad or is one causing the other? Each morning the 
> glow plug light functions properly for the first start but after that it give 
> the error each time. I hate to spend the money on a relay if the plugs are 
> the problem but I also hate to change the plugs if its just the relay. Is 
> there any way to know which it is or if it is both? Would really like to fix 
> this before winter sets in.
> I have been down this road several times with my 99 E300-TD and, to my mind, 
> the only solution is to do whatever is necessary to prevent future 
> occurences. This is a very expensive, but necessary, maintenance item. 
> Approximately each 100k km I have experienced these symptoms and have 
> concluded that one or more glow plug is faulty. Given the labour to remove 
> and replace the glow plugs, I change all six plugs, even though only one or 
> two have failed. On the last visit, at @ 300k km, the relay was found to be 
> "intermittent" and was also changed. This is about a $1000 proposition but, 
> to my mind, cheaper that the 3-4 major tune ups that an equivalent gasoline 
> engine would have required during the same 100km.
> That is why I would check the resistance of the individual glow plugs first! 
> If they check out, then test the relay.
> 
> At first glance I can't see how the glow plug fault would fault the relay. 
> The relay is either on for a period of time and passes voltage then off or 
> it's always off or always on, both of the later create faults. Good luck
> the car computer can sense something wrong with the circuit, but can not 
> pinpoint the bad item. That what multimeter is for.
> If the engine starts fine in the morning, that is indication at least some 
> plugs work, meaning the relay is good.
> so if the relay tests fine it could be throwing the code only because of the 
> plugs or vice versa? just want to get an idea if i will probably need to 
> replace the relay no matter what or if there is a chance it is ok and the 
> plugs are just confusing it.
> Those systems are fool proof. The relay is either open or closed, voltage 
> does not get to the glow plug(s) or regardless of key position voltage is on 
> and your battery drains.
> 
> You must test each glow plugs resistance, if they are low say 6-8 ohms they 
> are still good. Then test the voltage at the relay, with the key in 0 and 2. 
> If you get 12V with key at zero--whoops. If you get 12V after 
> car runs for three minutes--whoops.
> 
> The relay is about 150 bucks.
> 
> "Engine Temperature Light Monitor Failure" (P1369)
> 
> P0100 Hot-film mass-air sensor ME-SFI  fault code description
> P0100 Mass or Volume Air Flow Circuit

[MBZ] E300 dizzel codes

OK it looks like my HF code reader picked up 4 codes off the OBDII port:

P0380

P1369

P0100

P0400

Details below but looks like

P0380 is a bad glow plug or relay or something

P1369 looks like a bad glow plug #5 or 6

P0100 Bad mass air flow sensor ($178 cleaner $7)

P0400 EGR malfunction (EGR valve maybe? or relay or solenoid or
something? Or maybe just a vacuum leak per below)

It seems that changing GPs on this car is a complete PITA but I guess
that is what is needed if the relay is passing juice. I think it is as
the car will start though the battery seems to be running down fairly
quickly after sitting a few days, I'm wondering if something is stuck
pulling electrons.

Looks like a little diagnosis time...

--FT

(there is a bunch of stuff below I am using this email as a repository,
maybe someone else will find it useful!)

P0380 Glow Plug/Heater Circuit A Malfunction

P1369 Engine Temperature Light Monitor Failure

Does the temp light come on when you start the car? I think it is on, on
my car during the glow period. It's a red light that looks like a
thermometer next to the temp gauge.

P1 369 is for a bad Glow Plug as posted!!

I thought P1_369 was a bad #5 or 6 GP???

Is your GP light on?

I had a glow plug go bad it was #5 plug (code P1369, #5 cyl Ign cir
short) I changed all the plugs & also Glowplug relay (I messed this up
during my checking trying to undo a tight nut on power supply) but the
check engine light is still on with still the same code. Will this
eventually go out or is this a dealer reset situation.

Code P1369 - 5cyl - ignition circuit short to ground - Would
anybody be willing to explain what it means and how to fix it.
Thank you.

That is self-explanatory, the ignition key is grounding out, it
probably needs to be replaced. What is the car doing?

I am getting the following errors.

P0380---faulty glow plug relay

P1369---faulty glow plug

My questions is are both bad or is one causing the other? Each morning
the glow plug light functions properly for the first start but after
that it give the error each time. I hate to spend the money on a relay
if the plugs are the problem but I also hate to change the plugs if its
just the relay. Is there any way to know which it is or if it is both?
Would really like to fix this before winter sets in.
I have been down this road several times with my 99 E300-TD and, to my
mind, the only solution is to do whatever is necessary to prevent future
occurences. This is a very expensive, but necessary, maintenance item.
Approximately each 100k km I have experienced these symptoms and have
concluded that one or more glow plug is faulty. Given the labour to
remove and replace the glow plugs, I change all six plugs, even though
only one or two have failed. On the last visit, at @ 300k km, the relay
was found to be "intermittent" and was also changed. This is about a
$1000 proposition but, to my mind, cheaper that the 3-4 major tune ups
that an equivalent gasoline engine would have required during the same
100km.
That is why I would check the resistance of the individual glow plugs
first! If they check out, then test the relay.

At first glance I can't see how the glow plug fault would fault the
relay. The relay is either on for a period of time and passes voltage
then off or it's always off or always on, both of the later create
faults. Good luck
the car computer can sense something wrong with the circuit, but can not
pinpoint the bad item. That what multimeter is for.
If the engine starts fine in the morning, that is indication at least
some plugs work, meaning the relay is good.
so if the relay tests fine it could be throwing the code only because of
the plugs or vice versa? just want to get an idea if i will probably
need to replace the relay no matter what or if there is a chance it is
ok and the plugs are just confusing it.
Those systems are fool proof. The relay is either open or closed,
voltage does not get to the glow plug(s) or regardless of key position
voltage is on and your battery drains.

You must test each glow plugs resistance, if they are low say 6-8 ohms
they are still good. Then test the voltage at the relay, with the key in
0 and 2. If you get 12V with key at zero--whoops. If you
get 12V after car runs for three minutes--whoops.

The relay is about 150 bucks.

"Engine Temperature Light Monitor Failure" (P1369)

P0100 Hot-film mass-air sensor ME-SFI fault code description
P0100 Mass or Volume Air Flow Circuit Malfunction
P2004 B2/5 (HFM sensor)(P0100)
P2004 B2/5 (Hot film MAF sensor)(P0100)

P0400 Exhaust Gas Recirculation Flow Malfunction
P2001 Malfunction of exhaust gas recirculation (functional chain)(P0400)

https://mbworld.org/forums/diesel-forum/600047-96-e300-diesel-check-engine-light-p0400-car-jerks-when-shifts-gears.html
I own a '96 E300 Diesel with 240,000 miles and it has

Re: [MBZ] How do you know when you monovalve is bad?

No joke. I did get the monovalve replaced in the SDL. It’s a pain getting to 
the screws since it since down between the firewalls. It’s not bad on the older 
ones but this one has some sort of diagnostic port right above it limiting the 
room I had to get my hands down in there.

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On Oct 28, 2017, at 2:35 PM, fmiser via Mercedes  wrote:

>> Kaleb wrote:
> 
>> Probably should do a valve adjustment while I’m at it.  No
>> telling when that has been done. It’s been years since I have
>> done this job.
> 
> I think you are getting in over you head.  Better sell that thing
> quick before you go crazy!
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Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment

It’s been sitting for a week cold. Just finished the adjustment. Took me a 
couple of valves to get back in the groove of it. It’s probably been 10 years 
since I have done a valve adjustment on one of these. I looked at chain stretch 
and it is right on the mark at tdc, so no chain stretch. Cams lobs look like 
new. Amazing. Anyway, I am looking at the belts now and they actually look 
good, but I am thinking I need to replace them as well.

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On Oct 28, 2017, at 2:38 PM, fmiser via Mercedes  wrote:

>> Kaleb wrote:
> 
>> So I can look it up but am lazy. What is the intake and exhaust
>> specs supposed to be? Also I am trying to remember if it’s best
>> to do it on a warm or cold engine. I seem to recall I have
>> always done it cold.
> 
> Cold.  Like "sit all night" cold.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment

2017-10-28 Thread fmiser via Mercedes

> Kaleb wrote:

> So I can look it up but am lazy. What is the intake and exhaust
> specs supposed to be? 

0.1 mm intake,  0.35 mm exhaust

or 0.004 inch intake, 0.014 inch exhaust.



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Re: [MBZ] Valve adjustment

2017-10-28 Thread fmiser via Mercedes

> Kaleb wrote:

> So I can look it up but am lazy. What is the intake and exhaust
> specs supposed to be? Also I am trying to remember if it’s best
> to do it on a warm or cold engine. I seem to recall I have
> always done it cold.

Cold.  Like "sit all night" cold.


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Re: [MBZ] How do you know when you monovalve is bad?

2017-10-28 Thread fmiser via Mercedes

> Kaleb wrote:

> Probably should do a valve adjustment while I’m at it.  No
> telling when that has been done. It’s been years since I have
> done this job.

I think you are getting in over you head.  Better sell that thing
quick before you go crazy!

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Re: [MBZ] Tires


> On October 28, 2017 at 2:45 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> The tires on this 240d are dated 3105. They still look good. My guess is they 
> should be replaced.

How much UV exposure have they had, and how much of the last 12 years was 
indoors?

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[MBZ] Tires

The tires on this 240d are dated 3105. They still look good. My guess is they 
should be replaced.

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Re: [MBZ] Euro 560SEL anyone?

2017-10-28 Thread Dimitri via Mercedes

White trash doesn’t eat real butter.

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> On Oct 28, 2017, at 1:33 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> Only time I was there I got frustrated b/c all they had was margarine - no 
> butter.
> 
>> On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 9:40 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> Ok then, Little Rock is a dirty, skeevy place. No political or Mercedes 
>> content!
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> > On Oct 27, 2017, at 4:27 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>> >  wrote:
>> >
>> > I was going to excoriate you for politicizing our chat room, but then you
>> > added Mercedes content so you're off the hook.
>> >
>> > On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 3:50 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
>> > 
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> If a man and a woman in Arkansas get a divorce are they still brother
>> >> and sister?
>> >>
>> >> Saw an article some months ago where Arkansas had a bill before the
>> >> legislature to remove Bill Clinton's name from several street signs and
>> >> public venues in Arkansas. Guess the tide of public opinion has changed
>> >> there...
>> >>
>> >> Besides, he doesn't drive a Mercedes...
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 12:19 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> You can't punish the Clintons by avoiding AR.  It's a reliablyredstate
>> >> now.
>> >>>
>> >>> On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 10:04 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
>> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>>  I have been there. I felt really dirty afterwards.
>> 
>>  Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> > On Oct 26, 2017, at 8:50 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
>>  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > You were at the Clinton liebury and massage parlor?
>> >
>> > (BTW it does look like a doublewide on stilts down by the river)
>> >
>> > --R
>> > Sent from iPhone
>> >
>> >> On Oct 26, 2017, at 8:52 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes <
>>  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I was in Little Rock about 13 yrs ago for a job interview. I pulled
>>  into some cheap motel and asked for a room. The proprietor asked me if
>> >>> I’d
>>  like to see it and gave me the key. I walked in and a swarm of
>> >>> cockroaches
>>  dashed across the floor. I went back to the office and he asked me
>> >> what I
>>  thought. I told him thanks but too many roaches. I then proceeded to
>> >> the
>>  “best” hotel in town- a Hilton. Got a room, used the bathroom and to my
>>  disgust, realized that the walls smelled of fecal matter.
>> >>
>> >> That experience, coupled with all the political and other scandals
>> >>> that
>>  came out of that place made me vow to never go there again.
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>
>> >>> On Oct 26, 2017, at 8:37 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>>  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> No, but there is certainly room for 2-3 dead hookers, maybe more.
>> >>>
>> >>> -D
>> >>>
>> >>>
>>  On Oct 26, 2017, at 7:46 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes <
>>  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>  Did it come with a dead body in the trunk?
>> 
>>  Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> > On Oct 26, 2017, at 7:38 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>>  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Careful. That’s where my now former 350SDL came from.
>> >
>> > -D
>> >
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Re: [MBZ] Window rubbers

Simple.  Then he should consult Dave’s list and buy from one of the online 
dealers.

I can’t stress this enough, I would never, ever buy a windshield seal or window 
seal from anyone but Mercedes.  They are highly engineered parts that are 
difficult to copy at best.  Add to that the ease in which a manufacturer can 
cut corners when formulating the rubber used which will cause it to age out in 
a very short time.

Buy a URO.  Look under the edge at the 6:00 position for the MB part number.  
It won’t be there.  Look in the lower corners for the little “third lip” on the 
seal.  It won’t be there.  Try stretching it out a bit.  You’ll see voids and 
cracks in the rubber.

-D

> On Oct 28, 2017, at 12:46 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I think Kaleb is saying he doesn't want to pay $120 and get one of these
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/350673054020
> with a starmark on it, so he's thinking of getting Lemforder or something. 
> 
> Mitch.
> 
>> On October 28, 2017 at 12:35 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> URO seal: 
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-W123-Windshield-Seal-Weatherstrip-Rear-1236700239-/350673054020
>> 
>> MB seal: 
>> https://www.mbpartsworld.com/oem-parts/mercedes-benz-channel-1236700239
>> 
>> So which one do you think will last the longest and be the highest quality?  
>> Or do you want it to start leaking in a couple of years after you park the 
>> car in the back 40 of Okie Acres?
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Re: [MBZ] How do you know when you monovalve is bad?

BTDT.  OEM replacement monovalve solved the problem and heat now works
flawlessly at any speed.

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> I find mine in a box in my office. Fixing to head out to replace that,
> then do an oil change on the 240d. Will probably install the new set of
> tires I bought for the other 240d but this one is about ready to be put on
> the road. Probably should do a valve adjustment while I’m at it.  No
> telling when that has been done. It’s been years since I have done this job.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Oct 28, 2017, at 11:19 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I have two in my garage that I thought, at some point in my life, I was
> going to find the George Murphy info and rebuild them. Silly me.
> >
> > Bob R
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Oct 28, 2017, at 8:42 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
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> >
> >>>
> >>> Heat works great at slower speeds but ice cold at highway speeds.
> >>
> >>
> >> Yup, that's how you know all right.
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] The 5 key stuck

It's a huge discount from the $70k sticker price.

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> On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 09:46:11 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
>  wrote:
>
> >
> > Why do people think this car will sell at this price?
> >
> > 1993 Mercedes 400 SEL
> >
> > https://tulsa.craigslist.org/cto/d/1993-mercedes-400-sel/6363950185.html
> >
>
> "Check Classic Car Price Guide for value."
>
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Re: [MBZ] CoPart - anybody can bid on this

Nice car.  Stuck brakes?

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> 250S - Mechanical damage, starts but won't go forward and backwards.
> Drive shaft? Transmission?
> https://www.copart.com/lot/44553177
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[MBZ] Valve adjustment

So I can look it up but am lazy. What is the intake and exhaust specs supposed 
to be? Also I am trying to remember if it’s best to do it on a warm or cold 
engine. I seem to recall I have always done it cold.

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Re: [MBZ] Euro 560SEL anyone?

Only time I was there I got frustrated b/c all they had was margarine - no
butter.

On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 9:40 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes  wrote:

> Ok then, Little Rock is a dirty, skeevy place. No political or Mercedes
> content!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Oct 27, 2017, at 4:27 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I was going to excoriate you for politicizing our chat room, but then you
> > added Mercedes content so you're off the hook.
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 3:50 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> If a man and a woman in Arkansas get a divorce are they still
> brother
> >> and sister?
> >>
> >> Saw an article some months ago where Arkansas had a bill before the
> >> legislature to remove Bill Clinton's name from several street signs and
> >> public venues in Arkansas. Guess the tide of public opinion has changed
> >> there...
> >>
> >> Besides, he doesn't drive a Mercedes...
> >>
> >> On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 12:19 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> You can't punish the Clintons by avoiding AR.  It's a reliablyredstate
> >> now.
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 10:04 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
>  I have been there. I felt really dirty afterwards.
> 
>  Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Oct 26, 2017, at 8:50 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
>  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > You were at the Clinton liebury and massage parlor?
> >
> > (BTW it does look like a doublewide on stilts down by the river)
> >
> > --R
> > Sent from iPhone
> >
> >> On Oct 26, 2017, at 8:52 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes <
>  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I was in Little Rock about 13 yrs ago for a job interview. I pulled
>  into some cheap motel and asked for a room. The proprietor asked me if
> >>> I’d
>  like to see it and gave me the key. I walked in and a swarm of
> >>> cockroaches
>  dashed across the floor. I went back to the office and he asked me
> >> what I
>  thought. I told him thanks but too many roaches. I then proceeded to
> >> the
>  “best” hotel in town- a Hilton. Got a room, used the bathroom and to
> my
>  disgust, realized that the walls smelled of fecal matter.
> >>
> >> That experience, coupled with all the political and other scandals
> >>> that
>  came out of that place made me vow to never go there again.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Oct 26, 2017, at 8:37 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> No, but there is certainly room for 2-3 dead hookers, maybe more.
> >>>
> >>> -D
> >>>
> >>>
>  On Oct 26, 2017, at 7:46 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes <
>  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>  Did it come with a dead body in the trunk?
> 
>  Sent from my iPhone
> 
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>  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Careful. That’s where my now former 350SDL came from.
> >
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> >
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Re: [MBZ] Window rubbers



I see 3 possibilities here, assuming  ÜRO is the new OEM for 123 windshield 
seals:

1. Mercedes quality control forces ÜRO to make seals from the proper rubber, 
not from molten mouse droppings, and ÜRO sells the same quality to the 
aftermarket. 

2.  Mercedes get the good ones from ÜRO, aftermarket still gets overpriced 
mouse droppings. 

3. Mercedes starmarked seals are now made from mouse turds. 

If 1, buy  ÜRO.
If 2, buy OE. 
If 3, hunt down the newest production Febi you can find. 
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] How do you know when you monovalve is bad?

I find mine in a box in my office. Fixing to head out to replace that, then do 
an oil change on the 240d. Will probably install the new set of tires I bought 
for the other 240d but this one is about ready to be put on the road. Probably 
should do a valve adjustment while I’m at it.  No telling when that has been 
done. It’s been years since I have done this job.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 28, 2017, at 11:19 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have two in my garage that I thought, at some point in my life, I was going 
> to find the George Murphy info and rebuild them. Silly me. 
> 
> Bob R
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Oct 28, 2017, at 8:42 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
>>> 
>>> Heat works great at slower speeds but ice cold at highway speeds.
>> 
>> 
>> Yup, that's how you know all right.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Window rubbers

Maybe do a group buy for Febi/Bilstein from abroad?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Rear-Window-Windscreen-Seal-W123-1236700239-08893-/371709405346

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Re: [MBZ] Window rubbers

Importec or fcp lists uro. So then I was going to order a dealer one and 
thought I remember those were uro now too.  Heck I may have one around here 
already. I got a trunk load of parts in the Craig 240d 3.0 and went to 
look/unload what was in there last week and for some reason the key won’t turn 
the trunk lock. It did just fine before but not it won’t. It’s like the key is 
not going all the way into the lock. Seemed like there was a set of motor 
mounts back there, or maybe a heater valve

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> On Oct 28, 2017, at 11:46 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I think Kaleb is saying he doesn't want to pay $120 and get one of these
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/350673054020
> with a starmark on it, so he's thinking of getting Lemforder or something. 
> 
> Mitch.
> 
>> On October 28, 2017 at 12:35 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> URO seal: 
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-W123-Windshield-Seal-Weatherstrip-Rear-1236700239-/350673054020
>> 
>> MB seal: 
>> https://www.mbpartsworld.com/oem-parts/mercedes-benz-channel-1236700239
>> 
>> So which one do you think will last the longest and be the highest quality?  
>> Or do you want it to start leaking in a couple of years after you park the 
>> car in the back 40 of Okie Acres?
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Re: [MBZ] Window rubbers

I think Kaleb is saying he doesn't want to pay $120 and get one of these
https://www.ebay.com/itm/350673054020
with a starmark on it, so he's thinking of getting Lemforder or something. 

Mitch.

> On October 28, 2017 at 12:35 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> URO seal: 
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-W123-Windshield-Seal-Weatherstrip-Rear-1236700239-/350673054020
> 
> MB seal: 
> https://www.mbpartsworld.com/oem-parts/mercedes-benz-channel-1236700239
> 
> So which one do you think will last the longest and be the highest quality?  
> Or do you want it to start leaking in a couple of years after you park the 
> car in the back 40 of Okie Acres?

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Re: [MBZ] Window rubbers

So that does not really answer the question at hand.  If Uro is making 
the seals now, then if you buy Uro or the dealer part, you would still 
be getting the Uro part, right?



On 10/28/2017 11:35 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

URO seal: 
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-W123-Windshield-Seal-Weatherstrip-Rear-1236700239-/350673054020

MB seal: https://www.mbpartsworld.com/oem-parts/mercedes-benz-channel-1236700239

So which one do you think will last the longest and be the highest quality?  Or 
do you want it to start leaking in a couple of years after you park the car in 
the back 40 of Okie Acres?

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On Oct 28, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:

I am going to need to replace the rear window rubber on this 240D, or maybe try 
silicone, but most likely just need to replace.  Anyway I recall Uro was 
actually supplying MB these parts.  Is that right?  If so might as well order 
it aftermarket instead of a dealer part, right?


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Re: [MBZ] Window rubbers

URO seal: 
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-W123-Windshield-Seal-Weatherstrip-Rear-1236700239-/350673054020

MB seal: https://www.mbpartsworld.com/oem-parts/mercedes-benz-channel-1236700239

So which one do you think will last the longest and be the highest quality?  Or 
do you want it to start leaking in a couple of years after you park the car in 
the back 40 of Okie Acres?

-D



> On Oct 28, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I am going to need to replace the rear window rubber on this 240D, or maybe 
> try silicone, but most likely just need to replace.  Anyway I recall Uro was 
> actually supplying MB these parts.  Is that right?  If so might as well order 
> it aftermarket instead of a dealer part, right?
> 
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[MBZ] Window rubbers

I am going to need to replace the rear window rubber on this 240D, or 
maybe try silicone, but most likely just need to replace.  Anyway I 
recall Uro was actually supplying MB these parts.  Is that right?  If so 
might as well order it aftermarket instead of a dealer part, right?



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Re: [MBZ] How do you know when you monovalve is bad?

2017-10-28 Thread Bob Rentfro via Mercedes

I have two in my garage that I thought, at some point in my life, I was going 
to find the George Murphy info and rebuild them. Silly me. 

Bob R

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wrote:

>> 
>> Heat works great at slower speeds but ice cold at highway speeds.
> 
> 
> Yup, that's how you know all right.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] The 5 key stuck

2017-10-28 Thread Craig via Mercedes

On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 09:46:11 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
 wrote:

> 
> Why do people think this car will sell at this price?
> 
> 1993 Mercedes 400 SEL
> 
> https://tulsa.craigslist.org/cto/d/1993-mercedes-400-sel/6363950185.html
> 

"Check Classic Car Price Guide for value."


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Re: [MBZ] 123 fuel mileage - was: Two Questions

> Is your 115 going to get the chance at another winter?

Perhaps.  The current plan is, if/when time allows, to cut out the
passenger-side floor and try stitching in the new sheet metal I bought.  If
that works, and helps, do the other side the next year.  Otherwise...

I have a spare 220D body in the woods, but it's rusty too, and is the newer
body style.  (No wing windows, etc.)  A drivetrain and interior transplant
is not trivial.  It's one of my options.

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Re: [MBZ] MB online dealer parts, the all telling list

Dave has far too much time on his hands.

-D

> On Oct 28, 2017, at 11:37 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> This is from Dave, very comprehensive list and will give you the run down of 
> all the various places to order from.
> 
> 
> I last checked this data a few months ago, but the current list of dealers 
> I'm aware of is below. Although several dealers have lower pricing, 
> Naperville's free shipping generally makes them the best deal overall:
> 
> __
> 
> *NOTE:* Sample $100 part pricing is based on standard pricing (wholesale $80, 
> dealer cost $60). Some parts have non-standard pricing such as tools, 
> remanufactured transmissions/engines, accessory items (B-, Q-, or BQ- 
> prefix). Certain lighting items/brands (i.e,., Hella ) have lower than normal 
> dealer cost which can make the "cost plus" dealers substantially cheaper than 
> "list minus".
> 
> 
> 
> *"Variable" price dealers*
> __
> *MB of Stevens Creek (San Jose, CA)*
> Cost plus 14% on expensive items ($500+ list), +17% at ~$100, +22% at $50, 
> slides down to +30% on cheap items (few dollars)
> https://www.mercedesbenzstarparts.com/oem-parts/mercedes-benz-fog-lamp-assembly-1298200156/
>  
> 
> 
> 
> *MB of Daytona Beach (FL)*
> Cost plus 15% on expensive items ($500+ list), +17% at ~$100, +23% at ~$50, 
> slides down to +30% on cheap items (few dollars)
> https://www.mercedespartshub.com/oem-parts/mercedes-benz-fog-lamp-assembly-1298200156/
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> *"Fixed" price dealers*
> __
> *??? dealer*
> List minus 30% ($100 part = $70)
> http://www.genuinemercedesparts.com/ 
> 
> *Mercedes-Benz of Flemington - Flemington, NJ*
> http://www.oemercedesbenzparts.com/oe-mercedes-benz/1298200156 
> 
> Cost plus 17% ($100 part = $70.20) /<--As of Aug-2017. Had been list minus 
> 20% to Feb-2017, list -28% summer 2017../
> *
> *
> *Parts.com (fulfilled by Lokey Motors in Clearwater, FL)*
> Cost plus 18% ($100 part = $70.80) /<-- As of 2/5/2017. Had been cost plus 
> 15% around 2015?./
> https://www.parts.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=store.keywordsearch 
> 
> 
> *Husker Mercedes - Lincoln, NE*
> Cost plus 21% ($100 part = $72.60) /<-- As of 2/5/2017. Had been cost plus 
> 15, 17% (2015), 19% (2016)./
> http://www.mbdirectparts.com/oe-mercedes-benz/1248110461 
> 
> 
> *Mercedes of Naperville - Naperville, IL*
> List minus 26% ($100 part = $74) - Free shipping (max $50) through 12/31/2017 
> with code: *500EPROMO*
> http://www.mboemparts.com/oe-mercedes-benz/1248203657 
> 
> 
> *Aristocrat Motors - Kansas City, KS*
> Cost plus 24.25 % ($100 part = $74.55)
> https://mercedespartscenter.com/parts/index.cfm?make=Mercedes-Benz==124-820-36-57=oePartSearch=215720
>  
> 
> 
> *Skyland Auto Group Mercedes - Asheville, NC (Free shipping over $50 and 
> under 10 lbs)*
> List minus 25% ($100 part = $75)
> https://www.oediscountparts.com/parts/index.cfm?make=Mercedes-Benz==1248203657=oePartSearch=215242
>  
> 
> 
> *??? dealer*
> Cost plus 30% ($100 part = $78) //
> https://www.benzpartsdirect.com/ 
> 
> *Mercedes of Annapolis  - Annapolis, MD -(Note Aug-2017: Changed to cost + 
> 30% !!)*
> List minus 20% ($100 part = $80)
> https://www.getmercedesparts.com/oem-Mercedes-parts.html 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] How do you know when you monovalve is bad?

>
> Heat works great at slower speeds but ice cold at highway speeds.


Yup, that's how you know all right.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Lost at Sea with too much Crack

>
> Do I see a book deal with a movie contract in their future?


The Life of Pie?  A Perfect Becalming?  Dumber and Dumberer?

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[MBZ] MB online dealer parts, the all telling list

This is from Dave, very comprehensive list and will give you the run 
down of all the various places to order from.



I last checked this data a few months ago, but the current list of 
dealers I'm aware of is below. Although several dealers have lower 
pricing, Naperville's free shipping generally makes them the best deal 
overall:


__

*NOTE:* Sample $100 part pricing is based on standard pricing (wholesale 
$80, dealer cost $60). Some parts have non-standard pricing such as 
tools, remanufactured transmissions/engines, accessory items (B-, Q-, or 
BQ- prefix). Certain lighting items/brands (i.e,., Hella ) have lower 
than normal dealer cost which can make the "cost plus" dealers 
substantially cheaper than "list minus".




*"Variable" price dealers*
__
*MB of Stevens Creek (San Jose, CA)*
Cost plus 14% on expensive items ($500+ list), +17% at ~$100, +22% at 
$50, slides down to +30% on cheap items (few dollars)
https://www.mercedesbenzstarparts.com/oem-parts/mercedes-benz-fog-lamp-assembly-1298200156/ 




*MB of Daytona Beach (FL)*
Cost plus 15% on expensive items ($500+ list), +17% at ~$100, +23% at 
~$50, slides down to +30% on cheap items (few dollars)
https://www.mercedespartshub.com/oem-parts/mercedes-benz-fog-lamp-assembly-1298200156/ 





*"Fixed" price dealers*
__
*??? dealer*
List minus 30% ($100 part = $70)
http://www.genuinemercedesparts.com/ 

*Mercedes-Benz of Flemington - Flemington, NJ*
http://www.oemercedesbenzparts.com/oe-mercedes-benz/1298200156 

Cost plus 17% ($100 part = $70.20) /<--As of Aug-2017. Had been list 
minus 20% to Feb-2017, list -28% summer 2017../

*
*
*Parts.com (fulfilled by Lokey Motors in Clearwater, FL)*
Cost plus 18% ($100 part = $70.80) /<-- As of 2/5/2017. Had been cost 
plus 15% around 2015?./
https://www.parts.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=store.keywordsearch 



*Husker Mercedes - Lincoln, NE*
Cost plus 21% ($100 part = $72.60) /<-- As of 2/5/2017. Had been cost 
plus 15, 17% (2015), 19% (2016)./
http://www.mbdirectparts.com/oe-mercedes-benz/1248110461 



*Mercedes of Naperville - Naperville, IL*
List minus 26% ($100 part = $74) - Free shipping (max $50) through 
12/31/2017 with code: *500EPROMO*
http://www.mboemparts.com/oe-mercedes-benz/1248203657 



*Aristocrat Motors - Kansas City, KS*
Cost plus 24.25 % ($100 part = $74.55)
https://mercedespartscenter.com/parts/index.cfm?make=Mercedes-Benz==124-820-36-57=oePartSearch=215720 



*Skyland Auto Group Mercedes - Asheville, NC (Free shipping over $50 and 
under 10 lbs)*

List minus 25% ($100 part = $75)
https://www.oediscountparts.com/parts/index.cfm?make=Mercedes-Benz==1248203657=oePartSearch=215242 



*??? dealer*
Cost plus 30% ($100 part = $78) //
https://www.benzpartsdirect.com/ 

*Mercedes of Annapolis  - Annapolis, MD -(Note Aug-2017: Changed to cost 
+ 30% !!)*

List minus 20% ($100 part = $80)
https://www.getmercedesparts.com/oem-Mercedes-parts.html 




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Re: [MBZ] Sat OT

That’s what’s weird.  While things may have changed, it was very, very unusual 
to see urban or any other non-Caucasian folks north of Milwaukee, especially in 
the interior.

-D

> On Oct 28, 2017, at 11:27 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well if he was going there to buy beer I am guessing he had some $$ in his 
> pocket, so paying shouldn't be an issue.
> 
> But yeah, malt likka, kinda implies some aspects of the event that might not 
> be allowed to be mentioned.  Maybe some other things they weren't sharing 
> too...
> 
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Re: [MBZ] One or Two for Mr. Snook, Esq

We will have to talk.

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> On Oct 28, 2017, at 10:22 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> That's the one I bought from the estate sale, $1300.  Haven't done anything 
> with it yet, sitting in the barn, I start it occasionally and it lights right 
> off.  I drove it before I got it and the brakes were grinding and grabby but 
> worked, car ran very well except the throttle return spring is missing or 
> broken or something (which is interesting, I pulled one off the 79 300TD and 
> the 78 300CD has a different throttle linkage arrangement so it doesn;t seem 
> to be the same).  I haven't even looked at it much yet due to some other 
> issues.
> 
> The story is this woman owned it since like 1981 or so, it was her baby,  She 
> died a coupla years ago, and the long-time BF would start it occasionally and 
> move it around the driveway and wash it, but she never let him drive it when 
> she was alive, so he never drove it after she couldn't drive it or after she 
> died.  She kept it up in good shape, it was sitting under a carport so out of 
> the weather mostly.  She had it repainted at some point after a storm knocked 
> down some branches or something and dinged it up a bit. It is white with 
> black leather interior, very minor damage to drivers seat, rest of interior 
> looks really nice.  Some rust starting to show up under the side trim, you 
> can see where it is starting to discolor a bit, so there's that.  Trunk 
> seemed to be leaking, I think probably the rear window seal so maybe some 
> caulk would fix that.
> 
> AC ran down, probably just needs a charge unless the seals are bad.  Belt is 
> off but compressor seemed to spin so I don't know. Would probably need a set 
> of tires if you were going to drive it far or fast but they had good tread, 
> just likely old.
> 
> It's a pretty nice car actually, very clean and looks good from 20ft and 
> everything is there and straight.  Runs, drives.  I was thinking to BAT it 
> unless someone wants it.
> 
> Bring your trailer and haul it and the E$500 dizzel home, we could work 
> something out.
> 
> --FT
> 
> 
>> On 10/28/17 10:42 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> Really? So what is the deal?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 28, 2017, at 9:30 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>>  There's a nice 78 300CD sitting here I could let go for cheapcheap, in 
>>> pretty decent shape.  Starts right up, runs well. Needs some brake sorting 
>>> from sitting, probably at least rotors and pads, maybe calipers, but that 
>>> is no big deal.  Fly to CHS and drive it home.
>>> 
>>> --R
>>> 
>>> 
 On 10/27/17 2:34 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes wrote:
 WOW That 300SDL is nice.  But 405K miles? Wow.  I don't think that would 
 get better than 25 mpg. Right? It is nice.
 
 I am lusting in my heart for the Green 240D.  My trip is 65 miles and I'm 
 guessing it might take 15 to get up to 80MPH.   Or will one these actually 
 go that fast?  It would get great mileage!
 
 The brown/maroon 83 300D looks great.  But, I'm not sure its going to get 
 28-20 mpg at 80 mph.
 
 Don Snook
 
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Re: [MBZ] Sat OT

Well if he was going there to buy beer I am guessing he had some $$ in
his pocket, so paying shouldn't be an issue.

But yeah, malt likka, kinda implies some aspects of the event that might
not be allowed to be mentioned. Maybe some other things they weren't
sharing too...

--FT

On 10/28/17 11:15 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

I was wondering the same thing.

I’m surprised they made such a big deal out of this, other than the guy not
paying for what he drank. Granted, since most of it was “malt liquor
beverages” I suspect this was in a less than desirable area, meaning they don’t
want to encourage this sort of behavior. Marshfield is pretty rural, so people
are a bit more laid back.

If it had been in urban Milwaukee the guy would probably have been dead from
lead poisoning.

-D

On Oct 28, 2017, at 10:59 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
wrote:

What else is the guy supposed to do? Wonder if he had to, uh, release the beer.

http://www.jsonline.com/story/news/2017/10/26/man-locked-beer-cooler-stays-and-has-drinks/803184001/

--FT

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Re: [MBZ] One or Two for Mr. Snook, Esq

That's the one I bought from the estate sale, $1300. Haven't done
anything with it yet, sitting in the barn, I start it occasionally and
it lights right off. I drove it before I got it and the brakes were
grinding and grabby but worked, car ran very well except the throttle
return spring is missing or broken or something (which is interesting, I
pulled one off the 79 300TD and the 78 300CD has a different throttle
linkage arrangement so it doesn;t seem to be the same). I haven't even
looked at it much yet due to some other issues.

The story is this woman owned it since like 1981 or so, it was her
baby, She died a coupla years ago, and the long-time BF would start it
occasionally and move it around the driveway and wash it, but she never
let him drive it when she was alive, so he never drove it after she
couldn't drive it or after she died. She kept it up in good shape, it
was sitting under a carport so out of the weather mostly. She had it
repainted at some point after a storm knocked down some branches or
something and dinged it up a bit. It is white with black leather
interior, very minor damage to drivers seat, rest of interior looks
really nice. Some rust starting to show up under the side trim, you can
see where it is starting to discolor a bit, so there's that. Trunk
seemed to be leaking, I think probably the rear window seal so maybe
some caulk would fix that.

AC ran down, probably just needs a charge unless the seals are bad.
Belt is off but compressor seemed to spin so I don't know. Would
probably need a set of tires if you were going to drive it far or fast
but they had good tread, just likely old.

It's a pretty nice car actually, very clean and looks good from 20ft and
everything is there and straight. Runs, drives. I was thinking to BAT
it unless someone wants it.

Bring your trailer and haul it and the E$500 dizzel home, we could work
something out.

--FT

On 10/28/17 10:42 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

Really? So what is the deal?

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 28, 2017, at 9:30 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
wrote:

There's a nice 78 300CD sitting here I could let go for cheapcheap, in pretty decent shape. Starts right up, runs well. Needs some brake sorting from sitting, probably at least rotors and pads, maybe calipers, but that is no big deal. Fly to CHS and drive it home.

--R

On 10/27/17 2:34 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes wrote:
WOW That 300SDL is nice. But 405K miles? Wow. I don't think that would get
better than 25 mpg. Right? It is nice.

I am lusting in my heart for the Green 240D. My trip is 65 miles and I'm
guessing it might take 15 to get up to 80MPH. Or will one these actually go
that fast? It would get great mileage!

The brown/maroon 83 300D looks great. But, I'm not sure its going to get 28-20
mpg at 80 mph.

Don Snook

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Re: [MBZ] Sat OT

I was wondering the same thing.

I’m surprised they made such a big deal out of this, other than the guy not 
paying for what he drank.  Granted, since most of it was “malt liquor 
beverages” I suspect this was in a less than desirable area, meaning they don’t 
want to encourage this sort of behavior.  Marshfield is pretty rural, so people 
are a bit more laid back.

If it had been in urban Milwaukee the guy would probably have been dead from 
lead poisoning.

-D

> On Oct 28, 2017, at 10:59 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> What else is the guy supposed to do?  Wonder if he had to, uh, release the 
> beer.
> 
> http://www.jsonline.com/story/news/2017/10/26/man-locked-beer-cooler-stays-and-has-drinks/803184001/
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Pahtz sources

These are the various places I order.  All are good it just depends on 
which place has it cheapest. They change their pricing model sometimes 
so it can change which place is the cheapest.



https://www.oediscountparts.com/partlocator/index.cfm?siteid=215242

https://www.mboemparts.com/

https://www.mbdirectparts.com/

then of course parts.com


On 10/28/2017 9:45 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:

Interesting

--FT


On 10/27/17 5:13 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
I just found a dealer somewhere up north (MN?) who must have a source 
for non-North American parts, like hazard triangles.  I've been 
looking for OE mud flaps for both of the W210s since I got the first 
one, but the MB versions are long gone, at least for the first gen 
models like my wagon.


With a Google crawler search running, it found a reference to one of 
the part numbers on these guy's web site. I ordered a set (rear only) 
fully expecting to be told they were NLA. Imagine my surprise when I 
got an email from a live person the next day confirming my order and 
telling me it would be 2-3 weeks since the mud flaps were in the 
Fatherland. I immediately gave them the part number for the hazard 
triangle and they said it was a good number and they could get it in 
a similar amount of time.


Anything that is non-DOT can't be brought in to a domestic dealer - 
even though they show the part number to be good it's flagged as a 
non-US part. That means these guys must have a domestic German source 
that is shipping the stuff to them rather than getting it through 
Mercedes.


-D

On Oct 27, 2017, at 4:15 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:


I ordered mugs from Northlake once, it was "Ships Immediately" they 
didn't ship for a month, turns out they ordered them from MB to then 
ship to me...

-Curt


    On Friday, October 27, 2017, 2:58:20 PM EDT, David Bruckmann via 
Mercedes  wrote:


I've used Northlake a few times. Generally good responsiveness, but 
they were NOT well set up for e-commerce etc. So you'd place an 
order in their system but it didn't necessarily match what was 
actually headed your way etc etc.


I dealt mostly with Anthony Navarro, who was excellent. I have not 
used them since their parts website (was 
http://mbnorthlakeparts.com/) disappeared. They are part of the 
Hendrick Auto group, which has dealerships all over the country.


Anthony Navarro
Parts Consultant

anthony.j.nava...@hendrickauto.com

10725 Northlake Auto Plaza
Charlotte, NC 28269
Phone: (704) 379-4800
Direct: (704) 379-4891
http://www.mbnorthlake.com
http://www.ebay.com/usr/mercedesbenznorthlake


When Northlake went offline, I placed an order with a dealer in 
Georgia, http://www.genuinemercedesparts.com which is really:


RBM of Alpharetta
345 McFarland Pkwy Alpharetta, Georgia, 30004

Impossible to phone them, minimal contact, not much insight into 
status.



D.



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What is their other parts website?  It seemed like the MBNorthlake
website had higher prices than the discount MB parts website they ran.


Curley McLain 
October 27, 2017 at 1:24 AM
Ja, Northlake is what i was trying to remember.  Danke!


Max Dillon via Mercedes 
October 24, 2017 at 9:36 PM
MB Northlake in Charlotte NC used to be good, haven't used them in
awhile though. There's another in Atlanta that is competitive.
Curley McLain 
October 24, 2017 at 9:21 PM
Need to order (Vac pump, IP, chain tensioner, thermostat) gaskets 
etc,

along with all the crush washers for the IP lines.  Where is the best
source?    What was that MB stealer (in SC?) who was reasonable for
online orders?

Maybe I should see if BAT-Dan would order them for me and send 
here




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Re: [MBZ] OT: Lost at Sea with too much Crack

There is a movie starring Robert Redford, he is on a boat in the middle 
of the ocean and the movie starts with him waking up in the morning 
after his boat hit a lost cargo container and tears a hole in the side.  
It was a really good movie.



On 10/28/2017 10:01 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
Apparently lots of big floatie stuff out there though, you 
occasionally hear of a boat running into a lost container that is low 
in the water. Out in the open ocean that would be a very small risk, 
but it still happens.  Not sure even having a watch at night could 
prevent that.


Or you could get stove in by a whale.

--FT


On 10/27/17 7:30 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote:
No rocks out there, average depth is a couple miles.   A few atolls, 
location well known.


Autosailing devices keep the boat on a selected heading, the wind is 
very constant in direction if not intensity on average, at least when 
a significant distance from the equator (which is why they are called 
"trade winds" -- blow the same direction months at a time.


The simple ones are just a small sail rigged up to the rudder to keep 
the sail fluttering -- as the boat drifts off the selected course 
relative to the wind, the small sail pulls the tiller or wheel over 
and moves the rudder.


They are not perfect, but that trip from Hawaii to Tahiti is a very, 
very common deep sea sailing trip, also to a couple atolls in the 
same areas.


And morons take off on the trip all the time without the ability to 
actually navigate or find out where they are after a storm.


Peter
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Re: [MBZ] How much crack?

I think those are fairly robust but could be spendy to set right if 
something in the engine fails.  But CURRENT BID:*$25,000*

is crack territory

--FT

On 10/27/17 10:08 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

NanananaBATcrack!
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2005-mercedes-benz-sl600-4/

Isn't this one of the cars that gets 500 Miles Per Fourdigitservicebill?

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Lost at Sea with too much Crack

Apparently lots of big floatie stuff out there though, you occasionally 
hear of a boat running into a lost container that is low in the water.  
Out in the open ocean that would be a very small risk, but it still 
happens.  Not sure even having a watch at night could prevent that.


Or you could get stove in by a whale.

--FT


On 10/27/17 7:30 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote:

No rocks out there, average depth is a couple miles.   A few atolls, location 
well known.

Autosailing devices keep the boat on a selected heading, the wind is very constant in 
direction if not intensity on average, at least when a significant distance from the 
equator (which is why they are called "trade winds" -- blow the same direction 
months at a time.

The simple ones are just a small sail rigged up to the rudder to keep the sail 
fluttering -- as the boat drifts off the selected course relative to the wind, 
the small sail pulls the tiller or wheel over and moves the rudder.

They are not perfect, but that trip from Hawaii to Tahiti is a very, very 
common deep sea sailing trip, also to a couple atolls in the same areas.

And morons take off on the trip all the time without the ability to actually 
navigate or find out where they are after a storm.

Peter
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[MBZ] Sat OT

What else is the guy supposed to do?  Wonder if he had to, uh, release 
the beer.


http://www.jsonline.com/story/news/2017/10/26/man-locked-beer-cooler-stays-and-has-drinks/803184001/

--FT


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Re: [MBZ] The 5 key stuck


Laundering dope money

Need Radiator Replacement
Sale as is $5.5k

--FT


On 10/28/17 10:46 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

Why do people think this car will sell at this price?

1993 Mercedes 400 SEL

https://tulsa.craigslist.org/cto/d/1993-mercedes-400-sel/6363950185.html


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[MBZ] The 5 key stuck


Why do people think this car will sell at this price?

1993 Mercedes 400 SEL

https://tulsa.craigslist.org/cto/d/1993-mercedes-400-sel/6363950185.html


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Re: [MBZ] Pahtz sources


Interesting

--FT


On 10/27/17 5:13 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:

I just found a dealer somewhere up north (MN?) who must have a source for 
non-North American parts, like hazard triangles.  I've been looking for OE mud 
flaps for both of the W210s since I got the first one, but the MB versions are 
long gone, at least for the first gen models like my wagon.

With a Google crawler search running, it found a reference to one of the part 
numbers on these guy's web site. I ordered a set (rear only) fully expecting to 
be told they were NLA. Imagine my surprise when I got an email from a live 
person the next day confirming my order and telling me it would be 2-3 weeks 
since the mud flaps were in the Fatherland. I immediately gave them the part 
number for the hazard triangle and they said it was a good number and they 
could get it in a similar amount of time.

Anything that is non-DOT can't be brought in to a domestic dealer - even though 
they show the part number to be good it's flagged as a non-US part. That means 
these guys must have a domestic German source that is shipping the stuff to 
them rather than getting it through Mercedes.

-D


On Oct 27, 2017, at 4:15 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
wrote:

I ordered mugs from Northlake once, it was "Ships Immediately" they didn't ship 
for a month, turns out they ordered them from MB to then ship to me...
-Curt


On Friday, October 27, 2017, 2:58:20 PM EDT, David Bruckmann via Mercedes 
 wrote:

I've used Northlake a few times. Generally good responsiveness, but they were 
NOT well set up for e-commerce etc. So you'd place an order in their system but 
it didn't necessarily match what was actually headed your way etc etc.

I dealt mostly with Anthony Navarro, who was excellent. I have not used them 
since their parts website (was http://mbnorthlakeparts.com/) disappeared. They 
are part of the Hendrick Auto group, which has dealerships all over the country.

Anthony Navarro
Parts Consultant

anthony.j.nava...@hendrickauto.com

10725 Northlake Auto Plaza
Charlotte, NC 28269
Phone: (704) 379-4800
Direct: (704) 379-4891
http://www.mbnorthlake.com
http://www.ebay.com/usr/mercedesbenznorthlake


When Northlake went offline, I placed an order with a dealer in Georgia, 
http://www.genuinemercedesparts.comwhich is 
really:

RBM of Alpharetta
345 McFarland PkwyAlpharetta, 
Georgia, 30004

Impossible to phone them, minimal contact, not much insight into status.


D.



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Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2017 13:13:34 -0500
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What is their other parts website?  It seemed like the MBNorthlake
website had higher prices than the discount MB parts website they ran.


Curley McLain 
October 27, 2017 at 1:24 AM
Ja, Northlake is what i was trying to remember.  Danke!


Max Dillon via Mercedes 
October 24, 2017 at 9:36 PM
MB Northlake in Charlotte NC used to be good, haven't used them in
awhile though. There's another in Atlanta that is competitive.
Curley McLain 
October 24, 2017 at 9:21 PM
Need to order (Vac pump, IP, chain tensioner, thermostat) gaskets etc,
along with all the crush washers for the IP lines.  Where is the best
source?What was that MB stealer (in SC?) who was reasonable for
online orders?

Maybe I should see if BAT-Dan would order them for me and send here



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Re: [MBZ] Weird shimmy

These are tires are fairly new, the kid I bought the car from had put 
some new tires on it (they are cheap low-end tires on pimp rims) so 
unless one actually failed they should be good.  The dealer he got them 
from is a good shop chain around here so I'm sure they would do good on 
it if it is bad.  The car has been sitting for awhile before I fixed the 
aneurysm, I was thinking it had gotten a flat spot or something but this 
did not happen until maybe 3-40mph and it just came on fast, then 
slacked as I slowed down, so the caliper hose or belt issue seems more 
likely.


I pulled the caliper and pushed back the pistons, did not get a chance 
to take it out and see what is going on but will do that shortly.  If 
the problem persists I'll order new hoses, or maybe swap on off the 
knackered 420SEL and see if it works for now until I can get  a new 
one.  I can also do a front to back tire swap, see if that makes a 
difference.


Thanks for the diagnoses, I would not have thought of those aspects.

==FT


On 10/27/17 5:09 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

Description has all the hallmarks of a tire having tread separation. At
speed, gyroscopic force opens tread separation enough to cause both tire
unbalance [portion of tread is further from center of rotation mass] and
out-of-round, both which cause wheel hop and loss of firm steering control.

I would want to check DOT build date and look at rubber condition of
sidewall closely for any clues of tire rubber breakdown. Also jack up the
offending corner and rotate tire by hand with something placed in reference
to the tread face so you could visually observe any "out of round" however
slight.

On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 1:59 PM, fmiser via Mercedes 
wrote:


Buggered wrote:
At about 40 it started to shimmy really badly the other evening
just a half mile or so up the road. Felt like RF wheel. I came
home and got in a the SD and carried on. Anyway the steering
seems tight enough, tires ok,

Are you _sure_ the tires are okay?  That sure sounds to me like
tire trouble.


but RF brake is a bit tight though I can still spin the wheel,
just not as easily as LF.

I’m wondering if I should just replace it (I pulled one off the
knackered SEL,

Most likely it's the hose, not the piston.  Based on my experience,
anyway.  Especially since it seem to be applying, but not
releasing.  That is the classic symptom of a swollen hose.


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Re: [MBZ] One or Two for Mr. Snook, Esq

Really? So what is the deal?

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> On Oct 28, 2017, at 9:30 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
>  
> There's a nice 78 300CD sitting here I could let go for cheapcheap, in pretty 
> decent shape.  Starts right up, runs well. Needs some brake sorting from 
> sitting, probably at least rotors and pads, maybe calipers, but that is no 
> big deal.  Fly to CHS and drive it home.
> 
> --R
> 
> 
>> On 10/27/17 2:34 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes wrote:
>> WOW That 300SDL is nice.  But 405K miles? Wow.  I don't think that would get 
>> better than 25 mpg. Right? It is nice.
>> 
>> I am lusting in my heart for the Green 240D.  My trip is 65 miles and I'm 
>> guessing it might take 15 to get up to 80MPH.   Or will one these actually 
>> go that fast?  It would get great mileage!
>> 
>> The brown/maroon 83 300D looks great.  But, I'm not sure its going to get 
>> 28-20 mpg at 80 mph.
>> 
>> Don Snook
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] How do you know when you monovalve is bad?

I still can’t believe you sold that car. 

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> On Oct 28, 2017, at 8:44 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> They’re still cheap and available from the stealership for under $50, I 
> believe.
> 
> I’ve got one on the shelf myself, as I didn’t care to give it away with the 
> 350SDL for some reason.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Oct 28, 2017, at 9:32 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I happen to have a brand new in the box Bosch unit laying around here 
>> somewhere that I bought years ago when they were still cheap and available.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] One or Two for Mr. Snook, Esq

There's a nice 78 300CD sitting here I could let go for cheapcheap, in 
pretty decent shape.  Starts right up, runs well. Needs some brake 
sorting from sitting, probably at least rotors and pads, maybe calipers, 
but that is no big deal.  Fly to CHS and drive it home.


--R


On 10/27/17 2:34 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes wrote:

WOW That 300SDL is nice.  But 405K miles? Wow.  I don't think that would get 
better than 25 mpg. Right? It is nice.

I am lusting in my heart for the Green 240D.  My trip is 65 miles and I'm 
guessing it might take 15 to get up to 80MPH.   Or will one these actually go 
that fast?  It would get great mileage!

The brown/maroon 83 300D looks great.  But, I'm not sure its going to get 28-20 
mpg at 80 mph.

Don Snook




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Re: [MBZ] Pahtz sources

This is the place:

http://mercedespartspeople.com

Understand that I just ordered an accessory.  I know nothing about them as far 
as their ability to sell parts or their prices.  I will say that they didn’t 
give me any sort of a deal on the mud flaps or hazard triangle, but I didn’t 
expect one because they’re accessories.  I don’t get the same discount on 
accessories from my dealer as I do on just parts.  I think I only get 15% on 
accessories versus 25% on parts.

My only motivation for ordering from them was that they can allegedly source 
the accessories I need.  I’ll believe them when the stuff shows up on my 
doorstep, since every other domestic MB parts source I know of can’t find or 
get the items.  The numbers I have are good in the MB system, so if they’re 
relying on that only they’ll get a rejection as soon as they place the order.

-D

> On Oct 28, 2017, at 8:26 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Do they have online catalog and ordering, or do you need to actually deal 
> with a human?
> -- 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] How do you know when you monovalve is bad?

They’re still cheap and available from the stealership for under $50, I believe.

I’ve got one on the shelf myself, as I didn’t care to give it away with the 
350SDL for some reason.

-D


> On Oct 28, 2017, at 9:32 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I happen to have a brand new in the box Bosch unit laying around here 
> somewhere that I bought years ago when they were still cheap and available.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Lost at Sea with too much Crack

So I am guessing they just left it out there and it’s floating around? Or did 
they tow it back in?

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> On Oct 28, 2017, at 7:22 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On October 28, 2017 at 12:18 AM fmiser via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> Russ wrote:
>> 
>>> I guess you do that when you don't know how to navigate.
>> 
>> "Associated Press said the women want to repair the boat and sail
>> it back to Hawaii."
> 
> Well, it's either that or sell it for cheap and fly home with the dogs riding 
> in the baggage compartment. Or they could hire a proper deep water captain to 
> sail it home. 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] How do you know when you monovalve is bad?

I happen to have a brand new in the box Bosch unit laying around here somewhere 
that I bought years ago when they were still cheap and available.

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> On Oct 28, 2017, at 12:02 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
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> 
> Easiest troubleshooting ever. 
> 
> Bob R
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>> On Oct 27, 2017, at 9:37 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Why of course on the first day of the year the high is only in the 40’s. 
>> Heat works great at slower speeds but ice cold and highway speeds. 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] One or Two for Mr. Snook, Esq

Yes I would be looking for one or those 

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> On Oct 27, 2017, at 11:49 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
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> ‎Just buy a 2014-2017 Mercedes E250 and be done.  
> 
> http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a7170/the-most-fuel-efficient-car-in-america-is-a-luxury-car/
> 
> ‎https://omaha.craigslist.org/cto/d/2014-mercedes-benz-e250-awd/6363717001.html
> 
> ‎https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/ctd/d/2014-mercedes-class-ebluetec/6360963627.html
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Lost at Sea with too much Crack

2017-10-28 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes

The vast majority of them could navigate, actually.  The Polynesian system is 
still being taught, in fact.

Lots of them still vanished, though
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Re: [MBZ] Pahtz sources

2017-10-28 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes

Do they have online catalog and ordering, or do you need to actually deal with 
a human?
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'95 E300

On October 27, 2017 6:59:35 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>Mercedes-Benz of Tri-Cities in Kennewick, WA is the dealer.  Clay, do
>you know who these guys are?
>
>-D
>
>
>> On Oct 27, 2017, at 5:13 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes
> wrote:
>> 
>> I just found a dealer somewhere up north (MN?) who must have a source
>for non-North American parts, like hazard triangles.  I've been looking
>for OE mud flaps for both of the W210s since I got the first one, but
>the MB versions are long gone, at least for the first gen models like
>my wagon.
>> 
>> With a Google crawler search running, it found a reference to one of
>the part numbers on these guy's web site. I ordered a set (rear only)
>fully expecting to be told they were NLA. Imagine my surprise when I
>got an email from a live person the next day confirming my order and
>telling me it would be 2-3 weeks since the mud flaps were in the
>Fatherland. I immediately gave them the part number for the hazard
>triangle and they said it was a good number and they could get it in a
>similar amount of time.
>> 
>> Anything that is non-DOT can't be brought in to a domestic dealer -
>even though they show the part number to be good it's flagged as a
>non-US part. That means these guys must have a domestic German source
>that is shipping the stuff to them rather than getting it through
>Mercedes.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Lost at Sea with too much Crack


> On October 28, 2017 at 12:18 AM fmiser via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> > Russ wrote:
> 
> > I guess you do that when you don't know how to navigate.
> 
> "Associated Press said the women want to repair the boat and sail
> it back to Hawaii."

Well, it's either that or sell it for cheap and fly home with the dogs riding 
in the baggage compartment. Or they could hire a proper deep water captain to 
sail it home. 

Mitch.

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[MBZ] CoPart - anybody can bid on this