Re: [MBZ] Inner door liner

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

I've used an ordinary glue stick.  Easy and no mess.  Not water proof but it 
will hold the plastic in place until you install, the inside door panel.

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> Going to have to get me some.  I got to work on 3 doors on this thing.
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> > I keep a bottle of rubber cement around for this.  Makes it easy to stick on
> and isn’t messy.  Peels off easily, too.
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> > -D
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> >> On Mar 31, 2018, at 1:10 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
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> >>
> >> What do you guys use to stick the plastic inner door liner back to the 
> >> inside
> of the door after removing it to do work?
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Re: [MBZ] 103 won’t start

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

It smelled gassy, but then again, I am used to working on diesels


On 3/31/2018 8:33 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:

On Sat, 31 Mar 2018 19:45:58 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
 wrote:


Maybe?  Maybe it was dumping gas in and flooding it out?

What does the tailpipe smell like?


Craig



On 3/31/2018 7:45 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:

Cold start valve?

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Re: [MBZ] 103 won’t start

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sat, 31 Mar 2018 19:45:58 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
 wrote:

> Maybe?  Maybe it was dumping gas in and flooding it out?

What does the tailpipe smell like?


Craig


> On 3/31/2018 7:45 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
> > Cold start valve?

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Re: [MBZ] 103 won’t start

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

This one probably needs some or all of that I am sure.


On 3/31/2018 8:14 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote:

Couple options here, depending on condition:

Sticking air flow sensor, check to make sure the flap moves freely and there 
isn't anything in it.

Flaky fuel pump (I had to replace both of them on the wagon as they are in 
series).

Leaking plunger seal on the fuel distributor letting the fuel pressure leak 
down -- this can also flood the engine at idle.  Probably need to replace mine.

Bad boot between the fuel meter and the throttle body, they get old, shrink and 
leak air.

Bad idle control valve hoses.

Flooded charcoal  canister or missing or broken vacuum line

Vacuum leaks, various spots.

Failed fuel accumulator letting the fuel pressure bleed down (you need to put a 
pressure gauge on and see if it stays up)

Leaking fuel lines under the car

Dirty fuel filter

Ignition issues, check rotor, cap, and camshaft oil seal.  Oil in the dizzy 
makes for burned contacts.

Probably more, but those are the ones I've had to deal with.
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Re: [MBZ] Permatex #2 cleaning

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Most Permatex gasket sealers respond well to 90% isopropyl alcohol.

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Re: [MBZ] 103 won’t start

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Couple options here, depending on condition:

Sticking air flow sensor, check to make sure the flap moves freely and there 
isn't anything in it.

Flaky fuel pump (I had to replace both of them on the wagon as they are in 
series).

Leaking plunger seal on the fuel distributor letting the fuel pressure leak 
down -- this can also flood the engine at idle.  Probably need to replace mine.

Bad boot between the fuel meter and the throttle body, they get old, shrink and 
leak air.

Bad idle control valve hoses.

Flooded charcoal  canister or missing or broken vacuum line

Vacuum leaks, various spots.

Failed fuel accumulator letting the fuel pressure bleed down (you need to put a 
pressure gauge on and see if it stays up)

Leaking fuel lines under the car

Dirty fuel filter

Ignition issues, check rotor, cap, and camshaft oil seal.  Oil in the dizzy 
makes for burned contacts.

Probably more, but those are the ones I've had to deal with.
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Re: [MBZ] Permatex #2 cleaning

[OK Don via Mercedes]

IIRC, (which I might not), either spray brake cleaner or B12 Chemtool did
the trick.

On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 6:41 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Soak some rags or shop towels with alcohol.  Place them over the affected
> areas. Cover wth plastic wrap.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Mar 31, 2018, at 7:21 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Here is the official spermatex  blurb:
> >
> > The product can be removed from metal surfaces with isopropyl alcohol.
> If the sealant has been dried for a long time or at high temperatures,
> cover the sealant with alcohol and allow to soften overnight.
> >
> > The problem is both acetone and alcohol evaporate quickly.  How do you
> soak it overnight unless you have a couple hundred gallons in a tub you can
> dunk the whole engine in?  Or spend a day dripping more alcohol onto a rag
> covering the $ hit?
> >
> >> Max Dillon via Mercedes 
> >> March 31, 2018 at 5:30 PM
> >> Then I'd say an overnight soak in acetone should be in order.
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Re: [MBZ] 103 won’t start

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Maybe?  Maybe it was dumping gas in and flooding it out?


On 3/31/2018 7:45 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:

Cold start valve?

On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 5:06 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Well after letting is sit for a while then cranking on it some more it
finally started again. Once it gets going in runs great and has snappy
throttle response. Not sure what the deal is

Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 31, 2018, at 4:10 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <

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they also have to spark at the right time.  I think it was the 013 coil

that seemed to spark, but the car would not run.  With a new coil, it ran
fine.   Mine had a weird flat box kind of coil, not a traditional
cylinder.  Those flat ones fail in weird ways.

Just take an old plug out and put it on a wire.   Or pull the wire from

the coil and lay it 1/2" or so from a ground.  3/8"  then 1/4"

Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
March 31, 2018 at 4:06 PM
I guess I will pull the plugs and see if they are sparking


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Re: [MBZ] 103 won’t start

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Cold start valve?

On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 5:06 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Well after letting is sit for a while then cranking on it some more it
> finally started again. Once it gets going in runs great and has snappy
> throttle response. Not sure what the deal is
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Mar 31, 2018, at 4:10 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > they also have to spark at the right time.  I think it was the 013 coil
> that seemed to spark, but the car would not run.  With a new coil, it ran
> fine.   Mine had a weird flat box kind of coil, not a traditional
> cylinder.  Those flat ones fail in weird ways.
> >
> > Just take an old plug out and put it on a wire.   Or pull the wire from
> the coil and lay it 1/2" or so from a ground.  3/8"  then 1/4"
> >> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
> >> March 31, 2018 at 4:06 PM
> >> I guess I will pull the plugs and see if they are sparking
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Somebody needs this

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

You lust for this car.  You need it.  You want it.  You must have it.


On 3/31/2018 6:53 PM, Dwight Giles wrote:

Ok. I used to lust for one of these but no longer

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Mar 31, 2018 7:51 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin" > wrote:


No, I bought it a few weeks ago but it’s not really my thing so
I’m wanting to move it.

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On Mar 31, 2018, at 6:41 PM, Dwight Giles > wrote:


Wasn't this on a week or so ago?

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford R

On Mar 31, 2018 7:09 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
> wrote:

1988 Mercedes Benz 300CE 2 door coupe


https://tulsa.craigslist.org/cto/d/1988-mercedes-benz-300ce-2/6548514708.html




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Re: [MBZ] Somebody needs this

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Wasn't this on a week or so ago?

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Mar 31, 2018 7:09 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
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> 1988 Mercedes Benz 300CE 2 door coupe
>
> https://tulsa.craigslist.org/cto/d/1988-mercedes-benz-
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Re: [MBZ] Permatex #2 cleaning

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Soak some rags or shop towels with alcohol.  Place them over the affected 
areas. Cover wth plastic wrap.

-D


> On Mar 31, 2018, at 7:21 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Here is the official spermatex  blurb:
> 
> The product can be removed from metal surfaces with isopropyl alcohol. If the 
> sealant has been dried for a long time or at high temperatures, cover the 
> sealant with alcohol and allow to soften overnight.
> 
> The problem is both acetone and alcohol evaporate quickly.  How do you soak 
> it overnight unless you have a couple hundred gallons in a tub you can dunk 
> the whole engine in?  Or spend a day dripping more alcohol onto a rag 
> covering the $ hit?
> 
>> Max Dillon via Mercedes 
>> March 31, 2018 at 5:30 PM
>> Then I'd say an overnight soak in acetone should be in order.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Somebody needs this

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Hey!  I know a guy from No water OK who collects MBs.  Maybe I should 
send it to him?



Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
March 31, 2018 at 6:08 PM
1988 Mercedes Benz 300CE 2 door coupe

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Re: [MBZ] Permatex #2 cleaning

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Here is the official spermatex  blurb:

The product can be removed from metal surfaces with isopropyl alcohol. 
If the sealant has been dried for a long time or at high temperatures, 
cover the sealant with alcohol and allow to soften overnight.


The problem is both acetone and alcohol evaporate quickly.  How do you 
soak it overnight unless you have a couple hundred gallons in a tub you 
can dunk the whole engine in?  Or spend a day dripping more alcohol onto 
a rag covering the $ hit?



Max Dillon via Mercedes 
March 31, 2018 at 5:30 PM
Then I'd say an overnight soak in acetone should be in order.



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[MBZ] Somebody needs this

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

1988 Mercedes Benz 300CE 2 door coupe

https://tulsa.craigslist.org/cto/d/1988-mercedes-benz-300ce-2/6548514708.html


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Re: [MBZ] Permatex #2 cleaning

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Then I'd say an overnight soak in acetone should be in order.
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On March 31, 2018 6:27:35 PM EDT, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>It will gum up the paper.   Possible if you change paper often enough.
>
>> Max Dillon via Mercedes 
>> March 31, 2018 at 5:05 PM
>> Can you glue some fine sand paper to a piece of glass and sand it
>down 
>> flat?
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Re: [MBZ] Permatex #2 cleaning

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It will gum up the paper.   Possible if you change paper often enough.


Max Dillon via Mercedes 
March 31, 2018 at 5:05 PM
Can you glue some fine sand paper to a piece of glass and sand it down 
flat?


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Re: [MBZ] Permatex #2 cleaning

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Apparently, a cutting fluid additive called rustlick will dissolve #2.   
Only $130 Plus shipping for a gal.   Pass


Wonder what is in the stuff.

H Ask and ye shall receive:  Courtesy of the goobermnt required MSDS

Synthetic Isoparaffinic Hydrocarbon

Riight!   Now whazzat?


Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
March 31, 2018 at 5:08 PM
Brass brush?

-D



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Re: [MBZ] I'm big into turbos

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Father in law had one of those inky blue “Mother” tattoos on his forearm that 
he got during the war.  Looked horrible, like a prison tat.

-D


> On Mar 31, 2018, at 6:13 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Even the  WWII navy and marine tattoos looked ugly by the 60s and 70s.  You 
> could generally make out the anchor, but that was about it.
> 
>> G Mann via Mercedes 
>> March 31, 2018 at 4:12 PM
>> Then again... it's only a tattoo.. it will fade with age and wrinkles,
>> right?
>> I've always wondered if people who get tattoo ever think what they will
>> look like after 40 years or so?
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Re: [MBZ] I'm big into turbos

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Even the  WWII navy and marine tattoos looked ugly by the 60s and 70s.  
You could generally make out the anchor, but that was about it.



G Mann via Mercedes 
March 31, 2018 at 4:12 PM
Then again... it's only a tattoo.. it will fade with age and wrinkles,
right?
I've always wondered if people who get tattoo ever think what they will
look like after 40 years or so?



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Re: [MBZ] Permatex #2 cleaning

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Brass brush?

-D


> On Mar 31, 2018, at 6:03 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Its aluminum.  I won't take a power tool to it.   Scraping is  slow with a 
> razor blade.  about 1/16th to 1/32 of a square inch at a time, if you get a 
> good bite. Most of the time you don't get a good bite.  Still a danger of 
> gouging the aluminum.  THe $ hit is probably 5-10 thousandths " thick.  Too 
> thick to get a good seal with a new gasket.  I think I have most of the first 
> one scraped down to where the $ hit is only .001 to .003 thick.
> 
> Tried denatured alcohol.  It made the thick spots easier to see, but no 
> solvent qualities I could see.  I might try paint stripper next.   I got so 
> disgusted I quit for today.
> 
>> G Mann via Mercedes 
>> March 31, 2018 at 4:35 PM
>> If you are scraping gasket material off of a cast iron surface, I've found
>> the Harbor Freight vibration saw [the one on sale for $15 ] with the
>> scraper blade that can be bought for it, is the best thing since canned
>> beer.
>> 
>> If the stuck gasket is on aluminum... proceed at your own caution, The tool
>> can get pretty aggressive and I fear damage to the surface would / could
>> happen.
>> 
>> On cast material.. .Bobs your uncle. I peeled a 40 yr old head gasket off
>> heads and block that would otherwise only come off with a surface grinder.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 103 won’t start

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Well after letting is sit for a while then cranking on it some more it finally 
started again. Once it gets going in runs great and has snappy throttle 
response. Not sure what the deal is 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 31, 2018, at 4:10 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> they also have to spark at the right time.  I think it was the 013 coil that 
> seemed to spark, but the car would not run.  With a new coil, it ran fine.   
> Mine had a weird flat box kind of coil, not a traditional cylinder.  Those 
> flat ones fail in weird ways.
> 
> Just take an old plug out and put it on a wire.   Or pull the wire from the 
> coil and lay it 1/2" or so from a ground.  3/8"  then 1/4"
>> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>> March 31, 2018 at 4:06 PM
>> I guess I will pull the plugs and see if they are sparking
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Permatex #2 cleaning

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Can you glue some fine sand paper to a piece of glass and sand it down flat?  
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Re: [MBZ] Permatex #2 cleaning

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Its aluminum.  I won't take a power tool to it.   Scraping is  slow with 
a razor blade.  about 1/16th to 1/32 of a square inch at a time, if you 
get a good bite. Most of the time you don't get a good bite.  Still a 
danger of gouging the aluminum.  THe $ hit is probably 5-10 thousandths 
" thick.  Too thick to get a good seal with a new gasket.  I think I 
have most of the first one scraped down to where the $ hit is only .001 
to .003 thick.


Tried denatured alcohol.  It made the thick spots easier to see, but no 
solvent qualities I could see.  I might try paint stripper next.   I got 
so disgusted I quit for today.



G Mann via Mercedes 
March 31, 2018 at 4:35 PM
If you are scraping gasket material off of a cast iron surface, I've found
the Harbor Freight vibration saw [the one on sale for $15 ] with the
scraper blade that can be bought for it, is the best thing since canned
beer.

If the stuck gasket is on aluminum... proceed at your own caution, The 
tool

can get pretty aggressive and I fear damage to the surface would / could
happen.

On cast material.. .Bobs your uncle. I peeled a 40 yr old head gasket off
heads and block that would otherwise only come off with a surface grinder.



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Re: [MBZ] OT Winders question

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Dan Penoff wrote:
> Ubuntu has a pretty good GUI.  I use it at work for Linux based stuff I have 
> to do and I like that it lets me easily move back and forth between the CLI 
> and GUI.
 
> A lot of security tools are CLI based, as they often have to run on the 
> absolute minimum amount of resources, or they have to avoid disturbing 
> existing processes so as to not goober things up.
> 
> And there are times when I might want to check my NIC configuration, for 
> example, and it’s a heck of a lot easier to type a command in the CLI and get 
> the information than have to click through three or four different menus or 
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Thanks. I'll try it.
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Re: [MBZ] Permatex #2 cleaning

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If you are scraping gasket material off of a cast iron surface, I've found
the Harbor Freight vibration saw [the one on sale for $15 ] with the
scraper blade that can be bought for it, is the best thing since canned
beer.

If the stuck gasket is on aluminum... proceed at your own caution, The tool
can get pretty aggressive and I fear damage to the surface would / could
happen.

On cast material.. .Bobs your uncle. I peeled a 40 yr old head gasket off
heads and block that would otherwise only come off with a surface grinder.

On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 2:06 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
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> Been scraping for hours on gaskets some genius glued down with permatex 1
> or 2.  Someone had a solvent for this #2.  OK Don I think?   What was that
> solvent?  I got the bulk of the gasket off the next one, but on nearly all
> the surface the gasket came apart rather than separate from the glue $
> hit.  I have hours of scraping ahead to get to where a solvent might even
> work. I can'r imagine any solvent will dissolve the asbestos
> replacement stuff that makes up the bulk of the gasket.
>
> Broke a good warner thin putty knife twice on this  $ hit.   Permatex 1
> and 2 suck big time.
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Re: [MBZ] Garage Challenge - Moriarty

[G Mann via Mercedes]

All it takes is $$$.$$  hhahahaha... 120' X 70' with
14' to the eves, 5 in 12 roof pitch.

I won't be an entry this round. Have to much left to complete before it's
done.  Once finished, I'll endeavor to do a sequence photo of the build.

Thanks for the mention. You all have some great looking garages.

On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 12:59 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
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> But Herr Mann has not submitted an entry.  Therefore, can't win.
>
> Craig via Mercedes 
>> March 31, 2018 at 2:57 PM
>> On Fri, 30 Mar 2018 19:11:45 -0500 Curley McLain via Mercedes
>>
>> Actually, it's not mine; I'm only renting.
>>
>> I think Grant will be the real winner when he gets his construction
>> completed.
>>
>>
>> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] I'm big into turbos

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Then again... it's only a tattoo.. it will fade with age and wrinkles,
right?
I've always wondered if people who get tattoo ever think what they will
look like after 40 years or so?


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> …but I don’t know the difference between a turbo and an alternator?
>
> -D
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] 103 won’t start

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

they also have to spark at the right time.  I think it was the 013 coil 
that seemed to spark, but the car would not run.  With a new coil, it 
ran fine.   Mine had a weird flat box kind of coil, not a traditional 
cylinder.  Those flat ones fail in weird ways.


Just take an old plug out and put it on a wire.   Or pull the wire from 
the coil and lay it 1/2" or so from a ground.  3/8"  then 1/4"

Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
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Re: [MBZ] 103 won’t start

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I guess I will pull the plugs and see if they are sparking 

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> On Mar 31, 2018, at 3:58 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Coil died?
> 
>> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>> March 31, 2018 at 3:50 PM
>> I need 103 help. This 88 300ce has to crank for a long time when starting it 
>> after it sets for a few days. It has been sitting for a couple of weeks and 
>> I cranked on it and it started up like normal. Once you get it going it’s 
>> fine and starts back up just fine. So today I took it down the road and back 
>> and it ran fine and had plenty of power etc. Pulled it around back to hose 
>> off the dust to take photos. Took the photos and it was running all during 
>> this time. When I got ready to pull it back into the garage I put it in 
>> gear, gave it some gas and it died. I have not been able to get it started 
>> back up. I checked and it’s got fuel going to the distributor and the in 
>> port screen is clear so it’s getting fuel. If you crank on it then let off 
>> the key it will sort of stumble for a second. I gave it a little starting 
>> fluid and it tried to fire; sort of fired for a second then died. I have 
>> never worked on these too much so not sure what it could be. I need to get 
>> it back in the garage before it starts raining tonight/tomorrow. It’s on the 
>> charger now I will try it again in a little bit. Maybe it got flooded or 
>> something
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[MBZ] Permatex #2 cleaning

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Been scraping for hours on gaskets some genius glued down with permatex 
1 or 2.  Someone had a solvent for this #2.  OK Don I think?   What was 
that solvent?  I got the bulk of the gasket off the next one, but on 
nearly all the surface the gasket came apart rather than separate from 
the glue $ hit.  I have hours of scraping ahead to get to where a 
solvent might even work. I can'r imagine any solvent will dissolve 
the asbestos replacement stuff that makes up the bulk of the gasket.


Broke a good warner thin putty knife twice on this  $ hit.   Permatex 1 
and 2 suck big time.


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Re: [MBZ] 103 won’t start

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Coil died?


Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
March 31, 2018 at 3:50 PM
I need 103 help. This 88 300ce has to crank for a long time when 
starting it after it sets for a few days. It has been sitting for a 
couple of weeks and I cranked on it and it started up like normal. 
Once you get it going it’s fine and starts back up just fine. So today 
I took it down the road and back and it ran fine and had plenty of 
power etc. Pulled it around back to hose off the dust to take photos. 
Took the photos and it was running all during this time. When I got 
ready to pull it back into the garage I put it in gear, gave it some 
gas and it died. I have not been able to get it started back up. I 
checked and it’s got fuel going to the distributor and the in port 
screen is clear so it’s getting fuel. If you crank on it then let off 
the key it will sort of stumble for a second. I gave it a little 
starting fluid and it tried to fire; sort of fired for a second then 
died. I have never worked on these too much so not sure what it could 
be. I need to get it back in the garage before it starts raining 
tonight/tomorrow. It’s on the charger now I will try it again in a 
little bit. Maybe it got flooded or something


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[MBZ] 103 won’t start

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I need 103 help. This 88 300ce has to crank for a long time when starting it 
after it sets for a few days. It has been sitting for a couple of weeks and I 
cranked on it and it started up like normal. Once you get it going it’s fine 
and starts back up just fine. So today I took it down the road and back and it 
ran fine and had plenty of power etc. Pulled it around back to hose off the 
dust to take photos. Took the photos and it was running all during this time. 
When I got ready to pull it back into the garage I put it in gear, gave it some 
gas and it died. I have not been able to get it started back up. I checked and 
it’s got fuel going to the distributor and the in port screen is clear so it’s 
getting fuel. If you crank on it then let off the key it will sort of stumble 
for a second. I gave it a little starting fluid and it tried to fire; sort of 
fired for a second then died. I have never worked on these too much so not sure 
what it could be. I need to get it back in the garage before it starts raining 
tonight/tomorrow. It’s on the charger now I will try it again in a little bit. 
Maybe it got flooded or something

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Re: [MBZ] OT Winders question

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Ubuntu has a pretty good GUI.  I use it at work for Linux based stuff I have to 
do and I like that it lets me easily move back and forth between the CLI and 
GUI.

A lot of security tools are CLI based, as they often have to run on the 
absolute minimum amount of resources, or they have to avoid disturbing existing 
processes so as to not goober things up.

And there are times when I might want to check my NIC configuration, for 
example, and it’s a heck of a lot easier to type a command in the CLI and get 
the information than have to click through three or four different menus or 
screens.

-D “shut - no shut”


> On Mar 31, 2018, at 4:21 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I agree with Floyd about Windows and Apple.
> 
> The last time I tried Linux, if you wanted to go to some file or do 
> something, it would tell you to go to the command line and type in some 
> string of characters and numbers. Since that was years ago, I'm wondering if 
> some flavors of Linux have gotten out of that habit and actually become user 
> friendly. 
> Gerry 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Winders question

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I agree with Floyd about Windows and Apple.

The last time I tried Linux, if you wanted to go to some file or do something, 
it would tell you to go to the command line and type in some string of 
characters and numbers. Since that was years ago, I'm wondering if some flavors 
of Linux have gotten out of that habit and actually become user friendly. 
Gerry 

Floyd wrote:
> This thing has Win10 Home on it.  I figured out how to see the menu bar 
> on FF, it was as you say.  It astounds me that M$FT dumbed down the OS 
> so much that nothing is particularly visible by default, but it shonuff 
> can annoy the hell out of me with constant pop-ups for various what I 
> guess are supposed to be some kind of utilities bugging me to do some 
> kind of settings or something.  XP was no charmer, but at least it was 
> sorta basic and it worked, however unintuitively. This thing is an 
> abomination.
> 
> I mostly use Macs now, which have their own set of annoyances, which 
> would be minimized if Apple quit "improving" things that work fine.  I 
> have XP on my shop box to run the CNC and laser, and some other boxes I 
> don't use much that have XP and some flavor of Ubuntu.  I guess I am 
> tired of fighting computers.
> 
> --FT
> 
> 
> On 3/30/18 8:45 PM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote:
> >> Floyd wrote:
> >> I have this new cheep winders laptop that is running I think
> >> winders 8 or something.  I can see the windows for the apps but
> >> the menu bar that I am used to is nowhere to be seen on the app
> >> window.  Is there some new magic incantation I need to perform
> >> to get menu choices?  In this case in particular I am using
> >> Firefox.
> > Newer firefoxes have no menu visible by default.  I think if you
> > Alt-click somewhere on the page the menu will temporarily appear
> > and you can use "View > Toolbar > Menu" to make it stay.
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Re: [MBZ] Garage Challenge - Moriarty

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

But Herr Mann has not submitted an entry.  Therefore, can't win.


Craig via Mercedes 
March 31, 2018 at 2:57 PM
On Fri, 30 Mar 2018 19:11:45 -0500 Curley McLain via Mercedes

Actually, it's not mine; I'm only renting.

I think Grant will be the real winner when he gets his construction
completed.


Craig


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Re: [MBZ] OT Winders question

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

USe a DT  quote:   "Yer FIRED!"


Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
March 31, 2018 at 12:52 PM
Nope, no separate network. Flat refusal.

Ain't life great?

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Re: [MBZ] Garage Challenge - Moriarty

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On Fri, 30 Mar 2018 19:11:45 -0500 Curley McLain via Mercedes
 wrote:

> You win!   Nice!

Actually, it's not mine; I'm only renting.

I think Grant will be the real winner when he gets his construction
completed.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] I'm big into turbos

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…but I don’t know the difference between a turbo and an alternator?

-D


> On Mar 31, 2018, at 2:51 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
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[MBZ] I'm big into turbos

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Re: [MBZ] W140 hood won’t release

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I don’t want to bend the hood 

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> Porta-power.
> 
> On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 12:11 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
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>> I have a 140 that the right side of the hood won’t release. The left latch
>> released but I can get drivers side to pop loose. Just the other day it was
>> fine. How can I pop it loose?
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Re: [MBZ] OT Winders question

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Un-plug the Ethernet wire  - - -

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>
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Re: [MBZ] W140 hood won’t release

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Porta-power.

On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 12:11 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I have a 140 that the right side of the hood won’t release. The left latch
> released but I can get drivers side to pop loose. Just the other day it was
> fine. How can I pop it loose?
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for themselves."

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Re: [MBZ] OT Winders question

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Nope, no separate network.  Flat refusal.

Ain't life great?

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] W140 hood won’t release

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

This is a car I need to put the head back on but in the mean time need to 
borrow the power steering pump for the other one I am working one the mounting 
ears are broken off the one in the car and I can’t seem to locate one for a 140 
diesel. I have several other pumps that look the same so I figured I would just 
swap the front section but no, the insides on each was just a little different. 



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> On Mar 31, 2018, at 12:19 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Flame wrench!
> 
> Or, let the kid or kid drive it.
>> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>> March 31, 2018 at 12:11 PM
>> I have a 140 that the right side of the hood won’t release. The left latch 
>> released but I can get drivers side to pop loose. Just the other day it was 
>> fine. How can I pop it loose?
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] W140 hood won’t release

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Flame wrench!

Or, let the kid or kid drive it.

Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
March 31, 2018 at 12:11 PM
I have a 140 that the right side of the hood won’t release. The left 
latch released but I can get drivers side to pop loose. Just the other 
day it was fine. How can I pop it loose?




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Re: [MBZ] OT Winders question

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

They need to "sandbox" the tools/equipment, then give you a laptop/old 
desktop to access internet.   Or, at least hide all the tools/equipment 
on its own network, hopefully behind another network, behind the 
internet facing network.  Pretty basic stuff.  Not rocket science, but 
kids don't "Get it"  Especially if they grew up as a "gamer"



As for the last comment, Curmudgeon is a better term.   Some of us have 
paid dearly for the experience that allows us to be a curmudgeon.

Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
March 31, 2018 at 11:45 AM
Lol, yeah, computer upgrades are a huge PITA considering the 
underlying hardware is essentially unchanged for the last decade.


I'm fighting the battle of needing "new" software to get camera files 
into Photoshop, now that there are finally digital cameras capable of 
enough resolution to bother with them, I really need a "new" OS -- all 
because none of the vendors support anything up the latest "upgrade" 
of OS that does nothing new except eat up processor power.


Either that or I'm getting old and don't need to be entertained much, eh?

Same problem at work, we get flack from the overseas management 
because we need Windoze 7 (or better, XP) computers to run instruments 
for which there is no newer software, and new instruments are in the 
250K and up range. Every couple years we have to train a new "IT" guy 
on why we dont' have the latest and greatest, and if they'd take the 
blasted things off the internet, we don't need all the anti-virus 
stuff, either


I'm becoming a grumpy old man.


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Re: [MBZ] Inner door liner

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Going to have to get me some.  I got to work on 3 doors on this thing. 

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> On Mar 31, 2018, at 12:14 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I keep a bottle of rubber cement around for this.  Makes it easy to stick on 
> and isn’t messy.  Peels off easily, too.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Mar 31, 2018, at 1:10 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> What do you guys use to stick the plastic inner door liner back to the 
>> inside of the door after removing it to do work?
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] W140 hood won’t release

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I will try that 

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> On Mar 31, 2018, at 12:15 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I had that problem on a 126, some PB Blaster got it loosed
> 
> --FT
> 
> 
>> On 3/31/18 1:11 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> I have a 140 that the right side of the hood won’t release. The left latch 
>> released but I can get drivers side to pop loose. Just the other day it was 
>> fine. How can I pop it loose?
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] W140 hood won’t release

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I had that problem on a 126, some PB Blaster got it loosed

--FT


On 3/31/18 1:11 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

I have a 140 that the right side of the hood won’t release. The left latch 
released but I can get drivers side to pop loose. Just the other day it was 
fine. How can I pop it loose?

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Re: [MBZ] Inner door liner

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I keep a bottle of rubber cement around for this.  Makes it easy to stick on 
and isn’t messy.  Peels off easily, too.

-D


> On Mar 31, 2018, at 1:10 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> What do you guys use to stick the plastic inner door liner back to the inside 
> of the door after removing it to do work?
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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[MBZ] W140 hood won’t release

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I have a 140 that the right side of the hood won’t release. The left latch 
released but I can get drivers side to pop loose. Just the other day it was 
fine. How can I pop it loose?

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[MBZ] Inner door liner

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

What do you guys use to stick the plastic inner door liner back to the inside 
of the door after removing it to do work?


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Re: [MBZ] Garage Challenge - Moriarty

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On March 30, 2018 at 8:39 PM Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> It does have heaters, however, we do not use them because of the amount
> of propane they use. The first November we were here, I set them to keep
> the shop at 55 deg.F. (about 6' off the floor). We went through about 350
> gallons of propane in three weeks.

For comparison, my house has gone through nearly 300 gallons since I had the 
tank filled in October. But my house is much smaller (30'x40') than your shed. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT Winders question

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Lol, yeah, computer upgrades are a huge PITA considering the underlying 
hardware is essentially unchanged for the last decade.

I'm fighting the battle of needing "new" software to get camera files into 
Photoshop, now that there are finally digital cameras capable of enough 
resolution to bother with them, I really need a "new" OS -- all because none of 
the vendors support anything up the latest "upgrade" of OS that does nothing 
new except eat up processor power.

Either that or I'm getting old and don't need to be entertained much, eh?

Same problem at work, we get flack from the overseas management because we need 
Windoze 7 (or better, XP) computers to run instruments for which there is no 
newer software, and new instruments are in the 250K and up range.  Every couple 
years we have to train a new "IT" guy on why we dont' have the latest and 
greatest, and if they'd take the blasted things off the internet, we don't need 
all the anti-virus stuff, either

I'm becoming a grumpy old man.
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Re: [MBZ] Please Talk me out of this one - -'78 Silver Wraith RR on BAT

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Rolls Royce and Boats if you have to ask how much it costs, you can't
afford it.

B.O.A.T.  "Bring Out Another Thousand"

Rolls Royce has a feature that is designed into the structure from the
factory. It is a "Wallet Vacuum". As soon as you set in the owners seat,
front or rear, it kicks on and runs continuously until it sucks the wallet,
the trust fund, and all life savings away from the owner.

Andrew "needs" this one so he can experience all the emotional highs and
lows of Rolls ownership Should park well in the DC area... ;))


On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 8:13 AM, tyee165 via Mercedes  wrote:

> If you want to have a Rolls you need to do the work yourself unless you
> are very wealthy and you need to be able to think outside of the box.Many
> repairs do not have to be factory and may be better in the long run.My
> mechanic son worked on an old one that had an odd brake system. They
> installed a Chevy brake booster and swapped the left and right brake shoes,
> drums etc in order to keep it on the road for the owner.
> RB
>
>
> Sent from my Galaxy Tab® A
>  Original message From: Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> Date: 2018-03-30  10:32 AM  (GMT-06:00) To:
> Mercedes Discussion List  Cc: Curley McLain <
> 126die...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Please Talk me out of this one -
> -'78 Silver Wraith RR on
>   BAT
> S!   Andrew NEEDS a roller!
>
> > Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> > March 30, 2018 at 10:16 AM
> > A friend of mine came into some money when his mother died. He
> > "invested" something like $60k into a Rolls. It was constantly broken
> > down and every time it did it was like a $5,000 repair. I'm talking
> > like radiator, brake lines, control units etc. After dumping something
> > like $20k into it he dumped it for something like $10k...
> > -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] Please Talk me out of this one - -'78 Silver Wraith RR on BAT

[tyee165 via Mercedes]

If you want to have a Rolls you need to do the work yourself unless you are 
very wealthy and you need to be able to think outside of the box.Many repairs 
do not have to be factory and may be better in the long run.My mechanic son 
worked on an old one that had an odd brake system. They installed a Chevy brake 
booster and swapped the left and right brake shoes, drums etc in order to keep 
it on the road for the owner.
RB


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 Original message From: Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 Date: 2018-03-30  10:32 AM  (GMT-06:00) To: Mercedes 
Discussion List  Cc: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com> 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Please Talk me out of this one - -'78 Silver Wraith RR on
  BAT 
S!   Andrew NEEDS a roller!

> Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> March 30, 2018 at 10:16 AM
> A friend of mine came into some money when his mother died. He 
> "invested" something like $60k into a Rolls. It was constantly broken 
> down and every time it did it was like a $5,000 repair. I'm talking 
> like radiator, brake lines, control units etc. After dumping something 
> like $20k into it he dumped it for something like $10k...
> -Curt

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Re: [MBZ] OT Winders question

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

+1

For Floyd, and anyone else who has not upgraded Winders 8 to Winders 7, 
or downgraded to winders 10:


https://www.howtogeek.com/107711/how-to-get-the-classic-start-menu-back-in-windows-8/

Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
March 31, 2018 at 8:47 AM

I mostly use Macs now, which have their own set of annoyances, which 
would be minimized if Apple quit "improving" things that work fine.  I 
have XP on my shop box to run the CNC and laser, and some other boxes 
I don't use much that have XP and some flavor of Ubuntu.  I guess I am 
tired of fighting computers.


--FT





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Re: [MBZ] Variable Compression Engine

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I thought Airbuses just bored in and had no indications they were doing 
so because the freench nannies decide what the monitors in the front 
seats can see


--FT


On 3/30/18 11:47 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
HAHAHAHA! Sure!  Same as Airbus provides gliders to passengers to 
glide safely to earf when the fly by wire fails.



G Mann via Mercedes 
March 30, 2018 at 10:20 PM
Only one question.
Does the car with this engine come equipped with a folding bicycle in 
the

trunk to serve as the "limp home mode" when one tiny computer component
fails and it goes into catastrophic failure?



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Re: [MBZ] OT Winders question

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

This thing has Win10 Home on it.  I figured out how to see the menu bar 
on FF, it was as you say.  It astounds me that M$FT dumbed down the OS 
so much that nothing is particularly visible by default, but it shonuff 
can annoy the hell out of me with constant pop-ups for various what I 
guess are supposed to be some kind of utilities bugging me to do some 
kind of settings or something.  XP was no charmer, but at least it was 
sorta basic and it worked, however unintuitively. This thing is an 
abomination.


I mostly use Macs now, which have their own set of annoyances, which 
would be minimized if Apple quit "improving" things that work fine.  I 
have XP on my shop box to run the CNC and laser, and some other boxes I 
don't use much that have XP and some flavor of Ubuntu.  I guess I am 
tired of fighting computers.


--FT


On 3/30/18 8:45 PM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote:

Floyd wrote:
I have this new cheep winders laptop that is running I think
winders 8 or something.  I can see the windows for the apps but
the menu bar that I am used to is nowhere to be seen on the app
window.  Is there some new magic incantation I need to perform
to get menu choices?  In this case in particular I am using
Firefox.

Newer firefoxes have no menu visible by default.  I think if you
Alt-click somewhere on the page the menu will temporarily appear
and you can use "View > Toolbar > Menu" to make it stay.

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