Re: [MBZ] On the trail of the E300D's electrical drain ...

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Yes, Disconnect the relay and watch what stops working.  Then wring that
item out for short or rubs or electrical leak.

On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 4:59 PM Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> I removed the automatic antenna from its mounting in the upper-left of the
> trunk; since I hurt my lower back Saturday bending over the trunk that was
> easiest thing to do -- a 10 mm hex bolt and one #2 Phillips screw.
>
> I was able to disconnect the power/control plug from the antenna, which
> was hampered by the presence of the analog telephone duplexer, and then
> continued my trouble lamp testing.
>
> There was still a small drain (variously between 100 and 250 mA). The
> system finally settled down to where if I disconnected Fuse 9, the lamp
> went out. When I reconnected it, the lamp would glow brightly until a
> relay clicked in and released and then the lamp would glow dimly.
>
> By ear and hand, I traced it down to the relay shown in the attached
> picture. Page 2 of the W124-Schematics.pdf file I have (which is page 102
> of the document) says the relay is "K24 Convenience Relay".
>
> [Interestingly, at least one of the relays has been replaced, the orange
> one -- K9 Auxiliary Fan Relay -- has a manufacture date of 15 Dec 2004.]
>
> So that started a visual search for the relay on the schematic pages,
> which are, unfortunately, pictures, so I cannot electronically search for
> the K24 designation.
>
> I found K24 on page 105/1 (page 6 of the PDF) where it is connected to
> fuse G, on page 107 (page 8 of the PDF) where it is connected to fuse G
> and fuse H (both 25 A fuses) both of which power N57, the "Convenience
> Control Unit".
>
> The "Convenience Control Unit" shows up on
>  page 144/2 (PDF page 136) in relation to the power windows switches
>  page 144/4 (PDF page 138) in relation to the power windows motors
> and
>  page 144/5 (PDF page 139) in relation to the N26 Anti-Theft Alarm
> Control Unit
>
>
> Now all I need to do is figure out is what all this is telling me. I'm
> not sure what controls K24's coil -- that's what I need to find first,
> I think.
>
> Anyone have any suggestions?
>
>
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] I wonder what the bio hazard is?

[Frederick Moir via Mercedes]

Blud?


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Re: [MBZ] New Parts Catalog and SA codes

[Frederick Moir via Mercedes]

Jaime.
I'm subscribed, but, I cannot for the life of me, figure out how to use
this poltergeist inspired nightmare!
You have my sympathy.
Fred,
Olde Skool idjit.

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> Does anyone use the new Daimler/MBUSA parts catalog?
>
> I'm trying to look up parts for SA 10550, but there is no SA mode anymore.
> I see the option in the users guide, but I don't have it.
>
> Anyway else have this issue?  Am I missing something obvious?
>
> Thanks
> Jaime
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Re: [MBZ] Triggering an Oil Thread [was: Re: W123 FB Idiot]

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Mitch wrote:

> Viscosity is measured at 100°C.

100° C or 40° C.

> IIRC, the W rating is measured at 0°C,

zero F, or -18° C.  Except it's not actually a viscosity
measurement, but a cranking simulator - I think.

> So a 10W40 had the viscosity of SAE40 at 100C and the viscosity
> of SAE10 at 0C. Below 0°C, a 15w50 might be thinner than a 10w30.

Nice summary.

Here is a decent long article.

https://bestsyntheticoilguide.com/synthetic/viscosity/

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Re: [MBZ] OT: WAS Cooling w/o electricity NOW drying clothes w/o electricity

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> Curt wrote:

>  We have a clothes line outdoors. I had trouble keeping line on
> it...  

> I finally upped my game:
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00DKA409Y/

> We've had that strung for just about 4 years and it looks like
> it'll be fine for a few more anyway

Nice!  That's sure a more durable option that cotton or nylon if
it's in the sun.

I wanted more tension and have 2" pipe in concrete for the end
poles.  So I have 1/8" GAC, PVC coated.

https://www.e-rigging.com/1-8-vinyl-coated-galvanized-cable

It's pretty nice, though the 3/16 OD is a bit big for clothes pins.

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Re: [MBZ] Nice looking 560 but the aftermarket radio is a huge turn off for me

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

That’s a heck of a deal. It’s got heated and power rear seats, too.

-D


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[MBZ] Nice looking 560 but the aftermarket radio is a huge turn off for me

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1991 Mercedes 560sel

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[MBZ] Drug usage ahead

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1991 Mercedes 300D 5 speed manual

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[MBZ] I wonder what the bio hazard is?

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Re: [MBZ] Triggering an Oil Thread [was: Re: W123 FB Idiot]

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 The TDI forums recommend T6 and M1 TDT but neither carry a VW spec...
I used to use Car Quest synthetic 5w40 which interestingly DID carry the VW 505 
spec.
2003 in a Jetta I think is still a VE engine, you can get away with a little 
more there. The PD engine I think started in 2004 in the Jetta but 2003 in the 
Golf. That one drives the injectors off the cam and is harder on the oil.
-Curt

On Tuesday, August 6, 2019, 7:02:02 PM EDT, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Curt wrote:

>I can't find that T6 meets any VW specs,

Hmm. A few years ago, my friend had a 2003 TDI Jetta he bought new, and all the 
forums he was on recommended Rotella T6. I suppose times have changed.


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Re: [MBZ] Triggering an Oil Thread [was: Re: W123 FB Idiot]

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Curt wrote:

>I can't find that T6 meets any VW specs,

Hmm. A few years ago, my friend had a 2003 TDI Jetta he bought new, and all the 
forums he was on recommended Rotella T6. I suppose times have changed.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: WAS Cooling w/o electricity NOW drying clothes w/o electricity

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On 06/08/2019 5:53 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:

On Tue, 6 Aug 2019 16:19:55 -0500 Randy Bennell via Mercedes
 wrote:


On 06/08/2019 4:15 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:

On Tue, 6 Aug 2019 15:16:56 -0500 Randy Bennell via Mercedes
 wrote:


*https://tinyurl.com/y6lxlqa5*

Yes, I sent it. Nothing to worry about.

And clicking on that link takes one to:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07BPP9QLR
Sun Dry Clothesline Designer Colors Outdoor
Replacement Cord Long Lasting Low Stretch
(36 Clothespins, Fuchsia Sun Rise)
Price:  $13.77 FREE Shipping on orders over $25

Yes, indeedy, that will dry clothes without electricity!!!

And if you want clothes pins to go with them, check out:

https://smile.amazon.com/Kevins-Quality-Clothespins-Maple-natural/dp/B00NOC13GQ
https://smile.amazon.com/Kevins-Quality-Clothespins-Lifetime-Guarantee/dp/B00O2CSUX6
https://smile.amazon.com/Kevins-Quality-Clothespins-Set-50/dp/B00O2D6D0M


Craig

P.S. We are doing the same thing (drying clothes on a line) here.

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real or imagined energy crisis a number of years ago, advertised a 
"solar clothes dryer" for a quite reasonable price. Many people took him 
up on his offer and paid something like $10 for the solar dryer. They 
then received in the mail, a length of clothes line with instructions to 
tie it between two trees and hang their clothes on it when the sun was 
shining.


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Re: [MBZ] Triggering an Oil Thread [was: Re: W123 FB Idiot]

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

I changed it at 8500 and sent it to blackstone.  They suggested running
9500 next time.  Lead levels were a bit higher than normal, but they said
not to be alarmed.  I wonder if thats from the 0-5F starts this winter.
Perhaps I change it to 5w40 next time.  The engine doesn't burn a drop, at
least!

Jaime

On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 6:50 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> What kind of change interval are you using?
>
> I ask because wit the SL500 getting some miles on it (I think it’s
> approaching 140k) I might consider swapping it over to something like this
> from the 0w-40 Mobil 1 I’ve run in it since I got it at 72k.
>
> Thanks!
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Aug 6, 2019, at 6:44 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I put this in the S420:
> > https://www.redlineoil.com/10w40-motor-oil
> >
> > I put the 5w40 version in my dad's Boxster.
> >
> > Jaime
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 10:35 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Jaime,
> >>
> >> Which RedLine product is the high ZDDP oil you use in your S420?
> >>
> >> I use Brad Penn in the finnie, of course. Good (green) stuff.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
> >>
>
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[MBZ] New Parts Catalog and SA codes

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

Does anyone use the new Daimler/MBUSA parts catalog?

I'm trying to look up parts for SA 10550, but there is no SA mode anymore.
I see the option in the users guide, but I don't have it.

Anyway else have this issue?  Am I missing something obvious?

Thanks
Jaime


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Re: [MBZ] OT: WAS Cooling w/o electricity NOW drying clothes w/o electricity

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On Tue, 6 Aug 2019 16:19:55 -0500 Randy Bennell via Mercedes
 wrote:

> On 06/08/2019 4:15 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:
> > On Tue, 6 Aug 2019 15:16:56 -0500 Randy Bennell via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> >
> >> *https://tinyurl.com/y6lxlqa5*
> 
> Yes, I sent it. Nothing to worry about.

And clicking on that link takes one to:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07BPP9QLR
Sun Dry Clothesline Designer Colors Outdoor
Replacement Cord Long Lasting Low Stretch
(36 Clothespins, Fuchsia Sun Rise)
Price:  $13.77 FREE Shipping on orders over $25

Yes, indeedy, that will dry clothes without electricity!!!

And if you want clothes pins to go with them, check out:

https://smile.amazon.com/Kevins-Quality-Clothespins-Maple-natural/dp/B00NOC13GQ
https://smile.amazon.com/Kevins-Quality-Clothespins-Lifetime-Guarantee/dp/B00O2CSUX6
https://smile.amazon.com/Kevins-Quality-Clothespins-Set-50/dp/B00O2D6D0M


Craig

P.S. We are doing the same thing (drying clothes on a line) here.

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Re: [MBZ] Triggering an Oil Thread [was: Re: W123 FB Idiot]

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

What kind of change interval are you using?

I ask because wit the SL500 getting some miles on it (I think it’s approaching 
140k) I might consider swapping it over to something like this from the 0w-40 
Mobil 1 I’ve run in it since I got it at 72k.

Thanks!

-D


> On Aug 6, 2019, at 6:44 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I put this in the S420:
> https://www.redlineoil.com/10w40-motor-oil
> 
> I put the 5w40 version in my dad's Boxster.
> 
> Jaime
> 
> 
> On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 10:35 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Jaime,
>> 
>> Which RedLine product is the high ZDDP oil you use in your S420?
>> 
>> I use Brad Penn in the finnie, of course. Good (green) stuff.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 


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Re: [MBZ] Triggering an Oil Thread [was: Re: W123 FB Idiot]

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

I put this in the S420:
https://www.redlineoil.com/10w40-motor-oil

I put the 5w40 version in my dad's Boxster.

Jaime


On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 10:35 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Jaime,
>
> Which RedLine product is the high ZDDP oil you use in your S420?
>
> I use Brad Penn in the finnie, of course. Good (green) stuff.
>
> Thanks,
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Aug 6, 2019, at 10:28 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I think one important consideration to make is the levels of ZDDP is the
> > oil used.  In general, these levels have been going down over time and
> with
> > each new standard due to their negative impact on catalyst systems and
> new
> > engine designs not needed them.  All our older engines, including the 61x
> > diesels, need ZDDP to properly lubrication due to the design of their
> > valvetrains.
> >
> > While Mobil 1 was an excellent choice when Dr Booth was still around, I'd
> > suggest that its possibly changed significantly over the years and might
> > not be appropriate in all viscosities anymore.  I'm not stating this as
> > fact, more as a warning you should be aware of.
> >
> > I'm still running Rotella 15w40 in my diesels and Penn Grade in all my
> gas
> > engines.  (Except my wife's 2011 E class which get genuine MB oil, and my
> > 96 S420 when gets high-ZDDP Redline).  The standards will change again in
> > 2020, so I suspect Rotella might be crossed off the list of good oils to
> > use.
> >
> > I've also been doing more oil analysis lately to see zinc and phosprous
> > (ZDDP) levels myself without having the trust the marketing departments
> of
> > oil companies.
> >
> > Jaime
> >
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT Boing 787 Investigation in SC

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Upper management not engaging with the workforce is a GE characteristic, as is 
going gaga about whatever stupid "management idea" is the flavor of the day.  
For example, first it was monitoring repairs to set up a preventative 
maintenance system to prevent outages, now it's monitor equipment to eliminate 
the preventative maintenance to save money

Can't have both, and you never get free equipment maintenance either.

For some reason modern American Management seems to think they live on some 
ethereal plane that doesn't require actual working people to get anything done, 
not sure if it's the computers, the dimwits running business schools, or 
general Imperial decay, but it's real.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: WAS Cooling w/o electricity NOW drying clothes w/o electricity

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 We have a clothes line outdoors. I had trouble keeping line on it, the stuff 
at the hardware store that came in a sufficient length wasn't terribly strong 
and would only last a year. I finally upped my game: 
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00DKA409Y/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
We've had that strung for just about 4 years and it looks like it'll be fine 
for a few more anyway. Our total run (out and back) is just over 100 feet.
-Curt

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Re: [MBZ] OT: iCloud sucks

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Isn't it a happy thing having other people in control of your life? Like
computer programmers who write flight control programs for airliners?
Happy: The day I threw my new I phone 30 feet across the lobby at the I
phone store and smashed it on impact... The problem was something of about
that magnitude. My "wait time" got very short when I went to Wal Mart and
bought a flip phone for $12.95 with unlimited talk and text... never looked
back.

YMMV, good luck.


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> A few weeks ago I acquired a "new" 2010 Macbook Pro for Angie. When I went
> to reinstall the OS I discovered that it'd been so long since I logged into
> iCloud that they'd locked my account.In the process of recovering my
> account I somehow REALLY locked it. So I requested a recovery which Apple
> made me wait 3 WEEKS for.
> I got the laptop setup by making a new Apple account, does it seem
> reasonable that I'd wait 3 frickin weeks to setup a new laptop?
> After 3 weeks I got a text that my account was ready for recovery. I got
> busy and forgot about it until today. I went to apple.com/recovery and it
> said "look for a notification on your Mac" well theres no notification
> because I'm not logged in to iCloud on my Mac because I'm logged out.Now I
> seem to be in a circular state of "recovery" because Apple wants me to
> "recover on your device" which I can't because I'm logged out because they
> locked my account...
> Ugh, why do people put up with this? If it wasn't a work computer I'd put
> Linux on it and forget about Apple...
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[MBZ] OT: iCloud sucks

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

A few weeks ago I acquired a "new" 2010 Macbook Pro for Angie. When I went to 
reinstall the OS I discovered that it'd been so long since I logged into iCloud 
that they'd locked my account.In the process of recovering my account I somehow 
REALLY locked it. So I requested a recovery which Apple made me wait 3 WEEKS 
for.
I got the laptop setup by making a new Apple account, does it seem reasonable 
that I'd wait 3 frickin weeks to setup a new laptop?
After 3 weeks I got a text that my account was ready for recovery. I got busy 
and forgot about it until today. I went to apple.com/recovery and it said "look 
for a notification on your Mac" well theres no notification because I'm not 
logged in to iCloud on my Mac because I'm logged out.Now I seem to be in a 
circular state of "recovery" because Apple wants me to "recover on your device" 
which I can't because I'm logged out because they locked my account...
Ugh, why do people put up with this? If it wasn't a work computer I'd put Linux 
on it and forget about Apple...
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Re: [MBZ] OT: WAS Cooling w/o electricity NOW drying clothes w/o electricity

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On 06/08/2019 4:15 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:

On Tue, 6 Aug 2019 15:16:56 -0500 Randy Bennell via Mercedes
 wrote:


*https://tinyurl.com/y6lxlqa5*

Randy,

Did you sent this email?

I'm not comfortable clicking on links in a link-only email.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: WAS Cooling w/o electricity NOW drying clothes w/o electricity

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On Tue, 6 Aug 2019 15:16:56 -0500 Randy Bennell via Mercedes
 wrote:

> *https://tinyurl.com/y6lxlqa5*

Randy,

Did you sent this email?

I'm not comfortable clicking on links in a link-only email.


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Re: [MBZ] Triggering an Oil Thread [was: Re: W123 FB Idiot]

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 I can't find that T6 meets any VW specs, certainly not the 505 required for a 
VE engine. Thats not the end of the world M1 Turbo Diesel Truck doesn't either. 
Lots of VE engine'd VWs get fed T6.

The PD engines require 505.1 which is hard to get at FLAPS. I think theres a 
Castrol that meets it, thats why Angie's Golf gets LubriMoly.
The CR engines require 507 which is only 5w30. Nothing at FLAPS meets that 
standard, apparently its low "saps" whatever that means and protects the DPF 
(diesel particulate filter). This is why my Jetta gets LubriMoly but not the 
same formula as the Golf. The Golf doesn't like 5w30, or maybe it likes it too 
much, it consumes quite a bit. It only consumes a tiny amount (half quart in 
10,000 miles) of 5w40.
I thought it was T4 that Curley didn't like. I *think* T4 is conventional, T5 
is synthetic blend and T6 is "full synthetic". I was considering changing the 
ASV snowmobile trail groomer to T6 since its way cheaper than M1.Actually I 
should price the 0w40 John Deere sells, its a JD engine after all...

-Curt

On Tuesday, August 6, 2019, 11:23:13 AM EDT, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Jaime wrote:

>I think one important consideration to make is the levels of ZDDP in the oil 
>used.

Yep.

There are several oils that do not meet the Ford diesel spec. While I can't 
find the why's and wherefores, I suspect it is a lack of ZDDP in the 
formulations.

Shell Rotella T6 appears to meet Ford, VW, and MB specs. Curley is of the 
opinion that Rotella isn't that good, because of anecdotal evidence from 
thousands (millions) of miles of OTR use in tractor trailers.

I suppose most manufacturers don't condone the use of oil additives, I think a 
ZDDP supplement is probably in order. It can't hurt.

https://zddplus.com/zddplus-oil-additive/

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] OT: WAS Cooling w/o electricity NOW drying clothes w/o electricity

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*https://tinyurl.com/y6lxlqa5*
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Re: [MBZ] OT Boing 787 Investigation in SC

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

A friend is a team leader on a build section on the 787 line in 
Charleston.  He tells me stories that suggest management is not too 
plugged into the line guys and willing to listen to their experience and 
expertise until it costs them more time or money, which is not 
infrequent due to component manufacturing errors/delays and bad build 
procedures.  He came from a construction management background, so knows 
how to read prints and how to use a tool and how to figure things out.  
It has taken 3 or 4 years for his direct management to acknowledge he 
actually knows what he is talking about, and now they will listen to him 
but it has to be sorta on the quiet as their processes don't encourage 
that approach for some reasons not clear.  I think a lot of them are 
touchy because of the union issues in Seattle, which is not an issue 
here.  He also has told me that the workforce skills of late are quite 
lacking, some of the people they hire need courses in remedial 
wrench-holding and such, they are pretty much ignorant.  That is a 
state/local govt issue given how they have given lots of incentives for 
these companies to locate here, and there is considerable pressure now 
on the workforce which seems to be fairly engaged because of all the 
other opportunities, and those who are at the lowest end of the 
distribution are not particularly sharp.


I get the impression too that a lot of the "controversy" is due to union 
agitators who keep trying to get a foothold here.  He doesn't have 
strong feelings one way or another, he has run the numbers and says the 
union wouldn't offer much, and would be a pain in the ass to deal with, 
so not a lot to compel support.


--FT

On 8/5/19 7:08 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote:

The issues with the 787 appear to be sloppy manufacture, not design defects.  I 
think it's fair to assume that if the assembly crew is leaving tools and trash 
on the planes the actual assembly is probably suspect as well. Something about 
attention to detail, I think.

Boeing may yet regret moving their assembly plants to areas of historically low 
wages and no recent aerospace construction, it's not quite like tossing sloppy 
out of square cinder block foundations together.
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Re: [MBZ] I Want

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Someone a few years back had 3 or 4 of the black taxis they were setting 
up to use in Charleston.  Saw them around for awhile but I guess it 
didn't last long.  There's not a huge taxi demand around town, and now 
uberlifts are what most people use I think.


--FT

On 8/6/19 2:19 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes wrote:

You could start a  tourist shuttle business. I love those old Austin
diesels.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI
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Re: [MBZ] I Want

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On Tue, 6 Aug 2019 14:37:59 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> That’s the engine compartment. I think you mean the first picture that
> is in black and white. It’s clear that the area where these pictures
> were taken is not  Central Florida, as the fauna is decidedly different.

Sorry, I had problems with pasting the wrong link.

What I meant was:

https://images.craigslist.org/00U0U_8tOTmn8lcjO_1200x900.jpg

which shows it with Hawai'ian plates.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] I Want

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

That’s the engine compartment. I think you mean the first picture that is in 
black and white. It’s clear that the area where these pictures were taken is 
not  Central Florida, as the fauna is decidedly different.

-D


> On Aug 6, 2019, at 2:22 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 6 Aug 2019 11:02:46 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> Why wouldn’t it be legal the way it is?
>> 
>> If it’s titled in the state of Florida, it should be street legal. Says
>> it has a salvage title so I’m assuming it is.
> 
> 
> https://images.craigslist.org/00h0h_5UK8bxM3Yha_1200x900.jpg
> 
> shows it with Hawaiian plates.
> 
> 
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] I Want

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Tue, 6 Aug 2019 11:02:46 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Why wouldn’t it be legal the way it is?
> 
> If it’s titled in the state of Florida, it should be street legal. Says
> it has a salvage title so I’m assuming it is.


https://images.craigslist.org/00h0h_5UK8bxM3Yha_1200x900.jpg

shows it with Hawaiian plates.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] I Want

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You could start a  tourist shuttle business. I love those old Austin
diesels.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI
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Re: [MBZ] I Want

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Tue, 6 Aug 2019 10:57:05 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> This is cool:
> 
> https://orlando.craigslist.org/cto/d/orlando-austin-fx4-diesel-london-taxi/6948049229.html

It is interesting that it has a Sanden-type rotary A/C compressor, as
shown in 
   https://images.craigslist.org/00h0h_5UK8bxM3Yha_1200x900.jpg


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Triggering an Oil Thread [was: Re: W123 FB Idiot]

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Jaime wrote:

>I think one important consideration to make is the levels of ZDDP in the oil 
>used.

Yep.

There are several oils that do not meet the Ford diesel spec. While I can't 
find the why's and wherefores, I suspect it is a lack of ZDDP in the 
formulations.

Shell Rotella T6 appears to meet Ford, VW, and MB specs. Curley is of the 
opinion that Rotella isn't that good, because of anecdotal evidence from 
thousands (millions) of miles of OTR use in tractor trailers.

I suppose most manufacturers don't condone the use of oil additives, I think a 
ZDDP supplement is probably in order. It can't hurt.

https://zddplus.com/zddplus-oil-additive/

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] I Want

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Why wouldn’t it be legal the way it is?

If it’s titled in the state of Florida, it should be street legal. Says it has 
a salvage title so I’m assuming it is.

-D




> On Aug 6, 2019, at 11:00 AM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> Very cool, and you will have  even more fun making it street legal
> 
> On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 10:57 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> This is cool:
> 
> https://orlando.craigslist.org/cto/d/orlando-austin-fx4-diesel-london-taxi/6948049229.html
>  
> 
> 
> -D
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] I Want

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Very cool, and you will have  even more fun making it street legal

On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 10:57 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> This is cool:
>
>
> https://orlando.craigslist.org/cto/d/orlando-austin-fx4-diesel-london-taxi/6948049229.html
>
> -D
>
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[MBZ] I Want

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

This is cool:

https://orlando.craigslist.org/cto/d/orlando-austin-fx4-diesel-london-taxi/6948049229.html

-D



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Re: [MBZ] Triggering an Oil Thread [was: Re: W123 FB Idiot]

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

good simple explanation.  Thanks!

--FT

On 8/6/19 10:35 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

Viscosity is measured at 100°C.
IIRC, the W rating is measured at 0°C, and based on the 0°C viscosity of a 
comparable dino oil.
So a 10W40 had the viscosity of SAE40 at 100C and the viscosity of SAE10 at 0C.
Below 0°C, a 15w50 might be thinner than a 10w30.

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Re: [MBZ] Triggering an Oil Thread [was: Re: W123 FB Idiot]

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Viscosity is measured at 100°C.
IIRC, the W rating is measured at 0°C, and based on the 0°C viscosity of a 
comparable dino oil. 
So a 10W40 had the viscosity of SAE40 at 100C and the viscosity of SAE10 at 0C.
Below 0°C, a 15w50 might be thinner than a 10w30.

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Re: [MBZ] Triggering an Oil Thread [was: Re: W123 FB Idiot]

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Jaime,

Which RedLine product is the high ZDDP oil you use in your S420?

I use Brad Penn in the finnie, of course. Good (green) stuff.

Thanks,

-D


> On Aug 6, 2019, at 10:28 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I think one important consideration to make is the levels of ZDDP is the
> oil used.  In general, these levels have been going down over time and with
> each new standard due to their negative impact on catalyst systems and new
> engine designs not needed them.  All our older engines, including the 61x
> diesels, need ZDDP to properly lubrication due to the design of their
> valvetrains.
> 
> While Mobil 1 was an excellent choice when Dr Booth was still around, I'd
> suggest that its possibly changed significantly over the years and might
> not be appropriate in all viscosities anymore.  I'm not stating this as
> fact, more as a warning you should be aware of.
> 
> I'm still running Rotella 15w40 in my diesels and Penn Grade in all my gas
> engines.  (Except my wife's 2011 E class which get genuine MB oil, and my
> 96 S420 when gets high-ZDDP Redline).  The standards will change again in
> 2020, so I suspect Rotella might be crossed off the list of good oils to
> use.
> 
> I've also been doing more oil analysis lately to see zinc and phosprous
> (ZDDP) levels myself without having the trust the marketing departments of
> oil companies.
> 
> Jaime
> 


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Re: [MBZ] Triggering an Oil Thread [was: Re: W123 FB Idiot]

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Maybe this makes M1 15w50 a better choice, it doesn't carry any C designation 
anymore. I think the last one was CF.
I presume it doesn't carry any C certification because the ZDDP is too high.

In a pinch we could use a motorcycle oil, those are usually high in ZDDP.
-Curt

On Tuesday, August 6, 2019, 10:29:28 AM EDT, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 I think one important consideration to make is the levels of ZDDP is the
oil used.  In general, these levels have been going down over time and with
each new standard due to their negative impact on catalyst systems and new
engine designs not needed them.  All our older engines, including the 61x
diesels, need ZDDP to properly lubrication due to the design of their
valvetrains.

While Mobil 1 was an excellent choice when Dr Booth was still around, I'd
suggest that its possibly changed significantly over the years and might
not be appropriate in all viscosities anymore.  I'm not stating this as
fact, more as a warning you should be aware of.

I'm still running Rotella 15w40 in my diesels and Penn Grade in all my gas
engines.  (Except my wife's 2011 E class which get genuine MB oil, and my
96 S420 when gets high-ZDDP Redline).  The standards will change again in
2020, so I suspect Rotella might be crossed off the list of good oils to
use.

I've also been doing more oil analysis lately to see zinc and phosprous
(ZDDP) levels myself without having the trust the marketing departments of
oil companies.

Jaime


On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 10:22 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>  I'd say whatever you can get most easily/cheaply. If 15w50 is cheaper
> than 5w40 I'd go that way. If 5w40 is cheaper get that. Its nice that 15w50
> comes in 5qt jugs.
>
> -Curt
>
>    On Tuesday, August 6, 2019, 10:15:28 AM EDT, Dwight Giles <
> dwight.gi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  So Curt-does this mean i should use 15w50?
>
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
> On Tue, Aug 6, 2019, 10:02 AM Curt Raymond  wrote:
>
>  I don't see why not. If you're paranoid give it an extra 10-15 seconds
> before putting the engine under load.
> Remember my freezer test, the 15w50 flowed better than conventional 15w40
> in the cold.  https://youtu.be/1t-dOOnRwgU
>
> -Curt
>
>    On Monday, August 5, 2019, 9:09:21 PM EDT, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>  I used 15w50 in my 240D & 300D 2.5t when i was using them for hard
> commuting. Is the15w50 too high a viscosity  for the around town driving i
> do with the CD now that it has antique plates &  little driving?
>
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
>
> On Mon, Aug 5, 2019, 7:18 PM fmiser via Mercedes 
> wrote:
>
> > > Dwight wrote:
> >
> > > Ok Craig here goes. What weight M1 do I want to put in my 0M617
> > > 300CD? I don't drive it in the winter & only about 1k in season.
> > > When i was driving it regularly, i used 5w40  but i think that
> > > is NLA.
> >
> > I would use 15W50.  It is hard to find around here, so for a
> > number of years now I have been using Traveler (Tractor Supply
> > house brand) 15W40 bought in 5 gallon buckets.  Seems to be a
> > decent oil, and relatively low cost, so I just change it more
> > often than if it was "real" synthetic.
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Re: [MBZ] Triggering an Oil Thread [was: Re: W123 FB Idiot]

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

I think one important consideration to make is the levels of ZDDP is the
oil used.  In general, these levels have been going down over time and with
each new standard due to their negative impact on catalyst systems and new
engine designs not needed them.  All our older engines, including the 61x
diesels, need ZDDP to properly lubrication due to the design of their
valvetrains.

While Mobil 1 was an excellent choice when Dr Booth was still around, I'd
suggest that its possibly changed significantly over the years and might
not be appropriate in all viscosities anymore.  I'm not stating this as
fact, more as a warning you should be aware of.

I'm still running Rotella 15w40 in my diesels and Penn Grade in all my gas
engines.  (Except my wife's 2011 E class which get genuine MB oil, and my
96 S420 when gets high-ZDDP Redline).  The standards will change again in
2020, so I suspect Rotella might be crossed off the list of good oils to
use.

I've also been doing more oil analysis lately to see zinc and phosprous
(ZDDP) levels myself without having the trust the marketing departments of
oil companies.

Jaime


On Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 10:22 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>  I'd say whatever you can get most easily/cheaply. If 15w50 is cheaper
> than 5w40 I'd go that way. If 5w40 is cheaper get that. Its nice that 15w50
> comes in 5qt jugs.
>
> -Curt
>
> On Tuesday, August 6, 2019, 10:15:28 AM EDT, Dwight Giles <
> dwight.gi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  So Curt-does this mean i should use 15w50?
>
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
> On Tue, Aug 6, 2019, 10:02 AM Curt Raymond  wrote:
>
>  I don't see why not. If you're paranoid give it an extra 10-15 seconds
> before putting the engine under load.
> Remember my freezer test, the 15w50 flowed better than conventional 15w40
> in the cold.  https://youtu.be/1t-dOOnRwgU
>
> -Curt
>
> On Monday, August 5, 2019, 9:09:21 PM EDT, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>  I used 15w50 in my 240D & 300D 2.5t when i was using them for hard
> commuting. Is the15w50 too high a viscosity  for the around town driving i
> do with the CD now that it has antique plates &  little driving?
>
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
>
> On Mon, Aug 5, 2019, 7:18 PM fmiser via Mercedes 
> wrote:
>
> > > Dwight wrote:
> >
> > > Ok Craig here goes. What weight M1 do I want to put in my 0M617
> > > 300CD? I don't drive it in the winter & only about 1k in season.
> > > When i was driving it regularly, i used 5w40  but i think that
> > > is NLA.
> >
> > I would use 15W50.  It is hard to find around here, so for a
> > number of years now I have been using Traveler (Tractor Supply
> > house brand) 15W40 bought in 5 gallon buckets.  Seems to be a
> > decent oil, and relatively low cost, so I just change it more
> > often than if it was "real" synthetic.
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Re: [MBZ] Triggering an Oil Thread [was: Re: W123 FB Idiot]

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Correct. 15w50 is better when its hot while still flowing well in the cold.
I remember somebody (Marshall?) schooling me on this years ago. When you take 
both M1 15w50 and dino 15w40 down to 0F the dino is noticeably thicker.At room 
temperature (for cold starts) it probably doesn't matter 5w vs 15w...

-Curt

On Tuesday, August 6, 2019, 10:17:52 AM EDT, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 My (admittedly possibly faulty) recollection is that the second number 
refers to lubrication/viscosity/performance at higher temperatures

--FT

On 8/6/19 10:02 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>  I don't see why not. If you're paranoid give it an extra 10-15 seconds 
>before putting the engine under load.
> Remember my freezer test, the 15w50 flowed better than conventional 15w40 in 
> the cold.  https://youtu.be/1t-dOOnRwgU
>
> -Curt
>
>      On Monday, August 5, 2019, 9:09:21 PM EDT, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
> wrote:
>  
>  I used 15w50 in my 240D & 300D 2.5t when i was using them for hard
> commuting. Is the15w50 too high a viscosity  for the around town driving i
> do with the CD now that it has antique plates &  little driving?
>
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
>


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Re: [MBZ] Triggering an Oil Thread [was: Re: W123 FB Idiot]

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 I'd say whatever you can get most easily/cheaply. If 15w50 is cheaper than 
5w40 I'd go that way. If 5w40 is cheaper get that. Its nice that 15w50 comes in 
5qt jugs.

-Curt

On Tuesday, August 6, 2019, 10:15:28 AM EDT, Dwight Giles 
 wrote:  
 
 So Curt-does this mean i should use 15w50?

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI
On Tue, Aug 6, 2019, 10:02 AM Curt Raymond  wrote:

 I don't see why not. If you're paranoid give it an extra 10-15 seconds before 
putting the engine under load.
Remember my freezer test, the 15w50 flowed better than conventional 15w40 in 
the cold.  https://youtu.be/1t-dOOnRwgU

-Curt

On Monday, August 5, 2019, 9:09:21 PM EDT, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 I used 15w50 in my 240D & 300D 2.5t when i was using them for hard
commuting. Is the15w50 too high a viscosity  for the around town driving i
do with the CD now that it has antique plates &  little driving?

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Mon, Aug 5, 2019, 7:18 PM fmiser via Mercedes 
wrote:

> > Dwight wrote:
>
> > Ok Craig here goes. What weight M1 do I want to put in my 0M617
> > 300CD? I don't drive it in the winter & only about 1k in season.
> > When i was driving it regularly, i used 5w40  but i think that
> > is NLA.
>
> I would use 15W50.  It is hard to find around here, so for a
> number of years now I have been using Traveler (Tractor Supply
> house brand) 15W40 bought in 5 gallon buckets.  Seems to be a
> decent oil, and relatively low cost, so I just change it more
> often than if it was "real" synthetic.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Triggering an Oil Thread [was: Re: W123 FB Idiot]

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

My (admittedly possibly faulty) recollection is that the second number 
refers to lubrication/viscosity/performance at higher temperatures


--FT

On 8/6/19 10:02 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

  I don't see why not. If you're paranoid give it an extra 10-15 seconds before 
putting the engine under load.
Remember my freezer test, the 15w50 flowed better than conventional 15w40 in 
the cold.  https://youtu.be/1t-dOOnRwgU

-Curt

 On Monday, August 5, 2019, 9:09:21 PM EDT, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
 wrote:
  
  I used 15w50 in my 240D & 300D 2.5t when i was using them for hard

commuting. Is the15w50 too high a viscosity  for the around town driving i
do with the CD now that it has antique plates &  little driving?

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI




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Re: [MBZ] Triggering an Oil Thread [was: Re: W123 FB Idiot]

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

So Curt-does this mean i should use 15w50?

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Tue, Aug 6, 2019, 10:02 AM Curt Raymond  wrote:

> I don't see why not. If you're paranoid give it an extra 10-15 seconds
> before putting the engine under load.
>
> Remember my freezer test, the 15w50 flowed better than conventional 15w40
> in the cold. https://youtu.be/1t-dOOnRwgU
>
>
> -Curt
>
> On Monday, August 5, 2019, 9:09:21 PM EDT, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>
> I used 15w50 in my 240D & 300D 2.5t when i was using them for hard
> commuting. Is the15w50 too high a viscosity  for the around town driving i
> do with the CD now that it has antique plates &  little driving?
>
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
>
> On Mon, Aug 5, 2019, 7:18 PM fmiser via Mercedes 
> wrote:
>
> > > Dwight wrote:
> >
> > > Ok Craig here goes. What weight M1 do I want to put in my 0M617
> > > 300CD? I don't drive it in the winter & only about 1k in season.
> > > When i was driving it regularly, i used 5w40  but i think that
> > > is NLA.
> >
> > I would use 15W50.  It is hard to find around here, so for a
> > number of years now I have been using Traveler (Tractor Supply
> > house brand) 15W40 bought in 5 gallon buckets.  Seems to be a
> > decent oil, and relatively low cost, so I just change it more
> > often than if it was "real" synthetic.
> >
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[MBZ] OT: Cooling w/o electricity

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

TECHNOLOGY'Major innovation' cools without electricity — study


Published: Tuesday, August 6, 2019[image: Radiative cooling technology.
Photo credit: University at Buffalo.]

Researchers at the University at Buffalo School of Engineering and Applied
Sciences say they have developed a system to cool its surroundings by
absorbing heat from the air. University at Buffalo.

As cities worldwide grapple with record-breaking heat waves, a team of
engineers has created a device that helps cool buildings without consuming
electricity.

Designed specifically for urban areas, the system absorbs heat from the air
and beams thermal emissions back through the Earth's atmosphere and into
outer space. The device consists of two main components: a solar "shelter,"
which blocks incoming sunlight and directs emissions, and an
aluminum/polymer film, which is a thermal emitter, that sits within a small
box.

The research targets one of the most difficult challenges in the energy
world — how to curb greenhouse gas emissions as cooling demand skyrockets.
It also aims to advance earlier research of similar cooling devices that
relied on open space — which is not a viable option in many of the biggest
emission sources: cities.

Qiaoqiang Gan, an associate professor of electrical engineering at the
University of Buffalo, said his team has successfully shaped the beam of
thermal radiation. This is important especially in dense metropolitan
areas, he said, where buildings often block access to the sky.

"We developed a cone system which is very similar to the headlights of the
car," Gan said. "We have a beam-shaping system in the headlights, so we
also developed a similar system for thermal radiation."

Gan and researchers from the University of Buffalo; the University of
Wisconsin, Madison; and King Abdullah University of Science and Technology
in Thuwal, Saudi Arabia, conducted tests at their respective colleges.
Crowded areas with multiple tall buildings were selected to test the
device's cooling performance.

Their research  was
published this week in *Nature Sustainability* and was partially funded by
the National Science Foundation.

During the day, the heat-emanating film and solar shelter helped reduce the
temperature of a small, enclosed space by a maximum of roughly 6 degrees
Celsius. Without the beaming system, cooling with a regular,
omnidirectional system was closer to 2 C, Gan said.

With their system at night, the number rose to about 11 C.

The shelter has four outward slanting walls and an inverted square cone
inside them. The shape of the walls and cone intentionally directs heat
emitted by the polymer/metal film back to the sky, according to a
university news release. The aluminum was chosen to reflect sunlight, and
the polymer is what absorbs and dissipates heat from the air.

Haomin Song, a University of Buffalo assistant professor of research in
electrical engineering, said unlike during the night — when thermal
emissions just go out — radiative cooling in the day is a real challenge.

"In this situation, you need to find strategies to prevent rooftops from
heating up," Song said in the news release. "You also need to find emissive
materials that don't absorb solar energy. Our system addresses these
challenges."

Other groups, Gan said, have also developed radiative cooling systems, but
most have focused on advanced materials. But because those outdoor tests
rely on open space, he added, they would "degrade significantly" in a
crowded location.

The box and solar shelter together measure 10 inches wide, 10 inches long
and roughly 18 inches tall. In order to cool a building, multiple units
would need to be installed on a rooftop.

The system also has a low cost, Gan said, and is nearing the
commercialization process.

Gan and Zongfu Yu, an associate professor at the University of Wisconsin,
Madison, who also worked on the system, co-founded a company called Sunny
Clean Water LLC and have filed for a patent. However, business development
is out of the control of researchers, Gan said, and he is not sure when the
technology will be commercialized.

He said that because the system consumes no electricity, it has a very low
carbon emission and is "environmentally benign technology."

"This is a wonderful, major innovation," Gan said.

The study is part of a body of research targeting new materials and methods
to cool without electricity. Last year, for example, scientists unveiled a
cooling "paint" that could potentially slash air conditioning use (
*Greenwire* , Oct. 1,
2018). Last year, electricity use for cooling the interior buildings in the
U.S. residential and commercial sectors equaled about 9% of total
electricity consumption, according to the Department of Energy.
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Re: [MBZ] Triggering an Oil Thread [was: Re: W123 FB Idiot]

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On August 6, 2019 at 9:48 AM Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> Chemical name CAS-No.   Concentration
> 
> lubricating oils (petroleum) 
> C20-50, hydrotreated72623-87-1 70 - 90 %

Sounds like it contains 70% group III oils, which have been advertised as full 
synthetic since the Castrol mess of the 1990s.

But that doesn't say anything about its performance, although we might assume 
it'll suffer heat damage more readily than group IV.

For most of my cars, I don't care. Any M1 product of the appropriate viscosity 
is plenty good enough for any of my normally aspirated cars, but for some 
engines, like the 1977 Saab and the 1986 2.3-15 I like the zinc anti wear 
additives in M1 15w-50.
The turbo diesels aren't that demanding, a G-III oil designed for turbo diesels 
is fine.

It's the LE2 engine Cruze that makes me worry about what's in my oil. 
140hp/liter and direct injection makes for an unfriendly environment for oil. 
It has to hold up to a 15-20lb boost turbo environment while experiencing 
significant gasoline+alcohol fuel dilution.
Here in town, I can get 89 octane alcohol free, but it costs me 50-70 cents a 
gallon more than 93 octane top tier E10, and my Cruze is tuned to run on 93 so 
there would be a lot of knock retard on 89. 
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Triggering an Oil Thread [was: Re: W123 FB Idiot]

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 I don't see why not. If you're paranoid give it an extra 10-15 seconds before 
putting the engine under load.
Remember my freezer test, the 15w50 flowed better than conventional 15w40 in 
the cold.  https://youtu.be/1t-dOOnRwgU

-Curt

On Monday, August 5, 2019, 9:09:21 PM EDT, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 I used 15w50 in my 240D & 300D 2.5t when i was using them for hard
commuting. Is the15w50 too high a viscosity  for the around town driving i
do with the CD now that it has antique plates &  little driving?

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Mon, Aug 5, 2019, 7:18 PM fmiser via Mercedes 
wrote:

> > Dwight wrote:
>
> > Ok Craig here goes. What weight M1 do I want to put in my 0M617
> > 300CD? I don't drive it in the winter & only about 1k in season.
> > When i was driving it regularly, i used 5w40  but i think that
> > is NLA.
>
> I would use 15W50.  It is hard to find around here, so for a
> number of years now I have been using Traveler (Tractor Supply
> house brand) 15W40 bought in 5 gallon buckets.  Seems to be a
> decent oil, and relatively low cost, so I just change it more
> often than if it was "real" synthetic.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Triggering an Oil Thread [was: Re: W123 FB Idiot]

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Tue, 6 Aug 2019 08:46:56 -0400 (EDT) Mitch Haley via Mercedes
 wrote:

> A lot of it's 1-10% Group IV.
> 0W40 is 10-20%
> 0W20 EP and AP are 60-70%, which implies that they use the same base
> stock as 30 years ago. I wish Amsoil would list the base stock in the
> MSDS for their "100% synthetic" oils.

I downloaded some information a year ago on Petro Canada Duron synthetic
oils.

The attached Safety Data Sheet says,

Chemical name CAS-No.   Concentration

lubricating oils (petroleum) 
C20-50, hydrotreated72623-87-1 70 - 90 %
neutral oil-based

lubricating oils (petroleum)
C15-30, hydrotreated72623-86-0 30 - 50 %
neutral oil-based

lubricating oils (petroleum)
C20-50, hydrotreated72623-85-9 30 - 50 %
neutral oil-based, high viscosity

Zinc alkyldithiophosphate   1 - 3 %


What does that say about its performance?

The SDS says, "It is suitable also for passenger car and light truck
diesel engines, and spark ignition engines."

Of course, where to get it is a problem ...


Craig


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Re: [MBZ] W123 FB Idiot(s)

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

A winner indeed!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 3, 2019, at 9:26 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Bingo!  DING DING DING! We have a winner!
> 
> Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote on 8/2/19 6:00 PM:
>> Is this snowflake disease?
>> Acting like an asshat is protected conduct, but telling somebody to quit 
>> acting like an asshat is considered a personal attack, and personal attacks 
>> are not permissible?
>> 
>> Mitch.
> 
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[MBZ] No Smoking!

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Ooops!

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/29288/russian-ammo-depot-has-been-burning-for-hours-after-exploding-in-giant-shockwave

This is amazing to watch. You can see the shock waves from the blasts in some 
of the videos.

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