[MBZ] A project for somebody

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/819818092180398/


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[MBZ] OT photos from inside a Soviet Typhoon-class sub

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

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Re: [MBZ] Time for a good old oil discussion

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 For a 61x with a block heater or a car that isn't driven in cold weather any 
conventional 15w40 is probably as good as anything. Soot load won't let you run 
a 61x on an extended oil change interval.
A 60x engine is a whole different beast. I had my '85 190D up to, IIRC 12,000 
miles with oil analysis that still looked fine. I changed it anyway at that 
point, I didn't want to push my luck and I could tell that the car sounded a 
little different.
Which reminds me, I've never sent in a sample of the 2015 Jetta, probably 
should, just for giggles. Interestingly it REQUIRES 5w30. No other oil weight 
meets the VW standard...

-Curt

On Saturday, October 31, 2020, 7:23:05 PM EDT, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Dino.

Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:

> Delo synthetic or Dino?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Oct 31, 2020, at 2:47 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> From what I remember from Herr Doktor Booth, at some point the M1
>> changed from real "full synthetic" to some cheaper-to-produce
>> hydrocracked base stock that was still legally allowed to be called
>> "full synthetic" based on a court case involving Castrol.
>> 
>> The M1 oils that I used in OM617s was 15W-50, 5W-40 "Turbo Diesel
>> Truck," and 0W-40 which I used once but felt there was too much valve
>> and cam noise with that one.
>> 
>> These days I use Chevron Delo, and don't drive the diesels much in the
>> wintertime due to road salt.
>> 
>> Allan
>> 
>> 
>> Dwight Giles via Mercedes  writes:
>> 
>>> Yes that was my experience with M1 15w-50 in my 79 240D.
>>> 
>>> Dwight Giles Jr.
>>> Wickford RI
>>> 
 On Fri, Oct 30, 2020, 11:27 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
 wrote:
 
 Back when I was driving OM617 engines, the switch from dino oil to Mobil 1
 made a HUGE difference in starting them in under 20F days - down to 0F once
 - at work without a plug for an engine heater. I don't know that Mobil !
 was truly full synthetic, but the difference was remarkable. IIRC, it was
 15W-50, or maybe 40.
 
 On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 7:56 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
> Up till recently most of the diesel synthetic oils have been 5w40.
> 15W40 was always dino oil.  Now days there are starting to be
> supposedly  full synthetic 15w40 diesel oils out.  Rotella now has T6 in
> 15w40 and I now see Delvac Extreme 15w40 at Walmart for under $20 per
> gallon.  Anybody know anything about all this or have opinions?  In a
> cold weather setting, we sometimes get down to 0 or even below in OK but
> most of the time maybe low teens first thing in the morning.  In those
> conditions dino 15w40 might be thick but when talking about full
> synthetic, what sort of different would there be between 5w and 15w full
> synthetic.  I am assuming a full synthetic 15w would flow better and
> faster in the cold than a dino 15w? And, would a 15w really be a full
> synthetic?  From what I have researched the 15w40 might be more sheer
> stable and not burn off as quickly.
>> 

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Re: [MBZ] Time for a good old oil discussion

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Dino.

Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:

> Delo synthetic or Dino?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Oct 31, 2020, at 2:47 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> From what I remember from Herr Doktor Booth, at some point the M1
>> changed from real "full synthetic" to some cheaper-to-produce
>> hydrocracked base stock that was still legally allowed to be called
>> "full synthetic" based on a court case involving Castrol.
>> 
>> The M1 oils that I used in OM617s was 15W-50, 5W-40 "Turbo Diesel
>> Truck," and 0W-40 which I used once but felt there was too much valve
>> and cam noise with that one.
>> 
>> These days I use Chevron Delo, and don't drive the diesels much in the
>> wintertime due to road salt.
>> 
>> Allan
>> 
>> 
>> Dwight Giles via Mercedes  writes:
>> 
>>> Yes that was my experience with M1 15w-50 in my 79 240D.
>>> 
>>> Dwight Giles Jr.
>>> Wickford RI
>>> 
 On Fri, Oct 30, 2020, 11:27 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
 wrote:
 
 Back when I was driving OM617 engines, the switch from dino oil to Mobil 1
 made a HUGE difference in starting them in under 20F days - down to 0F once
 - at work without a plug for an engine heater. I don't know that Mobil !
 was truly full synthetic, but the difference was remarkable. IIRC, it was
 15W-50, or maybe 40.
 
 On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 7:56 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
> Up till recently most of the diesel synthetic oils have been 5w40.
> 15W40 was always dino oil.  Now days there are starting to be
> supposedly  full synthetic 15w40 diesel oils out.  Rotella now has T6 in
> 15w40 and I now see Delvac Extreme 15w40 at Walmart for under $20 per
> gallon.  Anybody know anything about all this or have opinions?  In a
> cold weather setting, we sometimes get down to 0 or even below in OK but
> most of the time maybe low teens first thing in the morning.   In those
> conditions dino 15w40 might be thick but when talking about full
> synthetic, what sort of different would there be between 5w and 15w full
> synthetic.  I am assuming a full synthetic 15w would flow better and
> faster in the cold than a dino 15w? And, would a 15w really be a full
> synthetic?  From what I have researched the 15w40 might be more sheer
> stable and not burn off as quickly.
>> 

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Re: [MBZ] OT Sleep Apnea and CPAp machines

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

> I wonder - how did Neanderthals manage their >apnea?  Or did they just die 
> young in their sleep?


Well, they weren't morbidly obese for starters. They had limited access to 
quick carbohydrates (an occasional beehive), and no access to refined grains or 
high fructose corn syrup. So there's that. Take into consideration they 
probably had a life expectancy of say 45 or 50 and there you go.


Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Valvoline MaxLife 6qt $25

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Bezos guarantees it!

--FT
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> On Oct 31, 2020, at 3:27 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 

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Re: [MBZ] Time for a good old oil discussion

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

How do you tell what percentage is true synthetic from looking at the msds?

On 10/31/2020 4:06 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

On 2020-10-31 15:46, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

From what I remember from Herr Doktor Booth, at some point the M1
changed from real "full synthetic" to some cheaper-to-produce
hydrocracked base stock that was still legally allowed to be called
"full synthetic" based on a court case involving Castrol.


Last I checked the MSDS, 0W20 EP and AP were still around 2/3-3/4 true 
synthetic, and some others were around 20%, most of them were closer 
to 10%. You can download the MSDS at Mobil's web site.


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Re: [MBZ] OT Sleep Apnea and CPAp machines

[Clay via Mercedes]

Neaderthals had much better sinus cavities and breathing abilities.  Current 
edition humans are made for tropical or temperate climes where access to 
copious amounts of food required more energy than hopping into a car and 
trolling the aisles.  

clay 

“I think it’s time we stopped  our cringing embarrassment about our history, 
about our traditions, and about our culture, and we stop this general bout of 
self-recrimination and wetness.”

B. Johnson
01/09/2020

> On Oct 31, 2020, at 8:41 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> So complicated.  I wonder - how did Neanderthals manage their apnea?  Or
> did they just die young in their sleep?
> 
> On Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 10:42 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


clay 

“I think it’s time we stopped  our cringing embarrassment about our history, 
about our traditions, and about our culture, and we stop this general bout of 
self-recrimination and wetness.”

B. Johnson
01/09/2020


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Re: [MBZ] Time for a good old oil discussion

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

I use 0w-40 in my 2005 E320.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Sat, Oct 31, 2020, 5:01 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I used both 15w50 and 5w40 Mobil 1 in my 616 cars. Both were okay, 5w40
> was better for cold starts. I agree on the lifter noise with 0w40, it also
> leaked out way faster.
>
> Curt
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>
>   On Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 3:47 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes<
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:   From what I remember from Herr Doktor
> Booth, at some point the M1
> changed from real "full synthetic" to some cheaper-to-produce
> hydrocracked base stock that was still legally allowed to be called
> "full synthetic" based on a court case involving Castrol.
>
> The M1 oils that I used in OM617s was 15W-50, 5W-40 "Turbo Diesel
> Truck," and 0W-40 which I used once but felt there was too much valve
> and cam noise with that one.
>
> These days I use Chevron Delo, and don't drive the diesels much in the
> wintertime due to road salt.
>
> Allan
>
>
> Dwight Giles via Mercedes  writes:
>
> > Yes that was my experience with M1 15w-50 in my 79 240D.
> >
> > Dwight Giles Jr.
> > Wickford RI
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 30, 2020, 11:27 PM OK Don via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Back when I was driving OM617 engines, the switch from dino oil to
> Mobil 1
> >> made a HUGE difference in starting them in under 20F days - down to 0F
> once
> >> - at work without a plug for an engine heater. I don't know that Mobil !
> >> was truly full synthetic, but the difference was remarkable. IIRC, it
> was
> >> 15W-50, or maybe 40.
> >>
> >> On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 7:56 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Up till recently most of the diesel synthetic oils have been 5w40.
> >> > 15W40 was always dino oil.  Now days there are starting to be
> >> > supposedly  full synthetic 15w40 diesel oils out.  Rotella now has T6
> in
> >> > 15w40 and I now see Delvac Extreme 15w40 at Walmart for under $20 per
> >> > gallon.  Anybody know anything about all this or have opinions?  In a
> >> > cold weather setting, we sometimes get down to 0 or even below in OK
> but
> >> > most of the time maybe low teens first thing in the morning.  In those
> >> > conditions dino 15w40 might be thick but when talking about full
> >> > synthetic, what sort of different would there be between 5w and 15w
> full
> >> > synthetic.  I am assuming a full synthetic 15w would flow better and
> >> > faster in the cold than a dino 15w? And, would a 15w really be a full
> >> > synthetic?  From what I have researched the 15w40 might be more sheer
> >> > stable and not burn off as quickly.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Time for a good old oil discussion

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

On 2020-10-31 15:46, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

From what I remember from Herr Doktor Booth, at some point the M1
changed from real "full synthetic" to some cheaper-to-produce
hydrocracked base stock that was still legally allowed to be called
"full synthetic" based on a court case involving Castrol.


Last I checked the MSDS, 0W20 EP and AP were still around 2/3-3/4 true 
synthetic, and some others were around 20%, most of them were closer to 
10%. You can download the MSDS at Mobil's web site.


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Re: [MBZ] Time for a good old oil discussion

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Delo synthetic or Dino?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 31, 2020, at 2:47 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> From what I remember from Herr Doktor Booth, at some point the M1
> changed from real "full synthetic" to some cheaper-to-produce
> hydrocracked base stock that was still legally allowed to be called
> "full synthetic" based on a court case involving Castrol.
> 
> The M1 oils that I used in OM617s was 15W-50, 5W-40 "Turbo Diesel
> Truck," and 0W-40 which I used once but felt there was too much valve
> and cam noise with that one.
> 
> These days I use Chevron Delo, and don't drive the diesels much in the
> wintertime due to road salt.
> 
> Allan
> 
> 
> Dwight Giles via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> Yes that was my experience with M1 15w-50 in my 79 240D.
>> 
>> Dwight Giles Jr.
>> Wickford RI
>> 
>>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2020, 11:27 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Back when I was driving OM617 engines, the switch from dino oil to Mobil 1
>>> made a HUGE difference in starting them in under 20F days - down to 0F once
>>> - at work without a plug for an engine heater. I don't know that Mobil !
>>> was truly full synthetic, but the difference was remarkable. IIRC, it was
>>> 15W-50, or maybe 40.
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 7:56 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 Up till recently most of the diesel synthetic oils have been 5w40.
 15W40 was always dino oil.  Now days there are starting to be
 supposedly  full synthetic 15w40 diesel oils out.  Rotella now has T6 in
 15w40 and I now see Delvac Extreme 15w40 at Walmart for under $20 per
 gallon.  Anybody know anything about all this or have opinions?  In a
 cold weather setting, we sometimes get down to 0 or even below in OK but
 most of the time maybe low teens first thing in the morning.   In those
 conditions dino 15w40 might be thick but when talking about full
 synthetic, what sort of different would there be between 5w and 15w full
 synthetic.  I am assuming a full synthetic 15w would flow better and
 faster in the cold than a dino 15w? And, would a 15w really be a full
 synthetic?  From what I have researched the 15w40 might be more sheer
 stable and not burn off as quickly.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Time for a good old oil discussion

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I used both 15w50 and 5w40 Mobil 1 in my 616 cars. Both were okay, 5w40 was 
better for cold starts. I agree on the lifter noise with 0w40, it also leaked 
out way faster.

Curt

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  On Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 3:47 PM, Allan Streib via 
Mercedes wrote:   From what I remember from Herr Doktor 
Booth, at some point the M1
changed from real "full synthetic" to some cheaper-to-produce
hydrocracked base stock that was still legally allowed to be called
"full synthetic" based on a court case involving Castrol.

The M1 oils that I used in OM617s was 15W-50, 5W-40 "Turbo Diesel
Truck," and 0W-40 which I used once but felt there was too much valve
and cam noise with that one.

These days I use Chevron Delo, and don't drive the diesels much in the
wintertime due to road salt.

Allan


Dwight Giles via Mercedes  writes:

> Yes that was my experience with M1 15w-50 in my 79 240D.
>
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
>
> On Fri, Oct 30, 2020, 11:27 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
> wrote:
>
>> Back when I was driving OM617 engines, the switch from dino oil to Mobil 1
>> made a HUGE difference in starting them in under 20F days - down to 0F once
>> - at work without a plug for an engine heater. I don't know that Mobil !
>> was truly full synthetic, but the difference was remarkable. IIRC, it was
>> 15W-50, or maybe 40.
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 7:56 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Up till recently most of the diesel synthetic oils have been 5w40.
>> > 15W40 was always dino oil.  Now days there are starting to be
>> > supposedly  full synthetic 15w40 diesel oils out.  Rotella now has T6 in
>> > 15w40 and I now see Delvac Extreme 15w40 at Walmart for under $20 per
>> > gallon.  Anybody know anything about all this or have opinions?  In a
>> > cold weather setting, we sometimes get down to 0 or even below in OK but
>> > most of the time maybe low teens first thing in the morning.  In those
>> > conditions dino 15w40 might be thick but when talking about full
>> > synthetic, what sort of different would there be between 5w and 15w full
>> > synthetic.  I am assuming a full synthetic 15w would flow better and
>> > faster in the cold than a dino 15w? And, would a 15w really be a full
>> > synthetic?  From what I have researched the 15w40 might be more sheer
>> > stable and not burn off as quickly.

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Re: [MBZ] El benzo

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Unfortunately, the paint scheme layout detracts from the new body line of
the changes. Rather than enhance them.

With a carefully chosen solid color, the Merc-El Camino conversion would be
much more appealing to the eye.

Was this a coupe body to start with?

On Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 9:39 AM Max Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I'd drive that.  Needs a diesel engine, hood stack, bagged.
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
>
> Oct 30, 2020 7:11:48 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes :
>
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Time for a good old oil discussion

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

>From what I remember from Herr Doktor Booth, at some point the M1
changed from real "full synthetic" to some cheaper-to-produce
hydrocracked base stock that was still legally allowed to be called
"full synthetic" based on a court case involving Castrol.

The M1 oils that I used in OM617s was 15W-50, 5W-40 "Turbo Diesel
Truck," and 0W-40 which I used once but felt there was too much valve
and cam noise with that one.

These days I use Chevron Delo, and don't drive the diesels much in the
wintertime due to road salt.

Allan


Dwight Giles via Mercedes  writes:

> Yes that was my experience with M1 15w-50 in my 79 240D.
>
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
>
> On Fri, Oct 30, 2020, 11:27 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
> wrote:
>
>> Back when I was driving OM617 engines, the switch from dino oil to Mobil 1
>> made a HUGE difference in starting them in under 20F days - down to 0F once
>> - at work without a plug for an engine heater. I don't know that Mobil !
>> was truly full synthetic, but the difference was remarkable. IIRC, it was
>> 15W-50, or maybe 40.
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 7:56 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Up till recently most of the diesel synthetic oils have been 5w40.
>> > 15W40 was always dino oil.  Now days there are starting to be
>> > supposedly  full synthetic 15w40 diesel oils out.  Rotella now has T6 in
>> > 15w40 and I now see Delvac Extreme 15w40 at Walmart for under $20 per
>> > gallon.  Anybody know anything about all this or have opinions?  In a
>> > cold weather setting, we sometimes get down to 0 or even below in OK but
>> > most of the time maybe low teens first thing in the morning.   In those
>> > conditions dino 15w40 might be thick but when talking about full
>> > synthetic, what sort of different would there be between 5w and 15w full
>> > synthetic.  I am assuming a full synthetic 15w would flow better and
>> > faster in the cold than a dino 15w? And, would a 15w really be a full
>> > synthetic?  From what I have researched the 15w40 might be more sheer
>> > stable and not burn off as quickly.

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Re: [MBZ] Valvoline MaxLife 6qt $25

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

This is really not that much cheaper than getting the gallon jugs at Walmart. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 31, 2020, at 2:27 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> With all the problems of counterfeits on Amazon, how does one know this
> stuff is the real thing?
> 
> Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> On Woot (Amazon clearance stuff)
>> That’s a good price, Advance Auto with coupons and discounts is a bit more 
>> than that for the 5qt jug. For 722.6 trannies. 
>> 
>> 
>> https://www.woot.com/gp/r.html?C=23KGTKER8FVTP=JL063RI17R8J=urn:rtn:msg:20201031060902f75cd92049d04c37820cf7ab4ff0p0na=2O85J4GNZ7XR1=C=https%3A%2F%2Ftools.woot.com%2Foffers%2Fvalvoline-automatic-transmission-fluid%3Futm_campaign%3DDaily%2BDigest%2B31%2B10%2B20%26ref%3Deml%26utm_source%3DDaily%2BDigest%26utm_medium%3Demail%26utm_term%3DRec_1%26utm_content%3DSubheader-B%26ref_%3Dpe_3185080_547237600=QB0UAWADLA1CI2VJ1Y67CXIAYTMA_=pe_3185080_547237600
>> 
>> Sorry for the long link was in an email
>> 
>> --FT
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Re: [MBZ] Valvoline MaxLife 6qt $25

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

With all the problems of counterfeits on Amazon, how does one know this
stuff is the real thing?

Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes  writes:

> On Woot (Amazon clearance stuff)
> That’s a good price, Advance Auto with coupons and discounts is a bit more 
> than that for the 5qt jug. For 722.6 trannies. 
>
>
> https://www.woot.com/gp/r.html?C=23KGTKER8FVTP=JL063RI17R8J=urn:rtn:msg:20201031060902f75cd92049d04c37820cf7ab4ff0p0na=2O85J4GNZ7XR1=C=https%3A%2F%2Ftools.woot.com%2Foffers%2Fvalvoline-automatic-transmission-fluid%3Futm_campaign%3DDaily%2BDigest%2B31%2B10%2B20%26ref%3Deml%26utm_source%3DDaily%2BDigest%26utm_medium%3Demail%26utm_term%3DRec_1%26utm_content%3DSubheader-B%26ref_%3Dpe_3185080_547237600=QB0UAWADLA1CI2VJ1Y67CXIAYTMA_=pe_3185080_547237600
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> Sorry for the long link was in an email
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Re: [MBZ] EXTRAORDINARILY rare Cote d'Azur Light Blue Metallic 2017 Mercedes Benz Maybach S650 Cabriolet Convertible

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

dude that is a rounding error on my accounts

--FT

On 10/31/20 3:17 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

Floyd Thursby via Mercedes  writes:


https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/3428637003891199

2017 Mercedes-Benz S-Class
$214,299
$3,985/month estimate

   ^
   Is that the depreciation?

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] EXTRAORDINARILY rare Cote d'Azur Light Blue Metallic 2017 Mercedes Benz Maybach S650 Cabriolet Convertible

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Floyd Thursby via Mercedes  writes:

> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/3428637003891199
>
> 2017 Mercedes-Benz S-Class
> $214,299
> $3,985/month estimate
  ^
  Is that the depreciation? 

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] Time for a good old oil discussion

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Yes that was my experience with M1 15w-50 in my 79 240D.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Fri, Oct 30, 2020, 11:27 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Back when I was driving OM617 engines, the switch from dino oil to Mobil 1
> made a HUGE difference in starting them in under 20F days - down to 0F once
> - at work without a plug for an engine heater. I don't know that Mobil !
> was truly full synthetic, but the difference was remarkable. IIRC, it was
> 15W-50, or maybe 40.
>
> On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 7:56 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Up till recently most of the diesel synthetic oils have been 5w40.
> > 15W40 was always dino oil.  Now days there are starting to be
> > supposedly  full synthetic 15w40 diesel oils out.  Rotella now has T6 in
> > 15w40 and I now see Delvac Extreme 15w40 at Walmart for under $20 per
> > gallon.  Anybody know anything about all this or have opinions?  In a
> > cold weather setting, we sometimes get down to 0 or even below in OK but
> > most of the time maybe low teens first thing in the morning.   In those
> > conditions dino 15w40 might be thick but when talking about full
> > synthetic, what sort of different would there be between 5w and 15w full
> > synthetic.  I am assuming a full synthetic 15w would flow better and
> > faster in the cold than a dino 15w? And, would a 15w really be a full
> > synthetic?  From what I have researched the 15w40 might be more sheer
> > stable and not burn off as quickly.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] There is an illegal drug problem in my area

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*Fuel type: Gasoline 15.0 MPG city · 19.0 MPG highway · 17.0 MPG combine*

This is why Bluetec SUVs are so hard to find and expensive when you do find
one.  I average mid 30s mpg but got 41 on a trip that was 90 percent at
highway speeds, with diesel fuel selling at $2.25/gallon.

On Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 10:45 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
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> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2733500283644791
>
> 1999 Mercedes-Benz M-Class ML 320 Sport Utility 4D
> $2,000
> Vehicles 
> Listed 3 days ago in Johns Island, SC
> 
>
>
> About This Vehicle…
>
> Driven 188,317 miles
> Automatic transmission
> Exterior color: Silver · Interior color: Grey
> Fuel type: Gasoline
> 15.0 MPG city · 19.0 MPG highway · 17.0 MPG combined
>
>
> Seller's description…
>
> Runs great, drives fine, shifts smooth. AWD with a low range option.
> Heat works. New upper and lower control arm and tie rod on the drivers
> side. Has factory 7 disc CD player. Has a sunroof. Needs a new battery,
> new AC condenser, one valve cover gasket, may need new rack and pinion,
> and a new bumper (was wrecked into a pole). Funciona y conduce bien, la
> transmisión es buena. AWD con opción de rango reducido. El calor
> funciona. Nuevo brazo de control superior e inferior y barra de
> acoplamiento en el lado del conductor. Tiene reproductor de CD de 7
> discos de fábrica. Tiene techo corredizo. Necesita una batería nueva, un
> condensador de CA nuevo, una junta de tapa de válvula, es posible que
> necesite una estante y un piñón nuevos y un parachoques nuevo (se rompió
> en un poste).
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Re: [MBZ] OT Sleep Apnea and CPAp machines

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

So complicated.  I wonder - how did Neanderthals manage their apnea?  Or
did they just die young in their sleep?

On Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 10:42 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
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> On 2020-10-30 22:04, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > My nostrils got really chafed using those "pillows" several years back.
> > Has their design improved?
>
> I was fitted for the small/medium sized pillows a couple of years ago.
> It was a Fisher-Paykel model with minimal head straps that I'd dislodge
> rolling around in my sleep, and the nasal openings were small enough to
> feel like it was restricting airflow, so I gave up on them after a
> couple of nights.
>
> IIRC, the goal of CPAP is to get the events down under ten per hour.
> Is twelve even considered a treatable problem?
> I was 45 in my sleep study.
>
> What was her minimum oxygen level in the sleep study, does she need
> treatment to get her pulse ox up?
>
> A pulse oximeter that remembers a night's readings is handy.
> It looks like the recording oximeters are bluetooth now, and your cell
> phone does the recording.
> But it might be difficult to run an app on a smartphone if you're both
> blind.
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] El benzo

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

I'd drive that.  Needs a diesel engine, hood stack, bagged.
Max Dillon
Charleston SC

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Re: [MBZ] EXTRAORDINARILY rare Cote d'Azur Light Blue Metallic 2017 Mercedes Benz Maybach S650 Cabriolet Convertible

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

It's a Mayback dude you cool

Basically a tarted-up S65 roadster or whatever they were called, and the 
wheels are fugly


--FT

On 10/31/20 11:09 AM, Jim Cathey wrote:

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/3428637003891199


Please give me $200+k for this car.  I have supplied many pictures
of the nose and the effing bling headlights, but I can't be bothered to
show even ONE picture of the interior, or the engine.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] you don't see many of these -- 1993 BMW 850

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

By the end of the 1990s resale value on the BMW V12s was bad, very bad.
I have no idea if people have figured out how to keep them running 
economically or if prices have recovered any.

But I'm sure an 850 is more desirable than a 750.
Mitch.

On 2020-10-31 10:00, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:

I always thought these were pretty cool, no idea if that price is
realistic but probably unless it is really in bad shape running-wise



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Re: [MBZ] EXTRAORDINARILY rare Cote d'Azur Light Blue Metallic 2017 Mercedes Benz Maybach S650 Cabriolet Convertible

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/3428637003891199 
> 

Please give me $200+k for this car.  I have supplied many pictures
of the nose and the effing bling headlights, but I can't be bothered to
show even ONE picture of the interior, or the engine.

-- Jim

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[MBZ] you don't see many of these -- 1993 BMW 850

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I always thought these were pretty cool, no idea if that price is 
realistic but probably unless it is really in bad shape running-wise


https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/776344936277795

1993 BMW
$13,000
Vehicles 
Listed 6 days ago in Richmond Hill, GA 




   About This Vehicle…

Driven 105,000 miles
Automatic transmission
Exterior color: Burgundy · Interior color: Grey


   Seller's description…

This 1993 BMW 850 is in working order but will need a car enthusiast to 
give a little more TLC. Contact for more info on what work has been done 
to the car and what our mechanic suggests.


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[MBZ] Crackalicious 560SEC $15k

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

It does look half nice

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/387888219006371/

1991 Mercedes-Benz 560SEC
$15,000
Vehicles 
Listed a day ago in Piedmont, SC 




   About This Vehicle…

Driven 108,000 miles
Automatic transmission
Exterior color: Silver · Interior color: Black
Fuel type: Gasoline


   Seller's description…

91 mercedes 560sec 108k miles. Listed for my brother. Serious inquiries 
864-five nine zero - 4394


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Re: [MBZ] Damn

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

On 2020-10-31 10:02, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:

yeah saw that.  bummer.  He was the best Bond and a funny guy too


You have the manners of a goat.
And you smell like a dung heap.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbvbIN0nN7A

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[MBZ] EXTRAORDINARILY rare Cote d'Azur Light Blue Metallic 2017 Mercedes Benz Maybach S650 Cabriolet Convertible

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I had no idea...

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/3428637003891199

2017 Mercedes-Benz S-Class
$214,299
$3,985/month estimate
Customize Estimate
Vehicles 
Dealership· Listed 2 days ago in Orlando, FL 




   About This Vehicle…

Driven 20,204 miles
Automatic transmission
Exterior color: Blue · Interior color: White
VIN: WDDXK7KBXHA027606
Fuel type: Gasoline


   Seller's description…

Up for sale is this EXTRAORDINARILY rare Cote d'Azur Light Blue Metallic 
2017 Mercedes Benz Maybach S650 Cabriolet Convertible with only 20,204 
original miles! This vehicle is 1 of only 300 in the entire world, and 1 
of only 75 made for the United States! Calling this vehicle "rare" is 
probably an understatement! You probably won't run into another one on 
the road, but if you do, talk about a great conversation starter! This 
vehicle is SO extravagant that it has Swarovski crystal headlights! It 
had a sticker price of nearly $340,000 when new! Needless to say, it is 
loaded with a myriad of options!


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[MBZ] What am I missing here: 2003 Mercedes-Benz SLK-Class SLK 32 AMG Roadster 2D, $12, 775

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Are these guys tripping?

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/851384472272331

2003 Mercedes-Benz SLK-Class SLK 32 AMG Roadster 2D
$12,775
Vehicles 
Listed 2 days ago in Aiken, SC 




   About This Vehicle…

Driven 114,000 miles
Automatic transmission
Exterior color: Silver · Interior color: Black
Fuel type: Gasoline
15.0 MPG city · 21.0 MPG highway · 17.0 MPG combined


   Seller's description…

Ask for Chase if you come in or call/locally owned/no 
accidents/automatic/114,000 miles/SLK32 AMG Kompressor/one of 562 in the 
U.S./excellent service history/great condition/3.2L V6 engine/349 
horsepower/leather/power seats, locks and windows/cruise control/heated 
seats/numerous items recently replaced/more information and pictures at 
wayneheathautomotive.com


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[MBZ] There is an illegal drug problem in my area

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2733500283644791

1999 Mercedes-Benz M-Class ML 320 Sport Utility 4D
$2,000
Vehicles 
Listed 3 days ago in Johns Island, SC 




   About This Vehicle…

Driven 188,317 miles
Automatic transmission
Exterior color: Silver · Interior color: Grey
Fuel type: Gasoline
15.0 MPG city · 19.0 MPG highway · 17.0 MPG combined


   Seller's description…

Runs great, drives fine, shifts smooth. AWD with a low range option. 
Heat works. New upper and lower control arm and tie rod on the drivers 
side. Has factory 7 disc CD player. Has a sunroof. Needs a new battery, 
new AC condenser, one valve cover gasket, may need new rack and pinion, 
and a new bumper (was wrecked into a pole). Funciona y conduce bien, la 
transmisión es buena. AWD con opción de rango reducido. El calor 
funciona. Nuevo brazo de control superior e inferior y barra de 
acoplamiento en el lado del conductor. Tiene reproductor de CD de 7 
discos de fábrica. Tiene techo corredizo. Necesita una batería nueva, un 
condensador de CA nuevo, una junta de tapa de válvula, es posible que 
necesite una estante y un piñón nuevos y un parachoques nuevo (se rompió 
en un poste).


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Re: [MBZ] OT Sleep Apnea and CPAp machines

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

On 2020-10-30 22:04, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

My nostrils got really chafed using those "pillows" several years back.
Has their design improved?


I was fitted for the small/medium sized pillows a couple of years ago.
It was a Fisher-Paykel model with minimal head straps that I'd dislodge 
rolling around in my sleep, and the nasal openings were small enough to 
feel like it was restricting airflow, so I gave up on them after a 
couple of nights.


IIRC, the goal of CPAP is to get the events down under ten per hour.
Is twelve even considered a treatable problem?
I was 45 in my sleep study.

What was her minimum oxygen level in the sleep study, does she need 
treatment to get her pulse ox up?


A pulse oximeter that remembers a night's readings is handy.
It looks like the recording oximeters are bluetooth now, and your cell 
phone does the recording.
But it might be difficult to run an app on a smartphone if you're both 
blind.

Mitch.

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[MBZ] abandoning project 1975 Mercedes-Benz SL-Class SL 450 Roadster 2D, $2, 600

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

buy this turd

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/812800152835530

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Re: [MBZ] These are the sorts of posts you see on a daily basis on Fakebook

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

My opinion is that if you cant at least change your own oil you really 
have no business owning one of these cars, unless you have plenty of 
money to pay a real mechanic.


On 10/31/2020 9:03 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
yeah I saw that.  I don't know, anyone who can't change his own oil 
deserves what he gets, esp going to one of those monkey lube places


--FT

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Re: [MBZ] These are the sorts of posts you see on a daily basis on Fakebook

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

The monkey lube places serve a purpose for people like my oldest son who have 
little motivation for doing it themselves and have a fairly common vehicle, 
such as his Ford Escape. However, when I had Focci some years back I found the 
dealer did a good job of oil changes in their “fast lane” setup, which of 
course was a ploy to try and upsell you additional services or find stuff that 
was wrong with your car. Once I established that I was not going to bite on 
their upselling, I got along quite well with the service writers at my local 
stealership. To their credit, when there was stuff like a serpentine belt that 
needed to be changed for $75 I would have them do it, as it wasn’t worth my 
time or efforts for that kind of money - and I didn’t have a place to work on 
the car at the time, either.

I would never take one of my MBs to a monkey lube place, however. They won’t 
have the proper filter and don’t know the car well enough to service it 
properly.

-D

> On Oct 31, 2020, at 10:03 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> yeah I saw that.  I don't know, anyone who can't change his own oil deserves 
> what he gets, esp going to one of those monkey lube places
> 
> --FT
> 
> On 10/30/20 10:09 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] These are the sorts of posts you see on a daily basis on Fakebook

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

yeah I saw that.  I don't know, anyone who can't change his own oil 
deserves what he gets, esp going to one of those monkey lube places


--FT

On 10/30/20 10:09 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:




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Re: [MBZ] Damn

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

yeah saw that.  bummer.  He was the best Bond and a funny guy too

--FT

On 10/31/20 9:16 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-54761824

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Re: [MBZ] Damn

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

That sucks.

I wonder if they’re going to do a final “Celebrity Jeopardy” with him on 
Saturday Night Live”?

“I’ll take anal bum cover for $400, Trebek."

-D



> On Oct 31, 2020, at 9:16 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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> https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-54761824
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[MBZ] Damn

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-54761824

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Re: [MBZ] OT:Tuatara 1750hp, 300mph

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

I wonder why they dont just go run on the salt, where there is official
timing equipment set up and no one can dispute their obviously fake video
on top gear or wherever.

In sailing, there is a whole speed record council set up. You have to hire
an official observer to come out and watch the attempt. The gps has to be
according to specification etc. The guys who did that ddwfttw propeller
sail cart Blackbird and the vestas sailrocket guys both have good vids on
their record attempts.



On Wed, Oct 28, 2020, 8:00 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

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> On October 10, on a closed seven-mile stretch of road, Webb piloted a
> $1.9 million Shelby Supercars (SSC) Tuatara to a world record for
> fastest production vehicle. Over two one-way runs, the Tuatara averaged
> 316.11 mph. The quickest run, at 331.15 mph, broke the previous one-way
> record of 284.6 mph, set by Koenigsegg on the same stretch of road in
> 2017, by 46.6 mph. Another notable speed record by a production car
> happened in September 2019, when a Bugatti Chiron reached 304.773 mph on
> the Ehra-Lessien test track in Germany.
>
> As for the "world record" designation: The speed run was measured and
> tested in accordance with Guinness specifications, but has not yet
> officially been certified by Guinness as a world record.
>
> "Carmakers like this road because it's long and straight, and there
> tends not to be much wind," Webb said. "But they don't pay attention to
> the width. It's quite narrow, with low tolerances on either side of the
> car, so drivers hate it."
>
> Jerod Shelby (no relation to Carroll) launched SSC in 1998, setting up
> shop in his hometown of Richland, Washington. "Nobody knew who we were,"
> he said. "I decided that this top-speed record would be a good way to
> get mentioned in the same sentence with Bugatti, Koenigsegg, and
> Ferrari."
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N22JfNHiC1k
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKmAEgAwc5k
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[MBZ] Valvoline MaxLife 6qt $25

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

On Woot (Amazon clearance stuff)
That’s a good price, Advance Auto with coupons and discounts is a bit more than 
that for the 5qt jug. For 722.6 trannies. 


https://www.woot.com/gp/r.html?C=23KGTKER8FVTP=JL063RI17R8J=urn:rtn:msg:20201031060902f75cd92049d04c37820cf7ab4ff0p0na=2O85J4GNZ7XR1=C=https%3A%2F%2Ftools.woot.com%2Foffers%2Fvalvoline-automatic-transmission-fluid%3Futm_campaign%3DDaily%2BDigest%2B31%2B10%2B20%26ref%3Deml%26utm_source%3DDaily%2BDigest%26utm_medium%3Demail%26utm_term%3DRec_1%26utm_content%3DSubheader-B%26ref_%3Dpe_3185080_547237600=QB0UAWADLA1CI2VJ1Y67CXIAYTMA_=pe_3185080_547237600

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Re: [MBZ] El benzo

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I like the colors

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> On Oct 30, 2020, at 9:37 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
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