Re: [MBZ] Squareback Crackalack

[MG via Mercedes]

We had a 64 like that and having learned to drive 
on that, I don't believe it either.


MG

OK Don via Mercedes wrote:

My Mom's Microbus, 18(?) window had the 1200cc 36HP engine. She hated it
because it was too slow. She said it was too slow to drive on the highway.
We later found out that the speedo was reading 10MPH too low. When she
thought it would only go 60, it was actually 70. She never did believe that
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On Tue, Jan 31, 2023 at 1:14 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
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The worst Vanagon was the diesel (1.6 liter, 48hp non-turbo same as the
rabbit engine). They were dangerously slow accelerating and people often
blew up the engines trying to drive them faster than they should.

I would guess a 2.0l TDI would do quite a bit better, I think they make
about 140hp?

The waterboxer in my Vanagon was just OK, it would do 70-75 on the
interstate but not really any more than that without getting pretty close
to red-line. It was pretty torquey though, and around town it was fine, at
least with the manual transmission.


On Tue, Jan 31, 2023, at 14:00, MG via Mercedes wrote:

never having had one of those, how good would they
be pushing something as heavy as the Vanagon?

MG

Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

There's a guy putting 2.0l TDI engines in. The Grind Hard Plumbing Co

guys had one done.

If I were going to do it that's what I'd want.

-Curt

On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 12:40:17 PM EST, Allan Streib via

Mercedes  wrote:





Yeah the waterboxer engines were prone to head gasket leaks. Though I

drove mine to Florida and back at 70 MPH with no issues.

There was a kit to put a Ford Focus (Zetec) engine in a Vanagon. It

seemed well done, but not cheap -- $7,900 and that doesn't include the
engine. I'd probably do that over a Subaru conversion. Based on my
experience with my '03 Focus, the Zetec engine is bulletproof.




https://www.bostig.com/bostig-vanagon-conversion-2022-2023-kits-20-deposit-total-price-7895/


On Tue, Jan 31, 2023, at 09:31, MG via Mercedes wrote:

That's what interested me. The original engines on
those were always a bit unreliable. I can't see a
problem with it as long as it isn't hanging too low.

MG

Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

Did you guys notice the GM engine?

-Curt

On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 08:45:47 AM EST, Allan Streib via

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Yeah that’s pretty cool. I had a Vanagon GL that I really liked but

sadly it was totaled in an accident. I’m guessing I’ll get another one some
day.

On Tue, Jan 31, 2023, at 08:31, MG via Mercedes wrote:

I'd rather get this.



https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1985-volkswagen-volkswagen-t3-transporter-doka-syncro/

MG

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What a beauty!

A little bit of work cleaning up things, like the gross shifter

surround

and it'd be fantastic.

Price is crazy for the lack of detail put into the ad though.

Here's a nice looking fastback for way less:
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1970-volkswagen-type-3-fastback/

My mom had a fastback when I was born. Interestingly Angie's did

too. Type

3 is on the list of cars I'd like to own.

-Curt


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https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/5825792714154644/?mibextid=6ojiHh

Or is it reasonable?

AZBob


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[MBZ] Pisten Bully update

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Got back to the Pisten Bully yesterday. Monday one of the other guys walked an 
excavator to it clearing the road so we could drive in.

I drew the short straw and "got to" go underneath to pull the oil pan. I don't 
consider myself a small guy but in the snowmobile community I guess I'm 
"skinny".
We jacked it up so it was sitting on 3 6x6 blocks which was just enough to let 
me get the pan out.

There are a bunch of bolts and studs holding the thing up, it's a big pan after 
all. Fortunately they all came out easily. Only one stud pulled and I only lost 
one nut which fell down my coat and disappeared.

The only real victim was a rubber hose from the turbo oil return into the pan 
that snapped. I'll get a chunk to replace it.

So the pan is out to get welded, the plan is to get it back this afternoon and 
have it in the machine tomorrow morning. Hopefully the welder can make that 
time frame, we shall see.

Adding fluids will be a trick, dang thing holds just under 5 gallons of oil and 
almost 9 gallons of coolant...

-Curt

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Re: [MBZ] Pisten Bully update

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Well done !!


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> Got back to the Pisten Bully yesterday. Monday one of the other guys
> walked an excavator to it clearing the road so we could drive in.
>
> I drew the short straw and "got to" go underneath to pull the oil pan. I
> don't consider myself a small guy but in the snowmobile community I guess
> I'm "skinny".
> We jacked it up so it was sitting on 3 6x6 blocks which was just enough to
> let me get the pan out.
>
> There are a bunch of bolts and studs holding the thing up, it's a big pan
> after all. Fortunately they all came out easily. Only one stud pulled and I
> only lost one nut which fell down my coat and disappeared.
>
> The only real victim was a rubber hose from the turbo oil return into the
> pan that snapped. I'll get a chunk to replace it.
>
> So the pan is out to get welded, the plan is to get it back this afternoon
> and have it in the machine tomorrow morning. Hopefully the welder can make
> that time frame, we shall see.
>
> Adding fluids will be a trick, dang thing holds just under 5 gallons of
> oil and almost 9 gallons of coolant...
>
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[MBZ] 04 E500 Estate Designo 4Matic - 210k miles - $9,000

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Looks nice -- what is "Designo" other than tan seats in a dark interior? I had 
thought it was a heavier grade of leather but those look like normal seat 
covers to me?

https://chicago.craigslist.org/nch/cto/d/chicago-04-mercedes-benz-500-estate/7584715064.html

"repairs based on replacing parts in the vicinity of known repair part being 
replaced"

At some point would you end up replacing the whole car then?


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[MBZ] 2006 ML350 - 200k miles - $4,100

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Not bad looking. At 200k miles engine is maybe a good one?

https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/cto/d/wheeling-mercedes-benz-ml350-4x4-2006/7584679380.html
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Re: [MBZ] 04 E500 Estate Designo 4Matic - 210k miles - $9,000

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Designo is usually some paint colors and interior color combos, sort of 
a custom design.  Some of them look quite nice, others not so much


--FT

On 2/1/23 10:29 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

Looks nice -- what is "Designo" other than tan seats in a dark interior? I had 
thought it was a heavier grade of leather but those look like normal seat covers to me?

https://chicago.craigslist.org/nch/cto/d/chicago-04-mercedes-benz-500-estate/7584715064.html

"repairs based on replacing parts in the vicinity of known repair part being 
replaced"

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[MBZ] What About This ML?

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https://phoenix.craigslist.org/wvl/cto/d/phoenix-2008-mercedes-benz-gl320-cdi/7583576117.html

What is this worth $$ wise if I reach out? 

AZBob


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Re: [MBZ] What About This ML?

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And yes I know it’s a GL. Uber fat fingers

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> 
> https://phoenix.craigslist.org/wvl/cto/d/phoenix-2008-mercedes-benz-gl320-cdi/7583576117.html
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> What is this worth $$ wise if I reach out? 
> 
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[MBZ] Barn find 1965 Mercedes 220S Sedan,$2,500 · In stock

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

A few parts might be missing

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/729798355424913

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Re: [MBZ] What About This ML?

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He's not in a hurray to sell!  Hurry!

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> And yes I know it’s a GL. Uber fat fingers
>
> Sent from my iPad
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> >
> > 
> https://phoenix.craigslist.org/wvl/cto/d/phoenix-2008-mercedes-benz-gl320-cdi/7583576117.html
> >
> > What is this worth $$ wise if I reach out?
> >
> > AZBob
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Barn find 1965 Mercedes 220S Sedan,$2,500 · In stock

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It's all surface rust.

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> A few parts might be missing
>
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Re: [MBZ] What About This ML?

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

I've owned diesel MBs for over 20 years. It used to be a nice combo of driving 
an MB and getting decent economy fuel-wise. Probably would not buy another one, 
only because the price gap from gas to diesel has grown. Diesel here is $5/g 
and premium unleaded under $4.



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> And yes I know it’s a GL. Uber fat fingers
>
> Sent from my iPad
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>> On Feb 1, 2023, at 9:09 AM, Bob Rentfro  wrote:
>> 
>> https://phoenix.craigslist.org/wvl/cto/d/phoenix-2008-mercedes-benz-gl320-cdi/7583576117.html
>> 
>> What is this worth $$ wise if I reach out? 
>> 
>> AZBob
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[MBZ] Ice freezing cold air 1997 Mercedes E320 very very nice car - $2, 950 (St Augustine)

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

It does look nice, highly-desirable green/tan

https://jacksonville.craigslist.org/cto/d/saint-augustine-1997-mercedes-e320-very/7584594282.html

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Re: [MBZ] What About This ML?

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Why do they never take a pic of the back to show if it has a tow hitch?

Looks fairly nice, you decide on what you would pay for it.  that's 
probably not an unreasonable ask but lower is always better.


--FT

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https://phoenix.craigslist.org/wvl/cto/d/phoenix-2008-mercedes-benz-gl320-cdi/7583576117.html

What is this worth $$ wise if I reach out?

AZBob


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Re: [MBZ] Ice freezing cold air 1997 Mercedes E320 very very nice car - $2, 950 (St Augustine)

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There is nothing pretty or natural about that shade of green.

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> It does look nice, highly-desirable green/tan
>
>
> https://jacksonville.craigslist.org/cto/d/saint-augustine-1997-mercedes-e320-very/7584594282.html
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[MBZ] Has new brakes but sensors were not attached. 08 E350 - $4, 200 (Goldsboro)

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

uhhh, why not?

https://eastnc.craigslist.org/cto/d/goldsboro-08-e350/7584753145.html

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Re: [MBZ] Ice freezing cold air 1997 Mercedes E320 very very nice car - $2, 950 (St Augustine)

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Better than Linda Blair vomit green.

On Wed, Feb 1, 2023, at 11:28, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> There is nothing pretty or natural about that shade of green.
>
> On Wed, Feb 1, 2023 at 11:22 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
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>
>> It does look nice, highly-desirable green/tan
>>
>>
>> https://jacksonville.craigslist.org/cto/d/saint-augustine-1997-mercedes-e320-very/7584594282.html
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[MBZ] Another GL…is it Scary?

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

https://phoenix.craigslist.org/cph/cto/d/phoenix-2007-mercedes-benz-gl450-low/7577449349.html

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Re: [MBZ] 04 E500 Estate Designo 4Matic - 210k miles - $9,000

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Leather seats with fancy names such as espresso.

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> Designo is usually some paint colors and interior color combos, sort of
> a custom design.  Some of them look quite nice, others not so much
>
> --FT
>
> On 2/1/23 10:29 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
> > Looks nice -- what is "Designo" other than tan seats in a dark interior?
> I had thought it was a heavier grade of leather but those look like normal
> seat covers to me?
> >
> >
> https://chicago.craigslist.org/nch/cto/d/chicago-04-mercedes-benz-500-estate/7584715064.html
> >
> > "repairs based on replacing parts in the vicinity of known repair part
> being replaced"
> >
> > At some point would you end up replacing the whole car then?
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Re: [MBZ] 04 E500 Estate Designo 4Matic - 210k miles - $9,000

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Expresso to match the Mocha Black paint

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On 2/1/23 11:39 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

Leather seats with fancy names such as espresso.

On Wed, Feb 1, 2023 at 10:36 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
 wrote:


Designo is usually some paint colors and interior color combos,
sort of
a custom design.  Some of them look quite nice, others not so much

--FT

On 2/1/23 10:29 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
> Looks nice -- what is "Designo" other than tan seats in a dark
interior? I had thought it was a heavier grade of leather but
those look like normal seat covers to me?
>
>

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>
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repair part being replaced"
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[MBZ] Enjoy my landscape pics 2002 Mercedes - $9,500 (dallas)

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Hendricks certified all records.

https://charlotte.craigslist.org/cto/d/charlotte-2002-mercedes/7584748261.html

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Re: [MBZ] Another GL…is it Scary?

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

That one looks to have a tow hitch, and 3 rows for that party night out

Here's a nice black/black for lower price and lower miles but no tow hitch?

https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/riverview-2007-mercedes-benz-gl-class/7584590044.html

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[MBZ] No low ballers or dreamers please. No joy rides unless you have cash in hand. 2007 Mercedes Benz S550 22” AMG rims - $7,900 (Tampa)

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

This guy is no fun.  And bean burritoed seats

https://lakeland.craigslist.org/cto/d/mango-2007-mercedes-benz-amg-rims/7580528259.html

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Re: [MBZ] Pisten Bully update

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Attaboy!!!

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> On Feb 1, 2023, at 9:52 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
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> 
> Got back to the Pisten Bully yesterday. Monday one of the other guys walked 
> an excavator to it clearing the road so we could drive in.
> 
> I drew the short straw and "got to" go underneath to pull the oil pan. I 
> don't consider myself a small guy but in the snowmobile community I guess I'm 
> "skinny".
> We jacked it up so it was sitting on 3 6x6 blocks which was just enough to 
> let me get the pan out.
> 
> There are a bunch of bolts and studs holding the thing up, it's a big pan 
> after all. Fortunately they all came out easily. Only one stud pulled and I 
> only lost one nut which fell down my coat and disappeared.
> 
> The only real victim was a rubber hose from the turbo oil return into the pan 
> that snapped. I'll get a chunk to replace it.
> 
> So the pan is out to get welded, the plan is to get it back this afternoon 
> and have it in the machine tomorrow morning. Hopefully the welder can make 
> that time frame, we shall see.
> 
> Adding fluids will be a trick, dang thing holds just under 5 gallons of oil 
> and almost 9 gallons of coolant...
> 
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[MBZ] OM617 thermostat

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

My 300SD seems to be running a little too cool so I'm looking at replacing the 
thermostat. Been a while; will I need any gaskets or other parts not included 
here?

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Re: [MBZ] OM617 thermostat

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Nope that’s it, except for coolant of course (G05). 

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> 
> My 300SD seems to be running a little too cool so I'm looking at replacing 
> the thermostat. Been a while; will I need any gaskets or other parts not 
> included here?
> 
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[MBZ] Moss green (?) fintail on BAT

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Has been beautified.  Not a barn find
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-mercedes-benz-200-4/
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Re: [MBZ] Enjoy my landscape pics 2002 Mercedes - $9,500 (dallas)

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Canadian funds?

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> Hendricks certified all records.
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Re: [MBZ] No low ballers or dreamers please. No joy rides unless you have cash in hand. 2007 Mercedes Benz S550 22” AMG rims - $7,900 (Tampa)

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

"No lowballers or dreamers please.  No joy rides unless you have cash in
hand".   Nasty.

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> This guy is no fun.  And bean burritoed seats
>
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Re: [MBZ] OM617 thermostat

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

If anything, W123/126 maintenance costs have diminished in the past decade.

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> Nope that’s it, except for coolant of course (G05).
>
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> >
> > My 300SD seems to be running a little too cool so I'm looking at
> replacing the thermostat. Been a while; will I need any gaskets or other
> parts not included here?
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Enjoy my landscape pics 2002 Mercedes - $9,500 (dallas)

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Isn't that a Carvanna price for a 20 year old car?
It is fast approaching the era where Mercedes only has parts that are NLA,
if not already.

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> Canadian funds?
>
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> > Hendricks certified all records.
> >
> >
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[MBZ] Moto meter

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Are these worth having as compared to a more common type of compression tester? 
Do they have different versions for gas vs diesel, or does one unit do both?

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[MBZ] Another green one - 1998 S420 - 61k miles - $10,000

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Pretty low miles, but I don't like the look of the dried salt on the body 
panels.

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Re: [MBZ] OT motor brushes bad?

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Bad start capacitor?

On Wed, Feb 1, 2023, at 16:11, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> Last year my wife bought a pair of brand new Hobart commercial gas ovens for 
> her bakery, which was put to use a couple of months ago. These ovens were 
> bought brand new in 1996 by a church for their kitchen they were building. 
> That never happened and these were stored since then still in the crates. 
> These ovens would be about $40k to buy new and we got them for $800 for the 
> pair. Anyway, they both have been working fine up until a couple of weeks 
> ago. These ovens have a big fan in the back on them that starts up once they 
> fire, or run during cool down. Sudd Eli the fan in the top oven quit. I 
> pulled the back off today and it makes a loud buzzing sound like it’s trying 
> to spin but doesn’t. At first I figured it was locked up but it spins free. 
> It will buzz for a few seconds then I guess it times out and quits. I 
> discovered if I stick a screw driver in the back of the motor and give it a 
> slight push in the direction of rotation it will spin up. When you open the 
> doors it shuts the fan off but if it needs to start back up before it 
> completely quits rotating it will go again. It’s when it completely stops 
> spinning that you have to help it spin again.
> 
> This tells me the brushes are worn down? If so, how could that be on an 
> essentially brand new motor?  Pics attached, is this something I can replace 
> myself? If so, how are they replaced and where might I get them? Would it 
> need to go to an electrical place that works on motors?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT motor brushes bad?

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Start capacitor gone bad?

Randy




On 01/02/2023 3:11 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

Last year my wife bought a pair of brand new Hobart commercial gas ovens for 
her bakery, which was put to use a couple of months ago. These ovens were 
bought brand new in 1996 by a church for their kitchen they were building. That 
never happened and these were stored since then still in the crates. These 
ovens would be about $40k to buy new and we got them for $800 for the pair. 
Anyway, they both have been working fine up until a couple of weeks ago. These 
ovens have a big fan in the back on them that starts up once they fire, or run 
during cool down. Sudd Eli the fan in the top oven quit. I pulled the back off 
today and it makes a loud buzzing sound like it’s trying to spin but doesn’t. 
At first I figured it was locked up but it spins free. It will buzz for a few 
seconds then I guess it times out and quits. I discovered if I stick a screw 
driver in the back of the motor and give it a slight push in the direction of 
rotation it will spin up. When you open the doors it shuts the fan off but if 
it needs to start back up before it completely quits rotating it will go again. 
It’s when it completely stops spinning that you have to help it spin again.

This tells me the brushes are worn down? If so, how could that be on an 
essentially brand new motor?  Pics attached, is this something I can replace 
myself? If so, how are they replaced and where might I get them? Would it need 
to go to an electrical place that works on motors?



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Re: [MBZ] OT motor brushes bad?

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

That is two of us. You beat me to it.

Randy

On 01/02/2023 3:17 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

Bad start capacitor?

On Wed, Feb 1, 2023, at 16:11, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

Last year my wife bought a pair of brand new Hobart commercial gas ovens for 
her bakery, which was put to use a couple of months ago. These ovens were 
bought brand new in 1996 by a church for their kitchen they were building. That 
never happened and these were stored since then still in the crates. These 
ovens would be about $40k to buy new and we got them for $800 for the pair. 
Anyway, they both have been working fine up until a couple of weeks ago. These 
ovens have a big fan in the back on them that starts up once they fire, or run 
during cool down. Sudd Eli the fan in the top oven quit. I pulled the back off 
today and it makes a loud buzzing sound like it’s trying to spin but doesn’t. 
At first I figured it was locked up but it spins free. It will buzz for a few 
seconds then I guess it times out and quits. I discovered if I stick a screw 
driver in the back of the motor and give it a slight push in the direction of 
rotation it will spin up. When you open the doors it shuts the fan off but if 
it needs to start back up before it completely quits rotating it will go again. 
It’s when it completely stops spinning that you have to help it spin again.

This tells me the brushes are worn down? If so, how could that be on an 
essentially brand new motor?  Pics attached, is this something I can replace 
myself? If so, how are they replaced and where might I get them? Would it need 
to go to an electrical place that works on motors?







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Re: [MBZ] OT motor brushes bad?

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Yup - what Allen said. Capacitors don't like to sit unused.

On Wed, Feb 1, 2023 at 3:19 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Bad start capacitor?
>
> On Wed, Feb 1, 2023, at 16:11, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> > Last year my wife bought a pair of brand new Hobart commercial gas ovens
> for her bakery, which was put to use a couple of months ago. These ovens
> were bought brand new in 1996 by a church for their kitchen they were
> building. That never happened and these were stored since then still in the
> crates. These ovens would be about $40k to buy new and we got them for $800
> for the pair. Anyway, they both have been working fine up until a couple of
> weeks ago. These ovens have a big fan in the back on them that starts up
> once they fire, or run during cool down. Sudd Eli the fan in the top oven
> quit. I pulled the back off today and it makes a loud buzzing sound like
> it’s trying to spin but doesn’t. At first I figured it was locked up but it
> spins free. It will buzz for a few seconds then I guess it times out and
> quits. I discovered if I stick a screw driver in the back of the motor and
> give it a slight push in the direction of rotation it will spin up. When
> you open the doors it shuts the fan off but if it needs to start back up
> before it completely quits rotating it will go again. It’s when it
> completely stops spinning that you have to help it spin again.
> >
> > This tells me the brushes are worn down? If so, how could that be on an
> essentially brand new motor?  Pics attached, is this something I can
> replace myself? If so, how are they replaced and where might I get them?
> Would it need to go to an electrical place that works on motors?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT motor brushes bad?

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

There are no brushes in that kind of motor.  Repulsion and repulsion-start 
motors,
which DO have brushes, went away mid-20th century.  Our water pump used one,
and my big old air compressor has one, though I've not yet ever fired it up.

Repulsion-start induction motors have the best starting torque vs current curve,
even better than capacitor-start motors.  But they're expensive, and have 
brushes,
a commutator, and a shorting ring, all of which wear.

The hump on the top, and the modern paint job and construction, tell you that 
this
is a motor with one or more capacitors.  They fail, and when they do there's no
starting torque.  They buzz until the thermal breaker pops, or the windings do.

Capacitors are very DIY friendly to replace, usually.  They are a wear/fail 
component,
just like brushes.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT motor brushes bad?

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

All motors need a rotating magnetic field in order to get started turning.
This can happen in one (or more) different ways:

1) Three-phase (Well, 2+ phase) power.  (BG motors; VF drives; stepper 
motors.)
2) Repulsion windings. (Water and air pump motors, now obsolete.)
3) Commutator. (Universal motors.)
4) Phase-delay via capacitor(s).  (Most small to mid-size motors these days.)
5) Pole shading. (Small fan motors.  Bathroom vents, etc.)
6) Mechanical jump-start. (Pony motor.  Handwheel.  I have gramps' old grinder 
that needs a spin, and always did even when new.)
7) Others?

There are trade-offs among all of these.

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Re: [MBZ] OT motor brushes bad?

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

This is just a 110 motor. So are you saying the brushes are not bad but it’s 
something else?

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> On Feb 1, 2023, at 3:39 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> All motors need a rotating magnetic field in order to get started turning.
> This can happen in one (or more) different ways:
> 
> 1) Three-phase (Well, 2+ phase) power.  (BG motors; VF drives; stepper 
> motors.)
> 2) Repulsion windings. (Water and air pump motors, now obsolete.)
> 3) Commutator. (Universal motors.)
> 4) Phase-delay via capacitor(s).  (Most small to mid-size motors these days.)
> 5) Pole shading. (Small fan motors.  Bathroom vents, etc.)
> 6) Mechanical jump-start. (Pony motor.  Handwheel.  I have gramps' old 
> grinder that needs a spin, and always did even when new.)
> 7) Others?
> 
> There are trade-offs among all of these.
> 
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] OT motor brushes bad?

[OK Don via Mercedes]

He's saying that it doesn't have brushes and that the starting capacitor is
bad.

On Wed, Feb 1, 2023 at 3:47 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> This is just a 110 motor. So are you saying the brushes are not bad but
> it’s something else?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Feb 1, 2023, at 3:39 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > All motors need a rotating magnetic field in order to get started
> turning.
> > This can happen in one (or more) different ways:
> >
> > 1) Three-phase (Well, 2+ phase) power.  (BG motors; VF drives;
> stepper motors.)
> > 2) Repulsion windings. (Water and air pump motors, now obsolete.)
> > 3) Commutator. (Universal motors.)
> > 4) Phase-delay via capacitor(s).  (Most small to mid-size motors these
> days.)
> > 5) Pole shading. (Small fan motors.  Bathroom vents, etc.)
> > 6) Mechanical jump-start. (Pony motor.  Handwheel.  I have gramps' old
> grinder that needs a spin, and always did even when new.)
> > 7) Others?
> >
> > There are trade-offs among all of these.
> >
> > -- Jim
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT motor brushes bad?

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

O. Now to figure out where it’s located on this thing. 

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> On Feb 1, 2023, at 3:50 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> He's saying that it doesn't have brushes and that the starting capacitor is
> bad.
> 
>> On Wed, Feb 1, 2023 at 3:47 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> This is just a 110 motor. So are you saying the brushes are not bad but
>> it’s something else?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Feb 1, 2023, at 3:39 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> All motors need a rotating magnetic field in order to get started
>> turning.
>>> This can happen in one (or more) different ways:
>>> 
>>> 1) Three-phase (Well, 2+ phase) power.  (BG motors; VF drives;
>> stepper motors.)
>>> 2) Repulsion windings. (Water and air pump motors, now obsolete.)
>>> 3) Commutator. (Universal motors.)
>>> 4) Phase-delay via capacitor(s).  (Most small to mid-size motors these
>> days.)
>>> 5) Pole shading. (Small fan motors.  Bathroom vents, etc.)
>>> 6) Mechanical jump-start. (Pony motor.  Handwheel.  I have gramps' old
>> grinder that needs a spin, and always did even when new.)
>>> 7) Others?
>>> 
>>> There are trade-offs among all of these.
>>> 
>>> -- Jim
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> 
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> 
> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”  Wernher
> Von Braun
> 
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> In engineering if you do not know what you are doing you should not be
> doing it."
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Re: [MBZ] OT motor brushes bad?

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

It’s usually under the big hump on the motor

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> On Feb 1, 2023, at 3:05 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> O. Now to figure out where it’s located on this thing. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 1, 2023, at 3:50 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> He's saying that it doesn't have brushes and that the starting capacitor is
>> bad.
>> 
>>> On Wed, Feb 1, 2023 at 3:47 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> This is just a 110 motor. So are you saying the brushes are not bad but
>>> it’s something else?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Feb 1, 2023, at 3:39 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 All motors need a rotating magnetic field in order to get started
>>> turning.
 This can happen in one (or more) different ways:
 
 1) Three-phase (Well, 2+ phase) power.  (BG motors; VF drives;
>>> stepper motors.)
 2) Repulsion windings. (Water and air pump motors, now obsolete.)
 3) Commutator. (Universal motors.)
 4) Phase-delay via capacitor(s).  (Most small to mid-size motors these
>>> days.)
 5) Pole shading. (Small fan motors.  Bathroom vents, etc.)
 6) Mechanical jump-start. (Pony motor.  Handwheel.  I have gramps' old
>>> grinder that needs a spin, and always did even when new.)
 7) Others?
 
 There are trade-offs among all of these.
 
 -- Jim
 
 
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>> 
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>> are wearing."
>> 
>> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
>> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
>> 
>> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”  
>> Wernher
>> Von Braun
>> 
>> "In science if you know what you are doing you should not be doing it.
>> In engineering if you do not know what you are doing you should not be
>> doing it."
>>   -- Richard W. Hamming, The Art of Doing Science and Engineering
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>> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
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Re: [MBZ] Another green one - 1998 S420 - 61k miles - $10,000

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Overpriced even if driven on a low salt diet.

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> Pretty low miles, but I don't like the look of the dried salt on the body
> panels.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Another green one - 1998 S420 - 61k miles - $10,000

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Interesting but way overpriced. 

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> On Feb 1, 2023, at 4:29 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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> 
> Overpriced even if driven on a low salt diet.
> 
>> On Wed, Feb 1, 2023 at 4:04 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Pretty low miles, but I don't like the look of the dried salt on the body
>> panels.
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT motor brushes bad?

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Got it. I guess the next question would be is it bad to run it with it not 
starting up? It appears to time out after a few seconds anyway. 

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> On Feb 1, 2023, at 4:12 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> It’s usually under the big hump on the motor
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 1, 2023, at 3:05 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> O. Now to figure out where it’s located on this thing. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Feb 1, 2023, at 3:50 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
 wrote:
>>> 
>>> He's saying that it doesn't have brushes and that the starting capacitor is
>>> bad.
>>> 
 On Wed, Feb 1, 2023 at 3:47 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 This is just a 110 motor. So are you saying the brushes are not bad but
 it’s something else?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Feb 1, 2023, at 3:39 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> All motors need a rotating magnetic field in order to get started
 turning.
> This can happen in one (or more) different ways:
> 
> 1) Three-phase (Well, 2+ phase) power.  (BG motors; VF drives;
 stepper motors.)
> 2) Repulsion windings. (Water and air pump motors, now obsolete.)
> 3) Commutator. (Universal motors.)
> 4) Phase-delay via capacitor(s).  (Most small to mid-size motors these
 days.)
> 5) Pole shading. (Small fan motors.  Bathroom vents, etc.)
> 6) Mechanical jump-start. (Pony motor.  Handwheel.  I have gramps' old
 grinder that needs a spin, and always did even when new.)
> 7) Others?
> 
> There are trade-offs among all of these.
> 
> -- Jim
> 
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>>> OK Don
>>> 
>>> "Quality of life is inversely proportional to the amount of clothing you
>>> are wearing."
>>> 
>>> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
>>> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
>>> 
>>> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”  
>>> Wernher
>>> Von Braun
>>> 
>>> "In science if you know what you are doing you should not be doing it.
>>> In engineering if you do not know what you are doing you should not be
>>> doing it."
>>>  -- Richard W. Hamming, The Art of Doing Science and Engineering
>>> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
>>> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
>>> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] OT motor brushes bad?

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> I guess the next question would be is it bad to run it with it not starting 
> up? It appears to time out after a few seconds anyway.

Bad, yes.  You are counting on the thermal breaker to pop to prevent
the winding from frying.  These self-reset with time, so it will continue
to cycle.  This will heat the winding (not good) and cycle the thermal
breaker (also not good), which could wear out.  In the worst-case scenario,
the motor catches on fire when the thermal breaker stops doing its job.

The motor is drawing _starting_ current during this time, many times more
than normal running current.  Heat, heat, heat.  Bad, bad, bad.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT motor brushes bad?

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

These things are like $8, tops. Replace them on both ovens.
go to the university of YouTube. 

AZBob

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> On Feb 1, 2023, at 3:37 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> 
>> I guess the next question would be is it bad to run it with it not starting 
>> up? It appears to time out after a few seconds anyway.
> 
> Bad, yes.  You are counting on the thermal breaker to pop to prevent
> the winding from frying.  These self-reset with time, so it will continue
> to cycle.  This will heat the winding (not good) and cycle the thermal
> breaker (also not good), which could wear out.  In the worst-case scenario,
> the motor catches on fire when the thermal breaker stops doing its job.
> 
> The motor is drawing _starting_ current during this time, many times more
> than normal running current.  Heat, heat, heat.  Bad, bad, bad.
> 
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] OT motor brushes bad?

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I’m going to pull it out to see which one to order and get 2 of them. While the 
oven is still in new condition, it’s actually nearly 30 years old. I guess 
capacitors can go back even when sitting for that long. 

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> On Feb 1, 2023, at 4:45 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> These things are like $8, tops. Replace them on both ovens.
> go to the university of YouTube. 
> 
> AZBob
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 1, 2023, at 3:37 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> I guess the next question would be is it bad to run it with it not starting 
>>> up? It appears to time out after a few seconds anyway.
>> 
>> Bad, yes.  You are counting on the thermal breaker to pop to prevent
>> the winding from frying.  These self-reset with time, so it will continue
>> to cycle.  This will heat the winding (not good) and cycle the thermal
>> breaker (also not good), which could wear out.  In the worst-case scenario,
>> the motor catches on fire when the thermal breaker stops doing its job.
>> 
>> The motor is drawing _starting_ current during this time, many times more
>> than normal running current.  Heat, heat, heat.  Bad, bad, bad.
>> 
>> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] OT motor brushes bad?

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

The longer electrolytic capacitors sit, un-exercised, the more likely
they are to die when you try to use them.  They're like oil seals.
Or tires.

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Re: [MBZ] OT motor brushes bad?

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 01/02/2023 4:11 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:

It’s usually under the big hump on the motor

and there should be writing on it that will tell you what the 
capacitance value is. You need to get a new one that will match the old one.


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Re: [MBZ] OT motor brushes bad?

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Which reminds me, I need to go and exercise the caps in my big studio
strobe power pack - those big high voltage caps are expensive to replace.

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> The longer electrolytic capacitors sit, un-exercised, the more likely
> they are to die when you try to use them.  They're like oil seals.
> Or tires.
>
> -- Jim
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In engineering if you do not know what you are doing you should not be
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Re: [MBZ] OT motor brushes bad?

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I pulled the capacitor and ordered 2 of them. 

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> On Feb 1, 2023, at 6:15 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> Which reminds me, I need to go and exercise the caps in my big studio
> strobe power pack - those big high voltage caps are expensive to replace.
> 
>> On Wed, Feb 1, 2023 at 4:58 PM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> The longer electrolytic capacitors sit, un-exercised, the more likely
>> they are to die when you try to use them.  They're like oil seals.
>> Or tires.
>> 
>> -- Jim
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> 
> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> 
> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”  Wernher
> Von Braun
> 
> "In science if you know what you are doing you should not be doing it.
> In engineering if you do not know what you are doing you should not be
> doing it."
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Re: [MBZ] Another green one - 1998 S420 - 61k miles - $10,000

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Low miles and looks good but way overpriced. And living in salt land is no 
bueno. 

--FT
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[MBZ] Mercedes-Benz Just Stole Tesla's Thunder

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Not that I want either of these cars, but MB is not sitting on it's hands:

https://jalopnik.com/mercedes-beats-tesla-to-sae-level-3-assisted-driving-1850054739
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[MBZ] 1996 "S-Class 320" - 146k miles - $4,350

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Add claims it is a S-Class 320 “Long Wheel Base” presidential edition but 
badging says "S600"

"the only single issue is a floating gas gauge which is throwing a CEL other 
then that it’s perfectly fine"

I would say other issues include that owners are fans of loaded beef burritos 
and have used seat pads to cover the evidence. Also it has a hideous 
aftermarket radio.

https://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/cto/d/arlington-heights-1996-mercedes-benz/7584978330.html
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[MBZ] 2014 E350 - 130k miles - $9,500

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Not bad looking, wonder what the check engine light is about?

https://southbend.craigslist.org/cto/d/granger-2014-mercedes-benz-class-e350/7584820030.html

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Re: [MBZ] 2014 E350 - 130k miles - $9,500

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I would low ball

--FT
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> Not bad looking, wonder what the check engine light is about?
> 
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