Re: [MBZ] Damn

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

I am pretty sure that Keith Richards will outlive us all. That he isn't dead 
yet must mean that he is close to immortal.

On Mon, May 1, 2023, at 22:16, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> I am surprised Willie Nelson is still alive and kicking.
>
> On 5/1/2023 10:14 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
>> All the old 60s and 70s dudes and dudettes are kicking or will be soon
>>
>> --FT
>> Sent from iFōn
>>
>>> On May 1, 2023, at 9:48 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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>>>
>>> Gordon Lightfoot just kicked the bucket.  Time to listed to the Wreck of 
>>> the Edmond Fitzgerald in remembrance.
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Re: [MBZ] 1985 Mercedes 300 TD Turbo diesel wagon

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This is an auction.  That  price won't last long...

On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 5:50 PM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
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> Not too crazy for a wagon
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] 1979 Mercedes 280SL / German Import

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"Not running" or "doesn't start"?

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Re: [MBZ] 1977 Mercedes Benz 6.9low miles

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It's got the paper thin leather seats that disintegrate without effort.

On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 6:43 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
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> Would a '77 have had clear coat? Has it been resprayed?
>
> On Mon, May 1, 2023, at 17:38, Craig via Mercedes wrote:
> > On Mon, 1 May 2023 14:47:36 -0700 Bob Rentfro via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> >
> >>
> https://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/cto/d/north-hollywood-1977-mercedes-benz/7616250314.html
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> >> Git yur wallets out!
> >>
> >> That back seat though…
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> > Rode hard and put up wet.
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Re: [MBZ] Tedious shop work

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On Mon, 1 May 2023 22:00:00 -0500 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
 wrote:

> My problem is I have had a bad habit for many years of when I get done 
> with a job, I tend to just throw tools wherever instead of putting them 
> up.  I am going to have to make sure I put them back as I am done using 
> them.

If you have a place for them, even if you do not put them away right
away, you will know where they are supposed to be when you do run across
them. (Again from experience.)


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] I really should get a 2nd lift

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

The Hunter alignment rack I have has these.  So I guess I could get it 
up and running and use it, so perhaps I am really talking about a 3rd lift.


On 5/1/2023 10:23 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:

Those 4 posts can have a jack that sits on a cross rail so you can lift the 
front or rear. That would be useful

--FT
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I was just thinking about how if I do decide to tackle cutting out the floor 
on this 115 and welding in new pans, its going to be on the lift for a long 
time.  I should really get a 2nd 3 post lift for these longer projects.  
Actaully, with having to cut out floors, I wonder if it would be better on a 
drive on 4 post lift or similar. It appears floor pans are still available and 
not too terribly expensive.

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Re: [MBZ] I really should get a 2nd lift

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Those 4 posts can have a jack that sits on a cross rail so you can lift the 
front or rear. That would be useful 

--FT
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> On May 1, 2023, at 11:20 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I was just thinking about how if I do decide to tackle cutting out the floor 
> on this 115 and welding in new pans, its going to be on the lift for a long 
> time.  I should really get a 2nd 3 post lift for these longer projects.  
> Actaully, with having to cut out floors, I wonder if it would be better on a 
> drive on 4 post lift or similar. It appears floor pans are still available 
> and not too terribly expensive.
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Re: [MBZ] Damn

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Yea, thats why I mentioned him, I was seeing posts about it on the fakebook.

On 5/1/2023 10:17 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:

His birthday was yesterday. 90 I think

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On May 1, 2023, at 11:16 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:

I am surprised Willie Nelson is still alive and kicking.


On 5/1/2023 10:14 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
All the old 60s and 70s dudes and dudettes are kicking or will be soon

--FT
Sent from iFōn


On May 1, 2023, at 9:48 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  
wrote:

Gordon Lightfoot just kicked the bucket.  Time to listed to the Wreck of the 
Edmond Fitzgerald in remembrance.

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[MBZ] I really should get a 2nd lift

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I was just thinking about how if I do decide to tackle cutting out the 
floor on this 115 and welding in new pans, its going to be on the lift 
for a long time.  I should really get a 2nd 3 post lift for these longer 
projects.  Actaully, with having to cut out floors, I wonder if it would 
be better on a drive on 4 post lift or similar. It appears floor pans 
are still available and not too terribly expensive.


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Re: [MBZ] Damn

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His birthday was yesterday. 90 I think

--FT
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> On May 1, 2023, at 11:16 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I am surprised Willie Nelson is still alive and kicking.
> 
>> On 5/1/2023 10:14 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
>> All the old 60s and 70s dudes and dudettes are kicking or will be soon
>> 
>> --FT
>> Sent from iFōn
>> 
 On May 1, 2023, at 9:48 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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Re: [MBZ] Damn

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I am surprised Willie Nelson is still alive and kicking.

On 5/1/2023 10:14 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:

All the old 60s and 70s dudes and dudettes are kicking or will be soon

--FT
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Gordon Lightfoot just kicked the bucket.  Time to listed to the Wreck of the 
Edmond Fitzgerald in remembrance.

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Re: [MBZ] Damn

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All the old 60s and 70s dudes and dudettes are kicking or will be soon 

--FT
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> On May 1, 2023, at 9:48 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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Re: [MBZ] Tedious shop work

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My problem is I have had a bad habit for many years of when I get done 
with a job, I tend to just throw tools wherever instead of putting them 
up.  I am going to have to make sure I put them back as I am done using 
them.


On 5/1/2023 9:57 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:

Necessary work but gratifying

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Last year I moved several of the nice cars out of the shop to organize it, put up 
the lift etc and they have been sitting outside way too long.  Now that I have that 
450SEL done and out of the shop ready to go off to its new owner at the end of the 
week, I have decided to move the large 72" tool chest with top chest into place 
and start filling it in an organized fashion.  Today I spent some time just going 
around the shop throwing in a box anything socket related, and other box anything 
screwdriver or wrench related.  I then spend a couple of hours loading them into the 
chest on socket holders and/or socket rails.  Basically making complete sets of 
sockets and throwing the extras in a box to then use to make complete sets for the 
tool box on the other side of the shop. Anyway, very time consuming but hopefully 
soon I can then move on to organizing the parts.

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Re: [MBZ] Tedious shop work

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Necessary work but gratifying 

--FT
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> On May 1, 2023, at 9:43 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Last year I moved several of the nice cars out of the shop to organize it, 
> put up the lift etc and they have been sitting outside way too long.  Now 
> that I have that 450SEL done and out of the shop ready to go off to its new 
> owner at the end of the week, I have decided to move the large 72" tool chest 
> with top chest into place and start filling it in an organized fashion.  
> Today I spent some time just going around the shop throwing in a box anything 
> socket related, and other box anything screwdriver or wrench related.  I then 
> spend a couple of hours loading them into the chest on socket holders and/or 
> socket rails.  Basically making complete sets of sockets and throwing the 
> extras in a box to then use to make complete sets for the tool box on the 
> other side of the shop. Anyway, very time consuming but hopefully soon I can 
> then move on to organizing the parts.
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Re: [MBZ] Tedious shop work

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Yes, I have many duplicate socket’s and other tools so far. 

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> On May 1, 2023, at 9:54 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Or going out and buying tools that you know you already have but cannot 
> find. I've done that several times.
> 
>> On Mon, May 1, 2023, at 21:03, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> Its getting old having to spend an hour digging for just that socket 
>> that is simply thrown in a drawer somewhere.
>> 
>>> On 5/1/2023 9:00 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:
>>> On Mon, 1 May 2023 20:43:34 -0500 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
 Today I spent some time just going around the  shop throwing in a box
 anything socket related, and other box anything screwdriver or wrench
 related.  I then spend a couple of hours loading them into the chest on
 socket holders and/or socket rails.  Basically making complete sets of
 sockets and throwing the extras in a box to then use to make complete
 sets for the tool box on the other side of the shop. Anyway, very time
 consuming but hopefully soon I can then move on to organizing the parts.
>>> Good work. From experience, I can say it will serve you well in the
>>> future.
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Tedious shop work

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Or going out and buying tools that you know you already have but cannot find. 
I've done that several times.

On Mon, May 1, 2023, at 21:03, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> Its getting old having to spend an hour digging for just that socket 
> that is simply thrown in a drawer somewhere.
>
> On 5/1/2023 9:00 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:
>> On Mon, 1 May 2023 20:43:34 -0500 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> Today I spent some time just going around the  shop throwing in a box
>>> anything socket related, and other box anything screwdriver or wrench
>>> related.  I then spend a couple of hours loading them into the chest on
>>> socket holders and/or socket rails.  Basically making complete sets of
>>> sockets and throwing the extras in a box to then use to make complete
>>> sets for the tool box on the other side of the shop. Anyway, very time
>>> consuming but hopefully soon I can then move on to organizing the parts.
>> Good work. From experience, I can say it will serve you well in the
>> future.
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Tedious shop work

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Its getting old having to spend an hour digging for just that socket 
that is simply thrown in a drawer somewhere.


On 5/1/2023 9:00 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:

On Mon, 1 May 2023 20:43:34 -0500 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
 wrote:


Today I spent some time just going around the  shop throwing in a box
anything socket related, and other box anything screwdriver or wrench
related.  I then spend a couple of hours loading them into the chest on
socket holders and/or socket rails.  Basically making complete sets of
sockets and throwing the extras in a box to then use to make complete
sets for the tool box on the other side of the shop. Anyway, very time
consuming but hopefully soon I can then move on to organizing the parts.

Good work. From experience, I can say it will serve you well in the
future.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Tedious shop work

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On Mon, 1 May 2023 20:43:34 -0500 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Today I spent some time just going around the  shop throwing in a box
> anything socket related, and other box anything screwdriver or wrench
> related.  I then spend a couple of hours loading them into the chest on
> socket holders and/or socket rails.  Basically making complete sets of
> sockets and throwing the extras in a box to then use to make complete
> sets for the tool box on the other side of the shop. Anyway, very time
> consuming but hopefully soon I can then move on to organizing the parts.

Good work. From experience, I can say it will serve you well in the
future.


Craig

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[MBZ] Damn

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Gordon Lightfoot just kicked the bucket.  Time to listed to the Wreck of 
the Edmond Fitzgerald in remembrance.


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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes 1982 300 CD Turbo diesel XLNT

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Get over it 

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> On May 1, 2023, at 5:53 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> If there's anything here that bothers you at all please do not contact me.
> 
>> On Mon, May 1, 2023, at 16:45, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
>> I think this guy make take the cake.
>> 
>> No one will see my car or talk about money unless I see money 1st
>> 
>> 
>> https://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/cto/d/panorama-city-mercedes-cd-turbo-diesel/7616513306.html
>> 
>> AZBob
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[MBZ] Tedious shop work

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Last year I moved several of the nice cars out of the shop to organize 
it, put up the lift etc and they have been sitting outside way too 
long.  Now that I have that 450SEL done and out of the shop ready to go 
off to its new owner at the end of the week, I have decided to move the 
large 72" tool chest with top chest into place and start filling it in 
an organized fashion.  Today I spent some time just going around the 
shop throwing in a box anything socket related, and other box anything 
screwdriver or wrench related.  I then spend a couple of hours loading 
them into the chest on socket holders and/or socket rails.  Basically 
making complete sets of sockets and throwing the extras in a box to then 
use to make complete sets for the tool box on the other side of the 
shop. Anyway, very time consuming but hopefully soon I can then move on 
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Re: [MBZ] OK Don do you want me to check this out while I’m looking at that 126 tomorrow?

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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Re: [MBZ] 1977 Mercedes Benz 6.9low miles

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Would a '77 have had clear coat? Has it been resprayed?

On Mon, May 1, 2023, at 17:38, Craig via Mercedes wrote:
> On Mon, 1 May 2023 14:47:36 -0700 Bob Rentfro via Mercedes
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>
>> https://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/cto/d/north-hollywood-1977-mercedes-benz/7616250314.html
>>
>> Git yur wallets out!
>>
>> That back seat though…
>
> Rode hard and put up wet.
>
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Re: [MBZ] 1977 Mercedes Benz 6.9low miles

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On Mon, 1 May 2023 14:47:36 -0700 Bob Rentfro via Mercedes
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> https://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/cto/d/north-hollywood-1977-mercedes-benz/7616250314.html
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> Git yur wallets out!
>
> That back seat though…

Rode hard and put up wet.


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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes 1982 300 CD Turbo diesel XLNT

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

Or a shot of what an “XLNT” coupe really looks like. AZBob Sent from Mail for Windows From: Randy Bennell via MercedesSent: Monday, May 1, 2023 3:04 PMTo: Bob Rentfro via MercedesCc: Randy BennellSubject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes 1982 300 CD Turbo diesel XLNT Someone needs to send him a photo of money. Randy On 01/05/2023 4:45 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:> > I think this guy make take the cake.> > No one will see my car or talk about money unless I see money 1^st> > https://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/cto/d/panorama-city-mercedes-cd-turbo-diesel/7616513306.html> > AZBob> > ___http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com  

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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes 1982 300 CD Turbo diesel XLNT

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Someone needs to send him a photo of money.

Randy

On 01/05/2023 4:45 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:


I think this guy make take the cake.

No one will see my car or talk about money unless I see money 1^st

https://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/cto/d/panorama-city-mercedes-cd-turbo-diesel/7616513306.html

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[MBZ] 2000 Mercedes Benz ML320 only has 99k.miles original, single owner

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Who needs an M class? https://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/cto/d/san-mateo-2000-mercedes-benz-ml320-only/7616049799.htmlSent from Mail for Windows AZBob

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[MBZ] 2003 S430 4Matic - 200k miles - $6,000

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Looks pretty nice except for the wheels.

Overpriced for the miles?

https://fortwayne.craigslist.org/cto/d/fort-wayne-2003-mercedes-s430-4matic/7616436726.html

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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes 1982 300 CD Turbo diesel XLNT

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If there's anything here that bothers you at all please do not contact me.

On Mon, May 1, 2023, at 16:45, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
> I think this guy make take the cake.
>  
> No one will see my car or talk about money unless I see money 1st
>  
>  
> https://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/cto/d/panorama-city-mercedes-cd-turbo-diesel/7616513306.html
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[MBZ] 1979 Mercedes 280SL / German Import

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https://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/cto/d/san-diego-1979-mercedes-280sl-german/7613304813.htmlSent from Mail for Windows AZBob

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[MBZ] 1985 Mercedes 300 TD Turbo diesel wagon

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

Not too crazy for a wagon https://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/cto/d/san-diego-1985-mercedes-300-td-turbo/7615747548.htmlSent from Mail for Windows AZBob

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[MBZ] 1977 Mercedes Benz 6.9low miles

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

Git yur wallets out! That back seat though… https://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/cto/d/north-hollywood-1977-mercedes-benz/7616250314.htmlSent from Mail for Windows AZBob

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[MBZ] Mercedes 1982 300 CD Turbo diesel XLNT

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I think this guy make take the cake. No one will see my car or talk about money unless I see money 1st  https://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/cto/d/panorama-city-mercedes-cd-turbo-diesel/7616513306.html AZBob  Sent from Mail for Windows 

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Re: [MBZ] Bornite

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On Mon, 1 May 2023 14:03:29 -0700 Jim Cathey via Mercedes
 wrote:

> > 555?
> 
> I think it's an LM1815.  I don't actually have online notes from that
> era of my car hacking.

The tach amp has an 1815; the tach amp tester has a 555.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Bornite

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On Mon, 1 May 2023 20:51:37 + "dan penoff.com via Mercedes"
 wrote:

> 555?

Yes.

Here are the schematics Manfred sent me.

The PDFs for usage of the tester and the tach amp are about 800k each,
which are likely to go over the 1040 kB permitted for emails to the list.


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Re: [MBZ] Bornite

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I'll forward it to you. It's four attachments.

On Mon, May 1, 2023, at 15:58, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> If it’s an image or a document, I can post it on my website.
>
> -D
>
>> On May 1, 2023, at 1:51 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Can you post in some manner so this is available to all of us?
>> 
>> Randy
>> 
>> 
>> On 01/05/2023 3:20 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Yes, please do send the plans and instructions.
>>> 
>>> On Mon, May 1, 2023, at 15:13, MG via Mercedes wrote:
 I looked Allen but can't find anything but his
 name, the plans and the installation instructions.
 If you want I can send you those.
 
 Manfred
 
 Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
> Yes, I would be interested to know.
> 
> Allan
> 
> On Mon, May 1, 2023, at 08:44, MG via Mercedes wrote:
>> I got one years ago for my 83 300TD. A guy made
>> them with micro electronics. It still works. If
>> you want I'll try and find out if they are still
>> available.
>> 
>> Manfred
>> 
>> Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Sure, that works for a day or two.
>>> 
>>> Here's a thread about resoldering them.
>>> 
>>> https://www.benzworld.org/threads/the-permanent-tachometer-amplifier-fix.1652194/
>>> 
>>> Was hoping someone made a more reliable replacement, but I guess at 
>>> this point there isn't much of a market for that.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Apr 30, 2023, at 20:02, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
 Pack of Marlboro’s? Just one or two are needed.
 
 -D
 
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> 
> On Sun, Apr 30, 2023, at 19:09, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> 
>> Another one is the silly tachometer sending unit on the models in 
>> the early
>> 80s.
> Did anyone ever make a reliable replacement for those?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Bornite

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

The instructions he sent me include an elided link to apparently more detailed 
discussion.

http://www.mercedesshop.com/shopforu...d.php?t=189424 

mercedesshop.com now redirects to Mercedes-Benz but the old pages are available 
at archive.org. I can't coax it to show me that page, however, which I think is 
really:

http://www.mercedesshop.com/shopforum/showthread.php?t=189424 

Maybe someone with better experience at resurfacing old web pages can find it, 
it would be useful to have as background info.


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> Can you post in some manner so this is available to all of us?
>
> Randy
>
>
> On 01/05/2023 3:20 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
>> Yes, please do send the plans and instructions.
>>
>> On Mon, May 1, 2023, at 15:13, MG via Mercedes wrote:
>>> I looked Allen but can't find anything but his
>>> name, the plans and the installation instructions.
>>> If you want I can send you those.
>>>
>>> Manfred
>>>
>>> Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
 Yes, I would be interested to know.

 Allan

 On Mon, May 1, 2023, at 08:44, MG via Mercedes wrote:
> I got one years ago for my 83 300TD. A guy made
> them with micro electronics. It still works. If
> you want I'll try and find out if they are still
> available.
>
> Manfred
>
> Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
>> Sure, that works for a day or two.
>>
>> Here's a thread about resoldering them.
>>
>> https://www.benzworld.org/threads/the-permanent-tachometer-amplifier-fix.1652194/
>>
>> Was hoping someone made a more reliable replacement, but I guess at this 
>> point there isn't much of a market for that.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 30, 2023, at 20:02, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Pack of Marlboro’s? Just one or two are needed.
>>>
>>> -D
>>>
 On Apr 30, 2023, at 5:12 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
  wrote:

 On Sun, Apr 30, 2023, at 19:09, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

> Another one is the silly tachometer sending unit on the models in the 
> early
> 80s.
 Did anyone ever make a reliable replacement for those?


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Re: [MBZ] Bornite

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> 555?

I think it's an LM1815.  I don't actually have online notes from that era of my 
car hacking.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] tach amp

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Genius.

On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 4:14 PM MG via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Went through the same thing with mine. The thing
> that finally fixed it to this day is that micro
> electronic sender. Still works like a charm.
>
> Manfred
>
> Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
> > Yeah I've done that several times. Also cleaned the contact socket, the
> pins, with contact cleaner.  Also tried tightening up the pin/socket
> interface in several ways. It all works for a short time and then stops
> again.
> >
> > I'm honestly not sure if it's the pin/socket contacts that are bad or
> the amplifier circuit.
> >
> >
> > On Mon, May 1, 2023, at 11:50, Dwight Giles wrote:
> >> I was told once that old timers would put a cigarette butt in the top
> of the amp to push contacts together.
> >>
> >> On Mon, May 1, 2023, 12:40 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>> In my cars (W123 and W116 OM617 diesels), the dashboard gauge works,
> it's the amplifier that's flakey.
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, May 1, 2023, at 10:45, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>  My '85 arrived with a dead tachometer.  I was able to purchase the
> last
>  tachometer/clock gauge in the USA from the Classic Center.  They are
>  discontinued.  The '84-85 models do not have a tach amp.
> 
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> > IIRC, the (tach amplifier) circuit is right out of the application
> notes
> > for the main IC used in the thing.
> >
> > -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Bornite

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If it’s an image or a document, I can post it on my website.

-D

> On May 1, 2023, at 1:51 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
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> Can you post in some manner so this is available to all of us?
> 
> Randy
> 
> 
> On 01/05/2023 3:20 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
>> Yes, please do send the plans and instructions.
>> 
>> On Mon, May 1, 2023, at 15:13, MG via Mercedes wrote:
>>> I looked Allen but can't find anything but his
>>> name, the plans and the installation instructions.
>>> If you want I can send you those.
>>> 
>>> Manfred
>>> 
>>> Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
 Yes, I would be interested to know.
 
 Allan
 
 On Mon, May 1, 2023, at 08:44, MG via Mercedes wrote:
> I got one years ago for my 83 300TD. A guy made
> them with micro electronics. It still works. If
> you want I'll try and find out if they are still
> available.
> 
> Manfred
> 
> Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
>> Sure, that works for a day or two.
>> 
>> Here's a thread about resoldering them.
>> 
>> https://www.benzworld.org/threads/the-permanent-tachometer-amplifier-fix.1652194/
>> 
>> Was hoping someone made a more reliable replacement, but I guess at this 
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>>> Pack of Marlboro’s? Just one or two are needed.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
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> Another one is the silly tachometer sending unit on the models in the 
> early
> 80s.
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Re: [MBZ] Bornite

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Can you post in some manner so this is available to all of us?

Randy


On 01/05/2023 3:20 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

Yes, please do send the plans and instructions.

On Mon, May 1, 2023, at 15:13, MG via Mercedes wrote:

I looked Allen but can't find anything but his
name, the plans and the installation instructions.
If you want I can send you those.

Manfred

Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

Yes, I would be interested to know.

Allan

On Mon, May 1, 2023, at 08:44, MG via Mercedes wrote:

I got one years ago for my 83 300TD. A guy made
them with micro electronics. It still works. If
you want I'll try and find out if they are still
available.

Manfred

Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

Sure, that works for a day or two.

Here's a thread about resoldering them.

https://www.benzworld.org/threads/the-permanent-tachometer-amplifier-fix.1652194/

Was hoping someone made a more reliable replacement, but I guess at this point 
there isn't much of a market for that.



On Sun, Apr 30, 2023, at 20:02, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

Pack of Marlboro’s? Just one or two are needed.

-D


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On Sun, Apr 30, 2023, at 19:09, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:


Another one is the silly tachometer sending unit on the models in the early
80s.

Did anyone ever make a reliable replacement for those?


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Re: [MBZ] Bornite

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555?

-D

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Re: [MBZ] Bornite

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I'd be curious to see them, too.

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Re: [MBZ] Bornite

[MG via Mercedes]

Maybe I should send them to Jim and let him make them?

Nah I'll send offline.


Craig via Mercedes wrote:

On Mon, 01 May 2023 16:13:52 -0400 MG via Mercedes
 wrote:

I looked Allen but can't find anything but his 
name, the plans and the installation instructions. 
If you want I can send you those.


If Allan cannot make use of them, please send them to me.
I have a need with my W116 300SD.


Craig


Manfred

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Yes, I would be interested to know.

Allan

On Mon, May 1, 2023, at 08:44, MG via Mercedes wrote:
I got one years ago for my 83 300TD. A guy made 
them with micro electronics. It still works. If 
you want I'll try and find out if they are still 
available.


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Re: [MBZ] Bornite

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On Mon, 01 May 2023 16:13:52 -0400 MG via Mercedes
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> I looked Allen but can't find anything but his 
> name, the plans and the installation instructions. 
> If you want I can send you those.

If Allan cannot make use of them, please send them to me.
I have a need with my W116 300SD.


Craig

> Manfred
> 
> Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
> > Yes, I would be interested to know.
> > 
> > Allan
> > 
> > On Mon, May 1, 2023, at 08:44, MG via Mercedes wrote:
> >> I got one years ago for my 83 300TD. A guy made 
> >> them with micro electronics. It still works. If 
> >> you want I'll try and find out if they are still 
> >> available.

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Re: [MBZ] Bornite

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Yes, please do send the plans and instructions.

On Mon, May 1, 2023, at 15:13, MG via Mercedes wrote:
> I looked Allen but can't find anything but his 
> name, the plans and the installation instructions. 
> If you want I can send you those.
>
> Manfred
>
> Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
>> Yes, I would be interested to know.
>> 
>> Allan
>> 
>> On Mon, May 1, 2023, at 08:44, MG via Mercedes wrote:
>>> I got one years ago for my 83 300TD. A guy made 
>>> them with micro electronics. It still works. If 
>>> you want I'll try and find out if they are still 
>>> available.
>>>
>>> Manfred
>>>
>>> Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
 Sure, that works for a day or two.

 Here's a thread about resoldering them.

 https://www.benzworld.org/threads/the-permanent-tachometer-amplifier-fix.1652194/

 Was hoping someone made a more reliable replacement, but I guess at this 
 point there isn't much of a market for that.



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> Pack of Marlboro’s? Just one or two are needed.
>
> -D
>
>> On Apr 30, 2023, at 5:12 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 30, 2023, at 19:09, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>>
>>> Another one is the silly tachometer sending unit on the models in the 
>>> early
>>> 80s.
>> Did anyone ever make a reliable replacement for those?
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Re: [MBZ] tach amp

[MG via Mercedes]

Went through the same thing with mine. The thing 
that finally fixed it to this day is that micro 
electronic sender. Still works like a charm.


Manfred

Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

Yeah I've done that several times. Also cleaned the contact socket, the pins, 
with contact cleaner.  Also tried tightening up the pin/socket interface in 
several ways. It all works for a short time and then stops again.

I'm honestly not sure if it's the pin/socket contacts that are bad or the 
amplifier circuit.


On Mon, May 1, 2023, at 11:50, Dwight Giles wrote:

I was told once that old timers would put a cigarette butt in the top of the 
amp to push contacts together.

On Mon, May 1, 2023, 12:40 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes  
wrote:

In my cars (W123 and W116 OM617 diesels), the dashboard gauge works, it's the 
amplifier that's flakey.

On Mon, May 1, 2023, at 10:45, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

My '85 arrived with a dead tachometer.  I was able to purchase the last
tachometer/clock gauge in the USA from the Classic Center.  They are
discontinued.  The '84-85 models do not have a tach amp.

On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 11:35 AM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
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IIRC, the (tach amplifier) circuit is right out of the application notes
for the main IC used in the thing.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Bornite

[MG via Mercedes]

I looked Allen but can't find anything but his 
name, the plans and the installation instructions. 
If you want I can send you those.


Manfred

Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

Yes, I would be interested to know.

Allan

On Mon, May 1, 2023, at 08:44, MG via Mercedes wrote:
I got one years ago for my 83 300TD. A guy made 
them with micro electronics. It still works. If 
you want I'll try and find out if they are still 
available.


Manfred

Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

Sure, that works for a day or two.

Here's a thread about resoldering them.

https://www.benzworld.org/threads/the-permanent-tachometer-amplifier-fix.1652194/

Was hoping someone made a more reliable replacement, but I guess at this point 
there isn't much of a market for that.



On Sun, Apr 30, 2023, at 20:02, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

Pack of Marlboro’s? Just one or two are needed.

-D


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On Sun, Apr 30, 2023, at 19:09, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:


Another one is the silly tachometer sending unit on the models in the early
80s.

Did anyone ever make a reliable replacement for those?


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Re: [MBZ] Bornite

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Probably but I'm not good enough to do that stuff. 
I did find the circuit drawing and the other info 
that he sent me at one time but I can't find his 
email or website any more.


Manfred

Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:

IIRC, the (tach amplifier) circuit is right out of the application notes
for the main IC used in the thing.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] 560SEC

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Seller is correct. These are becoming as scarce as hen’s teeth and have 
appreciable value when in good shape. You would have to drop some serious coin 
to make this one perfect, but it would be a good candidate based on what I can 
see.

-D

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mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

Solid AZ patina. Interior surprisingly good in comparison to the exterior.

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1290395815017880/

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[MBZ] 560SEC

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Solid AZ patina. Interior surprisingly good in comparison to the exterior. https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1290395815017880/ AZBob Sent from Mail for Windows 

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Re: [MBZ] 1979 240D - 108k miles - $2,000

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It's located in northern Ohio so rust would not be surprising.

Also it has the dreaded pine tree air freshener hanging from the mirror.

If I were closer I'd check it out but it's too far away for what it is.


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> I can’t find the link right now but yes that’s pros li the photo. Looks 
> like you can barely make out the corner of the back wheel week and like 
> rotted out to me.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On May 1, 2023, at 2:23 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> The photos are dark enough to make it difficult. The only sign of rust I 
>> see is at the bottom of the door opening on the photo with the right rear 
>> door open.
>> 
>> Randy
>> 
>>> On 01/05/2023 2:20 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
>>> I did not see much either. Tell us how to look more carefully, oh Mr. Sharp 
>>> Eye.
>>> 
>>> AZBob
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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> On May 1, 2023, at 12:02 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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 Which photo?  I don't see any obvious rust.
 
> On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 2:24 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
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> Looks like a lot of rot in that one photo.
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Re: [MBZ] 1979 240D - 108k miles - $2,000

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I can’t find the link right now but yes that’s pros li the photo. Looks like 
you can barely make out the corner of the back wheel week and like rotted out 
to me.

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> is at the bottom of the door opening on the photo with the right rear door 
> open.
> 
> Randy
> 
>> On 01/05/2023 2:20 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
>> I did not see much either. Tell us how to look more carefully, oh Mr. Sharp 
>> Eye.
>> 
>> AZBob
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On May 1, 2023, at 12:02 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Which photo?  I don't see any obvious rust.
>>> 
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 Looks like a lot of rot in that one photo.
 
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Re: [MBZ] 1979 240D - 108k miles - $2,000

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The photos are dark enough to make it difficult. The only sign of rust I 
see is at the bottom of the door opening on the photo with the right 
rear door open.


Randy

On 01/05/2023 2:20 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:

I did not see much either. Tell us how to look more carefully, oh Mr. Sharp Eye.

AZBob

Sent from my iPhone


On May 1, 2023, at 12:02 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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Which photo?  I don't see any obvious rust.


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Looks like a lot of rot in that one photo.




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Re: [MBZ] 1979 240D - 108k miles - $2,000

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I did not see much either. Tell us how to look more carefully, oh Mr. Sharp 
Eye. 

AZBob

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> On May 1, 2023, at 12:02 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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> 
> Which photo?  I don't see any obvious rust.
> 
>> On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 2:24 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
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>> Looks like a lot of rot in that one photo.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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[MBZ] I am three times over in it financially 2003 Mercedes-Benz e-class E500, $4, 000

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Looks nice but has issues.  Not worth anywhere near $4k

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[MBZ] Decent-looking cheap ML -- 1999 Mercedes-Benz Ml320,$1,750

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Re: [MBZ] 1979 240D - 108k miles - $2,000

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Which photo?  I don't see any obvious rust.

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> Looks like a lot of rot in that one photo.
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Re: [MBZ] 1979 240D - 108k miles - $2,000

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Looks like a lot of rot in that one photo. 

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[MBZ] 1979 240D - 108k miles - $2,000

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Looks pretty nice in the photos, if it's not rusty that's not a bad deal. 
Cracked dash but I've seen worse.

Probably needs an italian tuneup and a little TLC.

https://columbus.craigslist.org/cto/d/columbus-1979-mercedes-240d-w123/7616080549.html
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[MBZ] OK Don do you want me to check this out while I’m looking at that 126 tomorrow?

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Re: [MBZ] tach amp

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

That was the final straw that drove me to sell my W123 wagon.

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> > I'm honestly not sure if it's the pin/socket contacts that are bad or
> the amplifier circuit.
>
> The hokey pin/socket arrangement is by far the biggest culprit.  But, it's
> middle-aged
> VDO electronics which can also have solder and/or capacitor problems.  It
> _is_ curable,
> but a PITA.
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Re: [MBZ] tach amp

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> I'm honestly not sure if it's the pin/socket contacts that are bad or the 
> amplifier circuit.

The hokey pin/socket arrangement is by far the biggest culprit.  But, it's 
middle-aged
VDO electronics which can also have solder and/or capacitor problems.  It _is_ 
curable,
but a PITA.

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Re: [MBZ] tach amp

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

I know. I’ve been dealing with these since my first MB (1979 300TD) in 1988.

I never took up smoking, either.

-D

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Dan, the cig butts do the trick temporarily.  I've tried multiple butts when 
the tach dies, but eventually nothing helps.

On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 1:01 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
Hence my comment about resoldering or buying a pack of Marlboros. It usually 
took a couple of cigarette butts to do the trick.

-D

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 wrote:

I was told once that old timers would put a cigarette butt in the top of
the amp to push contacts together.

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 wrote:

In my cars (W123 and W116 OM617 diesels), the dashboard gauge works, it's
the amplifier that's flakey.

On Mon, May 1, 2023, at 10:45, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
My '85 arrived with a dead tachometer.  I was able to purchase the last
tachometer/clock gauge in the USA from the Classic Center.  They are
discontinued.  The '84-85 models do not have a tach amp.

On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 11:35 AM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com>>
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IIRC, the (tach amplifier) circuit is right out of the application notes
for the main IC used in the thing.

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Re: [MBZ] tach amp

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Dan, the cig butts do the trick temporarily.  I've tried multiple butts
when the tach dies, but eventually nothing helps.

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> Hence my comment about resoldering or buying a pack of Marlboros. It
> usually took a couple of cigarette butts to do the trick.
>
> -D
>
> On May 1, 2023, at 9:50 AM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> I was told once that old timers would put a cigarette butt in the top of
> the amp to push contacts together.
>
> On Mon, May 1, 2023, 12:40 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> In my cars (W123 and W116 OM617 diesels), the dashboard gauge works, it's
> the amplifier that's flakey.
>
> On Mon, May 1, 2023, at 10:45, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> My '85 arrived with a dead tachometer.  I was able to purchase the last
> tachometer/clock gauge in the USA from the Classic Center.  They are
> discontinued.  The '84-85 models do not have a tach amp.
>
> On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 11:35 AM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> IIRC, the (tach amplifier) circuit is right out of the application notes
> for the main IC used in the thing.
>
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] tach amp

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Hence my comment about resoldering or buying a pack of Marlboros. It usually 
took a couple of cigarette butts to do the trick.

-D

On May 1, 2023, at 9:50 AM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

I was told once that old timers would put a cigarette butt in the top of
the amp to push contacts together.

On Mon, May 1, 2023, 12:40 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

In my cars (W123 and W116 OM617 diesels), the dashboard gauge works, it's
the amplifier that's flakey.

On Mon, May 1, 2023, at 10:45, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
My '85 arrived with a dead tachometer.  I was able to purchase the last
tachometer/clock gauge in the USA from the Classic Center.  They are
discontinued.  The '84-85 models do not have a tach amp.

On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 11:35 AM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

IIRC, the (tach amplifier) circuit is right out of the application notes
for the main IC used in the thing.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] tach amp

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Yeah I've done that several times. Also cleaned the contact socket, the pins, 
with contact cleaner.  Also tried tightening up the pin/socket interface in 
several ways. It all works for a short time and then stops again.

I'm honestly not sure if it's the pin/socket contacts that are bad or the 
amplifier circuit.


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> I was told once that old timers would put a cigarette butt in the top of the 
> amp to push contacts together.
> 
> On Mon, May 1, 2023, 12:40 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
>> In my cars (W123 and W116 OM617 diesels), the dashboard gauge works, it's 
>> the amplifier that's flakey.
>> 
>> On Mon, May 1, 2023, at 10:45, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>> > My '85 arrived with a dead tachometer.  I was able to purchase the last
>> > tachometer/clock gauge in the USA from the Classic Center.  They are
>> > discontinued.  The '84-85 models do not have a tach amp.
>> >
>> > On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 11:35 AM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
>> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> IIRC, the (tach amplifier) circuit is right out of the application notes
>> >> for the main IC used in the thing.
>> >>
>> >> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] tach amp

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

That works for awhile but eventually nothing works and you have to
disassemble and repair the amp.

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> I was told once that old timers would put a cigarette butt in the top of
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>
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>
> > In my cars (W123 and W116 OM617 diesels), the dashboard gauge works, it's
> > the amplifier that's flakey.
> >
> > On Mon, May 1, 2023, at 10:45, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > > My '85 arrived with a dead tachometer.  I was able to purchase the last
> > > tachometer/clock gauge in the USA from the Classic Center.  They are
> > > discontinued.  The '84-85 models do not have a tach amp.
> > >
> > > On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 11:35 AM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> IIRC, the (tach amplifier) circuit is right out of the application
> notes
> > >> for the main IC used in the thing.
> > >>
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Re: [MBZ] tach amp

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I was told once that old timers would put a cigarette butt in the top of
the amp to push contacts together.

On Mon, May 1, 2023, 12:40 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> In my cars (W123 and W116 OM617 diesels), the dashboard gauge works, it's
> the amplifier that's flakey.
>
> On Mon, May 1, 2023, at 10:45, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > My '85 arrived with a dead tachometer.  I was able to purchase the last
> > tachometer/clock gauge in the USA from the Classic Center.  They are
> > discontinued.  The '84-85 models do not have a tach amp.
> >
> > On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 11:35 AM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> IIRC, the (tach amplifier) circuit is right out of the application notes
> >> for the main IC used in the thing.
> >>
> >> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Kaleb, Di d You See This?

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Looks like a - possibly green - W126.  Hurry!

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> Yes, going to look at it tomorrow. Interested to see what that other car
> is in the background.
>
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> > Snap it up, buddy boy. You’re getting adept at messing around with
> those fuel systems, yes?
> >
> > AZBob
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> >>
> >> No I did not see that, I will have to check it out.
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Bornite

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

For '83 and earlier the gauge in the cluster merely reads the signal send
by the tachometer amplifier.  In my '85 300SD car the tach gauge was
totally unresponsive and could only be fixed by replacing the dash unit
(clock/tach gauge).

On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 12:40 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
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> In my cars (W123 and W116 OM617 diesels), the dashboard gauge works, it's
> the amplifier that's flakey.
>
> On Mon, May 1, 2023, at 10:45, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > My '85 arrived with a dead tachometer.  I was able to purchase the last
> > tachometer/clock gauge in the USA from the Classic Center.  They are
> > discontinued.  The '84-85 models do not have a tach amp.
> >
> > On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 11:35 AM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> IIRC, the (tach amplifier) circuit is right out of the application notes
> >> for the main IC used in the thing.
> >>
> >> -- Jim
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Kaleb, Di d You See This?

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Yes, going to look at it tomorrow. Interested to see what that other car is in 
the background. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 1, 2023, at 11:39 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
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> fuel systems, yes?
> 
> AZBob
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On May 1, 2023, at 6:32 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> No I did not see that, I will have to check it out. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Bornite

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

In my cars (W123 and W116 OM617 diesels), the dashboard gauge works, it's the 
amplifier that's flakey.

On Mon, May 1, 2023, at 10:45, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> My '85 arrived with a dead tachometer.  I was able to purchase the last
> tachometer/clock gauge in the USA from the Classic Center.  They are
> discontinued.  The '84-85 models do not have a tach amp.
>
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>> IIRC, the (tach amplifier) circuit is right out of the application notes
>> for the main IC used in the thing.
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Re: [MBZ] Typical SW FL Car

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Definitely a roll of the dice. A lot depends on how quickly it was mitigated, 
that is, stuff pulled out and dried out as quickly as possible. On the minimal 
experience I have, it’s near impossible to get the odor of mildew out of the 
sound deadening material on the floor and the insulation under the seats, so I 
would be looking for that and if it’s present to see if it’s brand new. That 
would also indicate a major effort on the part of the owner, as in the cases 
I’ve seen people tend to just pull stuff out and toss it rather than replace it.

-D

> On May 1, 2023, at 9:34 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
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> Would have to do a detailed inspection, look in the footwell and the lowest 
> areas of the car like in the trunk and beneath seats to see if there is any 
> evidence of water intrusion, pull some modules and see if any corrosion is 
> starting.  A scan might show some stored codes for low power in various 
> modules but that can't always be trusted.
> 
> -_FT
> 
> On 5/1/23 12:25 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> Always a possibility. Especially since anything that got douched during the 
>> hurricane got it done with either brackish or salt water.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On May 1, 2023, at 9:01 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
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>>> 
 But if all the electronics are in working order, then no harm/no foul?
>>> Ticking timebomb of corrosion fun?
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Kaleb, Di d You See This?

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Snap it up, buddy boy. You’re getting adept at messing around with those fuel 
systems, yes?

AZBob

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> On May 1, 2023, at 6:32 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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> No I did not see that, I will have to check it out. 
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Re: [MBZ] Bornite

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Yes, I would be interested to know.

Allan

On Mon, May 1, 2023, at 08:44, MG via Mercedes wrote:
> I got one years ago for my 83 300TD. A guy made 
> them with micro electronics. It still works. If 
> you want I'll try and find out if they are still 
> available.
>
> Manfred
>
> Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
>> Sure, that works for a day or two.
>> 
>> Here's a thread about resoldering them.
>> 
>> https://www.benzworld.org/threads/the-permanent-tachometer-amplifier-fix.1652194/
>> 
>> Was hoping someone made a more reliable replacement, but I guess at this 
>> point there isn't much of a market for that.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, Apr 30, 2023, at 20:02, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Pack of Marlboro’s? Just one or two are needed.
>>>
>>> -D
>>>
 On Apr 30, 2023, at 5:12 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
  wrote:

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> Another one is the silly tachometer sending unit on the models in the 
> early
> 80s.
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Re: [MBZ] Typical SW FL Car

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Would have to do a detailed inspection, look in the footwell and the 
lowest areas of the car like in the trunk and beneath seats to see if 
there is any evidence of water intrusion, pull some modules and see if 
any corrosion is starting.  A scan might show some stored codes for low 
power in various modules but that can't always be trusted.


-_FT

On 5/1/23 12:25 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

Always a possibility. Especially since anything that got douched during the 
hurricane got it done with either brackish or salt water.

-D


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But if all the electronics are in working order, then no harm/no foul?

Ticking timebomb of corrosion fun?

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Re: [MBZ] Typical SW FL Car

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Always a possibility. Especially since anything that got douched during the 
hurricane got it done with either brackish or salt water.

-D

> On May 1, 2023, at 9:01 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
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>> But if all the electronics are in working order, then no harm/no foul?
> 
> Ticking timebomb of corrosion fun?
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Re: [MBZ] Typical SW FL Car

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> But if all the electronics are in working order, then no harm/no foul?

Ticking timebomb of corrosion fun?

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[MBZ] Looks nice -- 2007 MERCEDES BENZ E320 BLUETECH DIESEL - $6, 900 (Jacksonville)

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142kmi Not an unreasonable price.

https://jacksonville.craigslist.org/ctd/d/jacksonville-2007-mercedes-benz-e320/7616365161.html

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Re: [MBZ] Not sure about the engine - back when it was running it was always putting out white smoke. 1992 mercedes 300SD - $2, 800 (greenville)

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Doesn't that mean a new Pope has been chosen?

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>   Looks decent.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Bornite

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It is likely your old tach is repairable.  Caps, etc.

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[MBZ] Not sure about the engine - back when it was running it was always putting out white smoke. 1992 mercedes 300SD - $2, 800 (greenville)

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 Looks decent.

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Re: [MBZ] Bornite

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My '85 arrived with a dead tachometer.  I was able to purchase the last
tachometer/clock gauge in the USA from the Classic Center.  They are
discontinued.  The '84-85 models do not have a tach amp.

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Re: [MBZ] Typical SW FL Car

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But if all the electronics are in working order, then no harm/no foul?

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> You can do a pretty good job of hiding it, but with all the electronics
> that live in places like the footwell of the passenger seat it’s tough to
> resolve without replacing parts. Same with things under the rear seat, like
> SAMs.
>
> -D
>
> On May 1, 2023, at 8:34 AM, Andrew Strasfogel  > wrote:
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> Is it possible to completely hide/undo the telltale signs of a vehicle
> having been recently submerged?
>
> On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 9:58 AM dan penoff.com via
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> I thought about that as well.
>
> -D
>
> > On May 1, 2023, at 6:56 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
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> > I wonder if it received a good rinse in the recent past
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
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> >> On May 1, 2023, at 9:23 AM, dan penoff.com via
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> >> Probably a snowbird car. Price is very optimistic.
> >>
> >>
> https://fortmyers.craigslist.org/lee/cto/d/fort-myers-mercedes/7616297959.html
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Re: [MBZ] Typical SW FL Car

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You can do a pretty good job of hiding it, but with all the electronics that 
live in places like the footwell of the passenger seat it’s tough to resolve 
without replacing parts. Same with things under the rear seat, like SAMs.

-D

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Is it possible to completely hide/undo the telltale signs of a vehicle having 
been recently submerged?

On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 9:58 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
I thought about that as well.

-D

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> I wonder if it received a good rinse in the recent past
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> Sent from my iPad
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>> Probably a snowbird car. Price is very optimistic.
>>
>> https://fortmyers.craigslist.org/lee/cto/d/fort-myers-mercedes/7616297959.html
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Re: [MBZ] Typical SW FL Car

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Is it possible to completely hide/undo the telltale signs of a vehicle
having been recently submerged?

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> I thought about that as well.
>
> -D
>
> > On May 1, 2023, at 6:56 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
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> >
> > I wonder if it received a good rinse in the recent past
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
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> >> On May 1, 2023, at 9:23 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
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> >>
> >> Probably a snowbird car. Price is very optimistic.
> >>
> >>
> https://fortmyers.craigslist.org/lee/cto/d/fort-myers-mercedes/7616297959.html
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Re: [MBZ] Bornite

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IIRC, the (tach amplifier) circuit is right out of the application notes
for the main IC used in the thing.

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Re: [MBZ] Recently got this from Marketplace, as I always wanted a yellow wagon. 1982 Mercedes-Benz 300d, $2, 700

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Those wheels will; have to go...

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[MBZ] Tossing around the idea of selling 1966 Mercedes-Benz 230s, $5, 000

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see for yourself

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[MBZ] is brand new in every way is perfect in anyway. 2008 Mercedes-Benz r320cdi, $5, 900

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Driven 248,000 miles

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[MBZ] Recently got this from Marketplace, as I always wanted a yellow wagon. 1982 Mercedes-Benz 300d, $2, 700

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Re: [MBZ] Typical SW FL Car

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I thought about that as well.

-D

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>> On May 1, 2023, at 9:23 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
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>> 
>> Probably a snowbird car. Price is very optimistic.
>> 
>> https://fortmyers.craigslist.org/lee/cto/d/fort-myers-mercedes/7616297959.html
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I wonder if it received a good rinse in the recent past

Sent from my iPad

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Re: [MBZ] Bornite

[MG via Mercedes]

I got one years ago for my 83 300TD. A guy made 
them with micro electronics. It still works. If 
you want I'll try and find out if they are still 
available.


Manfred

Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

Sure, that works for a day or two.

Here's a thread about resoldering them.

https://www.benzworld.org/threads/the-permanent-tachometer-amplifier-fix.1652194/

Was hoping someone made a more reliable replacement, but I guess at this point 
there isn't much of a market for that.



On Sun, Apr 30, 2023, at 20:02, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

Pack of Marlboro’s? Just one or two are needed.

-D


On Apr 30, 2023, at 5:12 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes  
wrote:

On Sun, Apr 30, 2023, at 19:09, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:


Another one is the silly tachometer sending unit on the models in the early
80s.

Did anyone ever make a reliable replacement for those?


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Re: [MBZ] Kaleb, Di d You See This?

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

No I did not see that, I will have to check it out. 

Sent from my iPhone

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[MBZ] Kaleb, Di d You See This?

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

https://www.benzworld.org/threads/1987-420-sel.3119393/

-D
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[MBZ] Typical SW FL Car

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Probably a snowbird car. Price is very optimistic.

https://fortmyers.craigslist.org/lee/cto/d/fort-myers-mercedes/7616297959.html

-D
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