Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 no glow/no start

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

that car (300D 2.5T) will start without glow.

On Sat, May 6, 2023, 10:15 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
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> An OM60x ought to start without glow plugs if it's reasonably warm. Did
> you let it crank for a couple seconds?
> That '78 240D that had been Dwight's absolutely would not start without
> glow but all my 190Ds would...
> Curt
>
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>
>   On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 8:59 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes<
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:   The 1990 300D 2.5 Turbo would not start
> this morning. I suspected it wouldn’t as the glow plug light did not
> illuminate. I inspected the glow plug strip fuse which looked fine, but as
> we all know it can look fine but be cracked so I lightly pushed on it and
> sure enough it was cracked - or perhaps it was about to crack and the light
> pressure of my finger accelerated the inevitable. Anyway, I sourced a new
> one through Advance Auto. They were able to get one from worldpac same day.
> I installed it this evening feeling confident that I fixed the problem but
> unfortunately, I didn’t. My next guess is the glow plug relay.
>
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[MBZ] 1997 SL500 - 60k miles - $10,000

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Looks like it might be nice. Is this one of the years to watch for 
biodegradable wiring?

https://indianapolis.craigslist.org/cto/d/pittsboro-1997-mercedes-benz-sl500/7618121539.html
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Re: [MBZ] This Car is From a Video Game

[mitch--- via Mercedes]

On 2023-05-06 16:30, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/3514191195482559/

I have a very nice 1992 mercedes benz 190e this is the popular car
from the need for speed game


Somebody advertised an Evolution II on Facebutt?

https://mensgear.b-cdn.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/AAP-Rocky-NFS-Unbound-Mercedes-Benz-190E-.jpg

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[MBZ] 1975 450 SL - 62k miles - $6,000

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

It has rust on the floors but clean paint on the outside.

https://chicago.craigslist.org/nch/cto/d/niles-1975-mercedes-benz-450-sl/7618368813.html
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Re: [MBZ] O.T. Making a Mistake, Voiding a Warranty

[greg via Mercedes]

Or, if he drained it into a CLEAN container, just pour it back in!


> If he drained it into a container, let it cool to ambient temperature,
> measure how much was drained out, and put that same amount back.
>



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Re: [MBZ] O.T. Making a Mistake, Voiding a Warranty

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Definitely use the proper CVT oil for that transmission, preferably Subaru, or 
at least OE. Regular ATF is not compatible with CVTs.

On Sat, May 6, 2023, at 10:35, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> AFAIK changing fluids can't void your warranty as long as you put in 
> the right amount of the right stuff. Keep receipts to prove that it is 
> the right stuff.
> If Subaru fluid is used I'd keep my yap shut about it at the 
> dealership, how are they going to know?
> I suspect the proper Subaru stuff has a tracer in it so they can test 
> it for warranty purposes. CVTs are known to be sensitive to fluid 
> quality and change interval.
> Curt
>
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>   On Sat, May 6, 2023 at 11:31 AM, Bob Rentfro via 
> Mercedes wrote:   Oh boy….we have a marriage on 
> the rocks in Illinois.
> My brother-in-law, in an effort to change the oil on my sister’s new 
> (5900 miles) Outback Wilderness, drained the CVT fluid by mistake.  
> I’ve been coaching him via FaceTime on getting it filled back up while 
> I’ve been encouraging my sister not to plunge a spade thru his sternum 
> as he’s laying under the car. 
> As you would expect, this is a temperature dependent thing (CVT @ 100 
> degrees F) to ensure proper level. I’m not sure how or if Glenny will 
> mind the temperature that closely.
>
> Will this void their warranty? On these things the CVT fluid gets 
> changed at 30K miles. Do I really need to drive home to him that 
> getting the temp of the CVT to 100 degrees F or ensure proper level is 
> a big deal? My sister is, as the kids say, flipping her shit, thinking 
> that, at the very least, Glenny has voided their warranty, and at the 
> very worse, “ruined the only car I’ve ever loved.”
>
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Re: [MBZ] O.T. Making a Mistake, Voiding a Warranty

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

If he drained it into a container, let it cool to ambient temperature, measure 
how much was drained out, and put that same amount back.

On Sat, May 6, 2023, at 10:44, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
> Glenny can go to Harbor Freight and buy a cheap IR thermometer (or one 
> of those oven thermometers on a wire that can go down the fill tube) to 
> point at the transmission case and when it reaches 100F take the level 
> measurement and then the sister can rest easy that All Is Good With The 
> World, Glenny has not destroyed her baby, and the Subaru Warranty Gods 
> will be appeased.  If he used the correct fluid (which is likely very 
> specific and fairly expensive) no one will know he changed it.
>
> --FT
>
>
>
> On 5/6/23 11:30 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
>> Oh boy….we have a marriage on the rocks in Illinois.
>> My brother-in-law, in an effort to change the oil on my sister’s new (5900 
>> miles) Outback Wilderness, drained the CVT fluid by mistake.  I’ve been 
>> coaching him via FaceTime on getting it filled back up while I’ve been 
>> encouraging my sister not to plunge a spade thru his sternum as he’s laying 
>> under the car.
>> As you would expect, this is a temperature dependent thing (CVT @ 100 
>> degrees F) to ensure proper level. I’m not sure how or if Glenny will mind 
>> the temperature that closely.
>>
>> Will this void their warranty? On these things the CVT fluid gets changed at 
>> 30K miles. Do I really need to drive home to him that getting the temp of 
>> the CVT to 100 degrees F or ensure proper level is a big deal? My sister is, 
>> as the kids say, flipping her shit, thinking that, at the very least, Glenny 
>> has voided their warranty, and at the very worse, “ruined the only car I’ve 
>> ever loved.”
>>
>> AZBob
>>
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Re: [MBZ] 1985 500SL - 61k miles - $14,600

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> Looks nice! I need some exhaust tips just like on that car.  Who sells them?

Those look stock to me.  Perhaps polished?

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] What Color is This Exactly

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Signal red.

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> Red
>
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
>
> On May 6, 2023, at 4:32 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> 
>
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/6319937448057389/
>
>
>
> Haven’t seen this color too often.
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Maybe $200....

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Good way to start a war with the Archduke is to make an offer like that --FTSent from iFōnOn May 6, 2023, at 4:36 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  wrote:https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/258845436521681/ AZBob Sent from Mail for Windows 

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Re: [MBZ] What Color is This Exactly

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Red--FTSent from iFōnOn May 6, 2023, at 4:32 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  wrote:https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/6319937448057389/ Haven’t seen this color too often. AZBob Sent from Mail for Windows 

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Re: [MBZ] This Car is From a Video Game

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Live a real AND virtual life!--FTSent from iFōnOn May 6, 2023, at 4:31 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  wrote:https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/3514191195482559/ I have a very nice 1992 mercedes benz 190e this is the popular car from the need for speed game AZBob Sent from Mail for Windows 

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[MBZ] Maybe $200....

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/258845436521681/ AZBob Sent from Mail for Windows 

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[MBZ] What Color is This Exactly

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/6319937448057389/ Haven’t seen this color too often. AZBob Sent from Mail for Windows 

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[MBZ] This Car is From a Video Game

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/3514191195482559/ I have a very nice 1992 mercedes benz 190e this is the popular car from the need for speed game AZBob Sent from Mail for Windows 

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Re: [MBZ] 1985 500SL - 61k miles - $14,600

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Looks nice! I need some exhaust tips just like on that car.  Who sells them?

On Sat, May 6, 2023 at 3:27 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Pretty low miles, and looks nice.
>
>
> https://cincinnati.craigslist.org/cto/d/cincinnati-1985-mercedes-benz-sl-class/7618334339.html
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[MBZ] 1985 500SL - 61k miles - $14,600

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Pretty low miles, and looks nice.

https://cincinnati.craigslist.org/cto/d/cincinnati-1985-mercedes-benz-sl-class/7618334339.html
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[MBZ] 300d 2.5 no start

[RICK HAWKINS via Mercedes]

Folks

Can you just put some power directly to the glow plugs and start it right up

Xx rick

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Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 no glow/no start

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> would there be any harm in using a 30 amp fuse temporarily? Worst case it 
> will just fail prematurely?

If you define prematurely as immediately.  30A will barely run _one_ glow plug, 
if cold.
In a pinch, I've used wire from CAT5 cable.  As many strands in parallel as it 
takes to
survive a cold start.  But no more than that.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 no glow/no start

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I wager it is the GP relay.

On Sat, May 6, 2023 at 10:29 AM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Oh right. I’m not thinking! Thank you.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On May 6, 2023, at 8:12 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Turn on the ignition switch and look/listen for the relay to close. Put
> a volt meter on a GP and see if it gets electrons.
> >
> > —FT
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
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> >> On May 6, 2023, at 7:37 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> OK looking at more photos, the OE part does not have the fuse trip but
> the OEM part made by Hella does.  So how do I check if the relay is bad? Or
> can I just assume that it is for lack of another possible explanation?
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
>  On May 6, 2023, at 7:22 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I just pulled the cover off the gp relay and I don’t see a strip
> fuse. The pictures on line of the correct part all show a fuse strip.
> What’s going on here?
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> > On May 6, 2023, at 6:41 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>  Right. Makes sense.
> 
>  Sent from my iPhone
> 
> >> On May 5, 2023, at 11:49 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Probably the strip fuse for the blower motor.
> >
> > -D
> >
> >>> On May 5, 2023, at 7:37 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> So after some more research, I think I may have replaced another
> strip fuse- one perhaps for the hvac. It sits in a little box on the left
> strut tower and I think it’s 30 amps. That’s what I bought from advance
> auto (30 amps). I believe the glow plug relay strip fuse is located in the
> glow plug relay and is 80 amps. Once I check the fuse in the gp relay and
> determine (possibly) it to be bad, would there be any harm in using a 30
> amp fuse temporarily? Worst case it will just fail prematurely?
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
>  On May 5, 2023, at 10:03 PM, Dwight Giles 
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> 
> >>> if I recall correctly I had that issue with that car. I do
> remember changing the relay at least once
> >>>
>  On Fri, May 5, 2023, 8:59 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>  The 1990 300D 2.5 Turbo would not start this morning. I suspected
> it wouldn’t as the glow plug light did not illuminate. I inspected the glow
> plug strip fuse which looked fine, but as we all know it can look fine but
> be cracked so I lightly pushed on it and sure enough it was cracked - or
> perhaps it was about to crack and the light pressure of my finger
> accelerated the inevitable. Anyway, I sourced a new one through Advance
> Auto. They were able to get one from worldpac same day. I installed it this
> evening feeling confident that I fixed the problem but unfortunately, I
> didn’t. My next guess is the glow plug relay.
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Re: [MBZ] O.T. Making a Mistake, Voiding a Warranty

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Glenny can go to Harbor Freight and buy a cheap IR thermometer (or one 
of those oven thermometers on a wire that can go down the fill tube) to 
point at the transmission case and when it reaches 100F take the level 
measurement and then the sister can rest easy that All Is Good With The 
World, Glenny has not destroyed her baby, and the Subaru Warranty Gods 
will be appeased.  If he used the correct fluid (which is likely very 
specific and fairly expensive) no one will know he changed it.


--FT



On 5/6/23 11:30 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:

Oh boy….we have a marriage on the rocks in Illinois.
My brother-in-law, in an effort to change the oil on my sister’s new (5900 
miles) Outback Wilderness, drained the CVT fluid by mistake.  I’ve been 
coaching him via FaceTime on getting it filled back up while I’ve been 
encouraging my sister not to plunge a spade thru his sternum as he’s laying 
under the car.
As you would expect, this is a temperature dependent thing (CVT @ 100 degrees 
F) to ensure proper level. I’m not sure how or if Glenny will mind the 
temperature that closely.

Will this void their warranty? On these things the CVT fluid gets changed at 
30K miles. Do I really need to drive home to him that getting the temp of the 
CVT to 100 degrees F or ensure proper level is a big deal? My sister is, as the 
kids say, flipping her shit, thinking that, at the very least, Glenny has 
voided their warranty, and at the very worse, “ruined the only car I’ve ever 
loved.”

AZBob

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Re: [MBZ] O.T. Making a Mistake, Voiding a Warranty

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

AFAIK changing fluids can't void your warranty as long as you put in the right 
amount of the right stuff. Keep receipts to prove that it is the right stuff.
If Subaru fluid is used I'd keep my yap shut about it at the dealership, how 
are they going to know?
I suspect the proper Subaru stuff has a tracer in it so they can test it for 
warranty purposes. CVTs are known to be sensitive to fluid quality and change 
interval.
Curt

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  On Sat, May 6, 2023 at 11:31 AM, Bob Rentfro via 
Mercedes wrote:   Oh boy….we have a marriage on the 
rocks in Illinois.
My brother-in-law, in an effort to change the oil on my sister’s new (5900 
miles) Outback Wilderness, drained the CVT fluid by mistake.  I’ve been 
coaching him via FaceTime on getting it filled back up while I’ve been 
encouraging my sister not to plunge a spade thru his sternum as he’s laying 
under the car. 
As you would expect, this is a temperature dependent thing (CVT @ 100 degrees 
F) to ensure proper level. I’m not sure how or if Glenny will mind the 
temperature that closely.

Will this void their warranty? On these things the CVT fluid gets changed at 
30K miles. Do I really need to drive home to him that getting the temp of the 
CVT to 100 degrees F or ensure proper level is a big deal? My sister is, as the 
kids say, flipping her shit, thinking that, at the very least, Glenny has 
voided their warranty, and at the very worse, “ruined the only car I’ve ever 
loved.”

AZBob

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[MBZ] O.T. Making a Mistake, Voiding a Warranty

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

Oh boy….we have a marriage on the rocks in Illinois.
My brother-in-law, in an effort to change the oil on my sister’s new (5900 
miles) Outback Wilderness, drained the CVT fluid by mistake.  I’ve been 
coaching him via FaceTime on getting it filled back up while I’ve been 
encouraging my sister not to plunge a spade thru his sternum as he’s laying 
under the car. 
As you would expect, this is a temperature dependent thing (CVT @ 100 degrees 
F) to ensure proper level. I’m not sure how or if Glenny will mind the 
temperature that closely.

Will this void their warranty? On these things the CVT fluid gets changed at 
30K miles. Do I really need to drive home to him that getting the temp of the 
CVT to 100 degrees F or ensure proper level is a big deal? My sister is, as the 
kids say, flipping her shit, thinking that, at the very least, Glenny has 
voided their warranty, and at the very worse, “ruined the only car I’ve ever 
loved.”

AZBob

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[MBZ] Come find something wrong with it. 2008 Mercedes-Benz r-class, $8, 000

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

R320CDI with a hitch, looks very clean

Driven 240,000 miles

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/691211456104865

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[MBZ] Mercedes R350, , Has a Transmission problem. I cannot seem to have it resolved.

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

And likely engine too.

Very Clean Car. Has been sitting since December 2022 will need a jump to 
start. It will most likely need some sort of transmission work done but 
it is drivable. You can pay CASH and drive it away. This was my daily 
drive for 2 1/2 years.


I bought another car and want it GONE...out of my driveway.

First $2,500 takes it. Bring jumper cables

https://myrtlebeach.craigslist.org/cto/d/myrtle-beach-mercedes-benz-r350/7618220053.html

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[MBZ] full restoration done to it! 1982 Mercedes-Benz gd300, $36, 000

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

This is very cool

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Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 no glow/no start

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Oh right. I’m not thinking! Thank you.

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> On May 6, 2023, at 8:12 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Turn on the ignition switch and look/listen for the relay to close. Put a 
> volt meter on a GP and see if it gets electrons. 
> 
> —FT
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On May 6, 2023, at 7:37 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> OK looking at more photos, the OE part does not have the fuse trip but the 
>> OEM part made by Hella does.  So how do I check if the relay is bad? Or can 
>> I just assume that it is for lack of another possible explanation?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On May 6, 2023, at 7:22 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I just pulled the cover off the gp relay and I don’t see a strip fuse. The 
>>> pictures on line of the correct part all show a fuse strip. What’s going on 
>>> here?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On May 6, 2023, at 6:41 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
 
 Right. Makes sense.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
>> On May 5, 2023, at 11:49 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
> 
> Probably the strip fuse for the blower motor.
> 
> -D
> 
>>> On May 5, 2023, at 7:37 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>> 
>> So after some more research, I think I may have replaced another strip 
>> fuse- one perhaps for the hvac. It sits in a little box on the left 
>> strut tower and I think it’s 30 amps. That’s what I bought from advance 
>> auto (30 amps). I believe the glow plug relay strip fuse is located in 
>> the glow plug relay and is 80 amps. Once I check the fuse in the gp 
>> relay and determine (possibly) it to be bad, would there be any harm in 
>> using a 30 amp fuse temporarily? Worst case it will just fail 
>> prematurely?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On May 5, 2023, at 10:03 PM, Dwight Giles  
 wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> if I recall correctly I had that issue with that car. I do remember 
>>> changing the relay at least once
>>> 
 On Fri, May 5, 2023, 8:59 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 The 1990 300D 2.5 Turbo would not start this morning. I suspected it 
 wouldn’t as the glow plug light did not illuminate. I inspected the 
 glow plug strip fuse which looked fine, but as we all know it can look 
 fine but be cracked so I lightly pushed on it and sure enough it was 
 cracked - or perhaps it was about to crack and the light pressure of 
 my finger accelerated the inevitable. Anyway, I sourced a new one 
 through Advance Auto. They were able to get one from worldpac same 
 day. I installed it this evening feeling confident that I fixed the 
 problem but unfortunately, I didn’t. My next guess is the glow plug 
 relay.
 
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Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 no glow/no start

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

I tried for a few seconds but no luck. I didn’t try super hard.

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> On May 6, 2023, at 10:14 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> An OM60x ought to start without glow plugs if it's reasonably warm. Did you 
> let it crank for a couple seconds?
> 
> That '78 240D that had been Dwight's absolutely would not start without glow 
> but all my 190Ds would...
> 
> Curt
> 
> 
> 
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> On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 8:59 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> The 1990 300D 2.5 Turbo would not start this morning. I suspected it wouldn’t 
> as the glow plug light did not illuminate. I inspected the glow plug strip 
> fuse which looked fine, but as we all know it can look fine but be cracked so 
> I lightly pushed on it and sure enough it was cracked - or perhaps it was 
> about to crack and the light pressure of my finger accelerated the 
> inevitable. Anyway, I sourced a new one through Advance Auto. They were able 
> to get one from worldpac same day. I installed it this evening feeling 
> confident that I fixed the problem but unfortunately, I didn’t. My next guess 
> is the glow plug relay.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 no glow/no start

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

An OM60x ought to start without glow plugs if it's reasonably warm. Did you let 
it crank for a couple seconds?
That '78 240D that had been Dwight's absolutely would not start without glow 
but all my 190Ds would...
Curt



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  On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 8:59 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via 
Mercedes wrote:   The 1990 300D 2.5 Turbo would not 
start this morning. I suspected it wouldn’t as the glow plug light did not 
illuminate. I inspected the glow plug strip fuse which looked fine, but as we 
all know it can look fine but be cracked so I lightly pushed on it and sure 
enough it was cracked - or perhaps it was about to crack and the light pressure 
of my finger accelerated the inevitable. Anyway, I sourced a new one through 
Advance Auto. They were able to get one from worldpac same day. I installed it 
this evening feeling confident that I fixed the problem but unfortunately, I 
didn’t. My next guess is the glow plug relay.

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Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 no glow/no start

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Turn on the ignition switch and look/listen for the relay to close. Put a volt 
meter on a GP and see if it gets electrons. 

—FT

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> On May 6, 2023, at 7:37 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> OK looking at more photos, the OE part does not have the fuse trip but the 
> OEM part made by Hella does.  So how do I check if the relay is bad? Or can I 
> just assume that it is for lack of another possible explanation?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 6, 2023, at 7:22 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I just pulled the cover off the gp relay and I don’t see a strip fuse. The 
>> pictures on line of the correct part all show a fuse strip. What’s going on 
>> here?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On May 6, 2023, at 6:41 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Right. Makes sense.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On May 5, 2023, at 11:49 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
 
 Probably the strip fuse for the blower motor.
 
 -D
 
>> On May 5, 2023, at 7:37 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
> 
> So after some more research, I think I may have replaced another strip 
> fuse- one perhaps for the hvac. It sits in a little box on the left strut 
> tower and I think it’s 30 amps. That’s what I bought from advance auto 
> (30 amps). I believe the glow plug relay strip fuse is located in the 
> glow plug relay and is 80 amps. Once I check the fuse in the gp relay and 
> determine (possibly) it to be bad, would there be any harm in using a 30 
> amp fuse temporarily? Worst case it will just fail prematurely?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On May 5, 2023, at 10:03 PM, Dwight Giles  
>>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> if I recall correctly I had that issue with that car. I do remember 
>> changing the relay at least once
>> 
>>> On Fri, May 5, 2023, 8:59 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> The 1990 300D 2.5 Turbo would not start this morning. I suspected it 
>>> wouldn’t as the glow plug light did not illuminate. I inspected the 
>>> glow plug strip fuse which looked fine, but as we all know it can look 
>>> fine but be cracked so I lightly pushed on it and sure enough it was 
>>> cracked - or perhaps it was about to crack and the light pressure of my 
>>> finger accelerated the inevitable. Anyway, I sourced a new one through 
>>> Advance Auto. They were able to get one from worldpac same day. I 
>>> installed it this evening feeling confident that I fixed the problem 
>>> but unfortunately, I didn’t. My next guess is the glow plug relay.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 no glow/no start

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

OK looking at more photos, the OE part does not have the fuse trip but the OEM 
part made by Hella does.  So how do I check if the relay is bad? Or can I just 
assume that it is for lack of another possible explanation?

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 6, 2023, at 7:22 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I just pulled the cover off the gp relay and I don’t see a strip fuse. The 
> pictures on line of the correct part all show a fuse strip. What’s going on 
> here?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 6, 2023, at 6:41 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Right. Makes sense.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On May 5, 2023, at 11:49 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Probably the strip fuse for the blower motor.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
> On May 5, 2023, at 7:37 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
 
 So after some more research, I think I may have replaced another strip 
 fuse- one perhaps for the hvac. It sits in a little box on the left strut 
 tower and I think it’s 30 amps. That’s what I bought from advance auto (30 
 amps). I believe the glow plug relay strip fuse is located in the glow 
 plug relay and is 80 amps. Once I check the fuse in the gp relay and 
 determine (possibly) it to be bad, would there be any harm in using a 30 
 amp fuse temporarily? Worst case it will just fail prematurely?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
>> On May 5, 2023, at 10:03 PM, Dwight Giles  wrote:
> 
> 
> if I recall correctly I had that issue with that car. I do remember 
> changing the relay at least once
> 
>> On Fri, May 5, 2023, 8:59 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> The 1990 300D 2.5 Turbo would not start this morning. I suspected it 
>> wouldn’t as the glow plug light did not illuminate. I inspected the glow 
>> plug strip fuse which looked fine, but as we all know it can look fine 
>> but be cracked so I lightly pushed on it and sure enough it was cracked 
>> - or perhaps it was about to crack and the light pressure of my finger 
>> accelerated the inevitable. Anyway, I sourced a new one through Advance 
>> Auto. They were able to get one from worldpac same day. I installed it 
>> this evening feeling confident that I fixed the problem but 
>> unfortunately, I didn’t. My next guess is the glow plug relay.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 no glow/no start

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

I just pulled the cover off the gp relay and I don’t see a strip fuse. The 
pictures on line of the correct part all show a fuse strip. What’s going on 
here?

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 6, 2023, at 6:41 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Right. Makes sense.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 5, 2023, at 11:49 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Probably the strip fuse for the blower motor.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
 On May 5, 2023, at 7:37 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> So after some more research, I think I may have replaced another strip 
>>> fuse- one perhaps for the hvac. It sits in a little box on the left strut 
>>> tower and I think it’s 30 amps. That’s what I bought from advance auto (30 
>>> amps). I believe the glow plug relay strip fuse is located in the glow plug 
>>> relay and is 80 amps. Once I check the fuse in the gp relay and determine 
>>> (possibly) it to be bad, would there be any harm in using a 30 amp fuse 
>>> temporarily? Worst case it will just fail prematurely?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On May 5, 2023, at 10:03 PM, Dwight Giles  wrote:
 
 
 if I recall correctly I had that issue with that car. I do remember 
 changing the relay at least once
 
> On Fri, May 5, 2023, 8:59 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> The 1990 300D 2.5 Turbo would not start this morning. I suspected it 
> wouldn’t as the glow plug light did not illuminate. I inspected the glow 
> plug strip fuse which looked fine, but as we all know it can look fine 
> but be cracked so I lightly pushed on it and sure enough it was cracked - 
> or perhaps it was about to crack and the light pressure of my finger 
> accelerated the inevitable. Anyway, I sourced a new one through Advance 
> Auto. They were able to get one from worldpac same day. I installed it 
> this evening feeling confident that I fixed the problem but 
> unfortunately, I didn’t. My next guess is the glow plug relay.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 no glow/no start

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Right. Makes sense.

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> On May 5, 2023, at 11:49 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Probably the strip fuse for the blower motor.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On May 5, 2023, at 7:37 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> So after some more research, I think I may have replaced another strip fuse- 
>> one perhaps for the hvac. It sits in a little box on the left strut tower 
>> and I think it’s 30 amps. That’s what I bought from advance auto (30 amps). 
>> I believe the glow plug relay strip fuse is located in the glow plug relay 
>> and is 80 amps. Once I check the fuse in the gp relay and determine 
>> (possibly) it to be bad, would there be any harm in using a 30 amp fuse 
>> temporarily? Worst case it will just fail prematurely?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On May 5, 2023, at 10:03 PM, Dwight Giles  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> if I recall correctly I had that issue with that car. I do remember 
>>> changing the relay at least once
>>> 
 On Fri, May 5, 2023, 8:59 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 The 1990 300D 2.5 Turbo would not start this morning. I suspected it 
 wouldn’t as the glow plug light did not illuminate. I inspected the glow 
 plug strip fuse which looked fine, but as we all know it can look fine but 
 be cracked so I lightly pushed on it and sure enough it was cracked - or 
 perhaps it was about to crack and the light pressure of my finger 
 accelerated the inevitable. Anyway, I sourced a new one through Advance 
 Auto. They were able to get one from worldpac same day. I installed it 
 this evening feeling confident that I fixed the problem but unfortunately, 
 I didn’t. My next guess is the glow plug relay.
 
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