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No featured details on the $3k unit. I’ll pass!

—FT

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>  wrote:
> 
> Keep the stereo and I'll take the car for $1,500.
> 
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[MBZ] RANT: FB Marketplace

Yeah, I know, we’ve all heard this before, but…

I’m changing some landscaping in the front of the Florida house, and as a 
result I have a bunch of these border blocks that we used to go around an area 
in front of the house.

My Marketplace ad has the quantity, a description with pictures, and my 
(general) location.

I got four responses for these overnight. Three of the four ask:

“How many are there?”; and

“Where are you located?”

I responded to all, “Read the ad.” Two people got nasty with me.

The lack of intelligence of the general populace is disturbing. Really.

-D
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Re: [MBZ] RANT: FB Marketplace

What is you’re loest price?  Is this still available?

—FT

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> On May 20, 2023, at 8:46 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yeah, I know, we’ve all heard this before, but…
> 
> I’m changing some landscaping in the front of the Florida house, and as a 
> result I have a bunch of these border blocks that we used to go around an 
> area in front of the house.
> 
> My Marketplace ad has the quantity, a description with pictures, and my 
> (general) location.
> 
> I got four responses for these overnight. Three of the four ask:
> 
> “How many are there?”; and
> 
> “Where are you located?”
> 
> I responded to all, “Read the ad.” Two people got nasty with me.
> 
> The lack of intelligence of the general populace is disturbing. Really.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] RANT: FB Marketplace

Of course they all did the “Is this still available?” thing, too. < facepalm > 
One of the three that responded also asked the price (which was clearly listed 
in the ad, too.)

-D

> On May 20, 2023, at 9:02 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> What is you’re loest price?  Is this still available?
> 
> —FT
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On May 20, 2023, at 8:46 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Yeah, I know, we’ve all heard this before, but…
>> 
>> I’m changing some landscaping in the front of the Florida house, and as a 
>> result I have a bunch of these border blocks that we used to go around an 
>> area in front of the house.
>> 
>> My Marketplace ad has the quantity, a description with pictures, and my 
>> (general) location.
>> 
>> I got four responses for these overnight. Three of the four ask:
>> 
>> “How many are there?”; and
>> 
>> “Where are you located?”
>> 
>> I responded to all, “Read the ad.” Two people got nasty with me.
>> 
>> The lack of intelligence of the general populace is disturbing. Really.
>> 
>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] RANT: FB Marketplace

Yep, it’s really bad. I think it’s all tied to people now totally and 
completely addicted to their phones. I have always noticed this for a while but 
for some reason it really hit me yesterday. I was in a fast food restaurant and 
looked around as it was so quiet, every single customer in the place was 
sitting with their groups all in a trance glued to their phones. At that moment 
I thought about ripping the bandaid off and getting rid of my phone going back 
to a flip phone. And yes I am sending this from my phone. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 20, 2023, at 7:46 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yeah, I know, we’ve all heard this before, but…
> 
> I’m changing some landscaping in the front of the Florida house, and as a 
> result I have a bunch of these border blocks that we used to go around an 
> area in front of the house.
> 
> My Marketplace ad has the quantity, a description with pictures, and my 
> (general) location.
> 
> I got four responses for these overnight. Three of the four ask:
> 
> “How many are there?”; and
> 
> “Where are you located?”
> 
> I responded to all, “Read the ad.” Two people got nasty with me.
> 
> The lack of intelligence of the general populace is disturbing. Really.
> 
> -D
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Re: [MBZ] RANT: FB Marketplace

I’m sure that the obsessions with phones has something to do with it, but more
so it’s a matter of comprehension. It’s not like the ads are long or complex -
the information is all there.

This is the post:

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/256788820344724/?referralSurface=messenger_lightspeed_banner&referralCode=messenger_banner

Price is at the top where it always is.

Condition is clearly stated.

A number is the first thing in the ad. Detailed description with dimensions.
Close with a location as well as the little map that FB provides.

Everything is there in clearly described text.

The only thing I can think of is that people who are scroungers just go through
and click on everything they see, and if they get a response they go for it. I
mean, why else would you get all the “Is this still available?” replies that
ask questions whose answers are clearly stated in the listing?

One of the respondents asks, “Where are you in Lakeland?” Whaaa???

I simply don’t get it. I think these people are brain damaged.

-D

On May 20, 2023, at 9:07 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

Yep, it’s really bad. I think it’s all tied to people now totally and
completely addicted to their phones. I have always noticed this for a while but
for some reason it really hit me yesterday. I was in a fast food restaurant and
looked around as it was so quiet, every single customer in the place was
sitting with their groups all in a trance glued to their phones. At that moment
I thought about ripping the bandaid off and getting rid of my phone going back
to a flip phone. And yes I am sending this from my phone.

Sent from my iPhone

On May 20, 2023, at 7:46 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

Yeah, I know, we’ve all heard this before, but…

I’m changing some landscaping in the front of the Florida house, and as a
result I have a bunch of these border blocks that we used to go around an area
in front of the house.

My Marketplace ad has the quantity, a description with pictures, and my
(general) location.

I got four responses for these overnight. Three of the four ask:

“How many are there?”; and

“Where are you located?”

I responded to all, “Read the ad.” Two people got nasty with me.

The lack of intelligence of the general populace is disturbing. Really.

-D
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Re: [MBZ] RANT: FB Marketplace

Since FB auto populates the type your words in here area with “ is this still 
available”, these people find it much easier to do one click to engage, 
regardless of what the ad says, rather than having to type useful words. 

AZBob

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> On May 20, 2023, at 6:15 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I’m sure that the obsessions with phones has something to do with it, but 
> more so it’s a matter of comprehension. It’s not like the ads are long or 
> complex - the information is all there.
> 
> This is the post:
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/256788820344724/?referralSurface=messenger_lightspeed_banner&referralCode=messenger_banner
> 
> Price is at the top where it always is.
> 
> Condition is clearly stated.
> 
> A number is the first thing in the ad. Detailed description with dimensions. 
> Close with a location as well as the little map that FB provides.
> 
> Everything is there in clearly described text.
> 
> The only thing I can think of is that people who are scroungers just go 
> through and click on everything they see, and if they get a response they go 
> for it. I mean, why else would you get all the “Is this still available?” 
> replies that ask questions whose answers are clearly stated in the listing?
> 
> One of the respondents asks, “Where are you in Lakeland?”  Whaaa???
> 
> I simply don’t get it. I think these people are brain damaged.
> 
> -D
> 
> On May 20, 2023, at 9:07 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> 
> Yep, it’s really bad. I think it’s all tied to people now totally and 
> completely addicted to their phones. I have always noticed this for a while 
> but for some reason it really hit me yesterday. I was in a fast food 
> restaurant and looked around as it was so quiet, every single customer in the 
> place was sitting with their groups all in a trance glued to their phones. At 
> that moment I thought about ripping the bandaid off and getting rid of my 
> phone going back to a flip phone. And yes I am sending this from my phone.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On May 20, 2023, at 7:46 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> 
> Yeah, I know, we’ve all heard this before, but…
> 
> I’m changing some landscaping in the front of the Florida house, and as a 
> result I have a bunch of these border blocks that we used to go around an 
> area in front of the house.
> 
> My Marketplace ad has the quantity, a description with pictures, and my 
> (general) location.
> 
> I got four responses for these overnight. Three of the four ask:
> 
> “How many are there?”; and
> 
> “Where are you located?”
> 
> I responded to all, “Read the ad.” Two people got nasty with me.
> 
> The lack of intelligence of the general populace is disturbing. Really.
> 
> -D
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Re: [MBZ] RANT: FB Marketplace

Except 99% of them that send the us this available never respond again. 

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> On May 20, 2023, at 8:38 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Since FB auto populates the type your words in here area with “ is this 
> still available”, these people find it much easier to do one click to engage, 
> regardless of what the ad says, rather than having to type useful words. 
> 
> AZBob
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 20, 2023, at 6:15 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I’m sure that the obsessions with phones has something to do with it, but 
>> more so it’s a matter of comprehension. It’s not like the ads are long or 
>> complex - the information is all there.
>> 
>> This is the post:
>> 
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/256788820344724/?referralSurface=messenger_lightspeed_banner&referralCode=messenger_banner
>> 
>> Price is at the top where it always is.
>> 
>> Condition is clearly stated.
>> 
>> A number is the first thing in the ad. Detailed description with dimensions. 
>> Close with a location as well as the little map that FB provides.
>> 
>> Everything is there in clearly described text.
>> 
>> The only thing I can think of is that people who are scroungers just go 
>> through and click on everything they see, and if they get a response they go 
>> for it. I mean, why else would you get all the “Is this still available?” 
>> replies that ask questions whose answers are clearly stated in the listing?
>> 
>> One of the respondents asks, “Where are you in Lakeland?”  Whaaa???
>> 
>> I simply don’t get it. I think these people are brain damaged.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> On May 20, 2023, at 9:07 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Yep, it’s really bad. I think it’s all tied to people now totally and 
>> completely addicted to their phones. I have always noticed this for a while 
>> but for some reason it really hit me yesterday. I was in a fast food 
>> restaurant and looked around as it was so quiet, every single customer in 
>> the place was sitting with their groups all in a trance glued to their 
>> phones. At that moment I thought about ripping the bandaid off and getting 
>> rid of my phone going back to a flip phone. And yes I am sending this from 
>> my phone.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On May 20, 2023, at 7:46 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Yeah, I know, we’ve all heard this before, but…
>> 
>> I’m changing some landscaping in the front of the Florida house, and as a 
>> result I have a bunch of these border blocks that we used to go around an 
>> area in front of the house.
>> 
>> My Marketplace ad has the quantity, a description with pictures, and my 
>> (general) location.
>> 
>> I got four responses for these overnight. Three of the four ask:
>> 
>> “How many are there?”; and
>> 
>> “Where are you located?”
>> 
>> I responded to all, “Read the ad.” Two people got nasty with me.
>> 
>> The lack of intelligence of the general populace is disturbing. Really.
>> 
>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] RANT: FB Marketplace

This, too. I gotta believe that there are loads of people who just click on 
this stuff randomly with no intention of ever following through. Why??

-D

> On May 20, 2023, at 9:56 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Except 99% of them that send the us this available never respond again. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 20, 2023, at 8:38 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Since FB auto populates the type your words in here area with “ is this 
>> still available”, these people find it much easier to do one click to 
>> engage, regardless of what the ad says, rather than having to type useful 
>> words. 
>> 
>> AZBob
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 20, 2023, at 6:15 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’m sure that the obsessions with phones has something to do with it, but 
>>> more so it’s a matter of comprehension. It’s not like the ads are long or 
>>> complex - the information is all there.
>>> 
>>> This is the post:
>>> 
>>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/256788820344724/?referralSurface=messenger_lightspeed_banner&referralCode=messenger_banner
>>> 
>>> Price is at the top where it always is.
>>> 
>>> Condition is clearly stated.
>>> 
>>> A number is the first thing in the ad. Detailed description with 
>>> dimensions. Close with a location as well as the little map that FB 
>>> provides.
>>> 
>>> Everything is there in clearly described text.
>>> 
>>> The only thing I can think of is that people who are scroungers just go 
>>> through and click on everything they see, and if they get a response they 
>>> go for it. I mean, why else would you get all the “Is this still 
>>> available?” replies that ask questions whose answers are clearly stated in 
>>> the listing?
>>> 
>>> One of the respondents asks, “Where are you in Lakeland?”  Whaaa???
>>> 
>>> I simply don’t get it. I think these people are brain damaged.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>> On May 20, 2023, at 9:07 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yep, it’s really bad. I think it’s all tied to people now totally and 
>>> completely addicted to their phones. I have always noticed this for a while 
>>> but for some reason it really hit me yesterday. I was in a fast food 
>>> restaurant and looked around as it was so quiet, every single customer in 
>>> the place was sitting with their groups all in a trance glued to their 
>>> phones. At that moment I thought about ripping the bandaid off and getting 
>>> rid of my phone going back to a flip phone. And yes I am sending this from 
>>> my phone.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On May 20, 2023, at 7:46 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yeah, I know, we’ve all heard this before, but…
>>> 
>>> I’m changing some landscaping in the front of the Florida house, and as a 
>>> result I have a bunch of these border blocks that we used to go around an 
>>> area in front of the house.
>>> 
>>> My Marketplace ad has the quantity, a description with pictures, and my 
>>> (general) location.
>>> 
>>> I got four responses for these overnight. Three of the four ask:
>>> 
>>> “How many are there?”; and
>>> 
>>> “Where are you located?”
>>> 
>>> I responded to all, “Read the ad.” Two people got nasty with me.
>>> 
>>> The lack of intelligence of the general populace is disturbing. Really.
>>> 
>>> -D
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[MBZ] Dilemma

We are looking at two ML 350 Bluetec SUVs  for possible purchase.  One is a
single owner vehicle with 34 service records, no reported accidents, all
updates, and in perfect cosmetic and mechanical condition but with 217,000
miles (!).  As my mechanic said, "it was driven like sh*t and maintained
like sh*t."

The second has 138,000 miles with one minor accident and three previous
owners.  Service history is less robust and there is one outstanding issue
with a "frozen rear ride sensor".  It has a few more options than the other
ML (360 camera, panoramic roof, rear seat entertainment).

The price difference is $2,000 higher for the ML 350 with 138,000 miles.
Each vehicle rides about the same with no obvious issues.

We do not expect to put more than 6000 miles/year on the vehicle we
purchase.

How do I determine which is the better/less risky choice?
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Re: [MBZ] RANT: FB Marketplace

They crave human contact

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> On May 20, 2023, at 7:00 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> This, too. I gotta believe that there are loads of people who just click on 
> this stuff randomly with no intention of ever following through. Why??
> 
> -D
> 
>> On May 20, 2023, at 9:56 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Except 99% of them that send the us this available never respond again. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On May 20, 2023, at 8:38 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Since FB auto populates the type your words in here area with “ is this 
>>> still available”, these people find it much easier to do one click to 
>>> engage, regardless of what the ad says, rather than having to type useful 
>>> words. 
>>> 
>>> AZBob
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On May 20, 2023, at 6:15 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
  wrote:

 I’m sure that the obsessions with phones has something to do with it, but 
 more so it’s a matter of comprehension. It’s not like the ads are long or 
 complex - the information is all there.

 This is the post:

 https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/256788820344724/?referralSurface=messenger_lightspeed_banner&referralCode=messenger_banner

 Price is at the top where it always is.

 Condition is clearly stated.

 A number is the first thing in the ad. Detailed description with 
 dimensions. Close with a location as well as the little map that FB 
 provides.

 Everything is there in clearly described text.

 The only thing I can think of is that people who are scroungers just go 
 through and click on everything they see, and if they get a response they 
 go for it. I mean, why else would you get all the “Is this still 
 available?” replies that ask questions whose answers are clearly stated in 
 the listing?

 One of the respondents asks, “Where are you in Lakeland?”  Whaaa???

 I simply don’t get it. I think these people are brain damaged.

 -D

 On May 20, 2023, at 9:07 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

 Yep, it’s really bad. I think it’s all tied to people now totally and 
 completely addicted to their phones. I have always noticed this for a 
 while but for some reason it really hit me yesterday. I was in a fast food 
 restaurant and looked around as it was so quiet, every single customer in 
 the place was sitting with their groups all in a trance glued to their 
 phones. At that moment I thought about ripping the bandaid off and getting 
 rid of my phone going back to a flip phone. And yes I am sending this from 
 my phone.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On May 20, 2023, at 7:46 AM, dan penoff.com via 
 Mercedes mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

 Yeah, I know, we’ve all heard this before, but…

 I’m changing some landscaping in the front of the Florida house, and as a 
 result I have a bunch of these border blocks that we used to go around an 
 area in front of the house.

 My Marketplace ad has the quantity, a description with pictures, and my 
 (general) location.

 I got four responses for these overnight. Three of the four ask:

 “How many are there?”; and

 “Where are you located?”

 I responded to all, “Read the ad.” Two people got nasty with me.

 The lack of intelligence of the general populace is disturbing. Really.

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Re: [MBZ] Dilemma


What years and prices on each?

You will probably have to budget $2-3k/yr for maintenance if you are 
paying someone to do it.  Or if the engine kakks then it will either be 
a write-off or will cost A LOT.  I'm not sure how "34 service records" 
and"perfect cosmetic and mechanical condition" correlates with "it was 
driven like sh*t and maintained like sh*t"


--FT

On 5/20/23 10:41 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

We are looking at two ML 350 Bluetec SUVs  for possible purchase.  One is a
single owner vehicle with 34 service records, no reported accidents, all
updates, and in perfect cosmetic and mechanical condition but with 217,000
miles (!).  As my mechanic said, "it was driven like sh*t and maintained
like sh*t."

The second has 138,000 miles with one minor accident and three previous
owners.  Service history is less robust and there is one outstanding issue
with a "frozen rear ride sensor".  It has a few more options than the other
ML (360 camera, panoramic roof, rear seat entertainment).

The price difference is $2,000 higher for the ML 350 with 138,000 miles.
Each vehicle rides about the same with no obvious issues.

We do not expect to put more than 6000 miles/year on the vehicle we
purchase.

How do I determine which is the better/less risky choice?
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Re: [MBZ] RANT: FB Marketplace

2023-05-20 Thread G Mann via Mercedes

Reporter: "Dr. Einstein, what is the difference between Genius and
Ignorance..?"
Dr. Einstein Without hesitation replied "There is no shortage of Ignorance."

Facebook Marketplace is the national repository of ignorance.
CraigsList:
Seller: I want to sell XXX , For XXX, click on the link to send me an
email, or see my phone number..
Buyer: Ring Ring.. Saw your ad on Craigslist and I want to buy what you
have, where can we meet and do business in the next hour?
Done and dusted..


On Sat, May 20, 2023 at 7:47 AM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> They crave human contact
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On May 20, 2023, at 7:00 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > This, too. I gotta believe that there are loads of people who just
> click on this stuff randomly with no intention of ever following through.
> Why??
> >
> > -D
> >
> >> On May 20, 2023, at 9:56 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Except 99% of them that send the us this available never respond again.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
>  On May 20, 2023, at 8:38 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Since FB auto populates the type your words in here area with “ is
> this still available”, these people find it much easier to do one click to
> engage, regardless of what the ad says, rather than having to type useful
> words.
> >>>
> >>> AZBob
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
>  On May 20, 2023, at 6:15 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>  I’m sure that the obsessions with phones has something to do with
> it, but more so it’s a matter of comprehension. It’s not like the ads are
> long or complex - the information is all there.
> 
>  This is the post:
> 
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/256788820344724/?referralSurface=messenger_lightspeed_banner&referralCode=messenger_banner
> 
>  Price is at the top where it always is.
> 
>  Condition is clearly stated.
> 
>  A number is the first thing in the ad. Detailed description with
> dimensions. Close with a location as well as the little map that FB
> provides.
> 
>  Everything is there in clearly described text.
> 
>  The only thing I can think of is that people who are scroungers just
> go through and click on everything they see, and if they get a response
> they go for it. I mean, why else would you get all the “Is this still
> available?” replies that ask questions whose answers are clearly stated in
> the listing?
> 
>  One of the respondents asks, “Where are you in Lakeland?”  Whaaa???
> 
>  I simply don’t get it. I think these people are brain damaged.
> 
>  -D
> 
>  On May 20, 2023, at 9:07 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>  Yep, it’s really bad. I think it’s all tied to people now totally and
> completely addicted to their phones. I have always noticed this for a while
> but for some reason it really hit me yesterday. I was in a fast food
> restaurant and looked around as it was so quiet, every single customer in
> the place was sitting with their groups all in a trance glued to their
> phones. At that moment I thought about ripping the bandaid off and getting
> rid of my phone going back to a flip phone. And yes I am sending this from
> my phone.
> 
>  Sent from my iPhone
> 
>  On May 20, 2023, at 7:46 AM, dan penoff.com via
> Mercedes mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> 
>  Yeah, I know, we’ve all heard this before, but…
> 
>  I’m changing some landscaping in the front of the Florida house, and
> as a result I have a bunch of these border blocks that we used to go around
> an area in front of the house.
> 
>  My Marketplace ad has the quantity, a description with pictures, and
> my (general) location.
> 
>  I got four responses for these overnight. Three of the four ask:
> 
>  “How many are there?”; and
> 
>  “Where are you located?”
> 
>  I responded to all, “Read the ad.” Two people got nasty with me.
> 
>  The lack of intelligence of the general populace is disturbing.
> Really.
> 
>  -D
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Re: [MBZ] RANT: FB Marketplace

I am inertested.  Will you deliver?

On Sat, May 20, 2023 at 11:04 AM G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Reporter: "Dr. Einstein, what is the difference between Genius and
> Ignorance..?"
> Dr. Einstein Without hesitation replied "There is no shortage of
> Ignorance."
>
> Facebook Marketplace is the national repository of ignorance.
> CraigsList:
> Seller: I want to sell XXX , For XXX, click on the link to send me an
> email, or see my phone number..
> Buyer: Ring Ring.. Saw your ad on Craigslist and I want to buy what you
> have, where can we meet and do business in the next hour?
> Done and dusted..
>
>
> On Sat, May 20, 2023 at 7:47 AM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > They crave human contact
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On May 20, 2023, at 7:00 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > This, too. I gotta believe that there are loads of people who just
> > click on this stuff randomly with no intention of ever following through.
> > Why??
> > >
> > > -D
> > >
> > >> On May 20, 2023, at 9:56 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Except 99% of them that send the us this available never respond
> again.
> > >>
> > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>
> >  On May 20, 2023, at 8:38 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Since FB auto populates the type your words in here area with “ is
> > this still available”, these people find it much easier to do one click
> to
> > engage, regardless of what the ad says, rather than having to type useful
> > words.
> > >>>
> > >>> AZBob
> > >>>
> > >>> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>>
> >  On May 20, 2023, at 6:15 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > 
> >  I’m sure that the obsessions with phones has something to do with
> > it, but more so it’s a matter of comprehension. It’s not like the ads are
> > long or complex - the information is all there.
> > 
> >  This is the post:
> > 
> > 
> >
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/256788820344724/?referralSurface=messenger_lightspeed_banner&referralCode=messenger_banner
> > 
> >  Price is at the top where it always is.
> > 
> >  Condition is clearly stated.
> > 
> >  A number is the first thing in the ad. Detailed description with
> > dimensions. Close with a location as well as the little map that FB
> > provides.
> > 
> >  Everything is there in clearly described text.
> > 
> >  The only thing I can think of is that people who are scroungers just
> > go through and click on everything they see, and if they get a response
> > they go for it. I mean, why else would you get all the “Is this still
> > available?” replies that ask questions whose answers are clearly stated
> in
> > the listing?
> > 
> >  One of the respondents asks, “Where are you in Lakeland?”  Whaaa???
> > 
> >  I simply don’t get it. I think these people are brain damaged.
> > 
> >  -D
> > 
> >  On May 20, 2023, at 9:07 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > 
> >  Yep, it’s really bad. I think it’s all tied to people now totally
> and
> > completely addicted to their phones. I have always noticed this for a
> while
> > but for some reason it really hit me yesterday. I was in a fast food
> > restaurant and looked around as it was so quiet, every single customer in
> > the place was sitting with their groups all in a trance glued to their
> > phones. At that moment I thought about ripping the bandaid off and
> getting
> > rid of my phone going back to a flip phone. And yes I am sending this
> from
> > my phone.
> > 
> >  Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> >  On May 20, 2023, at 7:46 AM, dan penoff.com via
> > Mercedes mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> > 
> >  Yeah, I know, we’ve all heard this before, but…
> > 
> >  I’m changing some landscaping in the front of the Florida house, and
> > as a result I have a bunch of these border blocks that we used to go
> around
> > an area in front of the house.
> > 
> >  My Marketplace ad has the quantity, a description with pictures, and
> > my (general) location.
> > 
> >  I got four responses for these overnight. Three of the four ask:
> > 
> >  “How many are there?”; and
> > 
> >  “Where are you located?”
> > 
> >  I responded to all, “Read the ad.” Two people got nasty with me.
> > 
> >  The lack of intelligence of the general populace is disturbing.
> > Really.
> > 
> >  -D
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Re: [MBZ] Dilemma

Not my words.  Meant as a compliment, I suppose.

Both are 2014.  $12.5 vs. $10.5K

The asking price on the 217k ML is non-negotiable.  The other has already
come down from $16.5K and is not local.


On Sat, May 20, 2023 at 11:04 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> What years and prices on each?
>
> You will probably have to budget $2-3k/yr for maintenance if you are
> paying someone to do it.  Or if the engine kakks then it will either be
> a write-off or will cost A LOT.  I'm not sure how "34 service records"
> and"perfect cosmetic and mechanical condition" correlates with "it was
> driven like sh*t and maintained like sh*t"
>
> --FT
>
> On 5/20/23 10:41 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > We are looking at two ML 350 Bluetec SUVs  for possible purchase.  One
> is a
> > single owner vehicle with 34 service records, no reported accidents, all
> > updates, and in perfect cosmetic and mechanical condition but with
> 217,000
> > miles (!).  As my mechanic said, "it was driven like sh*t and maintained
> > like sh*t."
> >
> > The second has 138,000 miles with one minor accident and three previous
> > owners.  Service history is less robust and there is one outstanding
> issue
> > with a "frozen rear ride sensor".  It has a few more options than the
> other
> > ML (360 camera, panoramic roof, rear seat entertainment).
> >
> > The price difference is $2,000 higher for the ML 350 with 138,000 miles.
> > Each vehicle rides about the same with no obvious issues.
> >
> > We do not expect to put more than 6000 miles/year on the vehicle we
> > purchase.
> >
> > How do I determine which is the better/less risky choice?
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[MBZ] Slightly O.T. AC Work on my Dodge

A little over a year ago, after I rebuilt the HVAC box on my 2005 Dodge 2500 Cummins 5.9, I took it to a somewhat reputable shop near me to have them recharge the AC system. They recharged it and then found two small leaks: one leak is on  “the AC manifold line”, and the other is on the  “rear cover of the AC compressor”. After driving it around, in town, on these first few 100+ degree days, I feed I need to fix this. I haven’t done any appreciable AC work.What am I in store for? If I replace the manifold and the compressor do I need to replace the other big components as well? Is it worth buying some nice AC service hoses/manifold? Is getting the be cold juice a pain for a common man? AZBob Sent from Mail for Windows 

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Re: [MBZ] Slightly O.T. AC Work on my Dodge

> one leak is on  “the AC manifold line”, and the other is on the  “rear cover 
> of the AC compressor”.

Terminology?  In my (limited) experience, the manifold IS the thing that bolts 
to the compressor.
Usually there are O-rings there, and that is one of the most common leak points.

It can be as easy as:
1) Drain the system.
2) Disconnect manifold from compressor and replace O-rings.  Reinstall 
manifold.
3) Vacuum and re-charge the system.

I'd start with that, were it me.

-- Jim

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Re: [MBZ] Slightly O.T. AC Work on my Dodge

Basdon your description it sounds like a line needs to be replaced along with 
the compressor.

First, you’ll be releasing refrigerant into the air, not a good thing really. 
If it’s discharged enough that it’s not making cold at this point, I wouldn’t 
worry about it.

You’ll need a manifold gauge set, a vacuum pump, a can tap and some R-134a. 
Don’t buy anything with dye or other crap in it, just the plain Jane cans of 
R-134a that are about $10-$12 which you can get at any FLAPS.

Remove bad components, install new ones. Pull a vacuum and test for 30 minutes 
or so for a leak down. If none, pull a vacuum for a couple hours then charge.

AC work is pretty straightforward.

-D

On May 20, 2023, at 11:27 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

A little over a year ago, after I rebuilt the HVAC box on my 2005 Dodge 2500 
Cummins 5.9, I took it to a somewhat reputable shop near me to have them 
recharge the AC system. They recharged it and then found two small leaks: one 
leak is on  “the AC manifold line”, and the other is on the  “rear cover of the 
AC compressor”.
After driving it around, in town, on these first few 100+ degree days, I feed I 
need to fix this. I haven’t done any appreciable AC work.
What am I in store for? If I replace the manifold and the compressor do I need 
to replace the other big components as well? Is it worth buying some nice AC 
service hoses/manifold? Is getting the be cold juice a pain for a common man?

AZBob

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Re: [MBZ] Slightly O.T. AC Work on my Dodge

I agree with Jim. Go the O-ring route first. And yes, I agree that the 
“manifold” is likely the low pressure line to between the compressor and 
expansion valve.

-D

> On May 20, 2023, at 11:35 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
>> one leak is on  “the AC manifold line”, and the other is on the  “rear cover 
>> of the AC compressor”.
> 
> Terminology?  In my (limited) experience, the manifold IS the thing that 
> bolts to the compressor.
> Usually there are O-rings there, and that is one of the most common leak 
> points.
> 
> It can be as easy as:
>   1) Drain the system.
>   2) Disconnect manifold from compressor and replace O-rings.  Reinstall 
> manifold.
>   3) Vacuum and re-charge the system.
> 
> I'd start with that, were it me.
> 
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Slightly O.T. AC Work on my Dodge

> Is it worth buying some nice AC service hoses/manifold? Is getting the be 
> cold juice a pain for a common man?

Yes.  If you're going to save the big bucks doing your own basic AC work, you 
need a gauge set
and a vacuum pump.  And a dial thermometer, for the vents.  It's fairly easy 
work, usually.  (Not always.)
Perhaps $200 gets you all the tools you need.  How far does $200 go at the AC 
shop?

The E320 was blowing warm this year.  Two cans of R134a and the nasty squealing 
sound
(from the driver's seat) is gone.  $20.

-- Jim

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Re: [MBZ] Dilemma

Lower miles is almost always more desirable. Higher miles aren’t bad, but far 
more likley to have a need for major service sooner than later. That could 
easily wipe out any savings you get over the lower mileage car.

If your mechanic says the high mileage car is crap, why bother?

-D

> On May 20, 2023, at 11:09 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Not my words.  Meant as a compliment, I suppose.
> 
> Both are 2014.  $12.5 vs. $10.5K
> 
> The asking price on the 217k ML is non-negotiable.  The other has already
> come down from $16.5K and is not local.
> 
> 
> On Sat, May 20, 2023 at 11:04 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> What years and prices on each?
>> 
>> You will probably have to budget $2-3k/yr for maintenance if you are
>> paying someone to do it.  Or if the engine kakks then it will either be
>> a write-off or will cost A LOT.  I'm not sure how "34 service records"
>> and"perfect cosmetic and mechanical condition" correlates with "it was
>> driven like sh*t and maintained like sh*t"
>> 
>> --FT
>> 
>> On 5/20/23 10:41 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>>> We are looking at two ML 350 Bluetec SUVs  for possible purchase.  One
>> is a
>>> single owner vehicle with 34 service records, no reported accidents, all
>>> updates, and in perfect cosmetic and mechanical condition but with
>> 217,000
>>> miles (!).  As my mechanic said, "it was driven like sh*t and maintained
>>> like sh*t."
>>> 
>>> The second has 138,000 miles with one minor accident and three previous
>>> owners.  Service history is less robust and there is one outstanding
>> issue
>>> with a "frozen rear ride sensor".  It has a few more options than the
>> other
>>> ML (360 camera, panoramic roof, rear seat entertainment).
>>> 
>>> The price difference is $2,000 higher for the ML 350 with 138,000 miles.
>>> Each vehicle rides about the same with no obvious issues.
>>> 
>>> We do not expect to put more than 6000 miles/year on the vehicle we
>>> purchase.
>>> 
>>> How do I determine which is the better/less risky choice?
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Re: [MBZ] RANT: FB Marketplace

2023-05-20 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes

I'm looking to buy a new mountain bike, the vast majority of ads fail to
mention the size of the bike. When you ask they say "Come try it, you'll like
it." Well if it's smaller than a large I won't like it, that's why I want to
know the size...
Curt

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On Sat, May 20, 2023 at 9:15 AM, dan penoff.com via
Mercedes wrote: I’m sure that the obsessions with
phones has something to do with it, but more so it’s a matter of comprehension.
It’s not like the ads are long or complex - the information is all there.

This is the post:

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/256788820344724/?referralSurface=messenger_lightspeed_banner&referralCode=messenger_banner

Price is at the top where it always is.

Condition is clearly stated.

A number is the first thing in the ad. Detailed description with dimensions.
Close with a location as well as the little map that FB provides.

Everything is there in clearly described text.

One of the respondents asks, “Where are you in Lakeland?” Whaaa???

I simply don’t get it. I think these people are brain damaged.

-D

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On May 20, 2023, at 7:46 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

Yeah, I know, we’ve all heard this before, but…

I’m changing some landscaping in the front of the Florida house, and as a
result I have a bunch of these border blocks that we used to go around an area
in front of the house.

My Marketplace ad has the quantity, a description with pictures, and my
(general) location.

I got four responses for these overnight. Three of the four ask:

“How many are there?”; and

“Where are you located?”

I responded to all, “Read the ad.” Two people got nasty with me.

The lack of intelligence of the general populace is disturbing. Really.

-D
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[MBZ] I live on the equator -- 1983 Mercedes-Benz 240D - $6, 000 (Jacksonville)


https://jacksonville.craigslist.org/cto/d/jacksonville-1983-mercedes-benz-240d/7622919621.html

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[MBZ] Needs head gaskets., , coolant in oil. Mercedes 3.2L Engine - $200 (Taylors)


$20 for scrap?

mercedes 3.2l v6 out of a 1999 clk320.
136,000 miles

https://greenville.craigslist.org/pts/d/taylors-mercedes-32l-engine/7618303811.html

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Re: [MBZ] Dilemma

*If your mechanic says the high mileage car is crap, why bother?*
Au contraire.  Mechanic did a PPI and found nothing needs attention.  He
said that the extensive dealer service records show that the owner
maintained everything by the book when driving 217k miles (25 k mpy).  The
underlying "issue" is how many well maintained miles can an ML 350 bluetec
last before the engine or transmission fails?

On Sat, May 20, 2023 at 11:41 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Lower miles is almost always more desirable. Higher miles aren’t bad, but
> far more likley to have a need for major service sooner than later. That
> could easily wipe out any savings you get over the lower mileage car.
>
> If your mechanic says the high mileage car is crap, why bother?
>
> -D
>
> > On May 20, 2023, at 11:09 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Not my words.  Meant as a compliment, I suppose.
> >
> > Both are 2014.  $12.5 vs. $10.5K
> >
> > The asking price on the 217k ML is non-negotiable.  The other has already
> > come down from $16.5K and is not local.
> >
> >
> > On Sat, May 20, 2023 at 11:04 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> What years and prices on each?
> >>
> >> You will probably have to budget $2-3k/yr for maintenance if you are
> >> paying someone to do it.  Or if the engine kakks then it will either be
> >> a write-off or will cost A LOT.  I'm not sure how "34 service records"
> >> and"perfect cosmetic and mechanical condition" correlates with "it was
> >> driven like sh*t and maintained like sh*t"
> >>
> >> --FT
> >>
> >> On 5/20/23 10:41 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> >>> We are looking at two ML 350 Bluetec SUVs  for possible purchase.  One
> >> is a
> >>> single owner vehicle with 34 service records, no reported accidents,
> all
> >>> updates, and in perfect cosmetic and mechanical condition but with
> >> 217,000
> >>> miles (!).  As my mechanic said, "it was driven like sh*t and
> maintained
> >>> like sh*t."
> >>>
> >>> The second has 138,000 miles with one minor accident and three previous
> >>> owners.  Service history is less robust and there is one outstanding
> >> issue
> >>> with a "frozen rear ride sensor".  It has a few more options than the
> >> other
> >>> ML (360 camera, panoramic roof, rear seat entertainment).
> >>>
> >>> The price difference is $2,000 higher for the ML 350 with 138,000
> miles.
> >>> Each vehicle rides about the same with no obvious issues.
> >>>
> >>> We do not expect to put more than 6000 miles/year on the vehicle we
> >>> purchase.
> >>>
> >>> How do I determine which is the better/less risky choice?
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[MBZ] sold AS IS the transmission is slipping 2005 Mercedes-Benz e320 cdi deisel 3.2 6cyl, $3, 500

trashed driver seat does not match 101kmi.  Might be more of a $1.5k car 
if the trans is not completely gorked


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Re: [MBZ] Dilemma

 "it was driven like sh*t and maintained like sh*t.”

I don’t interpret the mechanic’s quote as a positive statement. You’re making 
conflicting statements here.

And yes, in my opinion, I would rather have a high mile car with excellent 
provenance than a lower one with none. Are major repairs likely? I guess, but I 
don’t make my car buying decisions on assumptions. The odds are higher that it 
will need some sort of work in the future, but if you’re not driving it that 
much to begin with, why worry about it?

My ML550 has 180k on it. I paid a relatively good price ($6k) for it. It has 
excellent provenance when it comes to the VMI. Could the POs have driven it 
like idiots? Sure. Will it require major repairs in the future? Possibly.

A lower mileage example without significant provenance would have been closer 
to $10k. I’ll take those odds and save the $4k. I’m not sure if I’m living 
right or what, but I’ve yet to get burned on a high mileage car I bought that 
had documented provenance.

-D

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mailto:astrasfo...@gmail.com>> wrote:

If your mechanic says the high mileage car is crap, why bother?
Au contraire.  Mechanic did a PPI and found nothing needs attention.  He said 
that the extensive dealer service records show that the owner maintained 
everything by the book when driving 217k miles (25 k mpy).  The underlying 
"issue" is how many well maintained miles can an ML 350 bluetec last before the 
engine or transmission fails?

On Sat, May 20, 2023 at 11:41 AM dan penoff.com via 
Mercedes mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
Lower miles is almost always more desirable. Higher miles aren’t bad, but far 
more likley to have a need for major service sooner than later. That could 
easily wipe out any savings you get over the lower mileage car.

If your mechanic says the high mileage car is crap, why bother?

-D

> On May 20, 2023, at 11:09 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>
> Not my words.  Meant as a compliment, I suppose.
>
> Both are 2014.  $12.5 vs. $10.5K
>
> The asking price on the 217k ML is non-negotiable.  The other has already
> come down from $16.5K and is not local.
>
>
> On Sat, May 20, 2023 at 11:04 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> What years and prices on each?
>>
>> You will probably have to budget $2-3k/yr for maintenance if you are
>> paying someone to do it.  Or if the engine kakks then it will either be
>> a write-off or will cost A LOT.  I'm not sure how "34 service records"
>> and"perfect cosmetic and mechanical condition" correlates with "it was
>> driven like sh*t and maintained like sh*t"
>>
>> --FT
>>
>> On 5/20/23 10:41 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>>> We are looking at two ML 350 Bluetec SUVs  for possible purchase.  One
>> is a
>>> single owner vehicle with 34 service records, no reported accidents, all
>>> updates, and in perfect cosmetic and mechanical condition but with
>> 217,000
>>> miles (!).  As my mechanic said, "it was driven like sh*t and maintained
>>> like sh*t."
>>>
>>> The second has 138,000 miles with one minor accident and three previous
>>> owners.  Service history is less robust and there is one outstanding
>> issue
>>> with a "frozen rear ride sensor".  It has a few more options than the
>> other
>>> ML (360 camera, panoramic roof, rear seat entertainment).
>>>
>>> The price difference is $2,000 higher for the ML 350 with 138,000 miles.
>>> Each vehicle rides about the same with no obvious issues.
>>>
>>> We do not expect to put more than 6000 miles/year on the vehicle we
>>> purchase.
>>>
>>> How do I determine which is the better/less risky choice?
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[MBZ] Rare brown '85 300TD with 400K ++ miles on MB Market

Unusual color and even more unusual velour interior for a wagon.  Owned by
a "Mercedes engineer" (not a tech).  Wonder what it's worth...
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Re: [MBZ] Slightly O.T. AC Work on my Dodge

It is 'manifold' because on many compressors there's more than
one inlet and outlet hole that are ganged together by the manifold.
(Not so on an old York.  Definitely so on many others I've worked on.)
The heat and vibration there seems to be hard on the O-rings.  The
manifolds I'm familiar with need four.

If you're worried about environmental discharge due to an incomplete
repair, there's always test refrigerant.  Enviro-safe is one brand, or you
can roll your own.

> cans of R-134a that are about $10-$12 which you can get at any FLAPS.

Not in WA.  I drove across the border to ID, and found a pallet stacked
higher than my head of the stuff at Wal-Mart.  $10/can.  Wasn't it $5/can
two years ago?

The now-ancient garage refrigerator/freezer uses R12.  My dead tabletop
icemaker used R134a.  I noticed that the new replacement I just bought
uses R600a.  Isobutane, in other words.

Expect that 'for the environment' refrigerant changes to be legislated
now approximately every patent cycle.  Of course this is not causal,
it's purely 'for the children'...

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[MBZ] OT If you are looking for for a purist level car? Keep walking. 1994 Ferrari, $57, 500

I have always liked this style and this one is a nice color combo but 
for some reason the 348 is not well regarded


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Re: [MBZ] Dilemma

> "it was driven like sh*t and maintained like sh*t.”

I suspect that what he _meant_ to say was:
"drove the sh*t out of it, and maintained the sh*t out of it."

Or, in the King's English, driven muchly but maintained well.

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2023-05-20 Thread G Mann via Mercedes

Well done !!


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Re: [MBZ] Dilemma

So they are asking $10.5k for the high mileage but well-maintained car.  
Offer $9k, budget for repairs with the understanding that it could 
either go several more years to a MILLION MILES or it might need some 
major work.  If you are interested in getting one of these, that is the 
risk no matter what the miles.  If it were my decision I'd work on the 
lower-priced car owner and do some shrewd negotiations and buy it and 
drive it and not worry about it


Or, be like Waldo, spend $4k and find a disconnected sensor 
https://youtu.be/8gxdJflpCJw


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On 5/20/23 11:48 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

*If your mechanic says the high mileage car is crap, why bother?*
Au contraire.  Mechanic did a PPI and found nothing needs attention.  He
said that the extensive dealer service records show that the owner
maintained everything by the book when driving 217k miles (25 k mpy).  The
underlying "issue" is how many well maintained miles can an ML 350 bluetec
last before the engine or transmission fails?

On Sat, May 20, 2023 at 11:41 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Lower miles is almost always more desirable. Higher miles aren’t bad, but
far more likley to have a need for major service sooner than later. That
could easily wipe out any savings you get over the lower mileage car.

If your mechanic says the high mileage car is crap, why bother?

-D


On May 20, 2023, at 11:09 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <

mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Not my words.  Meant as a compliment, I suppose.

Both are 2014.  $12.5 vs. $10.5K

The asking price on the 217k ML is non-negotiable.  The other has already
come down from $16.5K and is not local.


On Sat, May 20, 2023 at 11:04 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


What years and prices on each?

You will probably have to budget $2-3k/yr for maintenance if you are
paying someone to do it.  Or if the engine kakks then it will either be
a write-off or will cost A LOT.  I'm not sure how "34 service records"
and"perfect cosmetic and mechanical condition" correlates with "it was
driven like sh*t and maintained like sh*t"

--FT

On 5/20/23 10:41 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

We are looking at two ML 350 Bluetec SUVs  for possible purchase.  One

is a

single owner vehicle with 34 service records, no reported accidents,

all

updates, and in perfect cosmetic and mechanical condition but with

217,000

miles (!).  As my mechanic said, "it was driven like sh*t and

maintained

like sh*t."

The second has 138,000 miles with one minor accident and three previous
owners.  Service history is less robust and there is one outstanding

issue

with a "frozen rear ride sensor".  It has a few more options than the

other

ML (360 camera, panoramic roof, rear seat entertainment).

The price difference is $2,000 higher for the ML 350 with 138,000

miles.

Each vehicle rides about the same with no obvious issues.

We do not expect to put more than 6000 miles/year on the vehicle we
purchase.

How do I determine which is the better/less risky choice?
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Re: [MBZ] Newest arrival to Okie acres

Your homeowners and commercial vehicle insurance rates ought to go down.

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Re: [MBZ] OT If you are looking for for a purist level car? Keep walking. 1994 Ferrari, $57, 500

But if you drove it around with the windows up like that, the Ferrari police 
would hunt you down and take the keys away.

AZBob

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> I have always liked this style and this one is a nice color combo but for 
> some reason the 348 is not well regarded
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Dilemma

The tech is not a fan of the V6 Bluetec engines.  Much prefers the 4 cyl.
twin turbo in the GLK 250.

On Sat, May 20, 2023 at 12:02 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> So they are asking $10.5k for the high mileage but well-maintained car.
> Offer $9k, budget for repairs with the understanding that it could
> either go several more years to a MILLION MILES or it might need some
> major work.  If you are interested in getting one of these, that is the
> risk no matter what the miles.  If it were my decision I'd work on the
> lower-priced car owner and do some shrewd negotiations and buy it and
> drive it and not worry about it
>
> Or, be like Waldo, spend $4k and find a disconnected sensor
> https://youtu.be/8gxdJflpCJw
>
> --FT
>
> On 5/20/23 11:48 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > *If your mechanic says the high mileage car is crap, why bother?*
> > Au contraire.  Mechanic did a PPI and found nothing needs attention.  He
> > said that the extensive dealer service records show that the owner
> > maintained everything by the book when driving 217k miles (25 k mpy).
> The
> > underlying "issue" is how many well maintained miles can an ML 350
> bluetec
> > last before the engine or transmission fails?
> >
> > On Sat, May 20, 2023 at 11:41 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Lower miles is almost always more desirable. Higher miles aren’t bad,
> but
> >> far more likley to have a need for major service sooner than later. That
> >> could easily wipe out any savings you get over the lower mileage car.
> >>
> >> If your mechanic says the high mileage car is crap, why bother?
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
> >>> On May 20, 2023, at 11:09 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>> Not my words.  Meant as a compliment, I suppose.
> >>>
> >>> Both are 2014.  $12.5 vs. $10.5K
> >>>
> >>> The asking price on the 217k ML is non-negotiable.  The other has
> already
> >>> come down from $16.5K and is not local.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, May 20, 2023 at 11:04 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
>  What years and prices on each?
> 
>  You will probably have to budget $2-3k/yr for maintenance if you are
>  paying someone to do it.  Or if the engine kakks then it will either
> be
>  a write-off or will cost A LOT.  I'm not sure how "34 service records"
>  and"perfect cosmetic and mechanical condition" correlates with "it was
>  driven like sh*t and maintained like sh*t"
> 
>  --FT
> 
>  On 5/20/23 10:41 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > We are looking at two ML 350 Bluetec SUVs  for possible purchase.
> One
>  is a
> > single owner vehicle with 34 service records, no reported accidents,
> >> all
> > updates, and in perfect cosmetic and mechanical condition but with
>  217,000
> > miles (!).  As my mechanic said, "it was driven like sh*t and
> >> maintained
> > like sh*t."
> >
> > The second has 138,000 miles with one minor accident and three
> previous
> > owners.  Service history is less robust and there is one outstanding
>  issue
> > with a "frozen rear ride sensor".  It has a few more options than the
>  other
> > ML (360 camera, panoramic roof, rear seat entertainment).
> >
> > The price difference is $2,000 higher for the ML 350 with 138,000
> >> miles.
> > Each vehicle rides about the same with no obvious issues.
> >
> > We do not expect to put more than 6000 miles/year on the vehicle we
> > purchase.
> >
> > How do I determine which is the better/less risky choice?
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Re: [MBZ] Slightly O.T. AC Work on my Dodge

Maybe a silly question…can the leaks be seen with Snoop? Soapy water?

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 20, 2023, at 8:55 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> It is 'manifold' because on many compressors there's more than
> one inlet and outlet hole that are ganged together by the manifold.
> (Not so on an old York.  Definitely so on many others I've worked on.)
> The heat and vibration there seems to be hard on the O-rings.  The
> manifolds I'm familiar with need four.
> 
> If you're worried about environmental discharge due to an incomplete
> repair, there's always test refrigerant.  Enviro-safe is one brand, or you
> can roll your own.
> 
>> cans of R-134a that are about $10-$12 which you can get at any FLAPS.
> 
> Not in WA.  I drove across the border to ID, and found a pallet stacked
> higher than my head of the stuff at Wal-Mart.  $10/can.  Wasn't it $5/can
> two years ago?
> 
> The now-ancient garage refrigerator/freezer uses R12.  My dead tabletop
> icemaker used R134a.  I noticed that the new replacement I just bought
> uses R600a.  Isobutane, in other words.
> 
> Expect that 'for the environment' refrigerant changes to be legislated
> now approximately every patent cycle.  Of course this is not causal,
> it's purely 'for the children'...
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Dilemma

The $4k 2012GL450 just rolled over 275kmi.  The trans needs some 
attention, maybe a fluid change will help it, or maybe the torque 
converter clutches are shot and that will need some major work.  It is 
showing the CEL for the intake manifold flaps which I need to tend to, 
this is a common problem.  I knew that going in, $4k is a fair amount of 
money but not in the scheme of these vehicles, I could probably unload 
it and make a lot of it back but then if I wanted a "good" one it would 
cost 2X more, or more.


Indeed a dilemma

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On 5/20/23 11:54 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

My ML550 has 180k on it. I paid a relatively good price ($6k) for it. It has 
excellent provenance when it comes to the VMI. Could the POs have driven it 
like idiots? Sure. Will it require major repairs in the future? Possibly.


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[MBZ] I need to go get this one -- Has a coolant leak runs out by the fire wall and the fender well. 2005 Mercedes-Benz e-class, $1, 500

This is probably the same issue I dealt with on the $400E500, a heater 
hose below the aux battery.  $27 used part off eBay and an easy fix


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[MBZ] cheepcheep fixerupper wagon -- 1999 Mercedes-Benz 320e,$700


Looks fairly nice, take 5 Bennies and drive it home

Great old wagon that needs some love. Miles unknown. Please read! 
Issues…. 1. Dash gauges do not work. The miles and warning don’t work, 
but the fuel gage does and the lights do as well. 2. Rear end makes 
noise. I have driven it that way for a year, but never went out of town 
or father than 40 miles. 3. Transmission sometimes down shifts when 
going over 55. This issue has seem to have gotten worse. 4. A/C does not 
work. 5. Fender dented on right front. THE GOOD… 1. Engine runs good. 2. 
Tires are in good shape. 3. Rides nice. This would be a good project to 
repair or for a around town form of transportation. Open to trades in 
the form of kayaks or Mountain Bikes. I just hate to let it sit.


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[MBZ] This could be a good deal -- 2012 Mercedes-Benz gl-class, $5, 500

$200kmi, tow package, paint splotches in interior that might clean up or 
just leave it, some negotiation would get a decent ride


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[MBZ] Bigger and Mo Better for Andrew 2008 Mercedes-Benz Gl 320 cDI, $6, 800


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[MBZ] Even mo mo betta for Andrew -- 2007 Mercedes-Benz ml 320 4 mattic drive 4 Matic Turbo Diesel, $5, 200


Get it for $4500 and drive it until 300-400k miles

Car is in amazing shape inside and out clean title great paint seats are 
flawless carpet is beautiful door panels clean ice cold ac is 4 wheel 
drive and the diesel model which is known to make it to 300-400k miles 
car is priced to sell but has two cons one door handle inside is loose 
and car has a vacuum leak that has been spotted with a smoke test under 
the hood still runs and drives daily but will cost about 400 to fix


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Re: [MBZ] Slightly O.T. AC Work on my Dodge

Not sure what “Snoop” is, but I’ve never tried the soapy water thing with 
refrigerant.

You can buy cheap leak detectors on the Island of Large Wimmen.

-D

> On May 20, 2023, at 12:10 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Maybe a silly question…can the leaks be seen with Snoop? Soapy water?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 20, 2023, at 8:55 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> It is 'manifold' because on many compressors there's more than
>> one inlet and outlet hole that are ganged together by the manifold.
>> (Not so on an old York.  Definitely so on many others I've worked on.)
>> The heat and vibration there seems to be hard on the O-rings.  The
>> manifolds I'm familiar with need four.
>> 
>> If you're worried about environmental discharge due to an incomplete
>> repair, there's always test refrigerant.  Enviro-safe is one brand, or you
>> can roll your own.
>> 
>>> cans of R-134a that are about $10-$12 which you can get at any FLAPS.
>> 
>> Not in WA.  I drove across the border to ID, and found a pallet stacked
>> higher than my head of the stuff at Wal-Mart.  $10/can.  Wasn't it $5/can
>> two years ago?
>> 
>> The now-ancient garage refrigerator/freezer uses R12.  My dead tabletop
>> icemaker used R134a.  I noticed that the new replacement I just bought
>> uses R600a.  Isobutane, in other words.
>> 
>> Expect that 'for the environment' refrigerant changes to be legislated
>> now approximately every patent cycle.  Of course this is not causal,
>> it's purely 'for the children'...
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Newest arrival to Okie acres

You need several as big as your shop is. I would have at least 2-3 of them. 
Heck, I have two in my 3 car garage - one on opposite walls so they’re easy to 
get to. And put them in a location that makes sense and won’t get covered up by 
a rolling cart or other stuff. Mine are right next to the doors where they’re 
obvious and easy to get to and won’t get blocked in or covered up with 
something. I have a third one I keep ”loose” so I can have it near where I’m 
working if I’m doing work on a gas car, for example.

-D That’s why they call me “Mr. Safety"

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> Well done !!
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Re: [MBZ] Newest arrival to Okie acres

I have 2, one by the walk in door, and one at the opposite end by one of the 
overhead doors. I may get at least one more for the shop and one for the 
garage. There is one in the kitchen. Had I known where it was at the time, 
perhaps at least the interior of the car would not have been destroyed at the 
very least. 

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> You need several as big as your shop is. I would have at least 2-3 of them. 
> Heck, I have two in my 3 car garage - one on opposite walls so they’re easy 
> to get to. And put them in a location that makes sense and won’t get covered 
> up by a rolling cart or other stuff. Mine are right next to the doors where 
> they’re obvious and easy to get to and won’t get blocked in or covered up 
> with something. I have a third one I keep ”loose” so I can have it near where 
> I’m working if I’m doing work on a gas car, for example.
> 
> -D That’s why they call me “Mr. Safety"
> 
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>> Well done !!
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Slightly O.T. AC Work on my Dodge

I would recommend it come to Okie Acres. Sent from my iPhoneOn May 20, 2023, at 10:28 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  wrote:A little over a year ago, after I rebuilt the HVAC box on my 2005 Dodge 2500 Cummins 5.9, I took it to a somewhat reputable shop near me to have them recharge the AC system. They recharged it and then found two small leaks: one leak is on  “the AC manifold line”, and the other is on the  “rear cover of the AC compressor”. After driving it around, in town, on these first few 100+ degree days, I feed I need to fix this. I haven’t done any appreciable AC work.What am I in store for? If I replace the manifold and the compressor do I need to replace the other big components as well? Is it worth buying some nice AC service hoses/manifold? Is getting the be cold juice a pain for a common man? AZBob Sent from Mail for Windows 

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Re: [MBZ] Slightly O.T. AC Work on my Dodge

This is why I have a AC machine, I recover the refrigerant rather than vent it. 
As expensive as 134 is I don’t want to lose anymore than I have to. If I charge 
up a system and find leaks, I can simply recover the charge, fix the leaks, 
pull a vacuum, then charge it again. 

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> On May 20, 2023, at 10:37 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
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> 
> Basdon your description it sounds like a line needs to be replaced along 
> with the compressor.
> 
> First, you’ll be releasing refrigerant into the air, not a good thing really. 
> If it’s discharged enough that it’s not making cold at this point, I wouldn’t 
> worry about it.
> 
> You’ll need a manifold gauge set, a vacuum pump, a can tap and some R-134a. 
> Don’t buy anything with dye or other crap in it, just the plain Jane cans of 
> R-134a that are about $10-$12 which you can get at any FLAPS.
> 
> Remove bad components, install new ones. Pull a vacuum and test for 30 
> minutes or so for a leak down. If none, pull a vacuum for a couple hours then 
> charge.
> 
> AC work is pretty straightforward.
> 
> -D
> 
> On May 20, 2023, at 11:27 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> 
> A little over a year ago, after I rebuilt the HVAC box on my 2005 Dodge 2500 
> Cummins 5.9, I took it to a somewhat reputable shop near me to have them 
> recharge the AC system. They recharged it and then found two small leaks: one 
> leak is on  “the AC manifold line”, and the other is on the  “rear cover of 
> the AC compressor”.
> After driving it around, in town, on these first few 100+ degree days, I feed 
> I need to fix this. I haven’t done any appreciable AC work.
> What am I in store for? If I replace the manifold and the compressor do I 
> need to replace the other big components as well? Is it worth buying some 
> nice AC service hoses/manifold? Is getting the be cold juice a pain for a 
> common man?
> 
> AZBob
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Re: [MBZ] Slightly O.T. AC Work on my Dodge

If large enough perhaps 

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> On May 20, 2023, at 11:11 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Maybe a silly question…can the leaks be seen with Snoop? Soapy water?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 20, 2023, at 8:55 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> It is 'manifold' because on many compressors there's more than
>> one inlet and outlet hole that are ganged together by the manifold.
>> (Not so on an old York.  Definitely so on many others I've worked on.)
>> The heat and vibration there seems to be hard on the O-rings.  The
>> manifolds I'm familiar with need four.
>> 
>> If you're worried about environmental discharge due to an incomplete
>> repair, there's always test refrigerant.  Enviro-safe is one brand, or you
>> can roll your own.
>> 
>>> cans of R-134a that are about $10-$12 which you can get at any FLAPS.
>> 
>> Not in WA.  I drove across the border to ID, and found a pallet stacked
>> higher than my head of the stuff at Wal-Mart.  $10/can.  Wasn't it $5/can
>> two years ago?
>> 
>> The now-ancient garage refrigerator/freezer uses R12.  My dead tabletop
>> icemaker used R134a.  I noticed that the new replacement I just bought
>> uses R600a.  Isobutane, in other words.
>> 
>> Expect that 'for the environment' refrigerant changes to be legislated
>> now approximately every patent cycle.  Of course this is not causal,
>> it's purely 'for the children'...
>> 
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Sent from my iPhone

> On May 20, 2023, at 10:26 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> If large enough perhaps 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 20, 2023, at 11:11 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Maybe a silly question…can the leaks be seen with Snoop? Soapy water?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On May 20, 2023, at 8:55 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> It is 'manifold' because on many compressors there's more than
>>> one inlet and outlet hole that are ganged together by the manifold.
>>> (Not so on an old York.  Definitely so on many others I've worked on.)
>>> The heat and vibration there seems to be hard on the O-rings.  The
>>> manifolds I'm familiar with need four.
>>> 
>>> If you're worried about environmental discharge due to an incomplete
>>> repair, there's always test refrigerant.  Enviro-safe is one brand, or you
>>> can roll your own.
>>> 
 cans of R-134a that are about $10-$12 which you can get at any FLAPS.
>>> 
>>> Not in WA.  I drove across the border to ID, and found a pallet stacked
>>> higher than my head of the stuff at Wal-Mart.  $10/can.  Wasn't it $5/can
>>> two years ago?
>>> 
>>> The now-ancient garage refrigerator/freezer uses R12.  My dead tabletop
>>> icemaker used R134a.  I noticed that the new replacement I just bought
>>> uses R600a.  Isobutane, in other words.
>>> 
>>> Expect that 'for the environment' refrigerant changes to be legislated
>>> now approximately every patent cycle.  Of course this is not causal,
>>> it's purely 'for the children'...
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Even mo mo betta for Andrew -- 2007 Mercedes-Benz ml 320 4 mattic drive 4 Matic Turbo Diesel, $5, 200

I would consider that if it were local.

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> Get it for $4500 and drive it until 300-400k miles
>
> Car is in amazing shape inside and out clean title great paint seats are
> flawless carpet is beautiful door panels clean ice cold ac is 4 wheel
> drive and the diesel model which is known to make it to 300-400k miles
> car is priced to sell but has two cons one door handle inside is loose
> and car has a vacuum leak that has been spotted with a smoke test under
> the hood still runs and drives daily but will cost about 400 to fix
>
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Re: [MBZ] RANT: FB Marketplace

Depends. If you're selling something that attracts bottom feeders, like the 
rustbucket Focus I sold earlier in the year, you attract these idiots even on 
Craigslist.

I described the rust and the failed brakes, and said I did not believe it would 
be economical to make it roadworthy and was selling it for parts. People asked, 
"does it run?" "Yes, I said in the ad the engine and transmission are good." 
"Can I drive it home?" "well, it has no brakes, sooo no." "What if I'm 
careful?" "Are you serious?"

Then you agree to an offer that's barely above what the scrapper is offering 
and they still want to dicker over $20 or something and then they go silent.

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> Reporter: "Dr. Einstein, what is the difference between Genius and
> Ignorance..?"
> Dr. Einstein Without hesitation replied "There is no shortage of Ignorance."
>
> Facebook Marketplace is the national repository of ignorance.
> CraigsList:
> Seller: I want to sell XXX , For XXX, click on the link to send me an
> email, or see my phone number..
> Buyer: Ring Ring.. Saw your ad on Craigslist and I want to buy what you
> have, where can we meet and do business in the next hour?
> Done and dusted..

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Re: [MBZ] Bigger and Mo Better for Andrew 2008 Mercedes-Benz Gl 320 cDI, $6, 800

I will need to foster/adopt 3 kids if there is a third row.

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217k is getting up there not so much for a well-maintained diesel engine but 
for the transmission and all the other moving/rotating parts in the car. Wheel 
bearings, suspension bushings, fluid pumps, etc. Despite the best maintenance, 
stuff wears out eventually.

I'll be honest, neither of these sounds like a great deal to me but you're well 
above my budget for what I'd spend on a car so my opinion is just that, an 
opinion.

Are you dead-set on a diesel? For an SUV you'll have a lot more options and 
lower prices with a gasoline model. If you're driving 6000 miles/yr that isn't 
great for a diesel either, unless those miles are a small number of long trips.

Gas is cheaper than diesel anyway these days and has fewer maintenance concerns.


On Sat, May 20, 2023, at 10:48, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> *If your mechanic says the high mileage car is crap, why bother?*
> Au contraire.  Mechanic did a PPI and found nothing needs attention.  He
> said that the extensive dealer service records show that the owner
> maintained everything by the book when driving 217k miles (25 k mpy).  The
> underlying "issue" is how many well maintained miles can an ML 350 bluetec
> last before the engine or transmission fails?
>
> On Sat, May 20, 2023 at 11:41 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> Lower miles is almost always more desirable. Higher miles aren’t bad, but
>> far more likley to have a need for major service sooner than later. That
>> could easily wipe out any savings you get over the lower mileage car.
>>
>> If your mechanic says the high mileage car is crap, why bother?
>>
>> -D
>>
>> > On May 20, 2023, at 11:09 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Not my words.  Meant as a compliment, I suppose.
>> >
>> > Both are 2014.  $12.5 vs. $10.5K
>> >
>> > The asking price on the 217k ML is non-negotiable.  The other has already
>> > come down from $16.5K and is not local.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sat, May 20, 2023 at 11:04 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> What years and prices on each?
>> >>
>> >> You will probably have to budget $2-3k/yr for maintenance if you are
>> >> paying someone to do it.  Or if the engine kakks then it will either be
>> >> a write-off or will cost A LOT.  I'm not sure how "34 service records"
>> >> and"perfect cosmetic and mechanical condition" correlates with "it was
>> >> driven like sh*t and maintained like sh*t"
>> >>
>> >> --FT
>> >>
>> >> On 5/20/23 10:41 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>> >>> We are looking at two ML 350 Bluetec SUVs  for possible purchase.  One
>> >> is a
>> >>> single owner vehicle with 34 service records, no reported accidents,
>> all
>> >>> updates, and in perfect cosmetic and mechanical condition but with
>> >> 217,000
>> >>> miles (!).  As my mechanic said, "it was driven like sh*t and
>> maintained
>> >>> like sh*t."
>> >>>
>> >>> The second has 138,000 miles with one minor accident and three previous
>> >>> owners.  Service history is less robust and there is one outstanding
>> >> issue
>> >>> with a "frozen rear ride sensor".  It has a few more options than the
>> >> other
>> >>> ML (360 camera, panoramic roof, rear seat entertainment).
>> >>>
>> >>> The price difference is $2,000 higher for the ML 350 with 138,000
>> miles.
>> >>> Each vehicle rides about the same with no obvious issues.
>> >>>
>> >>> We do not expect to put more than 6000 miles/year on the vehicle we
>> >>> purchase.
>> >>>
>> >>> How do I determine which is the better/less risky choice?
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All good points, Allan.

The days of diesels being more economical when it comes to cars is pretty much 
gone. Sure, there are the smaller VWs, for example, like Curt’s that get really 
good mileage, but the more modern diesels won’t, and the cost of diesel fuel 
isn’t likely to drop below gasoline again, I think.

If you were doing a “Marshall” and driving the length of PA weekly it might 
make sense, but otherwise, it’s nothing more than a personal preference. 
There’s no net gain from it, in fact, it might be more costly for a number of 
reasons, which was Allan’s point.

-D

> On May 20, 2023, at 2:00 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 217k is getting up there not so much for a well-maintained diesel engine but 
> for the transmission and all the other moving/rotating parts in the car. 
> Wheel bearings, suspension bushings, fluid pumps, etc. Despite the best 
> maintenance, stuff wears out eventually.
> 
> I'll be honest, neither of these sounds like a great deal to me but you're 
> well above my budget for what I'd spend on a car so my opinion is just that, 
> an opinion.
> 
> Are you dead-set on a diesel? For an SUV you'll have a lot more options and 
> lower prices with a gasoline model. If you're driving 6000 miles/yr that 
> isn't great for a diesel either, unless those miles are a small number of 
> long trips.
> 
> Gas is cheaper than diesel anyway these days and has fewer maintenance 
> concerns.
> 
> 
> On Sat, May 20, 2023, at 10:48, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>> *If your mechanic says the high mileage car is crap, why bother?*
>> Au contraire.  Mechanic did a PPI and found nothing needs attention.  He
>> said that the extensive dealer service records show that the owner
>> maintained everything by the book when driving 217k miles (25 k mpy).  The
>> underlying "issue" is how many well maintained miles can an ML 350 bluetec
>> last before the engine or transmission fails?
>> 
>> On Sat, May 20, 2023 at 11:41 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Lower miles is almost always more desirable. Higher miles aren’t bad, but
>>> far more likley to have a need for major service sooner than later. That
>>> could easily wipe out any savings you get over the lower mileage car.
>>> 
>>> If your mechanic says the high mileage car is crap, why bother?
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On May 20, 2023, at 11:09 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 Not my words.  Meant as a compliment, I suppose.
 
 Both are 2014.  $12.5 vs. $10.5K
 
 The asking price on the 217k ML is non-negotiable.  The other has already
 come down from $16.5K and is not local.
 
 
 On Sat, May 20, 2023 at 11:04 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
> What years and prices on each?
> 
> You will probably have to budget $2-3k/yr for maintenance if you are
> paying someone to do it.  Or if the engine kakks then it will either be
> a write-off or will cost A LOT.  I'm not sure how "34 service records"
> and"perfect cosmetic and mechanical condition" correlates with "it was
> driven like sh*t and maintained like sh*t"
> 
> --FT
> 
> On 5/20/23 10:41 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>> We are looking at two ML 350 Bluetec SUVs  for possible purchase.  One
> is a
>> single owner vehicle with 34 service records, no reported accidents,
>>> all
>> updates, and in perfect cosmetic and mechanical condition but with
> 217,000
>> miles (!).  As my mechanic said, "it was driven like sh*t and
>>> maintained
>> like sh*t."
>> 
>> The second has 138,000 miles with one minor accident and three previous
>> owners.  Service history is less robust and there is one outstanding
> issue
>> with a "frozen rear ride sensor".  It has a few more options than the
> other
>> ML (360 camera, panoramic roof, rear seat entertainment).
>> 
>> The price difference is $2,000 higher for the ML 350 with 138,000
>>> miles.
>> Each vehicle rides about the same with no obvious issues.
>> 
>> We do not expect to put more than 6000 miles/year on the vehicle we
>> purchase.
>> 
>> How do I determine which is the better/less risky choice?
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On Sat, May 20, 2023, at 10:35, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:
> It can be as easy as:
>   1) Drain the system.
>   2) Disconnect manifold from compressor and replace O-rings.  Reinstall 
> manifold.
>   3) Vacuum and re-charge the system.

I've always heard the advice to replace the receiver/dryer any time you open 
the system.


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Re: [MBZ] Slightly O.T. AC Work on my Dodge

Yes that is correct 

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> On May 20, 2023, at 1:24 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> On Sat, May 20, 2023, at 10:35, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:
>> It can be as easy as:
>>1) Drain the system.
>>2) Disconnect manifold from compressor and replace O-rings.  Reinstall 
>> manifold.
>>3) Vacuum and re-charge the system.
> 
> I've always heard the advice to replace the receiver/dryer any time you open 
> the system.
> 
> 
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[MBZ] 2008 ML350 - 193k miles - $4,900

Tow hitch and looks clean. Looks like he uses the brakes like I do -- pressing 
on the rightmost side of the pedal. I blame that on driving manuals for years, 
the right half of the pedal is about where the pedal would be on a manual.

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OK so what is the nicest 2014 nondiesel SUV I can get for less money?

On Sat, May 20, 2023 at 2:08 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> All good points, Allan.
>
> The days of diesels being more economical when it comes to cars is pretty
> much gone. Sure, there are the smaller VWs, for example, like Curt’s that
> get really good mileage, but the more modern diesels won’t, and the cost of
> diesel fuel isn’t likely to drop below gasoline again, I think.
>
> If you were doing a “Marshall” and driving the length of PA weekly it
> might make sense, but otherwise, it’s nothing more than a personal
> preference. There’s no net gain from it, in fact, it might be more costly
> for a number of reasons, which was Allan’s point.
>
> -D
>
> > On May 20, 2023, at 2:00 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > 217k is getting up there not so much for a well-maintained diesel engine
> but for the transmission and all the other moving/rotating parts in the
> car. Wheel bearings, suspension bushings, fluid pumps, etc. Despite the
> best maintenance, stuff wears out eventually.
> >
> > I'll be honest, neither of these sounds like a great deal to me but
> you're well above my budget for what I'd spend on a car so my opinion is
> just that, an opinion.
> >
> > Are you dead-set on a diesel? For an SUV you'll have a lot more options
> and lower prices with a gasoline model. If you're driving 6000 miles/yr
> that isn't great for a diesel either, unless those miles are a small number
> of long trips.
> >
> > Gas is cheaper than diesel anyway these days and has fewer maintenance
> concerns.
> >
> >
> > On Sat, May 20, 2023, at 10:48, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> >> *If your mechanic says the high mileage car is crap, why bother?*
> >> Au contraire.  Mechanic did a PPI and found nothing needs attention.  He
> >> said that the extensive dealer service records show that the owner
> >> maintained everything by the book when driving 217k miles (25 k mpy).
> The
> >> underlying "issue" is how many well maintained miles can an ML 350
> bluetec
> >> last before the engine or transmission fails?
> >>
> >> On Sat, May 20, 2023 at 11:41 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Lower miles is almost always more desirable. Higher miles aren’t bad,
> but
> >>> far more likley to have a need for major service sooner than later.
> That
> >>> could easily wipe out any savings you get over the lower mileage car.
> >>>
> >>> If your mechanic says the high mileage car is crap, why bother?
> >>>
> >>> -D
> >>>
>  On May 20, 2023, at 11:09 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>  Not my words.  Meant as a compliment, I suppose.
> 
>  Both are 2014.  $12.5 vs. $10.5K
> 
>  The asking price on the 217k ML is non-negotiable.  The other has
> already
>  come down from $16.5K and is not local.
> 
> 
>  On Sat, May 20, 2023 at 11:04 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> > What years and prices on each?
> >
> > You will probably have to budget $2-3k/yr for maintenance if you are
> > paying someone to do it.  Or if the engine kakks then it will either
> be
> > a write-off or will cost A LOT.  I'm not sure how "34 service
> records"
> > and"perfect cosmetic and mechanical condition" correlates with "it
> was
> > driven like sh*t and maintained like sh*t"
> >
> > --FT
> >
> > On 5/20/23 10:41 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> >> We are looking at two ML 350 Bluetec SUVs  for possible purchase.
> One
> > is a
> >> single owner vehicle with 34 service records, no reported accidents,
> >>> all
> >> updates, and in perfect cosmetic and mechanical condition but with
> > 217,000
> >> miles (!).  As my mechanic said, "it was driven like sh*t and
> >>> maintained
> >> like sh*t."
> >>
> >> The second has 138,000 miles with one minor accident and three
> previous
> >> owners.  Service history is less robust and there is one outstanding
> > issue
> >> with a "frozen rear ride sensor".  It has a few more options than
> the
> > other
> >> ML (360 camera, panoramic roof, rear seat entertainment).
> >>
> >> The price difference is $2,000 higher for the ML 350 with 138,000
> >>> miles.
> >> Each vehicle rides about the same with no obvious issues.
> >>
> >> We do not expect to put more than 6000 miles/year on the vehicle we
> >> purchase.
> >>
> >> How do I determine which is the better/less risky choice?
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Re: [MBZ] Slightly O.T. AC Work on my Dodge

> I've always heard the advice to replace the receiver/dryer any time you open 
> the system.

It's not _bad_ advice, but it is more trouble and cost.  If you're just 
replacing a few
O-rings on a manifold, the system will be 'open' for less than a minute, 
followed by
an immediate vacuum.  No significant moisture will intrude under these 
circumstances.

IMHO it's not a bad gamble to keep the old receiver/drier if only doing this.
Or, if using test refrigerant, which has no chlorine and thus doesn't make acid
if water gets in there.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Dilemma

If you're willing to go a little older, ML350s seem to be plentiful at half 
your price. Maybe 10 years is a magic number in pricing? Prices seem 
dramatically lower for 2012 and older. Just need to avoid the bad engine years.


On Sat, May 20, 2023, at 14:01, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> OK so what is the nicest 2014 nondiesel SUV I can get for less money?
>
> On Sat, May 20, 2023 at 2:08 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> All good points, Allan.
>>
>> The days of diesels being more economical when it comes to cars is pretty
>> much gone. Sure, there are the smaller VWs, for example, like Curt’s that
>> get really good mileage, but the more modern diesels won’t, and the cost of
>> diesel fuel isn’t likely to drop below gasoline again, I think.
>>
>> If you were doing a “Marshall” and driving the length of PA weekly it
>> might make sense, but otherwise, it’s nothing more than a personal
>> preference. There’s no net gain from it, in fact, it might be more costly
>> for a number of reasons, which was Allan’s point.
>>
>> -D
>>
>> > On May 20, 2023, at 2:00 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > 217k is getting up there not so much for a well-maintained diesel engine
>> but for the transmission and all the other moving/rotating parts in the
>> car. Wheel bearings, suspension bushings, fluid pumps, etc. Despite the
>> best maintenance, stuff wears out eventually.
>> >
>> > I'll be honest, neither of these sounds like a great deal to me but
>> you're well above my budget for what I'd spend on a car so my opinion is
>> just that, an opinion.
>> >
>> > Are you dead-set on a diesel? For an SUV you'll have a lot more options
>> and lower prices with a gasoline model. If you're driving 6000 miles/yr
>> that isn't great for a diesel either, unless those miles are a small number
>> of long trips.
>> >
>> > Gas is cheaper than diesel anyway these days and has fewer maintenance
>> concerns.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sat, May 20, 2023, at 10:48, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>> >> *If your mechanic says the high mileage car is crap, why bother?*
>> >> Au contraire.  Mechanic did a PPI and found nothing needs attention.  He
>> >> said that the extensive dealer service records show that the owner
>> >> maintained everything by the book when driving 217k miles (25 k mpy).
>> The
>> >> underlying "issue" is how many well maintained miles can an ML 350
>> bluetec
>> >> last before the engine or transmission fails?
>> >>
>> >> On Sat, May 20, 2023 at 11:41 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
>> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Lower miles is almost always more desirable. Higher miles aren’t bad,
>> but
>> >>> far more likley to have a need for major service sooner than later.
>> That
>> >>> could easily wipe out any savings you get over the lower mileage car.
>> >>>
>> >>> If your mechanic says the high mileage car is crap, why bother?
>> >>>
>> >>> -D
>> >>>
>>  On May 20, 2023, at 11:09 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>  Not my words.  Meant as a compliment, I suppose.
>> 
>>  Both are 2014.  $12.5 vs. $10.5K
>> 
>>  The asking price on the 217k ML is non-negotiable.  The other has
>> already
>>  come down from $16.5K and is not local.
>> 
>> 
>>  On Sat, May 20, 2023 at 11:04 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>>  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> > What years and prices on each?
>> >
>> > You will probably have to budget $2-3k/yr for maintenance if you are
>> > paying someone to do it.  Or if the engine kakks then it will either
>> be
>> > a write-off or will cost A LOT.  I'm not sure how "34 service
>> records"
>> > and"perfect cosmetic and mechanical condition" correlates with "it
>> was
>> > driven like sh*t and maintained like sh*t"
>> >
>> > --FT
>> >
>> > On 5/20/23 10:41 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>> >> We are looking at two ML 350 Bluetec SUVs  for possible purchase.
>> One
>> > is a
>> >> single owner vehicle with 34 service records, no reported accidents,
>> >>> all
>> >> updates, and in perfect cosmetic and mechanical condition but with
>> > 217,000
>> >> miles (!).  As my mechanic said, "it was driven like sh*t and
>> >>> maintained
>> >> like sh*t."
>> >>
>> >> The second has 138,000 miles with one minor accident and three
>> previous
>> >> owners.  Service history is less robust and there is one outstanding
>> > issue
>> >> with a "frozen rear ride sensor".  It has a few more options than
>> the
>> > other
>> >> ML (360 camera, panoramic roof, rear seat entertainment).
>> >>
>> >> The price difference is $2,000 higher for the ML 350 with 138,000
>> >>> miles.
>> >> Each vehicle rides about the same with no obvious issues.
>> >>
>> >> We do not expect to put more than 6000 miles/year on t

Re: [MBZ] Dilemma

I'm enjoying the crap out of my $1500 V10 truck.  It's a V, and if your S is
hauling heavy/bulky stuff around or driving around offroad you're all set.
As for U, well, there's always hauling heavy/bulky stuff around...

-- Jim


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[MBZ] 210 diesel exhaust rattling

The last week or so I have observed a rattle that sounded like like it was 
coming from the rear. Usually only at certain RPM today I had the car running 
and in park at idle exhaust rattles somewhat. I got on the ground and the rear 
muffler appears to be rattling internally. I figured it was rubbing up against 
a heat shield but it does not appear to be the case. Anybody ran into this 
before? It’s ghetto sounding and something I want to address asap. 

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Re: [MBZ] Slightly O.T. AC Work on my Dodge

O-ring question.  Are AC o-rings universal by color or do I need to get 
specific ones for the truck?

AZBob

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> On May 20, 2023, at 12:56 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> 
>> I've always heard the advice to replace the receiver/dryer any time you open 
>> the system.
> 
> It's not _bad_ advice, but it is more trouble and cost.  If you're just 
> replacing a few
> O-rings on a manifold, the system will be 'open' for less than a minute, 
> followed by
> an immediate vacuum.  No significant moisture will intrude under these 
> circumstances.
> 
> IMHO it's not a bad gamble to keep the old receiver/drier if only doing this.
> Or, if using test refrigerant, which has no chlorine and thus doesn't make 
> acid
> if water gets in there.
> 
> -- Jim
> 
> 
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For the most part, yes. There can be weirdly-shaped ones, but they’re not 
common. You can buy specific O-rings or an assortment that’s not expensive.

-D

> On May 20, 2023, at 4:29 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> O-ring question.  Are AC o-rings universal by color or do I need to get 
> specific ones for the truck?
> 
> AZBob
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 20, 2023, at 12:56 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> I've always heard the advice to replace the receiver/dryer any time you 
>>> open the system.
>> 
>> It's not _bad_ advice, but it is more trouble and cost.  If you're just 
>> replacing a few
>> O-rings on a manifold, the system will be 'open' for less than a minute, 
>> followed by
>> an immediate vacuum.  No significant moisture will intrude under these 
>> circumstances.
>> 
>> IMHO it's not a bad gamble to keep the old receiver/drier if only doing this.
>> Or, if using test refrigerant, which has no chlorine and thus doesn't make 
>> acid
>> if water gets in there.
>> 
>> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Slightly O.T. AC Work on my Dodge

They tend to be specific to the actual compressor used.

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Re: [MBZ] 210 diesel exhaust rattling

> the rear muffler appears to be rattling internally.

The wife's 450SL did that, and I replaced the muffler.  I think a rubber mallet
swung at it with the car off can help diagnose this.

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Re: [MBZ] Slightly O.T. AC Work on my Dodge

True, I was speaking more to O rings used on hose fittings. The top and back 
plates of compressors where the fittings are located can have weird 
seals/O-rings. Those typically come with the part, too.

-D

> On May 20, 2023, at 4:45 PM, Jim Cathey  wrote:
> 
> They tend to be specific to the actual compressor used.
> 
> -- Jim
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[MBZ] Snap-On MTG2500 Scanner

Got one of these Snap-On diagnostic scanners. Haven’t used it in some time, but 
it will do a number of tests and read codes, however, not for every module. One 
nice thing about it is the ability to read real-time data, so you can have it 
hooked up and collecting data while you drive the car.

I’m looking to sell it for a very reasonable amount ($100 + shipping?) with all 
the cables, personality keys, etc., necessary to work on Mercedes. Another nice 
thing about is that you could buy the additional modules and cables for other 
brands of cars,, too. They can be found all over eBay, and I have some extra 
ones that came with mine, too. I don’t use it and I just want it gone.

Here are some docs on it:

https://w124performance.com/docs/general/Snap-On/manuals/MTG2500_Companion_Guide.pdf

https://public.snapon.com/a_prodannouncements_us/mtg2500basic.pdf


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[MBZ] How do I get this red stain off the paint?

I had a red shop rag laying on the back of a car and it somehow got wet. I 
removed the rag the red dye seems to have transferred into the paint. I figured 
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Re: [MBZ] Snap-On MTG2500 Scanner

Is it still available?

What’s the lowest you will go on it?

--FT
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> On May 20, 2023, at 5:34 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Got one of these Snap-On diagnostic scanners. Haven’t used it in some time, 
> but it will do a number of tests and read codes, however, not for every 
> module. One nice thing about it is the ability to read real-time data, so you 
> can have it hooked up and collecting data while you drive the car.
> 
> I’m looking to sell it for a very reasonable amount ($100 + shipping?) with 
> all the cables, personality keys, etc., necessary to work on Mercedes. 
> Another nice thing about is that you could buy the additional modules and 
> cables for other brands of cars,, too. They can be found all over eBay, and I 
> have some extra ones that came with mine, too. I don’t use it and I just want 
> it gone.
> 
> Here are some docs on it:
> 
> https://w124performance.com/docs/general/Snap-On/manuals/MTG2500_Companion_Guide.pdf
> 
> https://public.snapon.com/a_prodannouncements_us/mtg2500basic.pdf
> 
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Re: [MBZ] How do I get this red stain off the paint?

Buff it with cleaner wax?

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> On May 20, 2023, at 7:12 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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> 
> I had a red shop rag laying on the back of a car and it somehow got wet. I 
> removed the rag the red dye seems to have transferred into the paint. I 
> figured it would wipe off but no such luck. Any ideas?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 210 diesel exhaust rattling

The baffles inside can rust out and you’ll get that rattle. Or a heat shield if 
it has one

--FT
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> On May 20, 2023, at 4:47 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> 
>> the rear muffler appears to be rattling internally.
> 
> The wife's 450SL did that, and I replaced the muffler.  I think a rubber 
> mallet
> swung at it with the car off can help diagnose this.
> 
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] 210 diesel exhaust rattling

I had an exhaust rattle on my W116 that sounded like a heat shield but turned 
out to be a broken bracket (the front one by the transmission) so you might 
look for something like that. Don't know how similar the exhaust mounting is.

On Sat, May 20, 2023, at 15:20, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> The last week or so I have observed a rattle that sounded like like it 
> was coming from the rear. Usually only at certain RPM today I had the 
> car running and in park at idle exhaust rattles somewhat. I got on the 
> ground and the rear muffler appears to be rattling internally. I 
> figured it was rubbing up against a heat shield but it does not appear 
> to be the case. Anybody ran into this before? It’s ghetto sounding and 
> something I want to address asap. 
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[MBZ] W211 door mirror gaskets

I need to replace mine, as they are crumbling. Initially I thought this might 
be allowing water into the doors but looks like they are mostly to prevent crud 
from getting inside the mirror housing.

Can I just fold the mirrors all the way back to get at the screws? The spring 
tension seems pretty high and I don't want to break anything by being 
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[MBZ] Steering wheel cover

My steering wheel had the typical cracked varnish over the wood sections and 
the vinyl on the side grips was pretty grungy as well. I ordered a cheap 
leather cover from the Amazonian place and thought it turned out fairly nice. I 
went with a brown color to contrast the wheel and sort of match the wood. 
Stitching it on took a bit of time but was kind of meditative.

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Re: [MBZ] Dilemma

2023-05-20 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes

> We do not expect to put more than 6000 miles/year on the vehicle we purchase.

Then why look at a diesel? It will never run a Regen cycle, and probably end up 
plugging the DPF in short order. But a Lexus Hybrid SUV and drive it until you 
or it dies.

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Re: [MBZ] Dilemma

You couldn't pay me to own a L***s.

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> > We do not expect to put more than 6000 miles/year on the vehicle we
> purchase.
>
> Then why look at a diesel? It will never run a Regen cycle, and probably
> end up plugging the DPF in short order. But a Lexus Hybrid SUV and drive it
> until you or it dies.
>
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Re: [MBZ] How do I get this red stain off the paint?

Goo Gone.

On Sat, May 20, 2023 at 7:27 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
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> Buff it with cleaner wax?
>
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
>
> > On May 20, 2023, at 7:12 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I had a red shop rag laying on the back of a car and it somehow got
> wet. I removed the rag the red dye seems to have transferred into the
> paint. I figured it would wipe off but no such luck. Any ideas?
> >
> > 
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Re: [MBZ] How do I get this red stain off the paint?

I can't even feel it like something being stuck to the paint. Its like 
the color bleed thru or something.


On 5/20/2023 9:23 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Goo Gone.

On Sat, May 20, 2023 at 7:27 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
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Buff it with cleaner wax?

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On May 20, 2023, at 7:12 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <

mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

I had a red shop rag laying on the back of a car and it somehow got

wet. I removed the rag the red dye seems to have transferred into the
paint. I figured it would wipe off but no such luck. Any ideas?




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Re: [MBZ] How do I get this red stain off the paint?

You said it's from a shop towel? I'd try laundry bleach.


On Sat, May 20, 2023, at 21:24, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> I can't even feel it like something being stuck to the paint. Its like 
> the color bleed thru or something.
>
> On 5/20/2023 9:23 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>> Goo Gone.
>>
>> On Sat, May 20, 2023 at 7:27 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Buff it with cleaner wax?
>>>
>>> --FT
>>> Sent from iFōn
>>>
 On May 20, 2023, at 7:12 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 I had a red shop rag laying on the back of a car and it somehow got
>>> wet. I removed the rag the red dye seems to have transferred into the
>>> paint. I figured it would wipe off but no such luck. Any ideas?
 


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[MBZ] no words, call I can do is laugh


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Re: [MBZ] Dilemma

2023-05-20 Thread OK Don via Mercedes

What Dan and Allen said - I gave up on Diesel cars - they just don't make
sense any more. Trucks carrying/pulling a load? Yes. A bunch of short
trips, no. After the Diesel Passat, I realized I bought the Diesel on
emotions, not logic.
That having been said, of the two options you gave, I'd choose well
maintained over lower miles, especially given that you drive almost as
little as we do. You are very unlikely to wear either of them out.

On Sat, May 20, 2023 at 1:08 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
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> All good points, Allan.
>
> The days of diesels being more economical when it comes to cars is pretty
> much gone. Sure, there are the smaller VWs, for example, like Curt’s that
> get really good mileage, but the more modern diesels won’t, and the cost of
> diesel fuel isn’t likely to drop below gasoline again, I think.
>
> If you were doing a “Marshall” and driving the length of PA weekly it
> might make sense, but otherwise, it’s nothing more than a personal
> preference. There’s no net gain from it, in fact, it might be more costly
> for a number of reasons, which was Allan’s point.
>
> -D
>
> > On May 20, 2023, at 2:00 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > 217k is getting up there not so much for a well-maintained diesel engine
> but for the transmission and all the other moving/rotating parts in the
> car. Wheel bearings, suspension bushings, fluid pumps, etc. Despite the
> best maintenance, stuff wears out eventually.
> >
> > I'll be honest, neither of these sounds like a great deal to me but
> you're well above my budget for what I'd spend on a car so my opinion is
> just that, an opinion.
> >
> > Are you dead-set on a diesel? For an SUV you'll have a lot more options
> and lower prices with a gasoline model. If you're driving 6000 miles/yr
> that isn't great for a diesel either, unless those miles are a small number
> of long trips.
> >
> > Gas is cheaper than diesel anyway these days and has fewer maintenance
> concerns.
> >
> >
> > On Sat, May 20, 2023, at 10:48, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> >> *If your mechanic says the high mileage car is crap, why bother?*
> >> Au contraire.  Mechanic did a PPI and found nothing needs attention.  He
> >> said that the extensive dealer service records show that the owner
> >> maintained everything by the book when driving 217k miles (25 k mpy).
> The
> >> underlying "issue" is how many well maintained miles can an ML 350
> bluetec
> >> last before the engine or transmission fails?
> >>
> >> On Sat, May 20, 2023 at 11:41 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Lower miles is almost always more desirable. Higher miles aren’t bad,
> but
> >>> far more likley to have a need for major service sooner than later.
> That
> >>> could easily wipe out any savings you get over the lower mileage car.
> >>>
> >>> If your mechanic says the high mileage car is crap, why bother?
> >>>
> >>> -D
> >>>
>  On May 20, 2023, at 11:09 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>  Not my words.  Meant as a compliment, I suppose.
> 
>  Both are 2014.  $12.5 vs. $10.5K
> 
>  The asking price on the 217k ML is non-negotiable.  The other has
> already
>  come down from $16.5K and is not local.
> 
> 
>  On Sat, May 20, 2023 at 11:04 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> > What years and prices on each?
> >
> > You will probably have to budget $2-3k/yr for maintenance if you are
> > paying someone to do it.  Or if the engine kakks then it will either
> be
> > a write-off or will cost A LOT.  I'm not sure how "34 service
> records"
> > and"perfect cosmetic and mechanical condition" correlates with "it
> was
> > driven like sh*t and maintained like sh*t"
> >
> > --FT
> >
> > On 5/20/23 10:41 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> >> We are looking at two ML 350 Bluetec SUVs  for possible purchase.
> One
> > is a
> >> single owner vehicle with 34 service records, no reported accidents,
> >>> all
> >> updates, and in perfect cosmetic and mechanical condition but with
> > 217,000
> >> miles (!).  As my mechanic said, "it was driven like sh*t and
> >>> maintained
> >> like sh*t."
> >>
> >> The second has 138,000 miles with one minor accident and three
> previous
> >> owners.  Service history is less robust and there is one outstanding
> > issue
> >> with a "frozen rear ride sensor".  It has a few more options than
> the
> > other
> >> ML (360 camera, panoramic roof, rear seat entertainment).
> >>
> >> The price difference is $2,000 higher for the ML 350 with 138,000
> >>> miles.
> >> Each vehicle rides about the same with no obvious issues.
> >>
> >> We do not expect to put more than 6000 miles/year on the vehicle we
> >> purchase.
> >>
>

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