[MBZ] Nice grill
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Re: [MBZ] Maybe somebody needs this
Good project car. On Fri, Jun 28, 2024 at 10:51 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > https://www.facebook.com/share/J6wnE45otY4mYqFM/?mibextid=79PoIi > > Sent from my iPhone > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SLK230 Inop Top, Low Miles
Has quite a prominent patina, or maybe just showing its age... On Fri, Jun 28, 2024 at 1:51 PM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > No known issues...the convertible just won't open and close again after I > took the picture. > > https://www.facebook.com/share/FcVEANf9C8jV29pm/ > > AZBob > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Maybe somebody needs this
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Re: [MBZ] High $$ 220SE
On Fri, 28 Jun 2024 14:31:14 -0700 Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote: > >> https://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/d/gilbert-1962-mercedes-220-se-w111/7760813745.html > > I should engage the seller and find out how long and where he got it > from because it looks exactly like the one my neighbor around the > corner had stashed in his garage. Did Mercedes have 6-digit odometers in 1962? Is license plate information public knowledge in Arizona? Can you look up 8BA 72L? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] High $$ 220SE
I should engage the seller and find out how long and where he got it from because it looks exactly like the one my neighbor around the corner had stashed in his garage. AZBob Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 28, 2024, at 2:08 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes > wrote: > > That’s actually a pretty good price for a W111 coupe if everything checks > out. It’s a beautiful car, although I can’t say I’m a fan of the color > combination. The dashes on these are a work of art. I saw one at Drew > Tibken’s place right after he finished it, and it was beautiful just sitting > on the bench. > > -D > >> On Jun 28, 2024, at 1:54 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Again, I realize it's worth it if someone gives him the ask, but these, in >> this condition, don't command this price, do they? >> >> AZBob >> >> https://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/d/gilbert-1962-mercedes-220-se-w111/7760813745.html >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] High $$ 220SE
That’s actually a pretty good price for a W111 coupe if everything checks out. It’s a beautiful car, although I can’t say I’m a fan of the color combination. The dashes on these are a work of art. I saw one at Drew Tibken’s place right after he finished it, and it was beautiful just sitting on the bench. -D > On Jun 28, 2024, at 1:54 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes > wrote: > > Again, I realize it's worth it if someone gives him the ask, but these, in > this condition, don't command this price, do they? > > AZBob > > https://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/d/gilbert-1962-mercedes-220-se-w111/7760813745.html > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Step Aside, Caravan. Get Thee Hence, Astro Van. See Ya, Sienna.
On Fri, 28 Jun 2024 20:58:56 + Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote: > For the uber fancy soccer mom. > > https://lasvegas.craigslist.org/cto/d/atlanta-2020-mercedes-metris-maybach/7760485234.html Speak about over the top! Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] High $$ 220SE
Well it's a coupe, it appears to be very nice, no dash cracks, no steering wheel cracks (or well repaired) but Why sell a car like this on CL? Post it on BaT or consign it to a high-end auction. I think it's probably a scam ad. On Fri, Jun 28, 2024, at 16:54, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote: > Again, I realize it's worth it if someone gives him the ask, but these, > in this condition, don't command this price, do they? > > AZBob > > https://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/d/gilbert-1962-mercedes-220-se-w111/7760813745.html > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Step Aside, Caravan. Get Thee Hence, Astro Van. See Ya, Sienna.
For the uber fancy soccer mom. https://lasvegas.craigslist.org/cto/d/atlanta-2020-mercedes-metris-maybach/7760485234.html AZBob ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] High $$ 220SE
Again, I realize it's worth it if someone gives him the ask, but these, in this condition, don't command this price, do they? AZBob https://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/d/gilbert-1962-mercedes-220-se-w111/7760813745.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Fwd: Re: DEF system eliminated - 2012 Sprinter 2500
The SCR is like a catalytic converter that you add special fuel to. So by eliminating it, I wouldn't expect much other than not having to buy fluid for it. The DPF regenerates by blowing diesel out the exhaust valves to burn in the exhaust. Eliminating that should save you some diesel. Original Message Subject: Re: [MBZ] DEF system eliminated - 2012 Sprinter 2500 Date: 2024-06-28 12:59 From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Andrew Strasfogel Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List I thought of purchasing a E250 Bluetec sedan that had been de-DEFed by its PA owner. Seller claimed 45-50 mpg as a result, but it wouldn't pass MD inspection so I purchased a legal E250 in VA. I get 45 mpg on the beltway in any case, so not much difference under the DEF system. To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone Need an ML?
Looks nice, price is very fair. -D > On Jun 28, 2024, at 10:26 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes > wrote: > > https://www.facebook.com/share/RPjyNezN1XPYgZYD/ > > I'll go get it for you... > > AZBob > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] SLK230 Inop Top, Low Miles
No known issues...the convertible just won't open and close again after I took the picture. https://www.facebook.com/share/FcVEANf9C8jV29pm/ AZBob ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Anyone Need an ML?
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Re: [MBZ] Luuuucyyyy???? What did you do with my crack??? 1984 300D - $8, 800
Absurd price considering the obvious flaws. On Fri, Jun 28, 2024 at 12:06 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Looks halfway nice, but price is high by a factor of 2 at least. > > > https://louisville.craigslist.org/cto/d/louisville-1984-mercedes-benz-300/7761152300.html > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] DEF system eliminated - 2012 Sprinter 2500
I thought of purchasing a E250 Bluetec sedan that had been de-DEFed by its PA owner. Seller claimed 45-50 mpg as a result, but it wouldn't pass MD inspection so I purchased a legal E250 in VA. I get 45 mpg on the beltway in any case, so not much difference under the DEF system. On Fri, Jun 28, 2024 at 9:36 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I haven't heard complaints about the DEF system on the Sprinters like I > have on MB's passenger vehicles. Maybe the Freightliner influence made it > better? > > VW's DEF system seems pretty solid. At least I've never had an issue with > it in my 2015 Jetta. That reminds me, I have no idea the last time I filled > it... > > -Curt > > > On Friday, June 28, 2024 at 08:42:33 AM EDT, Buggered Benzmail via > Mercedes wrote: > > > > > > Huge performance boost > > --FT > Sent from iFōn > > > On Jun 27, 2024, at 9:21 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > I spend $12/year ($1/month) on DEF fluid for each of my 2014/15 > Bluetecs. > > Why would I want to disable the system? > > > >> On Thu, Jun 27, 2024 at 9:58 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > >> With the money saved on DEF he bought a pinhole camera to take the > photos. > >> > >> > >> > https://dayton.craigslist.org/cto/d/springboro-mercedes-sprinter-van-2500/7761005919.html > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > >> > >> > >> > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB heads, advise please
On Thu, Jun 27, 2024, at 16:38, Curt Raymond wrote: > The ad is funny in mentioning its good for high sulfur fuel. AFAIK > that's super illegal in the US... Yeah I think even off-road diesel is ULSD now, and has been for some time. Unless someone has a standby generator with a big tank of old fuel, I would not think there's much left out there. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB heads, advise please
Ahh, those were the days (shaking cane at the kids on my lawn.) The issue of leaks with synthetic oils was greatly exaggerated, unfortunately. If you have leaks, yes, they may well get worse with a synthetic because of the oil’s properties. If you have an engine without leaks, using synthetic isn’t going to cause/create leaks. I’ve used Mobil 1 for decades, and never had an issue with oil leaks. Did some of my cars “mark their territory?” Sure, but no worse than if they had dino oil in them, I believe. If I had an engine that was leakig badly, I also wouldn’t waste a synthetic oil on it, either. That said, there are plenty of MB diesels out there running or were running on dino oil their whole lives and they’re just fine. -D > On Jun 28, 2024, at 9:04 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes > wrote: > > I didn’t think an oil thread could get any better, then Herr Doktor Booth and > Rusty are both mentioned….(sniff..sniff). > > AZBob > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jun 28, 2024, at 6:42 AM, Troy Kocher via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Thanks for the welcome Dan! >> >> In my past M1 was exactly what I was using back when buying parts from >> Rusty and listening to the wise council of Marshal Booth. Not sure if you >> guys know of them but they both really helped me do the care & feeding of >> my W123's back in 07. >> >> Found it interesting the PPI mechanic I found in Atlanta strongly advised >> against synthetic in the diesel W123 as he has seen many leaks over the >> 30,000 cars he has serviced of his time owning the shop. >> >> I never had that trouble but my experience set was much smaller than his. >> >>> On Thu, Jun 27, 2024 at 3:31 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes < >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>> >>> Great first post, Troy! An oil thread! >>> >>> Just kidding - glad you’re participating, welcome! >>> >>> The oil situation has gotten more difficult as oils are modernized or >>> designed for current production engines. While for the most part, “oil is >>> oil” when it comes to general lubrication, the lack of some additives, >>> especially zinc, can make it difficult to be sure you have a “good” oil in >>> your engine. M117 engine owners are affected in this manner, and that zinc >>> is super critical for top-end lubrication in those engines as well as many >>> engines of that vintage. >>> >>> The most important thing? Change it regularly based on your use, or just >>> do it annually of it’s a low-mile annual driver. You could use the cheapest >>> oil you could find, and while it may not be ideal, if you change it >>> regularly it’s unlikely your engine will suffer. >>> >>> Granted, these are broad generalizations, but as others have suggested, >>> pay close attention to your environment and operating temperature range to >>> decide what would be the best choice. Like Curt said, M1 15W-50 is a great >>> oil, but not at low ambients. At least not if you’re planning on starting >>> your engine. Figure out what is best for you as far as temperature range, >>> and go from there. >>> >>> I've been a proponent of Mobil1 for years, as well as regular oil and >>> filter changes. I can’t say I’ve ever had an oil-related issue. I’m sure >>> that a brand-name dino oil in the proper viscosity range would work just >>> fine for you as well. >>> >>> It’s like anything else - people have personal preferences for whatever >>> reasons, and while they can be helpful in guiding you to a good choice, the >>> decision is ultimately yours. >>> >>> Good shopping! >>> >>> Dan >>> >>> On Jun 27, 2024, at 12:13 PM, Troy Kocher via Mercedes < >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: I'm a lurker for many years. I've owned 5 W123's in the early 2000, and >>> am really in the mood for one again. Back then we went back & forth on Mobil1 & conventional diesel oil. >>> Could you guys offer the most current wisdom. I'm looking at a 1985 300d w/ 320kMi. Thanks Troy 77 240d 81 300d 83 300cd 06 E320 CDI 06 S500 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives
[MBZ] Luuuucyyyy???? What did you do with my crack??? 1984 300D - $8, 800
Looks halfway nice, but price is high by a factor of 2 at least. https://louisville.craigslist.org/cto/d/louisville-1984-mercedes-benz-300/7761152300.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB heads, advise please
I didn’t think an oil thread could get any better, then Herr Doktor Booth and Rusty are both mentioned….(sniff..sniff). AZBob Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 28, 2024, at 6:42 AM, Troy Kocher via Mercedes > wrote: > > Thanks for the welcome Dan! > > In my past M1 was exactly what I was using back when buying parts from > Rusty and listening to the wise council of Marshal Booth. Not sure if you > guys know of them but they both really helped me do the care & feeding of > my W123's back in 07. > > Found it interesting the PPI mechanic I found in Atlanta strongly advised > against synthetic in the diesel W123 as he has seen many leaks over the > 30,000 cars he has serviced of his time owning the shop. > > I never had that trouble but my experience set was much smaller than his. > >> On Thu, Jun 27, 2024 at 3:31 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> Great first post, Troy! An oil thread! >> >> Just kidding - glad you’re participating, welcome! >> >> The oil situation has gotten more difficult as oils are modernized or >> designed for current production engines. While for the most part, “oil is >> oil” when it comes to general lubrication, the lack of some additives, >> especially zinc, can make it difficult to be sure you have a “good” oil in >> your engine. M117 engine owners are affected in this manner, and that zinc >> is super critical for top-end lubrication in those engines as well as many >> engines of that vintage. >> >> The most important thing? Change it regularly based on your use, or just >> do it annually of it’s a low-mile annual driver. You could use the cheapest >> oil you could find, and while it may not be ideal, if you change it >> regularly it’s unlikely your engine will suffer. >> >> Granted, these are broad generalizations, but as others have suggested, >> pay close attention to your environment and operating temperature range to >> decide what would be the best choice. Like Curt said, M1 15W-50 is a great >> oil, but not at low ambients. At least not if you’re planning on starting >> your engine. Figure out what is best for you as far as temperature range, >> and go from there. >> >> I've been a proponent of Mobil1 for years, as well as regular oil and >> filter changes. I can’t say I’ve ever had an oil-related issue. I’m sure >> that a brand-name dino oil in the proper viscosity range would work just >> fine for you as well. >> >> It’s like anything else - people have personal preferences for whatever >> reasons, and while they can be helpful in guiding you to a good choice, the >> decision is ultimately yours. >> >> Good shopping! >> >> Dan >> >> >>> On Jun 27, 2024, at 12:13 PM, Troy Kocher via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>> >>> I'm a lurker for many years. I've owned 5 W123's in the early 2000, and >> am >>> really in the mood for one again. >>> >>> Back then we went back & forth on Mobil1 & conventional diesel oil. >> Could >>> you guys offer the most current wisdom. >>> >>> I'm looking at a 1985 300d w/ 320kMi. >>> >>> Thanks >>> Troy >>> 77 240d >>> 81 300d >>> 83 300cd >>> 06 E320 CDI >>> 06 S500 >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel Cadillacs
> In 1983, my dad's Cutlass Ciera 4.3 was rated at 85hp, but it was a pushrod > ohv engine, not OHC. Nothing wrong with pushrods, it only limits RPM. For a diesel, which isn't really high-revving anyway, it's probably preferable. Simpler, easier to service, longer-lasting. My two favorite trucks, the Dodge diesel and the V10, are both pushrod engines. Both are powerful, reliable, and long-lasting. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel Cadillacs
Were the GM diesels turbocharged? When I delivered pizza in the 1980s, one of the drivers had a diesel Chevy Caprice. He never seemed to have issues with it, at least as far as I remember. On Fri, Jun 28, 2024, at 09:17, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: > I was under the impression that GM got it figured out by '82 or so but > the damage was already done. > > That said, even if they "figured it out" reliability wise they never > did make as much power as they should have. If a 3l OM617 can make > 120hp the 5.7l v8 diesel ought to have made in the 150-160hp range, > instead it was more like 100... > > -Curt > > > On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 11:48:23 PM EDT, G Mann via Mercedes > wrote: > > > > > > General Motors diesel cars ruined the diesel car market in America for a > very long time. They did not "get it right" and then did not support what > they built and sold. > > On Thu, Jun 27, 2024 at 5:20 PM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> My dad almost bought a ‘79 Eldorado Barritz Diesel but he decided on a’79 >> Toronado diesel instead. I thought that Eldorado was the living end for an >> American made car … as I was driving around my ‘72 220D invoking the ire of >> all the staunch UAW men in our little town. >> >> AZBob >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Jun 27, 2024, at 5:00 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> > >> > https://www.facebook.com/share/sL93GwjJPoRKueqS/?mibextid=79PoIi >> > >> > Sent from my iPhone >> > >> > ___ >> > http://www.okiebenz.com >> > >> > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> > >> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel Cadillacs
On 2024-06-28 09:17, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: I was under the impression that GM got it figured out by '82 or so but the damage was already done. That said, even if they "figured it out" reliability wise they never did make as much power as they should have. If a 3l OM617 can make 120hp the 5.7l v8 diesel ought to have made in the 150-160hp range, instead it was more like 100... 110-120hp is the turbo. In 1980, the 300D was rated 87hp. In 1983, my dad's Cutlass Ciera 4.3 was rated at 85hp, but it was a pushrod ohv engine, not OHC. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel Cadillacs
> If a 3l OM617 can make 120hp the 5.7l v8 diesel ought to have made in the > 150-160hp range, instead it was more like 100... That's 120 with a turbo. Without it's more like 80. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB heads, advise please
Thanks for the welcome Dan! In my past M1 was exactly what I was using back when buying parts from Rusty and listening to the wise council of Marshal Booth. Not sure if you guys know of them but they both really helped me do the care & feeding of my W123's back in 07. Found it interesting the PPI mechanic I found in Atlanta strongly advised against synthetic in the diesel W123 as he has seen many leaks over the 30,000 cars he has serviced of his time owning the shop. I never had that trouble but my experience set was much smaller than his. On Thu, Jun 27, 2024 at 3:31 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Great first post, Troy! An oil thread! > > Just kidding - glad you’re participating, welcome! > > The oil situation has gotten more difficult as oils are modernized or > designed for current production engines. While for the most part, “oil is > oil” when it comes to general lubrication, the lack of some additives, > especially zinc, can make it difficult to be sure you have a “good” oil in > your engine. M117 engine owners are affected in this manner, and that zinc > is super critical for top-end lubrication in those engines as well as many > engines of that vintage. > > The most important thing? Change it regularly based on your use, or just > do it annually of it’s a low-mile annual driver. You could use the cheapest > oil you could find, and while it may not be ideal, if you change it > regularly it’s unlikely your engine will suffer. > > Granted, these are broad generalizations, but as others have suggested, > pay close attention to your environment and operating temperature range to > decide what would be the best choice. Like Curt said, M1 15W-50 is a great > oil, but not at low ambients. At least not if you’re planning on starting > your engine. Figure out what is best for you as far as temperature range, > and go from there. > > I've been a proponent of Mobil1 for years, as well as regular oil and > filter changes. I can’t say I’ve ever had an oil-related issue. I’m sure > that a brand-name dino oil in the proper viscosity range would work just > fine for you as well. > > It’s like anything else - people have personal preferences for whatever > reasons, and while they can be helpful in guiding you to a good choice, the > decision is ultimately yours. > > Good shopping! > > Dan > > > > On Jun 27, 2024, at 12:13 PM, Troy Kocher via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > I'm a lurker for many years. I've owned 5 W123's in the early 2000, and > am > > really in the mood for one again. > > > > Back then we went back & forth on Mobil1 & conventional diesel oil. > Could > > you guys offer the most current wisdom. > > > > I'm looking at a 1985 300d w/ 320kMi. > > > > Thanks > > Troy > > 77 240d > > 81 300d > > 83 300cd > > 06 E320 CDI > > 06 S500 > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB heads, advise please
This will be my daily driver, as I'll probably unload my 06 CDI w/ 250k needs ABS & the interior is falling apart, my bride is not excited, she loves that car. I owned all my W123s in a previous life. She said she grew up hating the look of the W123 :-) Funny we may have one in the family now.. On Thu, Jun 27, 2024 at 3:13 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Changing the oil annually on my W126 300SD regardless of mileage/oil brand > is a good way to inspect the car and undertake preventive maintenance at > the same time. > > On Thu, Jun 27, 2024 at 4:05 PM OK DonN via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> > wrote: > > > Back when I was an MB Diesel head, in all of our OM 61x and OM60x engines > > I ran Mobil 1. Oil analysis at every change showed that we were OK going > > 20,000 miles between changes. YMMV. > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, June 27th, 2024 at 2:28 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > If you live somewhere that it gets cold at all and you want the dang > > thing to start when its cold out Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel truck, 5w40 is the > > way to go. With conventional 15w40 I never could get a W123 to start much > > below about 10F. With TDT I got my '83 240D to start at -10F which was > > important to me at the time. > > > > > > A block heater removes that issue pretty much entirely as long as you > > can plug it in. > > > > > > IIRC the limiting factor for oil change interval (OCI) on a 617 is the > > soot loading which (again) IIRC limited you to something like 5,000 > miles. > > You'd want real oil analysis to know for sure. > > > > > > The only conventional oil I stock anymore is 15w40 to put in my '52 > > Farmall Super M. It uses 2 gallons of the stuff and for the limited > amount > > it runs every year conventional oil is just fine. Everything else from > the > > lawnmowers to the pickup (diesel tractor, 2 diesel VWs, pressure washer, > > generator, etc) gets synthetic. The cars at 10,000 miles as spec'd by VW, > > the pickup is about the same based on the oil change indicator in the > > truck's computer. > > > > > > -Curt > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 03:14:19 PM EDT, Troy Kocher via Mercedes > > mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm a lurker for many years. I've owned 5 W123's in the early 2000, and > > am > > > really in the mood for one again. > > > > > > Back then we went back & forth on Mobil1 & conventional diesel oil. > Could > > > you guys offer the most current wisdom. > > > > > > I'm looking at a 1985 300d w/ 320kMi. > > > > > > Thanks > > > Troy > > > 77 240d > > > 81 300d > > > 83 300cd > > > 06 E320 CDI > > > 06 S500 > > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB heads, advise please
I'm in Tennessee, only a few cold days. I drive the truck then. Thanks for the tip! On Thu, Jun 27, 2024 at 3:11 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I've been using this lately. > > https://www.lucasoil.com/product/15w-40-magnum-high-tbn-ci-4-oil/ > > Modern diesel oils are for modern engines, not old sooty OM617s. > > It's not great for cold starts, admittedly. But I don't like to drive my > W116 in the winter anyway, trying to keep the rust from progressing any > more than it already has. > > Allan > > > On Thu, Jun 27, 2024, at 16:04, OK DonN via Mercedes wrote: > > Back when I was an MB Diesel head, in all of our OM 61x and OM60x > > engines I ran Mobil 1. Oil analysis at every change showed that we were > > OK going 20,000 miles between changes. YMMV. > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, June 27th, 2024 at 2:28 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes > > wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> If you live somewhere that it gets cold at all and you want the dang > thing to start when its cold out Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel truck, 5w40 is the > way to go. With conventional 15w40 I never could get a W123 to start much > below about 10F. With TDT I got my '83 240D to start at -10F which was > important to me at the time. > >> > >> A block heater removes that issue pretty much entirely as long as you > can plug it in. > >> > >> IIRC the limiting factor for oil change interval (OCI) on a 617 is the > soot loading which (again) IIRC limited you to something like 5,000 miles. > You'd want real oil analysis to know for sure. > >> > >> The only conventional oil I stock anymore is 15w40 to put in my '52 > Farmall Super M. It uses 2 gallons of the stuff and for the limited amount > it runs every year conventional oil is just fine. Everything else from the > lawnmowers to the pickup (diesel tractor, 2 diesel VWs, pressure washer, > generator, etc) gets synthetic. The cars at 10,000 miles as spec'd by VW, > the pickup is about the same based on the oil change indicator in the > truck's computer. > >> > >> -Curt > >> > >> > >> On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 03:14:19 PM EDT, Troy Kocher via Mercedes > mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> I'm a lurker for many years. I've owned 5 W123's in the early 2000, and > am > >> really in the mood for one again. > >> > >> Back then we went back & forth on Mobil1 & conventional diesel oil. > Could > >> you guys offer the most current wisdom. > >> > >> I'm looking at a 1985 300d w/ 320kMi. > >> > >> Thanks > >> Troy > >> 77 240d > >> 81 300d > >> 83 300cd > >> 06 E320 CDI > >> 06 S500 > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB heads, advise please
I remember that, never actually did the analysis. Do you recall where you did that? Or the cost? On Thu, Jun 27, 2024 at 3:05 PM OK DonN via Mercedes wrote: > Back when I was an MB Diesel head, in all of our OM 61x and OM60x engines > I ran Mobil 1. Oil analysis at every change showed that we were OK going > 20,000 miles between changes. YMMV. > > > > > On Thursday, June 27th, 2024 at 2:28 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > > > If you live somewhere that it gets cold at all and you want the dang > thing to start when its cold out Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel truck, 5w40 is the > way to go. With conventional 15w40 I never could get a W123 to start much > below about 10F. With TDT I got my '83 240D to start at -10F which was > important to me at the time. > > > > A block heater removes that issue pretty much entirely as long as you > can plug it in. > > > > IIRC the limiting factor for oil change interval (OCI) on a 617 is the > soot loading which (again) IIRC limited you to something like 5,000 miles. > You'd want real oil analysis to know for sure. > > > > The only conventional oil I stock anymore is 15w40 to put in my '52 > Farmall Super M. It uses 2 gallons of the stuff and for the limited amount > it runs every year conventional oil is just fine. Everything else from the > lawnmowers to the pickup (diesel tractor, 2 diesel VWs, pressure washer, > generator, etc) gets synthetic. The cars at 10,000 miles as spec'd by VW, > the pickup is about the same based on the oil change indicator in the > truck's computer. > > > > -Curt > > > > > > On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 03:14:19 PM EDT, Troy Kocher via Mercedes > mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm a lurker for many years. I've owned 5 W123's in the early 2000, and > am > > really in the mood for one again. > > > > Back then we went back & forth on Mobil1 & conventional diesel oil. Could > > you guys offer the most current wisdom. > > > > I'm looking at a 1985 300d w/ 320kMi. > > > > Thanks > > Troy > > 77 240d > > 81 300d > > 83 300cd > > 06 E320 CDI > > 06 S500 > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] DEF system eliminated - 2012 Sprinter 2500
I haven't heard complaints about the DEF system on the Sprinters like I have on MB's passenger vehicles. Maybe the Freightliner influence made it better? VW's DEF system seems pretty solid. At least I've never had an issue with it in my 2015 Jetta. That reminds me, I have no idea the last time I filled it... -Curt On Friday, June 28, 2024 at 08:42:33 AM EDT, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote: Huge performance boost --FT Sent from iFōn > On Jun 27, 2024, at 9:21 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes > wrote: > > I spend $12/year ($1/month) on DEF fluid for each of my 2014/15 Bluetecs. > Why would I want to disable the system? > >> On Thu, Jun 27, 2024 at 9:58 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> With the money saved on DEF he bought a pinhole camera to take the photos. >> >> >> https://dayton.craigslist.org/cto/d/springboro-mercedes-sprinter-van-2500/7761005919.html >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel Cadillacs
I was under the impression that GM got it figured out by '82 or so but the damage was already done. That said, even if they "figured it out" reliability wise they never did make as much power as they should have. If a 3l OM617 can make 120hp the 5.7l v8 diesel ought to have made in the 150-160hp range, instead it was more like 100... -Curt On Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 11:48:23 PM EDT, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: General Motors diesel cars ruined the diesel car market in America for a very long time. They did not "get it right" and then did not support what they built and sold. On Thu, Jun 27, 2024 at 5:20 PM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > My dad almost bought a ‘79 Eldorado Barritz Diesel but he decided on a’79 > Toronado diesel instead. I thought that Eldorado was the living end for an > American made car … as I was driving around my ‘72 220D invoking the ire of > all the staunch UAW men in our little town. > > AZBob > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jun 27, 2024, at 5:00 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > https://www.facebook.com/share/sL93GwjJPoRKueqS/?mibextid=79PoIi > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 2007 CLS 500 - $6,700
The crappy pics don’t do it justice --FT Sent from iFōn > On Jun 27, 2024, at 8:55 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > > Miles not bad, missing hood ornament but otherwise looks pretty nice. > > Might be worth checking out and negotiating. > > https://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/cto/d/streamwood-2007-mercedes-benz-cls-500/7760990016.html > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] DEF system eliminated - 2012 Sprinter 2500
Huge performance boost --FT Sent from iFōn > On Jun 27, 2024, at 9:21 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes > wrote: > > I spend $12/year ($1/month) on DEF fluid for each of my 2014/15 Bluetecs. > Why would I want to disable the system? > >> On Thu, Jun 27, 2024 at 9:58 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> With the money saved on DEF he bought a pinhole camera to take the photos. >> >> >> https://dayton.craigslist.org/cto/d/springboro-mercedes-sprinter-van-2500/7761005919.html >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
