Re: [MBZ] Local W108 in MD

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

I can't speak to values, other than to echo Dan that generally the crappy
ones aren't worth the effort. And sedans anyway are not worth as much as a
coupé or convertible.

As to the hydropneumatic compensator: a clever but poorly understood
contraption mounted in place of the transverse steel spring on the rear
differential. The idea is that, with some movement over uneven pavement,
the compensator would pump itself up against a nitrogen cushion to provide
height control. Same principle as the hydropneumatic system on the station
wagons: the system only provided a "levelling" function. The clever part
being that the hydropneumatic compensator did not require a pump because it
did that part itself!

They were made by Boge and are available rebuilt provided you have a core
to supply. Last time I checked it was ~$1,500 for a rebuild. I'm sure they
replace a bunch of seals and stuff, but most probably all that fails is
they lose the nitrogen gas charge. Same thing happens on the station wagons
and for that matter the 6.9 system. Different again (essentially a copy of
Citroën's system in the DS from 1955) because there are literally NO steel
springs. The car is totally dependent on the hydraulic system to stay "up",
hence the way the 6.9s sink to the ground if not used. NOT like the W100
and W109 systems, which use air, not hydraulic pressure.

I swapped in the (easily available from Mercedes) spring on my W108 in
place of the compensator. Took about 15 minutes. I have kept it just in
case...

D.



On Sat, 13 Jul 2024, Kaleb Striplin wrote:
>
>What would a reasonable amount to pay
>for one in decent cosmetic shape that
>might need some reasonable mechanical
>work? I would prefer a 4.5, I think. I have
>never had a 108 aside from a few parts
>cars.  I know there is some sort of issue
>with hydraulic suspension compensator
>something or other.
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Re: [MBZ] Local W108 in MD

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

For perspective: my less-than-100k-original-miles California 1972 W108
280SEL 4.5 with original paint and no accidents, full leather interior,
cost $3800 when I bought it in 2007.

I wouldn't drive it ONE FOOT before replacing all the rubber underhood fuel
injection hoses. Any D-Jetronic-equipped engine is a flamethrower waiting
to happen unless those hoses are serviceable.


On Sat, Jul 13, 2024, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

>
> If it were running and moving I might be tempted...
>
> On Fri, Jul 12, 2024 at 8:45?PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > That doesn?t seem like a $4900 car even though it looks pretty nice.
> >
> > --FT
> > Sent from iF?n
> >
> > > On Jul 12, 2024, at 8:15?PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > ?The seller writes:  "I don't have any time [to put the car in running
> > > condition].  The car runs. Selling as is.  The engine turns.  Needs new
> > > gas."
> > >
> > >> On Fri, Jul 12, 2024 at 8:31?AM Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
> > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> All 108s, including 4.5s, could be had with leather and MB Tex.  I
> > current
> > >> own one of each with a 4.5, both short wheelbase.
> > >>
> > >> Even a 250S could have leather.  Only exception might be the odd ball
> > >> 108.015 300SE? the steel sprung M189 powered car?. They might all have
> > >> leather.  I have one in the shop now, it?s quite a machine!
> > >>
> > >> Jaime
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Jaime Kopchinski
> > >> https://classicworkshop.com/
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, Jul 11, 2024 at 4:45?PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> I drove over to have a look. Rust issues  include gaping hole in
> trunk
> > >>> spare tire well, corroded battery tray, holes in rear of both front
> > >>> fenders.  Has been sitting in the sun so all door seals are rotted.
> > >> Still,
> > >>> the interior is surprisingly fresh and there is no bad smell.  Owner
> is
> > >>> going to get it running but front right brake caliper is seized so it
> > >> must
> > >>> be towed away.  Has been in same family for 30+ years and there is a
> > >> paper
> > >>> trail + documents.  Biggest issue would probably be the rust,
> assuming
> > >> the
> > >>> drive train checks out.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Thu, Jul 11, 2024 at 10:07?AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> > >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> >  I like that. Could be a nice rolling resto.
> > 
> >  ?FT
> > 
> >  Sent from my iPad
> > 
> > > On Jul 10, 2024, at 4:47 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> >  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > ?Might be worth a look.  Red interior is special, although the
> engine
> > >>> bay
> > > seems quite corroded.  Thoughts?
> > >
> > 
> > >>>
> > >>
> >
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1185043686174057/?ref=search&referral_code=null&referral_story_type=post&tracking=browse_serp%3Ae231aff8-c301-4ab7-be76-7f36fe58d69f
>
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Re: [MBZ] Local W108 in MD

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

My '72 280 SEL 4.5 has the leather option. Interestingly, even the door
cards are covered in leather.


On Thu, Jul 11, 2024, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

>
> W108 almost universally had MB Tex, whereas the W109 300 SEL 3.5/4.5 were
> standard leather.
>
> On Wed, Jul 10, 2024 at 10:05?PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > We never wore seat belts in the car driving around town when I was a kid.
> > When we were very small we did have car seats, but I'm not sure how
> > effective they were at that time. I think they were more just booster
> seats.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 10, 2024, at 19:08, Craig via Mercedes wrote:
> > > On Wed, 10 Jul 2024 23:00:40 + "dan penoff.com via Mercedes"
> > >  wrote:
> > >
> > >> I had them in a number of cars over the years, and even installed a
> set
> > >> in my 1962 300SE as it didn?t come with any. The weldnuts were in the
> > >> pan but had covers or plugs. I bought a complete set of belts and I
> > >> think it took about 30 minutes to install them.
> > >>
> > >> A good part of the motivation was due to my youngest son, who, after
> > >> being given his first ride in the car, runs inside to tell his Mom,
> > >> ?Mom, Dad?s new car is so old it doesn?t have seat belts!!?
> > >>
> > >> Oops.
> > >
> > > Thanks for the chuckle.
> > >
> > > I recall my father putting seat belts in a new car he bought in 1960,
> but
> > > it was a Ford Falcon, not a 300SE.
> > >
> > >
> > > Craig
> > >
> > >
>
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Re: [MBZ] Digest

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

I also make occasional use of the archives.


On Mon, 10 Jun 2024, Kaleb Striplin wrote:
>
>I'm sorry, I guess digest is not what I
>meant, I meant the archives.  Still no
>value?
>
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Re: [MBZ] RIP W115.114

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Yes, there's a separate line for bodily injury etc. Those amounts are much
higher for obvious reasons.


On Wed, May 8, 2024, Kaleb Striplin wrote:

Correct me if I?m wrong, but uninsured motorist is to cover your injuries
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Re: [MBZ] RIP W115.114

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

I have no collision coverage on any of my six (now five, alas) cars, under
the logic that I would never cause an accident and that the other party
would be insured -- because that's the law. If I did happen to cause an
accident, my liability coverage would handle the other party's claim, and
my punishment would be no relief from whatever damages my side sustained.

Alas, I did not take into account that, unlike my native Toronto, here in
the US it's not uncommon to have uninsured drivers. Which, given how
litigious people are here, seems crazy.

Absent collision coverage, I'm limited to the paltry Uninsured Driver
coverage, which makes no attempt to represent the vehicle's value.

D.


Dan Penoff wrote:

Ouch. As we say in my family, ?Hindsight is always 50-50,? this is a
perfect example of why having a stated value policy is worth it, even on a
$1500 car.

I?ve never (knowingly) had a policy that had a limit on property damage, at
least not one that low. Wouldn?t this be covered under your uninsured
motorist part of the policy?

-D

> On May 8, 2024, at 3:33?PM, David Bruckmann via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> Indeed, the fact that the other party is not insured makes this
> particularly bad. While I'm "covered" for that situation, my insurance
> company's limit is $3500 in property damage. So essentially a useless
> amount that won't even cover the fenders, never mind the rest of the sheet
> metal and paint.
>
> On the bright side, I only paid $1200 for the car. On the dark side, I've
> spent a fortune on replacing the interior, seat pads, engine mounts,
> radiator, yadda yadda. In fact, last weekend I replaced the brake
calipers,
> lines, and pads.
>
> D.
>
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Re: [MBZ] RIP W115.114

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Indeed, the fact that the other party is not insured makes this
particularly bad. While I'm "covered" for that situation, my insurance
company's limit is $3500 in property damage. So essentially a useless
amount that won't even cover the fenders, never mind the rest of the sheet
metal and paint.

On the bright side, I only paid $1200 for the car. On the dark side, I've
spent a fortune on replacing the interior, seat pads, engine mounts,
radiator, yadda yadda. In fact, last weekend I replaced the brake calipers,
lines, and pads.

D.


Subject: Re: [MBZ] RIP W115.114
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Title says it all, Randy.

David, sorry to hear this, but on the bright side you and your
passenger(s), if any, were probably able to walk away from this with nary a
scratch.

I hope you can get some kind of a good settlement. If it?s any consolation,
my former 1998 E320 wagon got rear-ended recently, and initially the
insurance company wanted to fix it. After the body shop got into it, the
insurer decided they wanted to total the car out. 225k on the clock, solid,
well-maintained, but was developing some ?patina?, shall we say.

They offered $5300 out of the gate. I paid $3k for the car in 2017 with
175k in the clock as I recall.

I took the money. Probably could have griped and gotten a little more, but
I just didn?t have the time to deal with it.

-D

> On May 8, 2024, at 1:21?PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> ?On 08/05/2024 3:10 PM, David Bruckmann via Mercedes wrote:
>> On the way home last night, an uninsured idiot ran a red light into my
>> path. My California 1976 300D, original kaledoniengr?n paint with no
rust,
>> took it on the chin. Literally.
>>
>> Both fenders, hood, grille, front fascia, lights, radiator, bumper, etc
>> etc. Aft of the front fenders everything is aligned ok, apart from
"minor"
>> damage to the rear passenger door and quarter panel. The bodywork doesn't
>> concern me as much as the damage to the frame at the front. The wheel is
on
>> a very wrong angle, I fear it is more than just a damaged front subframe.
>>
>> I suspect the car will be written off but will keep you all posted.
Calling
>> my agent now.
>>
>> D.
>
> Every classic driver's worst nightmare.
>
> What did you hit and how well did it stand up to the old MB? Is this a
W115 or a W123? They sold both in 1976.
>
> Randy
>
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[MBZ] RIP W115.114

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

On the way home last night, an uninsured idiot ran a red light into my
path. My California 1976 300D, original kaledoniengrün paint with no rust,
took it on the chin. Literally.

Both fenders, hood, grille, front fascia, lights, radiator, bumper, etc
etc. Aft of the front fenders everything is aligned ok, apart from "minor"
damage to the rear passenger door and quarter panel. The bodywork doesn't
concern me as much as the damage to the frame at the front. The wheel is on
a very wrong angle, I fear it is more than just a damaged front subframe.

I suspect the car will be written off but will keep you all posted. Calling
my agent now.

D.
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Re: [MBZ] MBCA

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

I was taken by surprise when the dues went up recently. I gather the MBCA
was haemorrhaging members by the thousands, so much so that the kickback
that used to come to the local chapters from the "National" level were
suspended, meaning locals had to scramble to raise funds. Others here
likely know a lot more of the details behind that.

I used to enjoy the *Star* magazine, but since their "redesign" they have
almost completely abandoned the tech columns that were really, for me, the
item of primary interest. Not because it isn't possible to find the tech
info online, but because of the variety of things that I wouldn't
necessarily be exposed to for myself; you never know what you might own in
future. I did find their occasional online events pretty good.

For me, the dealer discount isn't worth it because retail dealer prices are
way overinflated. I'd sooner order online from a dealer; the 25-35%
discount on internet orders far exceeds the MBCA discount.

The local MBCA chapter near San Francisco runs First Sunday Drives, but
those seem to involve pretty much only newer MBs. Any of my 1970s MBs would
easily be the oldest vehicles there, by a couple of decades. Lots of
post-2010, computerised appliances that I just have no interest in seeing.
They don't seem to get that it was the W123/W126 that *defined*
dependability for Mercedes.

As with any car club, it's always the same people slaving away, running
everything until they're finally broken and quit. I've seen it with the
Citroën club, the Arcane Club, the Renault club, and lately with the MBCA
Bay Area chapter.

D.


On Mon, Apr 22, 2024 Bob Rentfro wrote:

>
> Anyone participate in this group anymore?
>
> I remember in the late 90s and the early naughts that were, at least here
> in AZ, not really a living group. Membership did afford me a discount when
> I purchased parts at the dealer, one rally-ish journey up the mountain once
> a year, and a Christmas Dinner.
>
> I wonder if the group is evolving just as MB owners are evolving.
>
> AZBob
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT I always thought these were really cool 1980 Maserati merak ss, $65, 500

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Yay! There's a Citroën SM buried underneath all that Eyetalian sheet metal.

D.

On Sun, 7 Apr 2024, Floyd Thursby wrote:

I doubt if I could fit in it but it is still cool

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/404255535531873

-- 
--FT
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Re: [MBZ] '83 Saab worth more than almost any Mercedes

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Those clear plastic fuse box lids are brilliant, and an example of lateral
thinking about the simplest things.

After the GM takeover, Saab engineers and management famously ignored
senior management mandates to "dance with the girl what brung ya", makings
thousands of changes to the common platform as well as the engine
management systems.
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[MBZ] OM617.95 turbo air filters

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Is it just me, or are the genuine air filters from MB suddenly garbage?
It's the third filter (branded MB, but made by Mann in Spain) obtained from
the dealer. It will NOT allow itself to be removed without being completely
destroyed. Very frustrating.
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Re: [MBZ] 2004 W211 4-matic oddities

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Yep, tires are all the same.

Others (thank you) have implicated the 4matic and that's what it feels like
to me. It's not trying to shift, it's just as though someone is
engaging/releasing the clutch repeatedly.

D.

On Thu, 28 Dec 2023 Rick Knoble wrote:
>
>Are all four tires the same size and
>brand?
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[MBZ] 2004 W211 4-matic oddities

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

I'm in Toronto for a couple of weeks and have borrowed my brother's
crumbling 2004 W211 4-matic station wagon WDBUH82J95X170353 with 410,000 km
on it (about 255,000 miles).

When cold, on dry pavement, the drivetrain has a nasty habit of
slipping/grabbing when cruising along. Under aggressive acceleration
there's no issue, it's just when you're cruising or
accelerating/decelerating mildly. It's like a shudder, with the engine RPMs
bouncing up and down. Once warmed up it goes away.

Is this a conductor plate waiting to say goodbye, or something in the
4-matic? He says it has been doing this for years.

Also, imagine my delight in seeing that it's not just my ancient 1970s MBs
that leak at the top of the windshield!

D.
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Re: [MBZ] 2011 Mercedes C300 4 matic - Genuine Mercedes Spart Plug Question

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

According the the MB USA website, here:
https://www.mbusa.com/en/owners/parts/star-parts

"StarParts are designed using a certified development and approval process.
They are new, *cost-optimized parts*. What differentiates them from Genuine
Mercedes-Benz parts is a reduction of additional functions and the targeted
standardization of production variants."

They say "designed for vehicles five years and older".

On Fri, Dec 15, 2023, Robert Koziak wrote:

>
>
> --
>
> Hi all,
> ?I am getting ready to replace the spark plugs on my daughter's 2011 C300
> 4Matic and have a spark plug question: ?
> I purchased 6 Genuine Mercedes Spark Plugs from FCP Euro for $86.00. ? I
> then saw on Ebay for 6 Genuine Mercedes Benz Spark Plugs for my car for
> $21.00 and decided to order those too to see if there was any difference.
> FCP Euro - Genuine Mercedes Part #A 004 159 49 03 90 - Made in Japan
> (Unknown) - $86Ebay - ? ? ? ? Genuine Mercedes Part #A 004 159 18 03 26 -
> Made in Japan (Bosch). ? ?- $21
> They both are packaged in Genuine Mercedes Boxes (See Photos) if allowed
> on the forum.
> Does anyone know the difference? ?Is it worth paying over 4 times the
> price from FCP? ?I will if there is a good reason. ?FCP has been my go to
> vendor with good prices and warranty.
> As always thanks in advance!
> Bob K
>
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Re: [MBZ] W108 heater fan - do I really need to split apart the heater box?

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

I agree that it's not such a nightmare as portrayed. It took a few sessions
of effort but in the end it worked out ok. I'm more worried about getting
it back in!

So then tell me how I get the motor out. I see clips that appear to be
holding the motor body in. Will the fan just slip off the motor shaft?

I'm guessing I should have the heater core pressure tested as well while
it's out.

D.

On Mon, Nov 13, 2023, Jaime Kopchinski wrote:


You do need to split the box, but that?s not the hard part? getting it out
and back in is more difficult.

Overall it?s not a horrible job, it?s just something the internet loves to
complain about.

I?m about to do one in my 4.5, the blower died last winter :(

Jaime


On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 5:32?PM David Bruckmann via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Hello again,
>
> After resting on my laurels for too long, I'm getting ready to replace the
> electric motor in the heater box. It seems to me that this requires
> splitting the box apart in order to extricate the motor. There are wire
> clips that appear to secure the motor itself, but surely the fan needs to
> be pulled off the shaft, no?
>
> Could this be one last, final twist of the knife from the Daimler-Benz
> engineers? It's not enough that they built the whole car around the heater
> box... they had to build the whole car around the fan motor! Sigh.
>
> D.
> 
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[MBZ] W108 heater fan - do I really need to split apart the heater box?

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Hello again,

After resting on my laurels for too long, I'm getting ready to replace the
electric motor in the heater box. It seems to me that this requires
splitting the box apart in order to extricate the motor. There are wire
clips that appear to secure the motor itself, but surely the fan needs to
be pulled off the shaft, no?

Could this be one last, final twist of the knife from the Daimler-Benz
engineers? It's not enough that they built the whole car around the heater
box... they had to build the whole car around the fan motor! Sigh.

D.
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Re: [MBZ] OT what could go wrong -- 1988 Rolls-Royce silver spur, $24, 000

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

If only that body could be forgotten!  Almost as ugly as the Camargue.

What you *want* is a pre-69 Silver Shadow, which of course used Citroën
hydropneumatic suspension on all four wheels. Later cars only used it on
the rear.

D.


On Mon, 30 Oct 2023, Floyd Thursby wrote:

The body style on these is somewhat forgettable

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1023090722076085

FT
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Re: [MBZ] Presenting my beloved 1977 Mercedes Benz 300D

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Those headlights! How does someone go to all that trouble (including the
*blech* white turn signals!) and then NOT seal them properly?!? Water is
literally RUNNING down the inside of the passenger-side headlamp. And
they're not even flush w the hood!

Egads!



On Mon, 23 Oct 2023, Allan Streib wrote:

Some serious dash cracking going on there along with the crack smoking.

https://toledo.craigslist.org/cto/d/toledo-mercedes-benz-300d/7680026596.html
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Re: [MBZ] Sweet Interior

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Correct.

On Fri, Oct 20, 2023 at 11:22 AM Andrew Strasfogel 
wrote:

> In 1972?
>
> On Fri, Oct 20, 2023 at 2:20 PM David Bruckmann via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> That would have been the R107. The W116 followed it.
>>
>> On Fri, 20 Oct 2023, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>> >
>> >Was this the first model with a six digit odometer?
>> >
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Re: [MBZ] Sweet Interior

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

That would have been the R107. The W116 followed it.

On Fri, 20 Oct 2023, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>
>Was this the first model with a six digit odometer?
>
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Re: [MBZ] Sweet Interior

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

My '79 300SD has a hinged cover like the ones shown. I don't know whether
there were ever cars without hinges. In early cars they were made of metal,
later ones made of breakable plastic: is it possible that's what happened
to yours?

On Fri, Oct 20, 2023 at 8:35 AM Allan Streib wrote:

>
> The hinges on the spare tire cover are not original are they? In my '79
> 300SD the entire cover panel just pulls out, it is not hinged.
>
> >
> >> On Oct 20, 2023, at 10:44 AM, Bob Rentfro wrote:
> >>
> >> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/496670559337091/
> >>
> >> AZBob
> >>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Uhhh?..Come Again?

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

I think Jorge, the seller, meant «hydraulic suspension», which it does
appear to have (see knob to the right of the light switch) and which would
be extremely rare in the US. "You're welcome", say the Citroën engineers
who invented it.


On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 Bob Rentfro wrote:

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/806861014233996/
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Re: [MBZ] Windows 11

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

That is NOT normal behaviour for W11.


On Fri, 6 Oct 2023, Kaleb Striplin wrote:

I will get used to it my my main issue is going into different settings
windows the selections are blank. If I hover over then thru sometimes
appear for a split second. Perhaps hard to tell from these pics but you can
see blank ?tiles? and if you move mouse around the wording appears.
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Re: [MBZ] Today's Project - CL600

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

FWIW, when I last ordered front pads for my '79 300SD (WDB11612012010864) with
Bendix calipers, Tom Hanson of the Classic Centre gave me 001-420-78-20
($42 before discount) as the correct number, and they did fit (tight!).

D.

On Sun, Oct 1, 2023, Allan and Craig wrote:

>
> On Sat, 30 Sep 2023 21:22:17 -0500 "Allan Streib" 
> wrote:
>
> > I had the same problem with my '79 300SD when I replaced the front
> > calipers. I ended up filing part of the caliper body for clearance. I
> > actually now don't remember if the pads didn't fit, or maybe it was the
> > caliper that didn't quite fit the bracket without bumping into
> > something.
> >
> > I think different calipers could be used, almost randomly, mainly ATE
> > or Girling, not sure if there were others. You need to look at what you
> > have and order the same type. I didn't do that.
>
> I think the 1980 also
> The service manual in Section 42-220 says,
>
> Attention!
> Models 116.024, 116.033, and 116.120  (USA)  1980
> are provided with modified calipers with linings 17.5 mm
> thick and modified, vented break disks, which are
> identified with a groove at their circumference.
>
> So I know something's up with the 1980 300SD. I think the 1980 versions
> also used Bendix.
>
> I called the Classic Center, but the fellow could only tell me part
> numbers and not what changed.
>
> In looking at the pictures of calipers on RockAuto's website, I see some
> calipers which have a raised boss which would move the caliper inboard a
> little (which is where my pads don't fit).
>
> I am thinking someone changed the calipers on my 300SD and used the ones
> for 1978 or 1979 instead of 1980.
>
> So, I may have to add new calipers to my on-hand new disks and pads.
>
> Craig
>
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Re: [MBZ] Help - WDDGF8AB2DR288607 2013 Mercedes C300

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

I have direct experience, and yes it can be a nightmare.

Putting aside the question of whether any of these modules are so-called
"theft relevant" parts (which MB might be unwilling to sell to mere
mortals), there is the advantage that this would just be labour, not
jackhammering like earlier cars when the ignition lock decides to fail.

I still cannot believe how lucky I was that when the column lock (not the
lock cylinder... the actual column lock) failed on my 1979 300SD W116 in
110F heat on the square in Sonoma, CA, an hour from home.

We had been driving and stopped for ice cream. Got back into the car and I
could not turn the key to "on". By some miracle I was able to turn it *barely
*far enough to unlock the column so that the car could be driven. But how
to start it? Ah, a quick jumping of the starter solenoid did the trick.
Because the key could not be turned to "on", we had no turn signals, no
alternator, no ventilation. Luckily we had left the windows down, which was
a lifesaver during the sweltering 1+ hour drive home!

Then came the gruesome project of extricating the column lock without being
able to remove the lock cylinder! Again, by pure luck, the key turned JUST
far enough to disengage the anti-theft device that prevents removal of the
column lock. Mine was also not the later type (eg W124, later W126) where
unless the key is in the "on" position, you cannot disconnect the
electrical components at the back of the column lock.

The whole thing took about a day to R&R but in the end, successful! Out of
an abundance of caution, I ordered a replacement ignition lock cylinder
(originals are NLA and the "service" cylinders are slightly different and
need adapting to be installed), and in the end it worked out. I've saved
the functional original lock cylinder in case I ever want to put it back. I
might one day get around to refurbishing it. It's a relatively simple
system inside.

D.

On Thu, Sep 28, 2023, Allan Streib wrote:

>
> A W123 can get you into a pretty pickle as well if the lock cylinder jams.
> Very difficult to drill out or remove in other ways if you can't turn it.
> Or so I'm told, no direct experience.
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 28, 2023, at 08:53, Michael Esh via Mercedes wrote:
> > Update. Repair estimate at Mercedes Dealer
> > $2850.00. Not sure pdf of estimate will send but the repair looks
> > fairly complicated. I?m splitting the cost of repair with my son.
> > Issue is locked steering wheel and no crank /start.
> > Steering Lock Module - $505
> > Ignition Switch- $735
> > Program 2 keys - $270
> > Labor - $1224
> > Involves removing entire steering column.
> > This really makes me appreciate my W123?s
> >
> >
> > Michael E. Esh
> >
> >
> >> On Sep 24, 2023, at 1:55 PM, Michael Esh  wrote:
> >>
> >> ?Jumpstart did not help.  From watching some vids it appears to be an
> ELS (electric steering lock) issue.  It seems to be in locked position and
> according to vids it is a $2000 repair from Mercedes.  I?ll call dealership
> in the morning.
> >>
> >>
> >> Michael E. Esh
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Sep 23, 2023, at 6:27 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> ?The first thought is the battery. EIS likely locks the steering
> column with a solenoid, so no power, no unlock. The battery could have
> enough juice to run the radio but not the rest of the car. Once voltage
> falls below a certain point stuff either gets wonky or just doesn?t work.
> >>>
> >>> Good luck, let us know how it goes.
> >>>
> >>> -D
> >>>
> > On Sep 23, 2023, at 6:23?PM, Michael Esh via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>  Fairly new to us 2013 Mercedes C300.  Son purchased a couple of
> months ago.  About 150,000 miles on it.
>  Not sure why but it will not turn over.  He parked it at the mall and
> when he came out it would not fire up.  Steering wheel is in lock position
> and turned to the far right and does not unlock when key is turned.  Is the
> steering lock supposed to release with key or when the car starts?  The key
> turns all the way in the ignition but there is zero response, no clicks or
> sounds.   The battery seems to be working as the radio works normally.
>  Any thoughts about what we might check or trouble shoot before we
> call the tow truck?
>  Thanks, Mike
> 
> 
>  Michael E. Esh
> 
> **
>
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Re: [MBZ] 2023 concours d'lemons

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Delighted to see that, as usual, Citroëns swept the "Worst in Show" and
"Unmitigated Gaul" categories!

On Sat, Sep 23, 2023, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

https://24hoursoflemons.com/2023-california-concours-dlemons-photos-winners/
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Re: [MBZ] What will those clever Germans think of next?

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Interesting, I've never seen that on a 116, and my '79 300SD certainly
doesn't have it.

Perhaps a dealer option?

D.

On Mon, Sep 4, 2023, Craig wrote:

>
> I had noticed the "enclosure" around the battery of my 1980 W116 300SD and
> thought it a little odd, since it appears to seal to the underside of the
> hood.
>
> Today I figured out what it is for: Keeping the battery cooler than the
> engine compartment in the location of the turbo!
>
> The first picture shows the overall arrangement of the battery and its
> "enclosure".
>
> The second picture shows the detail of the front end of the strange
> appendage to the "box" laying on top of the front headlight and radiator
> support. There are corresponding slots on the inside of the front edge of
> the enclosure through which outside air can flow to the inside of the
> battery enclosure.
>
>
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] OT Chrysler Maserati

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

The Chrysler TC had a particularly special ability to set itself on fire:

https://jalopnik.com/how-the-chrysler-tc-by-maserati-could-set-itself-on-fir-1847027186


On 2023-08-02 19:26, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

> > Parked next to a small red convertible today, it had Maserati badging
> > but looked a lot like a K car. It was a Chrysler TC ?by Maserati.?
> >
> > Had never heard of this crossbreed. I can only imagine the Maserati
> > employees in Italy must have been horrified at having to build them.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Tires for old cars

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

The tires are tubeless, but would originally have had tubes and can be run
safely with or without depending on the application.

On the DS, with rim landings that are not "safety landings", you ought to
run tubes, but plenty of people do not. The 2CV tires are also tubeless.
But since the rims frequently leak, tubes are a help. In both cases the
tires are designed to safely accommodate tubes, not a given for most modern
tires because of heat buildup.

And yes, price is high, but again depends on how you use the car. Export
price is without VAT. Free shipping to the US.


On Tue, Jul 25, 2023 Craig wrote:

>
>
> I noticed on all of their pages, Longstone has inner tubes listed.
>
> Were the original fitments with inner tubes?
>
> Are they helpful or required?
>
> I also noticed they list prices both with and without VAT.
> Which price does a US buyer pay?
>
>
> > > Longstone has Michelin XWX in 205/70/14, but they're even more
> > > expensive:
> > >
> > >
> https://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/tyres/205-70-14/205-70wr14-michelin-xwx.html
> >
> > I'll settle for vague...
>
> I will agree with Andrew -- nearly $500 for an automobile tire is quite
> high. I can buy tires for my Kenworth for that, and those tires weigh on
> the order of 135 pounds!
>
>
> Craig
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Tires for old cars

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Longstone has Michelin XWX in 205/70/14, but they're even more expensive:

https://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/tyres/205-70-14/205-70wr14-michelin-xwx.html

Ditto the Pirelli Cinturato:

https://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/tyres/195-75-14/205-70wr14-pirelli-cinturato-cn36.html

D.


On Tue, Jul 25, 2023, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

>
>
> Where can I find genuine Micehlins in my size?  205/70/14
>
> On Tue, Jul 25, 2023 at 3:32?PM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Those 2CV tires are adorable.
> >
> > AZBob
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Jul 25, 2023, at 12:02 PM, David Bruckmann via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > ?Vague in a bad way. Not quite bad enough for me to get rid of them,
> but
> > bad
> > > enough that I would never repeat the error.
> > >
> > > I'm thinking of ordering a set of Michelin MXV-P tires
> > > https://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/185hr14-michelin-mxv-p.html from
> > > Longstone. I've ordered from them for my Citro?ns several times over
> the
> > > years. Note that these are genuine Michelins, not licensed copies. For
> a
> > > while they were made in France, lately in Serbia.
> > >
> > > The 2CV got a set of
> > > https://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/125sr15-michelin-x.html and the DS
> got
> > > https://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/180hr15-michelin-xas.html on the
> > *front*
> > > and narrower
> https://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/165vr15-michelin-xas.html
> > on
> > > the *rear*, as was supplied from the factory!
> > >
> > > The tires arrived quickly (ordered from UK on Monday, received in
> > > California on Friday) and were cheaper than Coker. Generally free
> > shipping.
> > > Of course vastly more expensive than the Kinergy ($250/tire vs $90),
> but
> > > also vastly better, IMHO. Depends on how you use the car.
> > >
> > > D.
> > >
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Tires for old cars

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Vague in a bad way. Not quite bad enough for me to get rid of them, but bad
enough that I would never repeat the error.

I'm thinking of ordering a set of Michelin MXV-P tires
https://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/185hr14-michelin-mxv-p.html from
Longstone. I've ordered from them for my Citroëns several times over the
years. Note that these are genuine Michelins, not licensed copies. For a
while they were made in France, lately in Serbia.

The 2CV got a set of
https://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/125sr15-michelin-x.html and the DS got
https://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/180hr15-michelin-xas.html on the *front*
and narrower https://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/165vr15-michelin-xas.html on
the *rear*, as was supplied from the factory!

The tires arrived quickly (ordered from UK on Monday, received in
California on Friday) and were cheaper than Coker. Generally free shipping.
Of course vastly more expensive than the Kinergy ($250/tire vs $90), but
also vastly better, IMHO. Depends on how you use the car.

D.


On Tue, Jul 25, 2023 at 11:26 AM Andrew Strasfogel 
wrote:

> "Vague" in a good way or ...?
>
> On Tue, Jul 25, 2023 at 2:25 PM David Bruckmann via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> I put Kinergy 195/75R-14 tires on my W116, mostly because they most
>> closely
>> matched the circumference and characteristics of the original 185/80R14
>> tires. *They are vague* compared to the Michelin 205/70/14 it had
>> previously!
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 25, 2023, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Limited choice of brands for my W126 300SD 205/70/14 (Michelin
>> discontinued
>> > them) I will probably buy a set of Hankook Kinergy all season tires now
>> > that Walmart is having a sale.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> https://www.walmart.com/ip/Hankook-Kinergy-ST-H735-All-Season-205-70R14-95T-Passenger-Tire/568267761?athbdg=L1300
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 10:45?PM Clay via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > For r107 I went with General Altimax H rated as alternative to
>> Vredstein
>> > V
>> > > rated.  Same works well for w115 as well as the w126 SDL/SD.  I did
>> one
>> > SDL
>> > > in cheep cheep chinee rubber that was AMAZING in Montana blizzard at
>> > > midnight coming and going a few years back.  Probably anomalous in
>> > extreme,
>> > > but good in wet/dry/slick snow at speed for 20k miles
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Clay
>> > >
>> > > > On Jul 24, 2023, at 5:51 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > What tires does everyone like these days for older 107/116/123/126
>> > cars?
>> >
>>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Tires for old cars

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

I put Kinergy 195/75R-14 tires on my W116, mostly because they most closely
matched the circumference and characteristics of the original 185/80R14
tires. *They are vague* compared to the Michelin 205/70/14 it had
previously!


On Tue, Jul 25, 2023, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

>
> Limited choice of brands for my W126 300SD 205/70/14 (Michelin discontinued
> them) I will probably buy a set of Hankook Kinergy all season tires now
> that Walmart is having a sale.
>
>
> https://www.walmart.com/ip/Hankook-Kinergy-ST-H735-All-Season-205-70R14-95T-Passenger-Tire/568267761?athbdg=L1300
>
> On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 10:45?PM Clay via Mercedes 
> wrote:
>
> > For r107 I went with General Altimax H rated as alternative to Vredstein
> V
> > rated.  Same works well for w115 as well as the w126 SDL/SD.  I did one
> SDL
> > in cheep cheep chinee rubber that was AMAZING in Montana blizzard at
> > midnight coming and going a few years back.  Probably anomalous in
> extreme,
> > but good in wet/dry/slick snow at speed for 20k miles
> >
> >
> > Clay
> >
> > > On Jul 24, 2023, at 5:51 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > What tires does everyone like these days for older 107/116/123/126
> cars?
>
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Re: [MBZ] W108 heater o-rings

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

False alarm! Turns out both of these o-rings are available once again from
MB:

Seal Ring, VLRUB - Mercedes-Benz (000-835-58-98)
Replaces 000-835-12-98
MSRP: $7.00
Discount: $1.81 (25.9% off)
Sale Price: $5.19

Seal - Mercedes-Benz (000-835-48-98)
MSRP: $3.40
Discount: $0.88 (25.9% off)
Sale Price: $2.52



On Tue, Jul 11, 2023 at 1:51 PM David Bruckmann  wrote:

> Good day,
>
> I'm in the middle of the nightmare of removing the heater core from my
> W108.068. This was prompted by the death of the fan motor. Since I'm in
> there and they're leaking a tad, I will be replacing the o-rings at the two
> valves. I gather it's 000-835-12-98 and 000-835-13-98 and that one or the
> other is NLA from MB.
>
> Does anyone have any leads on the substitute? I gather one or the other is
> an x-profile, which I'm betting is what's NLA.
>
> Appreciate any thoughts on the o-rings, cables, or any other aspect of
> this epic job.
>
> D.
>
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Re: [MBZ] W108 heater o-rings

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Thank you Allan, will check that out.

On Wed, Jul 12, 2023 at 07:35 Allan Streib  wrote:

> https://www.mcmaster.com/products/o-rings/cross-section-shape~x/
>
> On Wed, Jul 12, 2023, at 09:31, David Bruckmann via Mercedes wrote:
> > The trouble is that the NLA rings are not o-rings, they are an x profile.
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 11, 2023 Dan Penoff wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Of course they're metric, but you should be able to find something in
> the
> >> "majik boxes" at your local hardware store. Not sure where I got my last
> >> set, but it wasn't from Mercedes.
> >>
> >> -D
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] W108 heater o-rings

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

The trouble is that the NLA rings are not o-rings, they are an x profile.


On Tue, Jul 11, 2023 Dan Penoff wrote:

>
> Of course they're metric, but you should be able to find something in the
> "majik boxes" at your local hardware store. Not sure where I got my last
> set, but it wasn't from Mercedes.
>
> -D
> 
>
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[MBZ] W108 heater o-rings

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Good day,

I'm in the middle of the nightmare of removing the heater core from my
W108.068. This was prompted by the death of the fan motor. Since I'm in
there and they're leaking a tad, I will be replacing the o-rings at the two
valves. I gather it's 000-835-12-98 and 000-835-13-98 and that one or the
other is NLA from MB.

Does anyone have any leads on the substitute? I gather one or the other is
an x-profile, which I'm betting is what's NLA.

Appreciate any thoughts on the o-rings, cables, or any other aspect of this
epic job.

D.
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Re: [MBZ] W116 parking brakes

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

AFAIK, only the 6.9 had torque compensation. I would imagine the chapter on
the rear axle would cover which models had what design.


Craig wrote:

Has anyone had experience with these? Or those of another model?

I am reading 42-530 and it isn't entirely clear.

It has illustrations of two rear brake and parking brake assemblies.

The first is titled, "Diagonal swing axle layout."

The second is titled, "Diagonal swing axle with initial torque
   compensation."

It does not, however, tell how to distinguish between the two or how to
determine which one's car has.

The difference is in the reassembly:

11. Install adjusting device (21 through 23) in both brake shoes, that
adjusting wheel (22) of diagonal swing axle faces forward.

  versus

12. Adjusting wheel (22) of diagonal swing axle with starting torque
compensation must face down.


In addition, getting the springs out without the special tools is rather
difficult. Any suggestions are greatly appreciated.


Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Glow plug relay

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

I may have missed it, but did you confirm there's actually power at the
relay? In other words, put a meter between the (supposed) 12V feed and a
ground point such as the engine or negative battery terminal. I don't
remember if the W124 relays have a strip fuse like the W116 and later W123
relays...

On Fri, Jun 9, 2023, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:

If I want to rig a new ground, what type/gauge wire should I use. This
stuff is a bit outside of my comfort zone.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 9, 2023, at 12:02 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> ?Does it really matter? I think I would add a new ground to something
close by and see if that fixed the problem. If it does, then you can either
leave your temporary fix in place permanently, or track down the original
wiring until you find the connection to ground.
>
> Randy
>
>
>> On 09/06/2023 10:50 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote:
>> So I?m back to it. It seems like the relay has no ground. I attached a
test light from the power lug on the relay to the number 4 socket (which
corresponds to ground) on the harness and nothing. So I?m guessing the
ground wire is problematic. Does anyone know where, on the body of the car,
the relay is grounded? Thanks.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
 On May 16, 2023, at 8:43 PM, Dimitri Seretakis 
wrote:
>>>
>>> ?Thanks again! I will try the test light trick to test the ground and
report back.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
 On May 15, 2023, at 9:27 PM, Frederick Moir via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

 ?Dimitri.
 The cover of the 5/6 pin connector is just clipped on, it is removable.
 N.B. The cover keeps the connector pins and wires in place, make sure
to
 keep them in order.
 Simple test for ground.
 Using a turn signal bulb in a socket with two wires. One wire to Pos on
 battery, the other to Ground in the socket. If the bulb lights
brightly,
 the connection is capable of passing a couple of amps, therefore good
 enough to power the relay.
 A meter will only tell you if there is any connection, not if it will
pass
 enough current to work.
 If I have misunderstood your question, I apologise.
 Fred.

 --
 Fred Moir
 Lynn MA
 Diesel preferred

>
> 
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Bornite

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

If you mean the (exorbitantly priced) little kit w spring clip and nylon
washer that links the lifter to the glass carrier rail, it is NLA from
Mercedes-Benz. Which I find surprising, since it's practically a
consumable.

The sliding jaws were still available when I ordered some for my 116 a few
months ago.

D.

On Sun, 30 Apr 2023, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

The door panel can be removed in under 10 minutes to trouble shoot.  As I
said, it's usually the plastic slide on the regulator arm.

On Sun, Apr 30, 2023, Kaleb Striplin wrote:

> I'm not sure, but the rear window dose
> not role down, but it appears to be
> stuck down.
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Re: [MBZ] 600SL for somebody

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

A distant acquaintance of mine scored one several months ago. He didn't
realise until he saw the car that it was the V12.

In very good condition (Silicon Valley) and well maintained by someone with
a lot of money. Are they really such a nightmare to keep on the road?

D.


On Sun, Apr 23, 2023, Kaleb wrote:

>
> Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2023 17:44:08 -0500
> From: Kaleb Striplin 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: [MBZ] 600SL for somebody
>
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/951975022601653/?mibextid=6ojiHh
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Thistle? Green -- One owner Mercedes 240D - $25, 900 (southside)

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

That's Caledoniengrün. But what's with the gaudy pinstripe and the dark
green door frames?


On Thu, 23 Feb 2023 Floyd Thursby wrote:

https://jacksonville.craigslist.org/cto/d/jacksonville-one-owner-mercedes-240d/7592225671.html
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Re: [MBZ] Windshield gaskets on cars such as the 123

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

There is a specific sealant specified by Mercedes-Benz. It is not
prohibitively expensive and remains firm but pliant for years. I believe it
is identified by part number in the windshield replacement instructions.


Kaleb Striplin wrote:

*When replacing these, you install the gasket and do not use any sort of
sealant, correct? If using a sealant, seems like maybe it would cause rust?*
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Re: [MBZ] Todays 116 update

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

I have the CD and can send you the CIS sections tomorrow night. Just LMK
which jobs you want.

On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 Kaleb Striplin wrote:
>
>I am looking thru what is available on
>116. Some good info is there but the
>sections I really need Str missing. I need
>to dig thru WIS and see what?s there.
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Re: [MBZ] It?s a shame this is a turd?

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Duh! Seat heater switches.

On Sun, Dec 18, 2022, David Bruckmann wrote:

> I wonder what the buttons are on both B-pillars...
>
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Re: [MBZ] service manuals

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Specifically:

https://handbook.w116.org/Engine/117/07_3-MechElec/

On Sat, Dec 17, 2022, Allan Streib wrote:

>
> Check https://www.w116.org/
>
> On Sat, Dec 17, 2022, at 18:16, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> > Does anyone have the 116 service manuals uploaded somewhere, or have a
> > link?? I might have the CDs around here somewhere but not sure where.
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Re: [MBZ] Quick tour of Okie Acres and shop

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

I'm glad to that the brown California W115 300D you kindly adopted from my
colleague, featured in your video, is among the chosen ones.  That's a
well-sorted, excellent car. Just a mysterious, progressive loss of oil
pressure (even at speed) en route from California to Montréal. But lots of
new parts, incl the windshield and seal, prop shaft bearing, etc.

On 30 Nov 2022, Kaleb Striplin

wrote:

https://youtu.be/Ubj4RRlWAhw

Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] This is an odd one -- R129 280SL M110 engine

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

The R129 never came with an M110. It was either an M104 or an M112, and in
both cases not in the US and not marketed as a 280SL, rather as an SL280.
It certainly would not have shipped with a carb, which this one appears to
have.

On Sat, Nov 26, 2022 at 8:46 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The car is trashed but interesting build on an early 129
>
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/380016374317762
>
> --
> --FT
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Re: [MBZ] W108 heater levers - disconnecting tips?

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Replacing the previously embedded image, which somehow ended up being an
HEIC-esque format.
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Re: [MBZ] W116 adjustment of power windows

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

If you mean the "clamping jaw" that rides the vertical rail, I replaced
that. I also replaced the (NLA!) regulator kit that slides along the
horizontal railing below the glass. It surprises me that they are NLA,
since they're basically consumable.

On Tue, Sep 27, 2022, Mitch wrote:

>
> On 2022-09-27 15:57, David Bruckmann via Mercedes wrote:
> > Good afternoon,
> >
> > I'm noticing on my W116 that the power windows, particularly the front
> > passenger-side, "twist" as the are raised/lowered. Meaning the window
> > tips
> > forward during raising and backward during lowering.
> >
> > Is there some kind of adjustment of the vertical rails in the door? I
> > see
> > there's inboard/outboard adjustment for the vertical rail, but I don't
> > see
> > a fore-aft adjustment.
> >
> > Or, put another way, how do I get the window to stop twisting like
> > that.
>
> There's a plastic guide piece that probably disintegrated 20 years ago.
> But I don't remember the details. Seems like there was a repair kit for
> under $10 each, probably $40 each these days.
>
>
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[MBZ] W116 adjustment of power windows

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Good afternoon,

I'm noticing on my W116 that the power windows, particularly the front
passenger-side, "twist" as the are raised/lowered. Meaning the window tips
forward during raising and backward during lowering.

Is there some kind of adjustment of the vertical rails in the door? I see
there's inboard/outboard adjustment for the vertical rail, but I don't see
a fore-aft adjustment.

Or, put another way, how do I get the window to stop twisting like that.

Thanks,

D.

PS: the genuine front driver's side regulator is NLA, passenger side is
still out there but I assume not for long. My replacement aftermarket
lifter for the driver's side lasted about two weeks.
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Re: [MBZ] Cleaning fuel sender

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

*Subtotal:* $478.45
*Estimated Shipping to 94609 via Standard Shipping:* $25.82
*Tax:* $45.45
*Total:* $549.72

On Sun, Sep 18, 2022 at 09:39 Andrew Strasfogel 
wrote:

> Their price for a GLK 250 fuel filler cap was good but shopping was
> expensive.  Is there a limit above which ground shipping is free?
>
> On Sun, Sep 18, 2022 at 12:28 PM David Bruckmann via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> I recently stumbled upon Keyes Mercedes in CA. Their prices for many
>> things
>> are lower than most I've seen online.
>>
>> For example:
>> Rubber mat 108-684-01-05
>>
>> https://parts.keyesmercedes.com/oem-parts/mercedes-benz-rubber-mat-1086840105
>>
>> Retail $240, their price $168.48 (29.8% discount). You'd avoid sales tax
>> being outside CA.
>>
>> FWIW
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 17 Sep 2022, Kaleb Striplin wrote:
>> >
>> >It appears the sender is still available but
>> >is around $200.? I do not believe I have
>> >one laying around as it appears to be
>> >only for late gas 116.
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Re: [MBZ] Cleaning fuel sender

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

I recently stumbled upon Keyes Mercedes in CA. Their prices for many things
are lower than most I've seen online.

For example:
Rubber mat 108-684-01-05
https://parts.keyesmercedes.com/oem-parts/mercedes-benz-rubber-mat-1086840105

Retail $240, their price $168.48 (29.8% discount). You'd avoid sales tax
being outside CA.

FWIW


On Sat, 17 Sep 2022, Kaleb Striplin wrote:
>
>It appears the sender is still available but
>is around $200.? I do not believe I have
>one laying around as it appears to be
>only for late gas 116.
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Re: [MBZ] Cleaning fuel sender

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

They might still be available new from MB. I just bought one for my 108.
Took apart the old one and cleaned it (with DeOxIT) to keep as a spare.


On Sat, 17 Sep 2022, Kaleb Striplin wrote:

Next I will clean up the fuel sender for the 116. Hopefully it?s able to be
saved. I have not taken the tube off yet. Should I take it off and let it
soak in the parts washer for like a week, or maybe let it soak in something
else before I start cleaning on it?
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Re: [MBZ] Classic Center retirement

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

I agree re; NLA parts. And not just obscure stuff, but for example the
window regulator kit (the little nylon disc and clip) is NLA. Which is nuts.


Kaleb Striplin wrote:
But they do not have anything that a normal dealer could not order?
Correct? The number of common parts that are becoming NLA is alarming.

> On Aug 31, 2022, at 4:32 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> ?The classic center is alive and well, and even just moved into a new
(much
> larger) facility inside the Long Beach VPC.  Tom retired months ago, but
> hes still active online.  I get parts deliveries all the time from them,
> still excellent service and loads of parts in stock.
>
> Jaime
>
>> On Wed, Aug 31, 2022 at 4:16 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> I have not heard that. I don?t think the classic center really does much
>> anymore anyway does it? They only have the same parts any other dealer
has
>> as far as I know.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Aug 31, 2022, at 3:14 PM, David Bruckmann via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?I may be late to the party, but I recently learned that Tom Hanson has
>>> retired from the MB Classic Center.
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[MBZ] Classic Center retirement

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

I may be late to the party, but I recently learned that Tom Hanson has
retired from the MB Classic Center.
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Re: [MBZ] Damn CA "Sitting in a Garage" Back Payments to DMV

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

As a Californian with six vehicles, I can tell you that it is completely
normal to have the pink slip, whether or not the registration is paid.

I do *not* know, however, whether the CA government has any agreements with
other states to disallow transfer without payment of the back taxes.

D.

On Sat, 27 Aug 2022 Dan Penoff wrote:

If you're in a state that will accept a bill of sale rather than a title
you could go that way and avoid the pink slip crap from CA.

Otherwise, you'll have to settle up with CA to get a title.

-D
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Re: [MBZ] Fuel drain - 24mm hex substitute?

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Thanks everyone. Found a 24mm driver for $9, reduced from ~$35. But good to
know about the spark plug socket. I should have thought to try that!


On Tue, 23 Aug 2022, Jaime Kopchinski wrote:

Randy is correct, you can use an upsidedown spark plug socket.

Jaime


On Mon, Aug 22, Randy Bennell wrote:

> If I recall correctly, I used a spark plug socket upside down. Use the
> socket that has the sort of hex nut machined into the top of it and then
> use an extension pushed in from the bottom. Might need to remove the
> rubber tube that is supposed to hold the spark plug so it does not fall
> out.
>
> Randy
>
>
> > On Sun, 21 Aug 2022 13:24:40 -0700 David Bruckmann wrote:
> >
> >> Good afternoon,
> >>
> >> What do people use for r & r of the fuel filter/drain for W108, 115,
116
> >> etc?
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[MBZ] Fuel drain - 24mm hex substitute?

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Good afternoon,

What do people use for r & r of the fuel filter/drain for W108, 115, 116
etc?

I measured it as a 24mm, but those seem very scarce on the ground. Anyone
used a 15/16ths hex instead? I'd just grab it with vice grips to install,
but it seems pretty fragile.

D.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: West Coast Citroen Rendez Vous Twenty-Two

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

(Once again, if anyone's feeling like seeing how the French do it...)

Interest has been strong for this year’s West Coast Citroën Rendez Vous,
October 21st through 23rd, 2022, in Sonora, California

Save $10 per person if you register before September 1, 2022!


*THE VENUE*
After considering locations all the way from Pacific Grove east through
Salinas and San Juan Bautista, we are pleased to announce that we settled
on Sonora.

In the beautiful Sierra Nevada Foothills and at the very heart of
California's "Gold Country", the town is named after the miners from Sonora
Mexico who settled the City in 1848. Known as the "Queen of the Southern
Mines", Sonora still holds on to its historic downtown charm while thriving
as the commercial, government and cultural center for the region.

Our home base for the weekend will be the Best Western Sonora Oaks Hotel.
Rooms include a full breakfast, WiFi, and access to the on-site pool. Our
group rate is $144/night and they've agreed to offer that rate for 30
rooms. After that it is market rate, which is usually about $165/night.

IMPORTANT: in addition to registering for the Rendez Vous here:

https://forms.gle/ENARZ17WhDH8Pp6bA

You MUST separately make a hotel booking at this link:

https://www.bestwestern.com/en_US/book/hotel-rooms.05408.html?groupId=3X5TE0C1


*THE PROGRAMME*
On Friday night you're encouraged to join us for a casual, prepare-your-own
dinner on the hotel BBQ, or drop by for drinks before exploring dinner
options in town. We will send more information about that as the date
approaches.

On Saturday morning we'll head out on a scenic drive through incredibly
beautiful foothills. Our endpoint will be the home of longtime SFRCCC
members Susan and Peter Kendall. There we will enjoy included soft drinks
and whichever of these boxed lunches you’ve selected at registration:

*Thanksgiving*
Roasted Turkey, spiced cranberry sauce, mayo, lettuce, on "stuffing" bread.
*OR*

*Roast Beef*Roasted and sliced tri-tip, horseradish cream cheese spread,
caramelized onions, lettuce, on a ciabatta roll.
*OR*
*Veggie*
Sautéed onions, peppers, and mushrooms, with alfalfa sprouts, tomato,
cucumber, Provolone cheese, fresh hummus, on sliced multi-grain bread.

Over lunch, hang out and chat amongst the cars, and take in a technical
session or two under the lift in Peter's dream garage.

The Kendalls live just 10 minutes away from both downtown Sonora and the
hotel, so Saturday afternoon you can either dip into a museum in town, or
dip into the hotel's pool. Your choice!

From 6pm on Saturday we will enjoy finger food and beverages in advance of
a 7pm plated dinner at the hotel's Oak Glen room. You’ll start with an
appetizer and whichever of these options you selected at registration:

*Grilled Moroccan Chicken Supreme* w/ Black Currant-Tomato Chutney,
Preserved Lemon Rice Pilaf,
Braised Brussels Sprouts w/ Creamy Sriracha & Shaved Asiago
*OR*
*Grilled Ahi Tuna Steak* w/ Mango Salsa, Coconut Rice,
Broccoli, Onion, Red Pepper, Summer Squash Stir-fry
*OR*
*Wild Mushroom Ragout* on Creamy Coconut Polenta w/ Parsnips, Chick Peas &
Miso
Broccoli, Onion, Red Pepper, Summer Squash Stir-fry

Your three-course dinner INCLUDES all soft drinks, wine, beer, and coffee.

During dinner on Saturday night we will enjoy some very special
entertainment and an awards programme.

While there are no planned events on Sunday, we'll be sending you more
information about local sights and driving routes that you can explore
individually.

Also new this year: there are delicious gluten-free and special diet
options for both the boxed lunch and the plated dinner. Just use the
checkbox on the registration form and we will get in touch with you to sort
out the details.


*SEE YOU IN OCTOBER*
We are so pleased to be organizing this year's Rendez Vous, and look
forward to seeing all of you who can join us in Sonora!

To register for Rendez Vous Twenty Two, head over to http://www.sfrccc.org/
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Re: [MBZ] Rusty gas tank clean out

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

IIRC, automatic dishwashER detergent, laundry detergent intended for
front-loaders (with the "HE" logo), and TSP are all good because they don't
foam. Other detergents foam up and/or do not rinse off easily.


On Fri, 19 Aug 2022, Jim Cathey wrote:

>> Probably a good idea. Dishwasher detergent is a good de-oiler and it
doesn't make suds.

TSP is probably even better.

-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Rusty gas tank clean out

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

I had understood that citric acid's effectiveness is significantly hampered
by the presence of oil, hence the MB instructions to first use a "de-oiling
agent" in the cooling system before a citric acid flush.


On Fri, 19 Aug 2022, Curt Raymond wrote:

Get 5# of citric acid of the river of big wimmen. It's as good as anything
else and a lot cheaper. Get some water hot and mix in the power until it
stops dissolving the pour it in the tank with a bunch of drywall screws.

It works best hot so jack up your tractor in the sun, strap the tank to a
tire and let it run slow for a couple hours.

A magnet will fish out the screws.

-Curt
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Re: [MBZ] Free - W108/W109 fuel tank

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

I was able to give away the fuel tank.

The lucky recipient showed up in a 300D, painted Jackson-Pollock-style,
where he had had cut off the roof and trunk lid aft of the front seats. A
kind of Mercedes-Camino. Diamondplate floor for the bed.

At least he had the good sense to install a roll bar.

I did not take any pictures. Unfortunately.

D.

On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 16:51 David Bruckmann  wrote:

> Greetings all,
>
> My proactive fuel tank replacement went very well: 15 minutes out, 15
> minutes in.
>
> I now have a gently used fuel tank 109-470-03-01 for anyone who wants it,
> free of charge. Located in Oakland, California. No rust, one minor ding,
> good condition. Fuel sender NOT included.
>
> Drop me a note if you're interested.
>
> D.
>
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[MBZ] Free - W108/W109 fuel tank

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Greetings all,

My proactive fuel tank replacement went very well: 15 minutes out, 15
minutes in.

I now have a gently used fuel tank 109-470-03-01 for anyone who wants it,
free of charge. Located in Oakland, California. No rust, one minor ding,
good condition. Fuel sender NOT included.

Drop me a note if you're interested.

D.
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Re: [MBZ] W108 heater blower motor - accessible through cowl vent channels?

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Thanks Jaime, Dan, and Don for your responses. I'll take a crack at it. I
guess I should have bought those W108 cowl filter inserts when they were on
sale from the Classic Centre a couple of months ago!

I'll be spending a few days on the W108 anyway; ordered a new fuel tank
from the Classic Centre (that's a BIG box!) and will be swapping that in
with new fuel lines, filter, sender, etc.

Dan, you mentioned doing this proactively in a W115. Did you access the fan
similarly, by removing the cowl grille? I also have a 115 that I'd like to
treat before it fails.

I REALLY hope that a gentle push and a generous serving of ATF will save
the day, but I fear I'll be digging out the heater box etc instead.

D.

On Thu, Aug 4, 2022, OK Don wrote:

On the W115, I opened up the front center speaker hole to get the blower
motor out, I didn't cut the firewall. That was the second one. I followed
the manual to replace the first one - took over twice as long.

On Thu, Aug 4, 2022, Dan Penoff wrote:

What Jaime said.


> I?ve done it in a W114, and it?s nearly as bad as the W108. Not something
> you want to start unless you?ve got a lot of time to spend on it. I have a
> scar on the back of my right hand from when I did the W114.


> One other thing is that if you can determine that the motor is still
> working but seized or not turning well (there are bushings in it that
> typically fail) you can take some of the white 3mm vacuum tubing, the stuff
> that?s used throughout every vintage Mercedes engine compartment, and use
> it like a straw to draw some ATF into it. Thread it down through the cowl
> opening to the back of the motor and let the ATF flow out into the bushing.
> It?s messy, but goes a long way to lube the bushing and keep the motor
> turning. I?ve done this on every W114/W108 I?ve owned to make sure the fan
> motor is lubed up.


> -D


> > On Aug 4, 2022, at 2:14 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>

> You can definitely reach the top of the blower to clear out debris and see

> if it turns by removing the cowl.  Its a bit of a reach, but its possible.

>

> Replacement requires removal of the heater box completely.  Its not quite

> as horrible as the internet makes it out to be, but it is a time consuming

> job and care must be taken not to break too many things.

>

> Jaime

>

>

> On Thu, Aug 4, 2022 at 2:06 PM David Bruckmann via Mercedes <

> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>

>> Good afternoon,

>>

>> My '72 280SEL 4.5 has a dead heater blower motor. It was set to "low" and

>> when I started the car several months ago, electrical smoke emerged from

>> the area above the motor that contains the filters.

>>

>> My question: I know that people literally cut through the firewall to

>> replace the blower in a 115. Is the 108 as bad, or will I be able to

>> actually reach the fan itself through the air intakes on the cowl to see
> if

>> it at least turns. I don't think I can REMOVE the motor that way, but it

>> would be nice to see if I can at least check whether the fan is seized,

>> maybe even put a few drops of ATF on the bearings.

>>

>> Here's a video (from quite a sensible man, in California, with numerous

>> 108-oriented videos) covering the replacement of the cabin air filters

>> under the cowl. In part of the video, he shows the insides of the cowl

>> area.

>>

>> Here's the URL

>>

>> https://youtu.be/55U4y4KqmAE

>>

>> Thanks for any advice,

>>

>> D.
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[MBZ] W108 heater blower motor - accessible through cowl vent channels?

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Good afternoon,

My '72 280SEL 4.5 has a dead heater blower motor. It was set to "low" and
when I started the car several months ago, electrical smoke emerged from
the area above the motor that contains the filters.

My question: I know that people literally cut through the firewall to
replace the blower in a 115. Is the 108 as bad, or will I be able to
actually reach the fan itself through the air intakes on the cowl to see if
it at least turns. I don't think I can REMOVE the motor that way, but it
would be nice to see if I can at least check whether the fan is seized,
maybe even put a few drops of ATF on the bearings.

Here's a video (from quite a sensible man, in California, with numerous
108-oriented videos) covering the replacement of the cabin air filters
under the cowl. In part of the video, he shows the insides of the cowl area.

Here's the URL

https://youtu.be/55U4y4KqmAE

Thanks for any advice,

D.
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Re: [MBZ] Peugeots

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Not quite as long a run as the even tougher 504, of which more than three
million were produced between 1968 and 2006!

On Mon, Jul 18, 2022, David Bruckmann wrote:

>
> Although Citroens are dearest to me, I can tell you that there's a reason
> Peugeot 504 and 505 models are still running around in Africa and South
> America... VERY tough cars, although the engines can be hit and miss. Super
> comfortable as well. And when you consider that the 505 debuted *43 years
> ago* and was in production for 18 years through 1997, all the more
> remarkable.
>
> A scene from Bastille Day in San Francisco, Citroens and Peugeots in
> attendance:
>
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>
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Re: [MBZ] Logistics and shipping

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

FYI, I got this warning when I went to the Queen of Denmark website that
Rick included in his posting:





Folks,

I do logistics and mail & ups all the time, mixed in with the occasional
LTL motor freight shipments.

I use Endicia (Stamps.com) which is a paid shipping portal for USPS. I used
to use FEDEX and UPS with accounts ?.. NOW I use www.pirateship.com

Pirate Ship is a website which offers USPS and UPS

NO FEES

Anyway ?. I am shipping these around now

Www.queenofDenmark.org 

Rates for UPS are about HALF the rate of using my UPS account

Check it out  ?. I?m amazed ?. And they offer UPS pickup for only 3.80 more

And for mercedes content I do ship some mercedes parts. Ha

Xx rick
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Re: [MBZ] Elvis

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I wonder how Mercedes-Benz feels about the missing *Bindestrich* in the
wall signage.
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Re: [MBZ] Oh, thank heaven.

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I paid $7.39/gal for diesel yesterday in Calif. Count your blessings!

On Tue, Jun 21, 2022, Buggered Benzmail wrote:

>
> I stopped to get a few gallons of gas at a local station. Premium 93 was
> $6.40/gal  I had to look twice, thought it was 5.40. I wonder if this
> was unadulterated stuff for boats. 89 was like 5.30 so I got a few gallons
> of that. Was 4.95 at Costco this evening, it has come down a bit from last
> week.
>
> --FT
>
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes-Benz USA Auto Parts Store

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

What you actually want is this:

https://classicparts.mbusa.com

Also not nearly as good as the EPC, but at least covers pre-1983 MB models,
for example W114/115/116/123/126.



On 6/6/2022, Kaleb Striplin wrote:

Yea, it is just the Revparts database, not even close to EPC, very basic.

On 6/6/2022, Dan Penoff wrote:
> More user friendly than the EPC but little depth. This is not the EPC,
it?s the RevParts database you see on dealer?s parts web sites.
>
> For instance, you can?t get the part number and price for the switches on
my ML steering wheel. You can see them in the diagram, but they?re not in
the parts list. Too bad.
>
> -D
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Re: [MBZ] Another price drop, having a hard time resisting. Appears to have heated and cooled seats

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Something happened on the passenger side. The headlight is pushed back.

On Fri, Jun 3, 2022, Kaleb Striplin wrote:

>
> Would have to pull the covers and see
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] W123 Oil cooler

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

And  126-180-00-65 is the whole oil cooler, showing as available $261 from
mbpartsexpress.com

On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 2:20 PM David Bruckmann  wrote:

> I don't have the package handy, but they're definitely shown in EPC.
>
> On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 2:19 PM Andrew Strasfogel 
> wrote:
>
>> Is there a part number I could search on?
>>
>> On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 4:47 PM David Bruckmann via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Worst-case scenario, the oil cooler fittings are available as replacement
>>> parts from MB. I have a pair of them for a W123 617 oil cooler, name on
>>> the
>>> parts label is "screwed nipples". A radiator shop ought to be able to
>>> remove the old ones and install the new.
>>>
>>> >> On May 17, 2022, at 8:35 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> ?I need to replace the upper and lower oil cooler lines on my 83 300td
>>> due
>>> >> to leaks.. Does anyone have a decent used oil cooler you would be
>>> willing
>>> >> to sell? My tech says that when he disconnects the line from the oil
>>> cooler
>>> >> that will bugger the threads most of the time. Although I can find
>>> sources
>>> >> for the oil cooler lines, the classic center says the oil cooler
>>> itself
>>> is
>>> >> no longer available.
>>> >> Part number must be 126 180 00 65
>>> >>
>>> >> 1983 300td
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Re: [MBZ] W123 Oil cooler

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

I don't have the package handy, but they're definitely shown in EPC.

On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 2:19 PM Andrew Strasfogel 
wrote:

> Is there a part number I could search on?
>
> On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 4:47 PM David Bruckmann via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> Worst-case scenario, the oil cooler fittings are available as replacement
>> parts from MB. I have a pair of them for a W123 617 oil cooler, name on
>> the
>> parts label is "screwed nipples". A radiator shop ought to be able to
>> remove the old ones and install the new.
>>
>> >> On May 17, 2022, at 8:35 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> ?I need to replace the upper and lower oil cooler lines on my 83 300td
>> due
>> >> to leaks.. Does anyone have a decent used oil cooler you would be
>> willing
>> >> to sell? My tech says that when he disconnects the line from the oil
>> cooler
>> >> that will bugger the threads most of the time. Although I can find
>> sources
>> >> for the oil cooler lines, the classic center says the oil cooler itself
>> is
>> >> no longer available.
>> >> Part number must be 126 180 00 65
>> >>
>> >> 1983 300td
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Re: [MBZ] W123 Oil cooler

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Worst-case scenario, the oil cooler fittings are available as replacement
parts from MB. I have a pair of them for a W123 617 oil cooler, name on the
parts label is "screwed nipples". A radiator shop ought to be able to
remove the old ones and install the new.

>> On May 17, 2022, at 8:35 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?I need to replace the upper and lower oil cooler lines on my 83 300td
due
>> to leaks.. Does anyone have a decent used oil cooler you would be willing
>> to sell? My tech says that when he disconnects the line from the oil
cooler
>> that will bugger the threads most of the time. Although I can find
sources
>> for the oil cooler lines, the classic center says the oil cooler itself
is
>> no longer available.
>> Part number must be 126 180 00 65
>>
>> 1983 300td
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Re: [MBZ] I?m not even going to comment on this

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But wait, aren't those 15" Bundts. LOL
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Re: [MBZ] Oh wow I might have to have this

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

All W115 240D until 1976) were pull start. All W115 300D (until 1976) were
key start. W123 replaced them both in 1977.

All US-model W123 diesels had key start from the beginning.
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Re: [MBZ] 240D starter

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Happily, the solenoid can be easily replaced without removing the starter
from the car. Especially on a 240D. I have done this on my 300D W115.

> On Apr 26, 2022, at 8:04 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> This really nice dark red on dark red 83 240D I have seems to have a
starter issue.  I have only started it up briefly to move it around.
Lately sometimes the starter just clicks.  I hit the key a few times and it
goes.  Also, after shutting the engine down, starter it still spinning but
not engaged to the flywheel.  Just freewheeling.  I have to unhook the
battery to stop it.  If I whack it with a hammer it stops.  I guess
something with the solenoid is sticking?  Probably need to replace it as
well.
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Re: [MBZ] 1984 MB 300CD steering box

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Danger! Over tightening the adjustment on the box will cause sticking and
rapid wear!

The box should NOT have required adjustment after rebuilding. Setting it
properly is part of the refurb. It's possible that the shop you went to
doesn't understand that on MB steering assemblies, there's "normal" free
play of about a finger's width at the steering wheel.

They might have tried to second-guess the initial setting.

There's a process that involves a torque measuring device on the steering
wheel. In the probable absence of that device, it is better to adjust it
too loose than too tight!

Also, the flexible joint of the steering column where it enters the box
often wears out dramatically. My 115 has a HAND'S WIDTH of free play at the
wheel!

That kind of free play at the steering wheel is unthinkable today, but back
in the 70s80s90s it was understood to be normal. If you REALLY want to see
steering wheel free play, find a 70s VW bus!


Ralph wrote:
I am happy to have it able to drive, but I am not 100% happy with the
performance.  It still has a point on the turning that feels like it is
sticking, but the play in the wheel and stability on the road is
great now.
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Re: [MBZ] Does This Guy Know His Crack or does he Know the Market?

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

I love the text of the ad: "the dashboard has no cracks"

and then right above it I'm looking at a picture of the dash, with a giant
crack emanating from the passenger side speaker grille!


On Tue, 19 Apr 2022, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>
> Priced to sell so I will not budge even one dime. Even if it never sells.
>
> On Tue, Apr 19, 2022, 11:39 AM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > 1984 MERCEDES 300D SHOWROOM CONDITION (craigslist.org)
> > <
> https://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/cto/d/studio-city-1984-mercedes-300d-showroom/7473039618.html
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > AZBob
> >
>
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Re: [MBZ] No more 116/201/107 keys

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Indeed, mine were cut in Texas, and very poorly at that. They somehow got
the key misaligned on the thin axis, which means that the cutaway portion
is wildly uneven from side to side. So you have a 50% chance of operating
the lock.

On Thu, Apr 14, 2022, Dan Penoff wrote:

>
> The Classic Center Parts system (Germany) shows them to be available,
> which means they?re available from any dealer in the U.S. as well. They
> should be able to order one for you with proof of ownership and have it cut
> to match the VIN. That?s typically done at the parts depot in Texas, at
> least all of the keys I?ve had made from them in the last 20 year were.
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Re: [MBZ] No more 116/201/107 keys

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The 116 used both types.

On Thu, Apr 14, 2022 at 18:34 Jim Cathey  wrote:

> I didn't realize that the 116 (which I have never had one of) used those
> dinky
> little 201 keys.  The 107/126/123 keys we have are all the same.  Chunky
> side-cut keys.  IIRC, our older 107 was an edge-cut key, as is the 114 and
> 115.
>
> -- Jim
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] No more 116/201/107 keys

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The number he said to use was A2017600306

On Thu, Apr 14, 2022 at 18:28 David Bruckmann  wrote:

> Unless they JUST discontinued them, I ordered sidewinder keys for my 116
> last month at the dealer. It is a 201 number that I got from Tom Hanson at
> the CC.
>
> On Thu, Apr 14, Kaleb wrote:
>
>>
>> I stopped by the local MB dealer to attempt to order a key for this 79
>> 450SEL that I lost the key to.? This is the later small square side cut
>> key like used on the 201 etc.? Kid at the counter was very confused, not
>> sure what key it was etc.? He said he needed to get the old timer to
>> come up there.? Old timer shows up and immediately says "Hi Kaleb".?
>> This is the dude I started buying parts from when I was 16 years old,
>> still there.? Last time i was in there was probably 5-10 years ago.?
>> Anyway, he told the kid which key it is, they are in stock.? He starts
>> ordering it. The old timer comes back and says he just realized it was a
>> 116 and not a 126.? And nope, those keys are NLA.? I assume this is the
>> same key the 201 and and the later 107 uses so I assume those are NLA
>> also?? WTF?
>>
>> Anyway, does anyone think if this shows NLA at the dealer it could be
>> obtained from the classic center?? What about pulling one of the door
>> handles and sending it somewhere to get a key cut?? The dealer gave me a
>> couple of local places that can supposedly do this but not sure if they
>> really can or not.
>>
>
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[MBZ] No more 116/201/107 keys

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Unless they JUST discontinued them, I ordered sidewinder keys for my 116
last month at the dealer. It is a 201 number that I got from Tom Hanson at
the CC.

On Thu, Apr 14, Kaleb wrote:

>
> I stopped by the local MB dealer to attempt to order a key for this 79
> 450SEL that I lost the key to.? This is the later small square side cut
> key like used on the 201 etc.? Kid at the counter was very confused, not
> sure what key it was etc.? He said he needed to get the old timer to
> come up there.? Old timer shows up and immediately says "Hi Kaleb".?
> This is the dude I started buying parts from when I was 16 years old,
> still there.? Last time i was in there was probably 5-10 years ago.?
> Anyway, he told the kid which key it is, they are in stock.? He starts
> ordering it. The old timer comes back and says he just realized it was a
> 116 and not a 126.? And nope, those keys are NLA.? I assume this is the
> same key the 201 and and the later 107 uses so I assume those are NLA
> also?? WTF?
>
> Anyway, does anyone think if this shows NLA at the dealer it could be
> obtained from the classic center?? What about pulling one of the door
> handles and sending it somewhere to get a key cut?? The dealer gave me a
> couple of local places that can supposedly do this but not sure if they
> really can or not.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Ceramic coating

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I've been weighing doing this to my original-paint W108 (Horizontblau) and
W115 (Kaledoniengrün) and found this chap, "Scott HD", very helpful in
testing (YouTube), and providing results for tests (Google sheet), of LOTS
of products. There are VAST differences between products, or even within
the same product when formulations change. For example:

The 28-way Chinese Products test:

https://youtu.be/LE3LiD7Ls_0

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1EK8ph4q2-ApofE7EF95xMPH5M25W3HiCPHZHn4eTyIk/edit

and the 38-way Ceramic test:

https://youtu.be/gx_v3_kBlVY

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tzuzsehuvxovdF85E_uX-e5k3IN1u3UbXWWZ69MmHTo/edit


On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 Floyd and Dan wrote:

> From: dan penoff.com 
>
> I liken it to snake oil in the sense that you can probably achieve the
> same thing waxing with good quality wax on a regular basis. I?m sure it has
> some benefits, but I take exception to the term ?ceramic coating? as I see
> no way you could actually put a ceramic coating on your car. Whatever.
>
> I wax twice a year with Collinite Liquid Insulator #845 wax. Very good
> stuff, holds up extremely well in our environment. Was originally designed
> for waxing high voltage insulators on transmission lines.
>
> -D
>
> > On Mar 25, 2022, at 10:51 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Has anyone ever used this stuff?  It seems expensive for a little bottle
> but it looks like it has some benefits to preserving paint. I don?t know
> how long it lasts.
> >
> > --FT
>
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Re: [MBZ] Rare customized Euro 280SL C on BAT

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

The VIN (107022-12-003878)  indicates this was an automatic (12) as opposed
to manual (10). So quite a few bodges, it would seem.


On Wed, 16 Mar 2022, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>
>AZ car with manual shift, velour seats, rear deck lid spoiler, AMG badge,
>after market radio and wheels, rear crank windows, and non period third
>brake light.  A Thinking Man's car for sure.  I predict over $20k.
>
>
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1977-mercedes-benz-280slc-3/?utm_source=dm&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2022-03-16
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Re: [MBZ] 5 Best Mercedes SUVs to buy and 5 to avoid

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

In other words, avoid everything built after 1985.

On Wed, 9 Mar 2022, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>
>
https://www.hotcars.com/5-best-mercedes-benz-suvs-you-can-buy-used-5-to-avoid-at-all-costs/
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Re: [MBZ] Project -- Exterior color: Green ?1976 Mercedes-Benz 400 SE Sedan 4D, $1, 750

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Not just any green, but Kaledoniengrün 867! Just like my 76 300D.

On Mon, Mar 7, 2022, Floyd Thursby wrote:

>
> Doesn't look too bad for the money if you wanted a project
>
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1082617002308678
>
> --
> --FT
>
>
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[MBZ] OT: West Coast Citroen Rendez Vous Twenty-Two

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

In case anyone feels like slumming it this October:


*The San Francisco Region Citroën Car Club is proud to present this year’s
West Coast Citroën Rendez Vous, October 21st through 23rd, 2022, in Sonora,
California*
*THE VENUE*

After considering venues all the way from Pacific Grove east through
Salinas and San Juan Bautista, we are pleased to announce that we settled
on Sonora.

In the beautiful Sierra Nevada Foothills and at the very heart of
California's "Gold Country", the town is named after the miners from Sonora
Mexico who settled the City in 1848. Known as the "Queen of the Southern
Mines", Sonora still holds on to its historic downtown charm while thriving
as the commercial, government and cultural center for the region.

Our home base for the weekend will be the Best Western Sonora Oaks Hotel.
Rooms include a full breakfast, WiFi, and access to the on-site pool. Our
group rate is $144/night and they've agreed to offer that rate for 30
rooms. After that it is market rate, which is usually about $165/night.


*THE PROGRAMME*
On Friday night we will welcome people at the registration area. You're
encouraged to join us for a casual, prepare-your-own dinner on the hotel
BBQ, or drop by for drinks before exploring dinner options in town. We will
send more information about that as the date approaches.

On Saturday morning we'll head out on a scenic drive through incredibly
beautiful foothills. Our endpoint will be the home of longtime SFRCCC
members Susan and Peter Kendall. There we will enjoy included soft drinks
and whichever of these boxed lunches you’ve selected at registration:

*Thanksgiving*
Roasted Turkey, spiced cranberry sauce, mayo, lettuce, on "stuffing" bread.
OR

*Roast Beef*Roasted and sliced tri-tip, horseradish cream cheese spread,
caramelized onions, lettuce, on a ciabatta roll.
OR

*Veggie*Sautéed onions, peppers, and mushrooms, with alfalfa sprouts,
tomato, cucumber, Provolone cheese, fresh hummus, on sliced multi-grain
bread.

Over lunch, hang out and chat amongst the cars, and take in a technical
session or two under the lift in Peter's dream garage.

The Kendalls live just 10 minutes away from both downtown Sonora and the
hotel, so Saturday afternoon you can either dip into a museum in town, or
dip into the hotel's pool. Your choice!

From 6pm on Saturday we will enjoy finger food and beverages in advance of
a 7pm plated dinner at the hotel's Oak Glen room. You’ll start with an
appetizer and whichever of these options you selected at registration:

*Grilled Moroccan Chicken Supreme* w/ Black Currant-Tomato Chutney,
Preserved Lemon Rice Pilaf,
Braised Brussels Sprouts w/ Creamy Sriracha & Shaved Asiago
OR
*Grilled Ahi Tuna Steak* w/ Mango Salsa, Coconut Rice,
Broccoli, Onion, Red Pepper, Summer Squash Stir-fry
OR
*Wild Mushroom Ragout* on Creamy Coconut Polenta w/ Parsnips, Chick Peas &
Miso
Broccoli, Onion, Red Pepper, Summer Squash Stir-fry

Your three-course dinner INCLUDES all soft drinks, wine, beer, and coffee.

During dinner on Saturday night we will enjoy some very special
entertainment and an awards programme.

While there are no planned events on Sunday, we'll be sending you more
information about local sights and driving routes that you can explore
individually.

Also new this year: there are delicious gluten-free and special diet
options for both the boxed lunch and the plated dinner. Just use the
checkbox on the registration form and we will get in touch with you to sort
out the details.


*SEE YOU IN OCTOBER*
We are so pleased to be organizing this year's Rendez Vous, and look
forward to seeing all of you who can join. Drop a note to
citroe...@gmail.com if you have any questions, otherwise we hope to see you
in Sonora!

To register for Rendez Vous Twenty-Two, head over to http://www.sfrccc.org/
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Re: [MBZ] Lifts

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Interesting comparison, although not exactly impartial, between Rotary and
BendPak:

 https://www.bendpak.com/a-study-in-lift-design/two-post-lift-comparison/

On Tue, Feb 15, 2022, Dimitri wrote:

>
> Nussbaum is a German company but their US line is made in NC I believe.
> There is a contact, Peter Engel who is an MB enthusiast who sells them.
> They have the most flexibility with articulated rear arms as an option in
> the Otto series. Pierre Hedary bought his Nussbaum from Peter and I almost
> did as well but I couldn?t find an installer in Maine familiar with
> Nussbaum so I opted for a Mohawk. Mohawk is the most robust forever lift
> but costs a small fortune. My brother went in on it with me to help with
> the cost. Rotary is the mainstream lift that most dealers use, has the
> widest dealer network but is not as interesting as a Nussbaum and doesn?t
> have the same degree of arm articulation. Personally, I think a Mohawk with
> the least amount of arm extension options is just fine. It?s built like a
> tank and only needs periodic spray down with wd40 as maintenance. Yes
> factory manual specifically says wd40!  You install it and forget about it.
> No cables to adjust or plastic carriage slider blocks to replace as with
> rotary, Nussbaum and all others.
>
>
> And:
>
>
> Yes concrete needs to be at least 4 inches thick with no cracks and lift
> columns must be 4-8 inches away from control joints depending on lift
> manufacturer specs. Mohawk btw requires lowest ceiling clearance of all the
> other currently available 2 post lifts.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Feb 15, 2022, at 11:29 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?I think I might be more concerned with the quality of the concrete
> floor and the installation of the hoist than I would be with the hoist
> itself since you can at least see it and any issues that might cause
> concern.
> >
> > Randy
> >
>
>
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[MBZ] 1980 W116 300SD automatic transmission - stuck in 1st once warmed up

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Good afternoon,

A friend of mine has a 1980 W116 300SD. He reports that after about 30
minutes of driving, if you come to a stop, it will NOT shift out of 1st
unless you put it into neutral then back into drive.

I assume this is related to the
idle-in-2nd-until-the-accelerator-is-pressed mechanism.

On my 1979 300SD this is a simple rod. Is that the case for 1980, which I
believe was the first year of the dreaded vacuum controls with those
nasty little plastic cams? That was certainly the case on the W123.

Anyway, I might see the car on Sunday and will take a look at whether
there's any adjustment or anything that can be done.

Or could it be a bad kickdown switch or something like that? Odd that it
only happens once warmed up.

Transmission fluid and filter have been changed by a respected, longtime
Mercedes-Benz mechanic, but I will check the fluid level for good measure.

Any ideas would be appreciated.

D.
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Re: [MBZ] W116 or R107 exterior door handle adjustment

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

For what it's worth, they are easily adjusted.

There's a Peachparts forum posting about this, here:

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/212493-exterior-door-handles-not-unlatching-door-w116.html



On 19 January 2022, Allan Streib wrote:
>
>I didn't know that was adjustable. I have the same issue on my W116 rear
passenger door.
>Interested in how it's done.
>
>Allan
>
>On Tue, Jan 18, 2022, at 12:51 PM, David Bruckmann via Mercedes wrote:
>> Good day all,
>>
>> My W116 300SD's rear driver's side exterior door handle requires an
>> increasingly FORCEFUL tug to open the door. I know I have adjusted this
>> once before, but cannot find the information in the factory manuals or in
>> my email from this list.
>>
>> If anyone has any tips... the irony is that I have done this adjustment
>> before on the driver's door, so I obviously had the instructions
somewhere!
>> It would be the same as on the R107, which I also have!
>>
>> Thanks in advance for any help you can provide.
>>
>> D.
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[MBZ] W116 or R107 exterior door handle adjustment

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Good day all,

My W116 300SD's rear driver's side exterior door handle requires an
increasingly FORCEFUL tug to open the door. I know I have adjusted this
once before, but cannot find the information in the factory manuals or in
my email from this list.

If anyone has any tips... the irony is that I have done this adjustment
before on the driver's door, so I obviously had the instructions somewhere!
It would be the same as on the R107, which I also have!

Thanks in advance for any help you can provide.

D.
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Re: [MBZ] Citric acid flush

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

As Jaime mentioned, laundry detergent is best. And I recall when this was a
topic during Dr. Booth's presence on this list, a key point was to seek out
so-called "HE" (high efficiency) detergent intended for front-loading
washers. It is the least "foamy". Not sure if that still matters, with the
current ubiquity of front-loaders in the US.

I can't see why it would need to be powder. The key point is that it
circulate and clean. I would think it would be important to RINSE very
thoroughly.

AND DON'T FORGET TO CHANGE YOUR FUSES!

D.
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Re: [MBZ] 300TD hatch struts

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

As I recall, the factory used red loctite, which requires heat to
deactivate.
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Re: [MBZ] 1986 190E 2.3 16V Cosworth - 137k miles - $14.900

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

The red dot indicates the presence of a factory alarm system in the subject 
vehicle. It doesn't actually "do" anything, it's just an indicator. 

Replacement key tops never had the dot. 

> On Nov 7, 2021, at 12:36, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> What's with the red dot?
> 
> On Sun, Nov 7, 2021 at 11:30 AM David Bruckmann via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
>> Yes, some 116s and 201s used sidewinder keys. Hence the A201 etc part number 
>> for the replacement keys. 
>> 
>> > On Nov 7, 2021, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: 
>> > 
>> > Is that a sidewinder or electronic key? (it has a plastic red dot on the
>> > base)
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Re: [MBZ] 1986 190E 2.3 16V Cosworth - 137k miles - $14.900

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Yes, some 116s and 201s used sidewinder keys. Hence the A201 etc part number 
for the replacement keys. 

> On Nov 7, 2021, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: 
> 
> Is that a sidewinder or electronic key? (it has a plastic red dot on the
> base)

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Re: [MBZ] W116 ignition tumbler and key

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Update: I received the replacement generic tumbler and it is indeed the simpler 
(non-sidewinder) style key. FWIW, they provide two keys.

Next step will be to temporarily install the generic tumbler and then bravely 
dismantle the original.

D.


On 10/23/21, David Bruckmann wrote:
>Greetings,
>
>In case it is helpful for others, I'd like to relate my recent journey in 
>attempting to avert ignition tumbler failure on my '79 W116.120 (300SD). All 
>of the information below was confirmed with Tom Hanson at the Classic Centre.
>
>Ignition tumblers coded to the vehicle are no longer available for W116 
>models. Fortunately, it is still possible to order a generic "service" 
>ignition tumbler with a key that is not coded to the vehicle. The "service" 
>tumbler may actually use a different style of key. My W116 has the so-called 
>"sidewinder" key, but Tom mentioned that the service tumblers probably use the 
>more conventional-style keys used in 107/114/115/123 models. And by the way, 
>ignition tumblers for 107, 108, 114 and 115 are also NLA, even as an uncoded 
>service part. Only the later 123 tumblers remain available.
>
>I also ordered two replacement keys that ARE coded to the vehicle. These are 
>still available, but under A2017600306 versus the original A0007600406, a fact 
>that my local dealer was unable to determine.
>
>My plan is to remove the existing ignition tumbler, replace with the service 
>tumbler, then dismantle the old part. Sounds like the failure is caused by 
>wear of the lock pins, which then protrude and cause the tumbler to lock in 
>the housing. So I will take a look for that and make adjustments before 
>cleaning, lubricating, and reassembling the tumbler.
>
>If I'm REALLY lucky, Tom is wrong and the "service" tumbler also uses a 
>sidewinder key. In that case, I will try to find a competent locksmith who can 
>modify the coding of the generic tumbler to match the vehicle keying.
>
>I posted on this (R107) thread:
>
>https://www.benzworld.org/threads/apparently-mb-no-longer-makes-the-ignition-tumblers-for-our-cars-so.2067042/page-4
>
>where there's a useful link to 
>https://www.coolcatcorp.com/Mercedes/Lock190.html and this thread 
>https://forum.w116.org/mechanicals/modifying-w123-lock-cylinder-to-fit-w116/ 
>which give you an idea of the internal construction of the tumbler.
>
>Anyway, I'll keep you all posted as things progress. If anyone knows of a 
>competent automotive locksmith near San Francisco, please let me know!
>
>D.

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[MBZ] W116 ignition tumbler and key

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Greetings,

In case it is helpful for others, I'd like to relate my recent journey in 
attempting to avert ignition tumbler failure on my '79 W116.120 (300SD). All of 
the information below was confirmed with Tom Hanson at the Classic Centre.

Ignition tumblers coded to the vehicle are no longer available for W116 models. 
Fortunately, it is still possible to order a generic "service" ignition tumbler 
with a key that is not coded to the vehicle. The "service" tumbler may actually 
use a different style of key. My W116 has the so-called "sidewinder" key, but 
Tom mentioned that the service tumblers probably use the more 
conventional-style keys used in 107/114/115/123 models. And by the way, 
ignition tumblers for 107, 108, 114 and 115 are also NLA, even as an uncoded 
service part. Only the later 123 tumblers remain available.

I also ordered two replacement keys that ARE coded to the vehicle. These are 
still available, but under A2017600306 versus the original A0007600406, a fact 
that my local dealer was unable to determine.

My plan is to remove the existing ignition tumbler, replace with the service 
tumbler, then dismantle the old part. Sounds like the failure is caused by wear 
of the lock pins, which then protrude and cause the tumbler to lock in the 
housing. So I will take a look for that and make adjustments before cleaning, 
lubricating, and reassembling the tumbler.

If I'm REALLY lucky, Tom is wrong and the "service" tumbler also uses a 
sidewinder key. In that case, I will try to find a competent locksmith who can 
modify the coding of the generic tumbler to match the vehicle keying.

I posted on this (R107) thread:

https://www.benzworld.org/threads/apparently-mb-no-longer-makes-the-ignition-tumblers-for-our-cars-so.2067042/page-4

where there's a useful link to 
https://www.coolcatcorp.com/Mercedes/Lock190.html and this thread 
https://forum.w116.org/mechanicals/modifying-w123-lock-cylinder-to-fit-w116/ 
which give you an idea of the internal construction of the tumbler.

Anyway, I'll keep you all posted as things progress. If anyone knows of a 
competent automotive locksmith near San Francisco, please let me know!

D.

-- 
David Bruckmann, Temescal/Oakland, CA
Current Reality:
1966 Citroen DS21M Pallas "Celeste"
1972 Mercedes-Benz 280SEL 4.5 (160,000 km) "Blauer Engel"
1973 Mercedes-Benz 450SLC (210,000 km) "Lottie"
1976 Citroen 2CV6 (150,000 km) "Piaf"
1976 Mercedes-Benz 300D/8 (325,000 km) "Willow"
1979 Mercedes-Benz 300SD (270,000 km) "Tina"
Shady Past:
1970 Citroen DS21 Pallas (170,000 km) "Goettin"
1970 Mercedes-Benz 220/8 (250,000 km) "Blanche"
1971 Citroen DS21 Pallas (137,000 km), 1972 Citroen DS21 Pallas (502,000 km)
1978 Mercedes-Benz 300D (1,200,000 km or thereabouts) "Sieglinde"
1979 Mercedes-Benz 300TD non-turbo (260,000 km)  "Diva"
1979 Mercedes-Benz 300D (425,000 km) "Liz"
1980 Citroen 2CV6 Charleston (120,000km), 1988 Merkur XR4Ti (209,000 km)
1981 Peugeot 505 GRD (350,000km), 1984 MB 300TD (385,000 km) "Gertraud"
1985 Toyota Camry (330,000 km) 1986 Renault 9 1.7L (155,000 km)
2002 VW Golf GLS TDI "The Hated Golf" (74,000 km)

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Sonic fibre internet

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Thanks everyone for the responses.

The provider is promising 1,000Mbps fibre to the house for $39.99/mo. Also
included is a phone line with unlimited calling to 60+ countries.

Seems like a good deal.
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