Re: [MBZ] Klebmobile Alert!!

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It jumped time when I saw it, so the valves would have to be bent. He probably 
put it back together then discovered it won’t run because of bent valves. 

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> On Jul 25, 2024, at 8:25 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
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> What? Too expensive for your tastes or he wouldn’t deal? I’m not sure I 
> understand the description - he’s done the cams but not set the timing? How 
> does that work??
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jul 25, 2024, at 6:17 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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>> Yea I bought a parts car off this guy. I have seen this car and it’s a $1200 
>> car.
>> 
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>>>> On Jul 25, 2024, at 8:10 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
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>>> https://www.benzworld.org/posts/18793961/
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>>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] Klebmobile Alert!!

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Yea I bought a parts car off this guy. I have seen this car and it’s a $1200 
car. 

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> On Jul 25, 2024, at 8:10 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
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> https://www.benzworld.org/posts/18793961/
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Re: [MBZ] Nicely sorted Heckflosse on BAT

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Oh you wanted that Knutsack car?

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> On Jul 25, 2024, at 5:27 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
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> Always wanted a 230, never could find a decent one. The one W110 I searched 
> for years for and never found. Except for the one that OkieBoy stole out from 
> under me from Knutsack.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jul 25, 2024, at 1:39 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
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>> 14 minutes left…..at $7,100….
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 1979 240E - 125k miles - $11,900

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That is because the one interior pic is of a 107.

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> On Jul 25, 2024, at 2:46 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
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> Gray market car. Manual climate controls and dash vents are both Euro items. 
> Never seen a clock in the center like that, however.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 25, 2024, at 11:28 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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>> Very rare with but does it have the Zundfolge engine?
>> 
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>>> I don’t think I’ve ever seen a 240 gasser
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 AC does not work. Wrong steering wheel.
 
 Crazy price.
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] 1979 240E - 125k miles - $11,900

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It has the rare 107 interior.

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> On Jul 25, 2024, at 2:29 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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> Very rare with but does it have the Zundfolge engine?
> 
>> On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 12:44 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
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>> I don’t think I’ve ever seen a 240 gasser
>> 
>> --FT
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>>> AC does not work. Wrong steering wheel.
>>> 
>>> Crazy price.
>>> 
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[MBZ] Classic

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Re: [MBZ] A GL

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Yes should be. 

So if you have to replace compressor buy it from FCP euro so it has a lifetime 
warranty. 

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> On Jul 23, 2024, at 1:13 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
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> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1185911826054141/
> 
> Is this late enough to be rid of the timing chain issues Kaleb spoke of?
> Seller told me it throws many codes, I can scan it when I look at it and that 
> the “bags have been replaced but I think the compressor need to be looked at”.
> But….it’s silver. Ugh.
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Re: [MBZ] GL450 or GL550

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Air suspension can be a pain in the ass and will fail at the most inconvenient 
time. But not really hard or complicated to work on. Early models will eat 
timing chains and balance shafts. Beyond that not sure about later models. I 
mainly deal with the diesels. 

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> By and large we are smart guys. Most of us know the right answer when told.
> As a result I’ll be shopping for a GL450 or GL550 to get the third row 
> seating I have been told we need.
> Pros and cons of each?
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[MBZ] 617 oil pan gasket

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Dropped the pan on the 617 doing the turbo oil drain. Whoever removed pan 
before used rtv on it. I had a new pan gasket in stock but thing might be 15 
years old. Torqued bolts to spec. Filled with oil, pan leaks badly. Tightened 
them down just a bit more and leaks slowed down but still leaks. Assuming the 
old gasket is too hard and old to seal. Or, perhaps someone tighten pan too 
much in the past and it’s no longer flat? Anyway, do y’all put a light coating 
of RTV on both sides of the gasket when installing? Or should they be dry? I 
read online folks recommend a light coating but thought I would get the 
consensus here for when I order a new gasket and pull the pan again. 
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Re: [MBZ] 09ML320 bluey

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Yea if he hacked up the DPF you are likely SOL on the warranty covering 
anything.


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> On Jul 20, 2024, at 4:57 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
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> Like 3 sensors either not reporting in or wonky readings. I scanned it last 
> weekend quickly s Webex I looked at it but didn’t write anything down. He 
> said he gutted the DPF for reasons not entirely clear.
> 
> All the engine work was done in feb23 by MB so all that stuff is new 
> including turbo. Whole list of stuff so I’m not sure why these other things 
> have failed. Had he not buggered the DPF I would have taken it to the MB shop 
> to see if the issues were covered on the warranty associated with all the 
> work.
> 
> --FT
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>> On Jul 20, 2024, at 5:49 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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>> What codes does it have?
>> 
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>>>>  wrote:
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>>> I picked up the ML today and will need to do some digging on exactly what 
>>> is wrong with it. A young guy I know who is a mechanic at my buddy’s shop 
>>> went for a ride with me to pick it up
>>> 
>>> Starts and runs just won’t accelerate well;otherwise, it’s pretty nice for 
>>> the years and miles. One weird thing is it came with run flats from the 
>>> factory so there’s no spare, and where the spare would go under the wayback 
>>> floor has the DEF tank in there. Strange setup. I’ll have to get one of 
>>> those small spares to carry in the back.
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Re: [MBZ] 09ML320 bluey

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What codes does it have?

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> I picked up the ML today and will need to do some digging on exactly what is 
> wrong with it. A young guy I know who is a mechanic at my buddy’s shop went 
> for a ride with me to pick it up
> 
> Starts and runs just won’t accelerate well;otherwise, it’s pretty nice for 
> the years and miles. One weird thing is it came with run flats from the 
> factory so there’s no spare, and where the spare would go under the wayback 
> floor has the DEF tank in there. Strange setup. I’ll have to get one of those 
> small spares to carry in the back.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 240D

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I think everyone here is aging to a certain extent. Sent from my iPhoneOn Jul 19, 2024, at 2:52 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:Who are the members who aren't aging?On Fri, Jul 19, 2024 at 3:50 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:That’s right. 

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> On Jul 19, 2024, at 2:47 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
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> Send all the aging members out to the Back40?
> 
> Like the Inuit who put them on an ice floe and let them drift off?
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jul 19, 2024, at 12:33 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
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>> Hahahaha. I think that should be my next business venture.
>> 
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>>>> On Jul 19, 2024, at 2:32 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
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>>> I already have a  life.  It's called Okiebenz Senior Living.
>>> 
>>>> On Fri, Jul 19, 2024 at 3:22 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
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>>>> You need to get a life, buddy.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -D
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>>>>> On Jul 19, 2024, at 12:19 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
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>>>>> I will be up all night tossing and turning.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, Jul 19, 2024 at 3:09 PM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
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>>>>> 
>>>>>> I’ll know in the morning.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> AZBob
>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 19, 2024, at 13:32, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>>>>>>>> Interesting color, not quite china blue.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Phoenix sun bleaching?
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Re: [MBZ] 240D

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That’s right. 

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> On Jul 19, 2024, at 2:47 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
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> Send all the aging members out to the Back40?
> 
> Like the Inuit who put them on an ice floe and let them drift off?
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jul 19, 2024, at 12:33 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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>> Hahahaha. I think that should be my next business venture.
>> 
>> 
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>>>> On Jul 19, 2024, at 2:32 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>>>  wrote:
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>>> I already have a  life.  It's called Okiebenz Senior Living.
>>> 
>>>> On Fri, Jul 19, 2024 at 3:22 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> You need to get a life, buddy.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -D
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 19, 2024, at 12:19 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I will be up all night tossing and turning.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, Jul 19, 2024 at 3:09 PM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
>>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I’ll know in the morning.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> AZBob
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>>>>> On Jul 19, 2024, at 11:27 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
>>>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 19, 2024, at 13:32, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>>>>>>>> Interesting color, not quite china blue.
>>>>>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 240D

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Hahahaha. I think that should be my next business venture.


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> I already have a  life.  It's called Okiebenz Senior Living.
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>> On Fri, Jul 19, 2024 at 3:22 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
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>> You need to get a life, buddy.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Jul 19, 2024, at 12:19 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
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>>> I will be up all night tossing and turning.
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Jul 19, 2024 at 3:09 PM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
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>>> 
 I’ll know in the morning.
 
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> On Fri, Jul 19, 2024, at 13:32, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>> Interesting color, not quite china blue.
> 
> Phoenix sun bleaching?
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Re: [MBZ] CrowdStrike

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In our situation is production services as it’s SaaS for our dealers. I did 
hear something about individuals not able to login to their laptop but I never 
had any issues with that. 


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> On Jul 19, 2024, at 1:20 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Correct. CrowdStrike updates continuously, that is, it constantly “watches” 
> the environment, and when it sees a machine that isn’t up to date, it 
> immediately pushes a patch/update. However, if the client that resides on the 
> machine is borked, it’s got to be fixed manually, that is, by someone logging 
> into the machine with admin rights and running commands directly from the C:\ 
> prompt.
> 
> You can automate jobs like this, but it can be tricky in a large environment 
> because of all the variables involved with different configurations.
> 
> Also understand that CrowdStrike isn’t just on endpoints/PCs, it’s also used 
> on production servers. That is a whole ’nother bag of hurt to have to patch. 
> Very difficult to do automagically, so I’m suspecting that those will all 
> have to be done manually. In my former environment there were over 600 
> servers/virtual machines in production. Do the math.
> 
> Gonna be a long weekend for a lot of people.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jul 19, 2024, at 11:12 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> From our side supposedly there is some sort of manual fix that has to be 
>> implemented. Not really sure but our stuff is starting to come back up now. 
>> At least partially.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>> On Jul 19, 2024, at 1:10 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> My former employer uses CrowdStrike. It’s a wonderful product and does a 
>>> lot of really geat things from a security standpoint. That said, it’s also 
>>> heavily embedded in the endpoints, so if something goes south, well, I 
>>> guess today is a good example.
>>> 
>>> As I understand it, there was an update or patch that borked everything. 
>>> It’s got to be fixed from the command line, meaning that you can't just 
>>> push out a fix and hope it works.
>>> 
>>> Back in the day when I did desktop support we referred to this process as 
>>> “sneakernet.” In otherwords, having to walk around and “touch” every last 
>>> machine.
>>> 
>>> I’ve had a few exchanges with the Crowdstrike admin at my former place, and 
>>> needless to say, he’s cancelled all of his weekend plans.
>>> 
>>> Wow, I do not miss this. At all.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 19, 2024, at 10:43 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> All of our systems our dealers use have been done all day due to a 
>>>> CrowdStrike outage. The airlines were heavily affected. I’m flying as we 
>>>> speak just so far everything has been on time.
>>>> 
>>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] CrowdStrike

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From our side supposedly there is some sort of manual fix that has to be 
implemented. Not really sure but our stuff is starting to come back up now. At 
least partially. 

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> On Jul 19, 2024, at 1:10 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> My former employer uses CrowdStrike. It’s a wonderful product and does a lot 
> of really geat things from a security standpoint. That said, it’s also 
> heavily embedded in the endpoints, so if something goes south, well, I guess 
> today is a good example.
> 
> As I understand it, there was an update or patch that borked everything. It’s 
> got to be fixed from the command line, meaning that you can't just push out a 
> fix and hope it works.
> 
> Back in the day when I did desktop support we referred to this process as 
> “sneakernet.” In otherwords, having to walk around and “touch” every last 
> machine.
> 
> I’ve had a few exchanges with the Crowdstrike admin at my former place, and 
> needless to say, he’s cancelled all of his weekend plans.
> 
> Wow, I do not miss this. At all.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jul 19, 2024, at 10:43 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> All of our systems our dealers use have been done all day due to a 
>> CrowdStrike outage. The airlines were heavily affected. I’m flying as we 
>> speak just so far everything has been on time.
>> 
>> 
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[MBZ] CrowdStrike

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All of our systems our dealers use have been done all day due to a CrowdStrike 
outage. The airlines were heavily affected. I’m flying as we speak just so far 
everything has been on time. 


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Re: [MBZ] 240D

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It’s baby blue, not sure what the official color is called.

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> On Jul 19, 2024, at 12:33 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Interesting color, not quite china blue. Could be a respray or it could be 
> just the camera...
> 
> -Curt
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Friday, July 19, 2024 at 01:05:20 PM EDT, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> I just randomly saw this:
> 
> https://offerup.co/ZmnJPlDBmLb
> 
> Have to go check that out I feel. Cannot believe the AC is cold.
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Re: [MBZ] 240D

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Let me what you find out. I might be game if you are not.

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> On Jul 19, 2024, at 12:09 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I figured you'd be.
> The dude is a tow yard/impound. His message on VM said to be at the yard at 
> 0830 in the morning to be able to look at. We are phone tagging at the moment.
> 
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> I am highly interested in that.
> 
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>> On Jul 19, 2024, at 11:59 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I just randomly saw this:
>> 
>> https://offerup.co/ZmnJPlDBmLb
>> 
>> Have to go check that out I feel. Cannot believe the AC is cold.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 240D

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I am highly interested in that. 

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>  wrote:
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> I just randomly saw this:
> 
> https://offerup.co/ZmnJPlDBmLb
> 
> Have to go check that out I feel. Cannot believe the AC is cold.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] W115 240D on BAT

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Dang didn’t see it

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> On Jul 16, 2024, at 2:47 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Sold…$6450
> 
> AZBob
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>> On Jul 16, 2024, at 11:39 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Caledonian green/green.  Very pretty.  Very clean.  Might sell at a
>> reasonable price (NR auction). Kaleb?
>> 
>> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1976-mercedes-benz-240d-13/
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Re: [MBZ] begje interior

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Yea good move 

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> On Jul 16, 2024, at 2:51 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> And this is now officially off my radar.
> Seller boy messaged again saying he can’t meet today after all so I told him 
> thanks but no thanks.
> 
> Back to dealing with the W163 ML (rear window regulator, CP) in the 110 
> degree garage.
> 
> AZBob
> 
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>> On Jul 16, 2024, at 11:13 AM, Bob Rentfro  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes. Exactly.
>> I just got a message from him saying I can come and scan it at 4pm. I 
>> suppose I will.
>> You both are right about me not having ample room to mess with it and not 
>> wanting a project.
>> 
>> AZBob
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>> On Jul 16, 2024, at 10:53 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes scan it and see what’s up. Google what comes up and see what is 
>>> involved. If something complicated I would walk. You probably don’t want to 
>>> take on a complicated project.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 16, 2024, at 12:51 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I’ve done it, but considering that this is nothing more than a flip for 
>>>> the guy and he has no interest in the vehicle itself, you’re essentially 
>>>> assuming the risk he took when he bought it at auction. If it was a 
>>>> private seller/owner I would have a different attitude as you could at 
>>>> least get some history out of them, but in this case that’s a big black 
>>>> hole and isn’t going to change unless you get a VMI.
>>>> 
>>>> If you were Floyd with a vast estate and cars to scavenge parts off of as 
>>>> well as resources for reprogramming ECUs, I could totally see it. But in 
>>>> your case I think it’s a bad idea. I would feel the same way if it were 
>>>> me, even knowing what we do about it at this point. Unless I was hell bent 
>>>> on having one of these, I would move on. There will always be more.
>>>> 
>>>> Worst case, check it out, scan it, (don’t share the results with the 
>>>> seller, he doesn’t deserve or need thte information) and report back to 
>>>> see if it’s repairable. Then you’ve got to make a quick decision as to 
>>>> whether or not you want to assume the risk.
>>>> 
>>>> I’ve walked away from plenty of deals like this and never felt bad about 
>>>> one yet.
>>>> 
>>>> -D
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jul 16, 2024, at 9:40 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> If and when I hear back from him, I will do a scan and see what it turns 
>>>>> up. My interest in it is waning I'm afraid.
>>>>> 
>>>>> AZBob
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> From: Mercedes  on behalf of Buggered 
>>>>> Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 15, 2024 10:11 PM
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>>>>> Cc: Buggered Benzmail 
>>>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] begje interior
>>>>> 
>>>>> In perfect shape it might be a $5k vehicle but $4500 might be more 
>>>>> realistic. It’s 16yr old but maybe the diesel adds a bit of value.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Add up all what might be needed (CP swap figure $1k easy to get a “new” 
>>>>> one for $400, maybe $400 for programming, and $200 for fluid/filter, you 
>>>>> do the work not paying someone to do it) and back out from say $5k and 
>>>>> there’s your number. The CP might be ok though, you’ll have to see the 
>>>>> scan.
>>>>> 
>>>>> --FT
>>>>> Sent from iFōn
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jul 16, 2024, at 1:01 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Let’s see…..Johnny Italiano bought it for $5000 at the auction and when 
>>>>>> he went to drive it home he learned it was in limp mode. He has it 
>>>>>> priced at $4000, and told me that he’s prepared to lose his shirt. It 
>>>>>> for certain needs the conductor plate, a windshield, and tires soon.
>>>>>> I think $1500 might piss him off, but I don’t know his definition of 
>>>>>> “l

Re: [MBZ] begje interior

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Yes scan it and see what’s up. Google what comes up and see what is involved. 
If something complicated I would walk. You probably don’t want to take on a 
complicated project.

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> On Jul 16, 2024, at 12:51 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I’ve done it, but considering that this is nothing more than a flip for the 
> guy and he has no interest in the vehicle itself, you’re essentially assuming 
> the risk he took when he bought it at auction. If it was a private 
> seller/owner I would have a different attitude as you could at least get some 
> history out of them, but in this case that’s a big black hole and isn’t going 
> to change unless you get a VMI.
> 
> If you were Floyd with a vast estate and cars to scavenge parts off of as 
> well as resources for reprogramming ECUs, I could totally see it. But in your 
> case I think it’s a bad idea. I would feel the same way if it were me, even 
> knowing what we do about it at this point. Unless I was hell bent on having 
> one of these, I would move on. There will always be more.
> 
> Worst case, check it out, scan it, (don’t share the results with the seller, 
> he doesn’t deserve or need thte information) and report back to see if it’s 
> repairable. Then you’ve got to make a quick decision as to whether or not you 
> want to assume the risk.
> 
> I’ve walked away from plenty of deals like this and never felt bad about one 
> yet.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Jul 16, 2024, at 9:40 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> If and when I hear back from him, I will do a scan and see what it turns up. 
>> My interest in it is waning I'm afraid.
>> 
>> AZBob
>> 
>> 
>> From: Mercedes  on behalf of Buggered 
>> Benzmail via Mercedes 
>> Sent: Monday, July 15, 2024 10:11 PM
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>> Cc: Buggered Benzmail 
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] begje interior
>> 
>> In perfect shape it might be a $5k vehicle but $4500 might be more 
>> realistic. It’s 16yr old but maybe the diesel adds a bit of value.
>> 
>> Add up all what might be needed (CP swap figure $1k easy to get a “new” one 
>> for $400, maybe $400 for programming, and $200 for fluid/filter, you do the 
>> work not paying someone to do it) and back out from say $5k and there’s your 
>> number. The CP might be ok though, you’ll have to see the scan.
>> 
>> --FT
>> Sent from iFōn
>> 
>>>> On Jul 16, 2024, at 1:01 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Let’s see…..Johnny Italiano bought it for $5000 at the auction and when he 
>>> went to drive it home he learned it was in limp mode. He has it priced at 
>>> $4000, and told me that he’s prepared to lose his shirt. It for certain 
>>> needs the conductor plate, a windshield, and tires soon.
>>> I think $1500 might piss him off, but I don’t know his definition of “loose 
>>> mya shirt” is.
>>> 
>>> $416 for a windshield from SafeLight btw.
>>> 
>>> AZBob
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 15, 2024, at 9:50 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Yes 722.9. The CP in a 722.9 is coded to the car. You can get a good used 
>>>> (or something) refurb for $400 or pull one at a junkyard (that might not 
>>>> be good) for not much and then clone it from the old one. That will cost 
>>>> something unless you “know a guy.”  A 722.6 CP is maybe $60 and not coded, 
>>>> neither is the control module.
>>>> 
>>>> --FT
>>>> Sent from iFōn
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jul 16, 2024, at 12:34 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> A 722.9 conductor plate job looks more involved and more costly than a 
>>>>> 722.6 job.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jul 15, 2024, at 8:58 PM, Bob Rentfro  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> A 2008 ML320 CDI 4Matic has a 722.9 transmission, yes?
>>>>>> Those conductor plates seem to be considerably more expensive than a 
>>>>>> 722.6.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> AZBob
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Jul 15, 2024, at 7:16 PM, Bob Rentfro  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Oh for sure.
>>&

Re: [MBZ] begje interior

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Price it on safelite.



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> On Jul 15, 2024, at 9:26 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Oh for sure.
> He couldn’t even describe it. I’m pretty sure that’s what he was describing 
> in his broken English. He’s a 22 year old kid fresh from Italy.
> 
> I guess I’ll take 20 pictures of Mr. Franklin and my scanner and start at 
> $1500 (depending on the codes of course) because he kept repeating how he 
> paid $5k for it at the auction and he’s gonna “loose hez shirt” on “dis 
> dizzle”
> I think it can be cleaned up and sorted and be a good driver. Oh, and it 
> needs a windshield. Would I get it insured, wait a couple days then call 
> insurance or just pay to get it replaced? I have no earthly idea how much a 
> proper windshield costs.
> 
> AZBob
> 
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> 
>> On Jul 15, 2024, at 6:27 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> There is no telling what he means by limp mode. Will have to scan it
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>> On Jul 15, 2024, at 8:21 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Finally made arrangements to see this thing with the seller. And of 
>>> course, when I get there, he says that he doesn’t have the keys that his 
>>> brother took them accidentally so my first visit was simply looking it 
>>> over. He bought it at an auction for five grand. It looks, pretty darn 
>>> good. It’s in limp mode which he didn’t know what it was or how to describe 
>>> it very well. I’m going to try to meet with him tomorrow when he has the 
>>> key and put the scanner on it but he says he’s gonna sell it and he’s gonna 
>>> take a loss on it so I could really make that happen for him. I think 
>>> because all in all it looks like it’s in pretty darn good shape.  there’s 
>>> no hanging out that would indicate that it has any issues with the oil 
>>> cooler seals.
>>> So…limp mode for this would be conductor plate as well, correct?
>>> I suppose scanning it will tell the tail.
>>> 
>>> AZBob
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 11, 2024, at 9:16 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Realtor spec
>>>> 
>>>> --FT
>>>> Sent from iFōn
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jul 11, 2024, at 5:02 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> For sure.  Nice color combo.
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Re: [MBZ] begje interior

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There is no telling what he means by limp mode. Will have to scan it 
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> On Jul 15, 2024, at 8:21 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Finally made arrangements to see this thing with the seller. And of course, 
> when I get there, he says that he doesn’t have the keys that his brother took 
> them accidentally so my first visit was simply looking it over. He bought it 
> at an auction for five grand. It looks, pretty darn good. It’s in limp mode 
> which he didn’t know what it was or how to describe it very well. I’m going 
> to try to meet with him tomorrow when he has the key and put the scanner on 
> it but he says he’s gonna sell it and he’s gonna take a loss on it so I could 
> really make that happen for him. I think because all in all it looks like 
> it’s in pretty darn good shape.  there’s no hanging out that would indicate 
> that it has any issues with the oil cooler seals.
> So…limp mode for this would be conductor plate as well, correct?
> I suppose scanning it will tell the tail.
> 
> AZBob
> 
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>> On Jul 11, 2024, at 9:16 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Realtor spec
>> 
>> --FT
>> Sent from iFōn
>> 
 On Jul 11, 2024, at 5:02 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> For sure.  Nice color combo.
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Re: [MBZ] 2019 GLA250

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I think I would go with toda too. 

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> On Jul 15, 2024, at 5:37 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
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> 
> Something that late model I would go with the Toyota. After researching it, 
> of course.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> On Jul 15, 2024, at 3:03 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Cheap entry level tinny.
> 
> Go with the yoda
> 
> --FT
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> On Jul 15, 2024, at 6:00 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
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> My Cali child’s partner is considering this:
> 
> 
> [Cars-PD_OG-IMG.webp]
> Used 2019 Mercedes-Benz GLA 250 Base For Sale 
> $23,998
> cars.com
> 
> She’s vacillating between this or 2021ish Toyota CHR Nightshade.
> Who among us had the scoop on these GLAs? Would it be suitable for a girl who 
> is reasonably vehicularly aware to drive this around SoCal?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Selling due to transmission slipping but drives. 2004 Mercedes-Benz sl-class SL 600 Roadster 2D, $10, 500

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I have seen them pop up for sale from time to time but never snagged one. Last 
time I saw one it sold almost as soon as it was posted. 

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> On Jul 15, 2024, at 3:54 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
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> 
> What, you don’t have one?
> 
> And yes, you’re right - that thing they use to put the body’s head on would 
> be perfect for the tailshaft housing to rest on.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jul 15, 2024, at 1:49 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> An embalming table would be perfect for this.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>> On Jul 15, 2024, at 3:47 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Rebuilding automatic transmissions is far from rocket science. In fact, 
>>> it's pretty simple for the most part. Make sure you have a place to work 
>>> that’s clean, an area to disassemble that can get oily/dirty, and some high 
>>> quality snap ring pliers and you should be good. I’m sure the more 
>>> modern/electronic they get the more difficult it will be, but something 
>>> like a 722.x can’t be that difficult.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 15, 2024, at 1:42 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I watched a couple of vids about rebuilding 722.6s and 722.9s.  They are 
>>>> actually quite easy to rebuild, you just have to keep track of the bits 
>>>> and keep everything really clean.  Stuff just comes apart like a 3D puzzle 
>>>> and the vids show it very clearly.  I think there are manuals for it too, 
>>>> I might have downloaded one.  The rebuild kits are like $300, just some 
>>>> clutches and such.  On 722.9s the pump can go bad and you need a new front 
>>>> housing of the unit that the pump works in but a junkyard unit would 
>>>> probably be OK.
>>>> 
>>>> The hard part is getting it out of the car without pulling the engine, I 
>>>> don't know how hard that would be in a R230 but it is probably pretty 
>>>> tight to get at all the bolts.  A lift and trans jack would help a lot.
>>>> 
>>>> --FT
>>>> 
>>>>> On 7/15/24 4:13 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>>>>> I would bet that a new/rebuilt transmission would cost a lot more than 
>>>>> "2-3 grand".
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 15, 2024 at 3:13 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> This tempts... I believe this is a 722.6 which should be pretty
>>>>> stout so
>>>>> not sure what the problem could be unless it was run low on fluid and
>>>>> abused which is entirely possible. Rebuilds are not difficult once
>>>>> it is
>>>>> out of the car. Looks like a lot of work on it. This engine is
>>>>> actually
>>>>> pretty reliable too. My rational brain says RUN AWAY but my
>>>>> passions
>>>>> say... laws hep me!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Twin Turbo 12 cylinder. Renntech Modified, can be returned to
>>>>> stock with
>>>>> device. Absolute thrill of a car. Many services done including ABC
>>>>> struts, motor mounts, convertible roof, etc. I purchased recently
>>>>> from a
>>>>> coworker and the transmission started slipping. Runs and drives
>>>>> but most
>>>>> likely will need replacement down the road unless it is a
>>>>> transmission
>>>>> solenoid/conductor plate or sensor issue. I have performed a fluid
>>>>> change and filter replacement but did not help. I don’t have the
>>>>> funds
>>>>> at the minute to dish out a 2-3 thousand for a transmission
>>>>> rebuild/replacement. May slightly negotiate in person. If you ask
>>>>> me “is
>>>>> it available” I will ignore you. If it’s up, it is available. No
>>>>> trades.
>>>>> 
>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/8164972506902741
>>>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Selling due to transmission slipping but drives. 2004 Mercedes-Benz sl-class SL 600 Roadster 2D, $10, 500

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

An embalming table would be perfect for this.

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> On Jul 15, 2024, at 3:47 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Rebuilding automatic transmissions is far from rocket science. In fact, it's 
> pretty simple for the most part. Make sure you have a place to work that’s 
> clean, an area to disassemble that can get oily/dirty, and some high quality 
> snap ring pliers and you should be good. I’m sure the more modern/electronic 
> they get the more difficult it will be, but something like a 722.x can’t be 
> that difficult.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jul 15, 2024, at 1:42 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I watched a couple of vids about rebuilding 722.6s and 722.9s.  They are 
>> actually quite easy to rebuild, you just have to keep track of the bits and 
>> keep everything really clean.  Stuff just comes apart like a 3D puzzle and 
>> the vids show it very clearly.  I think there are manuals for it too, I 
>> might have downloaded one.  The rebuild kits are like $300, just some 
>> clutches and such.  On 722.9s the pump can go bad and you need a new front 
>> housing of the unit that the pump works in but a junkyard unit would 
>> probably be OK.
>> 
>> The hard part is getting it out of the car without pulling the engine, I 
>> don't know how hard that would be in a R230 but it is probably pretty tight 
>> to get at all the bolts.  A lift and trans jack would help a lot.
>> 
>> --FT
>> 
>>> On 7/15/24 4:13 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>>> I would bet that a new/rebuilt transmission would cost a lot more than "2-3 
>>> grand".
>>> 
 On Mon, Jul 15, 2024 at 3:13 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>>   This tempts... I believe this is a 722.6 which should be pretty
>>>   stout so
>>>   not sure what the problem could be unless it was run low on fluid and
>>>   abused which is entirely possible. Rebuilds are not difficult once
>>>   it is
>>>   out of the car. Looks like a lot of work on it. This engine is
>>>   actually
>>>   pretty reliable too. My rational brain says RUN AWAY but my
>>>   passions
>>>   say... laws hep me!
>>> 
>>>   Twin Turbo 12 cylinder. Renntech Modified, can be returned to
>>>   stock with
>>>   device. Absolute thrill of a car. Many services done including ABC
>>>   struts, motor mounts, convertible roof, etc. I purchased recently
>>>   from a
>>>   coworker and the transmission started slipping. Runs and drives
>>>   but most
>>>   likely will need replacement down the road unless it is a
>>>   transmission
>>>   solenoid/conductor plate or sensor issue. I have performed a fluid
>>>   change and filter replacement but did not help. I don’t have the
>>>   funds
>>>   at the minute to dish out a 2-3 thousand for a transmission
>>>   rebuild/replacement. May slightly negotiate in person. If you ask
>>>   me “is
>>>   it available” I will ignore you. If it’s up, it is available. No
>>>   trades.
>>> 
>>>   https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/8164972506902741
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Rough as a Cob but Cheap

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Yea, not JonSent from my iPhoneOn Jul 15, 2024, at 3:16 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:Label it "a survivor" and find some paperwork linking prior ownership to John Voight.On Mon, Jul 15, 2024 at 3:07 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:Yes. Typically it would not be worth the ask much less the time to put into it. The Fakebook idiot factor is the unknown here. 

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> You could flip that in Hippie Havens for some good profit once cleaned up a bit and running, or sell it on the FB groups where idiots have the vapors over these things
> 
> --FT
> 
>> On 7/15/24 2:44 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
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Re: [MBZ] Rough as a Cob but Cheap

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Yes. Typically it would not be worth the ask much less the time to put into it. 
The Fakebook idiot factor is the unknown here. 

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> 
> You could flip that in Hippie Havens for some good profit once cleaned up a 
> bit and running, or sell it on the FB groups where idiots have the vapors 
> over these things
> 
> --FT
> 
>> On 7/15/24 2:44 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
>> https://www.facebook.com/share/QtWNSG76dzZxkwwf/
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Re: [MBZ] Rough as a Cob but Cheap

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Yea rough and cheap. 


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Re: [MBZ] FBMPClown

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That’s pretty typical. I am convinced the IQ if the general population is greatly decreasing.Sent from my iPhoneOn Jul 14, 2024, at 3:28 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  wrote:I’m still attempting to get this clown to engage:<442492614_122100670544337180_968688003151781952_n.jpg>2008 Mercedes-Benz M-Class · ML 320 CDI Sport Utility 4Dfacebook.comHe doesn’t answer question on condition. His only replies to me have been “tomorrow” when I asked yesterday morning if I could see the car yesterday, and then when I asked him what time he answered 9 hours later, “12pm”.  So I instantly asked for a meeting place…..crickets. I asked three more times last night and six times before 1100 today and no response. This is the first 100% FBMP idiot I’ve dealt with. Guess I’ve been lucky.AZBobSent from my iPhone___http://www.okiebenz.comTo search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com___
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Re: [MBZ] sagging headliner repair

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These are problems older cars never had.

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> 
> These:
> 
> 
> 
> [41aGnOJcKrL._SR600,315_PIWhiteStrip,BottomLeft,0,35_PIStarRatingFOURANDHALF,BottomLeft,360,-6_SR600,315_ZA9%2C272,445,290,400,400,AmazonEmberBold,12,4,0,0,5_SCLZZZ_FMpng_BG255,255,255.jpg]
> Attmu 50 Pcs Upholstery Tacks Headliner Pins Clear Heads Twist Pins for 
> Slipcovers and Bedskirts, 0.5 Inches Bed Skirt 
> Pins
> amazon.com
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> 
> On Jul 14, 2024, at 12:07 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Very common in W210 and W211s, especially if they’ve lived in a hot climate.
> 
> I’ve seen people use the little “corkscrew” pins to hold it up, but remember, 
> you’re poking into a fiberglass panel in most cases, and it’s not going to 
> like it.
> 
> -D
> 
> On Jul 14, 2024, at 12:02 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I think the answer is "no" but is there an effective DIY approach to dealing 
> with a sagging headliner? In the past I've tried 3M sticky spray and it 
> initially works but not for long.
> 
> If not, what sort of shop do I look for? There's one shop locally that 
> advertises repairs that are typically in the $250-$500 range.
> 
> Car in question is my W211 E500. Headliner is not down but it's sagging over 
> the rear window shelf and seat back area, it flaps around in the breeze if I 
> have the rear windows open.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Local W108 in MD

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What would a reasonable amount to pay for one in decent cosmetic shape that 
might need some reasonable mechanical work? I would prefer a 4.5, I think. I 
have never had a 108 aside from a few parts cars.  I know there is some sort of 
issue with hydraulic suspension compensator something or other.

 
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> 
> It’s likely more dependent on condition than anything else. Nice ones are 
> going to command big bucks, but maybe buyers are starting to realize what a 
> nightmare they can be to restore?
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jul 13, 2024, at 9:25 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I wish I would have bought one years ago when they were much cheaper. 
>> According to some people, they say the demand and prices for them are 
>> dropping like a rock. Anyone seeing that?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>> On Jul 13, 2024, at 11:15 AM, David Bruckmann via Mercedes 
>>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> For perspective: my less-than-100k-original-miles California 1972 W108
>>> 280SEL 4.5 with original paint and no accidents, full leather interior,
>>> cost $3800 when I bought it in 2007.
>>> 
>>> I wouldn't drive it ONE FOOT before replacing all the rubber underhood fuel
>>> injection hoses. Any D-Jetronic-equipped engine is a flamethrower waiting
>>> to happen unless those hoses are serviceable.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> On Sat, Jul 13, 2024, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> If it were running and moving I might be tempted...
>>>> 
>>>> On Fri, Jul 12, 2024 at 8:45?PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> That doesn?t seem like a $4900 car even though it looks pretty nice.
>>>>> 
>>>>> --FT
>>>>> Sent from iF?n
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jul 12, 2024, at 8:15?PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ?The seller writes:  "I don't have any time [to put the car in running
>>>>>> condition].  The car runs. Selling as is.  The engine turns.  Needs new
>>>>>> gas."
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 12, 2024 at 8:31?AM Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
>>>>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> All 108s, including 4.5s, could be had with leather and MB Tex.  I
>>>>> current
>>>>>>> own one of each with a 4.5, both short wheelbase.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Even a 250S could have leather.  Only exception might be the odd ball
>>>>>>> 108.015 300SE? the steel sprung M189 powered car?. They might all have
>>>>>>> leather.  I have one in the shop now, it?s quite a machine!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Jaime
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Jaime Kopchinski
>>>>>>> https://classicworkshop.com/
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 11, 2024 at 4:45?PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>>>>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I drove over to have a look. Rust issues  include gaping hole in
>>>> trunk
>>>>>>>> spare tire well, corroded battery tray, holes in rear of both front
>>>>>>>> fenders.  Has been sitting in the sun so all door seals are rotted.
>>>>>>> Still,
>>>>>>>> the interior is surprisingly fresh and there is no bad smell.  Owner
>>>> is
>>>>>>>> going to get it running but front right brake caliper is seized so it
>>>>>>> must
>>>>>>>> be towed away.  Has been in same family for 30+ years and there is a
>>>>>>> paper
>>>>>>>> trail + documents.  Biggest issue would probably be the rust,
>>>> assuming
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> drive train checks out.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 11, 2024 at 10:07?AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
>>>>>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>&

Re: [MBZ] Local W108 in MD

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I wish I would have bought one years ago when they were much cheaper. According 
to some people, they say the demand and prices for them are dropping like a 
rock. Anyone seeing that?

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>  wrote:
> 
> For perspective: my less-than-100k-original-miles California 1972 W108
> 280SEL 4.5 with original paint and no accidents, full leather interior,
> cost $3800 when I bought it in 2007.
> 
> I wouldn't drive it ONE FOOT before replacing all the rubber underhood fuel
> injection hoses. Any D-Jetronic-equipped engine is a flamethrower waiting
> to happen unless those hoses are serviceable.
> 
> 
>> On Sat, Jul 13, 2024, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> If it were running and moving I might be tempted...
>> 
>> On Fri, Jul 12, 2024 at 8:45?PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> That doesn?t seem like a $4900 car even though it looks pretty nice.
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> Sent from iF?n
>>> 
 On Jul 12, 2024, at 8:15?PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 ?The seller writes:  "I don't have any time [to put the car in running
 condition].  The car runs. Selling as is.  The engine turns.  Needs new
 gas."
 
> On Fri, Jul 12, 2024 at 8:31?AM Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> All 108s, including 4.5s, could be had with leather and MB Tex.  I
>>> current
> own one of each with a 4.5, both short wheelbase.
> 
> Even a 250S could have leather.  Only exception might be the odd ball
> 108.015 300SE? the steel sprung M189 powered car?. They might all have
> leather.  I have one in the shop now, it?s quite a machine!
> 
> Jaime
> 
> 
> Jaime Kopchinski
> https://classicworkshop.com/
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> 
> On Thu, Jul 11, 2024 at 4:45?PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
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> 
>> I drove over to have a look. Rust issues  include gaping hole in
>> trunk
>> spare tire well, corroded battery tray, holes in rear of both front
>> fenders.  Has been sitting in the sun so all door seals are rotted.
> Still,
>> the interior is surprisingly fresh and there is no bad smell.  Owner
>> is
>> going to get it running but front right brake caliper is seized so it
> must
>> be towed away.  Has been in same family for 30+ years and there is a
> paper
>> trail + documents.  Biggest issue would probably be the rust,
>> assuming
> the
>> drive train checks out.
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Jul 11, 2024 at 10:07?AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
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>> 
>>> I like that. Could be a nice rolling resto.
>>> 
>>> ?FT
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
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>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 ?Might be worth a look.  Red interior is special, although the
>> engine
>> bay
 seems quite corroded.  Thoughts?
 
>>> 
>> 
> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] This could be a good deal

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Even if it’s not covered under warranty it’s easy to clean out. Remove it from 
the car. Spray a couple of cans of engine degreaser down it and let it sit for 
an hour. Flush with water. Next seal up the openings on one end and turn it up 
end to end best you can. Fill it up with a solution of 1:4 muriatic acid and 
water. Let sit for an hour. Flush with water and should be good to go. 

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> On Jul 13, 2024, at 10:46 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> No, DPF clogged up.
> 
> I messaged the guy, he got right back to me, I'm taking a little road trip 
> tomorrow...
> 
> --FT
> 
>> On 7/13/24 11:35 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>> Black death?
>> 
>> On Sat, Jul 13, 2024 at 10:19 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Looks nice for the miles and money if you’re looking for a diesel.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 13, 2024, at 7:03 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
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>>>> Interesting. I should definitely go look at it. Could be a decent ride
>>> for pretty cheap. Has a hitch too.
>>>> —FT
>>>> 
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>>>>> On Jul 13, 2024, at 9:52 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>> Yes a good deal. If I’m not mistaken the DPF should be under warranty
>>> from the recall.
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/829177899173539/
>>>>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] This could be a good deal

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Yes a good deal. If I’m not mistaken the DPF should be under warranty from the 
recall.

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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Diagnostic report of Mercedes

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Conductor plate Sent from my iPhoneOn Jul 12, 2024, at 12:31 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  wrote:The transmission speed sensor fault that this shows….possible cause of the intermittent limp mode? For my W163…’04 Ml350









Dear customer,

has given you a diagnostic report from the product(SN:960744074353), please check it!

Click here to download the diagnostic
 report


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[MBZ] Overpriced diesel gas

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[MBZ] Somebody like poos needs to save this

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Re: [MBZ] begje interior

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Yes 

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> On Jul 11, 2024, at 1:04 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Seller won't answer the oil cooler question I asked but he did supply the 
> VIN so I ran a Carfax.
> 
> Two prior owners, 90% of all maintenance/services done at dealerships (CA and 
> WA). One report of "minor" rear end damage in 2016.  Having read through the 
> Carfax it seems all the important stuff has been done and maintained, no 
> mention of oil cooler work.
> 
> It's probably worth a look you reckon?
> 
> AZBob
> 
> From: Bob Rentfro 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2024 12:49 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] begje interior
> 
> I've reached out to the seller. Nothing yet.
> 
> AZBob
> 
> From: Mercedes  on behalf of Floyd Thursby via 
> Mercedes 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2024 12:45 PM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
> Cc: Floyd Thursby 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] begje interior
> 
> Looks like a good deal if it checks out
> 
> --FT
> 
>> On 7/10/24 12:08 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
>> Very nice conditions. Everything else feels good
>> 
>> https://www.facebook.com/share/tm7iaoJsHzwdyQWy/
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] we are negotiable - 1984 300TD - 196k miles - $21,900

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They are out of their mind on that price. 

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> On Jul 10, 2024, at 5:22 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The chrome wheel arches are an abomination on any car and also hasten 
> infection with the tinworm. I can’t count the number of W126s I’ve seen over 
> the years where all it took to start rust occurring with these things on the 
> car was the little screws they used to self-drill into the fender lip.
> 
> I’m not a fan of the 8-hole wheels on W123s, but with the limited choices of 
> wheel sizes for these cars, especially 15” versions, I would consider it for 
> just that reason. I’ve owned a W123 with stock 15” steel wheels, and it was a 
> totally different car to drive compared to the 14” stock wheels. I completely 
> agree that they should be bundts (yuck!) or steelies with color-keyed wheel 
> covers, the classiest looking setup I've ever seen on any car trying to 
> coordinate wheel colors with the body color scheme.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jul 10, 2024, at 10:41 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I think the chrome wheels and arches are are ugly and wrong, the W123 needs 
>> to have Bundts or hubcaps. But I guess not many of these left. Aftermarket 
>> radio.
>> 
>> https://cleveland.craigslist.org/cto/d/bellevue-mercedes-benz-300td-wagon/7764790175.html
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Re: [MBZ] Local W108 in MD

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Did the 4.5 come with MB Tex or did they all have leather from the factory?

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> On Jul 10, 2024, at 5:14 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Parts are probably worth the ask. Getting that engine sorted, especially the 
> fuel system, could be problematic based on the photos and condition. Interior 
> sure looks nice, and the body/paint issues don’t look bad at all. Looks like 
> it’s got the old “Kangol” seat belts.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jul 10, 2024, at 1:46 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Might be worth a look.  Red interior is special, although the engine bay
>> seems quite corroded.  Thoughts?
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Re: [MBZ] Limp Mode

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Probably as there is not a drain on the later .6

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> On Jul 9, 2024, at 10:05 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Only 5 liters of ATF? Can that be correct, or are they assuming you’re not 
> draining the torque converter? Has to be…
> 
> -D
> 
> On Jul 9, 2024, at 7:02 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Yes that’s a different one. Here’s the correct one:
> 
> <https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/mercedes-722-6-comprehensive-transmission-service-kit>
> 
> Mercedes 722.6 Conductor Plate Transmission Service Kit - OE Supplier 
> 7226CSK<https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/mercedes-722-6-comprehensive-transmission-service-kit>
> fcpeuro.com<https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/mercedes-722-6-comprehensive-transmission-service-kit>
> 
> 
> AZBob
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jul 9, 2024, at 6:57 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> $200 dealer part?
> 
> FCP Euro wants $950. Or is this something different?
> 
> https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/mercedes-transmission-conductor-plate-genuine-mercedes-0002702600
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jul 9, 2024, at 18:35, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> I’m the meantime I have replaced many of them, 2 just in the last
> month.  Once little secret I will give. Don’t buy the $200 dealer part,
> as far as I can tell and have researched the $60 kit all over eBay is
> the exact same part. I have used many of these and never had a problem.
> I don’t use the filter, connector plug etc that comes in the kit though.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jul 9, 2024, at 5:26 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I’ve been corresponding with AZBob on this, although I have little to no 
> experience with swapping out conductor plates, I gave him the lowdown on what 
> to expect when he scans the car for the first time. A lot of cruft, most 
> likely, which after running a report to capture everything he should clear 
> all codes, then drive the car for a few days at least if it doesn’t goof up. 
> At that point call it an anomaly, hitting the shifter to the “manual” side, 
> or heat, who knows? Or, if things really are going south or potentially 
> borked, the scan he’ll do in a few days after clearing out the cruft will 
> reveal what’s going on in the present.
> 
> I’m no proponent of cheap Chinesium scanners, but for the $150 or so that one 
> costs, the amount of information you can get from it even if you’re not 
> planning on doing the work yourself, is invaluable. I especially like the one 
> I recommended to AZBob, as it has a built-in feature that allows you to email 
> a copy of the scan results with codes and links to OBDII resources if it’s an 
> OBDII code. I know Floyd had one that borked, but mine has held up just fine 
> with limited use.
> 
> -D
> 
> On Jul 9, 2024, at 2:23 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> This suggests a failing CP given it might be temperature related. But check 
> the cable and connectors first before doing anything else.
> 
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
> 
> On Jul 9, 2024, at 1:42 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I'm waiting on the scanner to arrive so I can validate the diagnosis before 
> I order parts.
> 
> Or, order parts now and just do it because it will likely kack in the future?
> 
> AZBob
> 
> From: Mercedes  on behalf of Buggered Benzmail 
> via Mercedes 
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> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Limp Mode
> 
> Scan it and see if you have solenoid codes.  Any codes would suggest 
> inability for TCM to talk to the conductor plate (I’m assuming 163?). The TCM 
> is under the steering wheel a bit to the left, you can pop off the connector 
> and see if there is any fluid that has wicked up. If not check the connector 
> at the transmission for fluid inside it. If those are dry it’s likely CP time 
> which on a 722.6 is not expensive but a bit of a bother to swap (not as much 
> as 722.9). Figure $200-250 for new CP and fluid and filter (which you should 
> do anyway if it’s been awhile).  Plenty of utubers on how to do the job. 
> Valvoline Maxlife is a fluid you can use.
> 
> —FT
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Jul 9, 2024, at 1:43 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> After going to the Diamondbacks game to watch another crushing defeat, I got 
> in the ML and started driving home and it wouldn’t shift out of what felt 
> like second gear. I initially noticed it was very sluggish taking off (like 
> it was taking off in second). I’m guessing that’s limp mode. No

Re: [MBZ] Again, With the Torbo

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Yes

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> On Jul 9, 2024, at 7:50 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> as someone who watches CD market I think that is a good buy.
> 
>> On Tue, Jul 9, 2024, 7:41 PM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Stop the presses!!
>> He just dropped it to $9,500!
>> 
>> AZBob
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 8, 2024, at 6:49 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> These coupes seem to be big money these days.  With the lowish miles
>> and if it is in good condition, $10k might not be too crazy of a price
>> especially since it is a 85. I would prefer $8k, but in reality my goal
>> would be $4k.
>>> 
>>>> On 7/8/2024 4:10 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
>>>> Here is what the seller replied when I asked all the requisite
>> questions:
>>>> 
>>>> “I have no information other than this. John, who died, bought the car
>> for $17,000 just before he died. It was delivered to the house parked for
>> at least 2 1/2 years but was started on occasion.  As far as I know, John
>> never got to drive it.
>>>> I have driven the car from the back yard to the front yard. “
>>>> 
>>>> Interesting….
>>>> 
>>>> AZBob
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jul 8, 2024, at 1:44 PM, Bob Rentfro  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I can't shake this one from my brain. I  might go give it a look with
>> money in my pocket but it's so hard to get motivated to do anything
>> outdoors (114 at this present moment, on its way to 118).
>>>>> 
>>>>> Someone said $5K would be reasonable? I'm not sure how quickly a
>> vehicle unloads in an estate sale. What are coupe red flags?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I also noticed, this second time looking at it, that there seems to be
>> grease oozing from the driver's front hub. Big deal? Can't say I've ever
>> seen that before.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Never had a coupe. But I certainly don't want to latch on to something
>> that is going to be more of a headache than having a 45 year old car
>> already is.
>>>>> 
>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/share/1u8XbVsif3SpK8sR/
>>>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Limp Mode

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Yes

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> On Jul 9, 2024, at 7:06 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> If necessary. Don’t get ahead of yourself. Pan plug seals often come with 
> the filter. You can use Hengst/Mann/Mahle filters, as long as they’re the 
> actual name-brand and not a knockoff. I prefer Mann, but any of these I 
> believe are OEM. I get them on Amazon. I’ll also replace the plug and sealing 
> ring no matter what. They’re cheap and you’re there.
> 
> As someone else mentioned, the Valvoline MaxLife for foreign cars is 
> acceptable an dreadily available at FLAPS as well as WallyWhirled, too, I 
> believe.
> 
> But wait until you can get a scan. Unless it does it again, which I’m betting 
> it won’t.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jul 9, 2024, at 4:24 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> So what I’m reading is:
>> 
>> ebay CP
>> OE connector
>> OE filter
>> and then…
>> pan gasket
>> plug gasket
>> fluid
>> 
>> AZBob
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Jul 9, 2024, at 3:46 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Gotcha. I wondered, since the connector is the first line of defense when 
>>> it comes to ATF wicking up the harness. They used to be pretty cheap atthe 
>>> stealership, like $10-$12. I’m sure they’re more now, but still cheap 
>>> insurance. I like the idea of doing it during a filter change.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 9, 2024, at 3:42 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I usually do it anytime I do a CP. might be overkill but usually do it 
>>>> when doing a filter change also.  OE yes. The cheap ones never seem to 
>>>> work right.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jul 9, 2024, at 5:39 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I’ve heard similar stories, good to know. Do you still replace the 
>>>>> connector anyway using an OE part? I would if they’re still cheap. Or 
>>>>> only if it’s been soaked in ATF?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I’ve done the connector, which isn’t hard, but you really have to be 
>>>>> careful not to overtighten it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -D
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jul 9, 2024, at 3:35 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I’m the meantime I have replaced many of them, 2 just in the last month. 
>>>>>>  Once little secret I will give. Don’t buy the $200 dealer part, as far 
>>>>>> as I can tell and have researched the $60 kit all over eBay is the exact 
>>>>>> same part. I have used many of these and never had a problem. I don’t 
>>>>>> use the filter, connector plug etc that comes in the kit though.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Jul 9, 2024, at 5:26 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I’ve been corresponding with AZBob on this, although I have little to 
>>>>>>> no experience with swapping out conductor plates, I gave him the 
>>>>>>> lowdown on what to expect when he scans the car for the first time. A 
>>>>>>> lot of cruft, most likely, which after running a report to capture 
>>>>>>> everything he should clear all codes, then drive the car for a few days 
>>>>>>> at least if it doesn’t goof up. At that point call it an anomaly, 
>>>>>>> hitting the shifter to the “manual” side, or heat, who knows? Or, if 
>>>>>>> things really are going south or potentially borked, the scan he’ll do 
>>>>>>> in a few days after clearing out the cruft will reveal what’s going on 
>>>>>>> in the present.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I’m no proponent of cheap Chinesium scanners, but for the $150 or so 
>>>>>>> that one costs, the amount of information you can get from it even if 
>>>>>>> you’re not planning on doing the work yourself, is invaluable. I 
>>>>>>> especially like the one I recommended to AZBob, as it has a built-in 
>>>>>>> feature that allows you to email a copy of the scan results with codes 
>

Re: [MBZ] Limp Mode

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Yes. It was actually Amazon. But yes throw away the filter. You could probably 
get away with their pan gasket and maybe even the connector. 

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> On Jul 9, 2024, at 6:59 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> So what I’m reading is:
> 
> ebay CP
> OE connector
> OE filter
> and then…
> pan gasket
> plug gasket
> fluid
> 
> AZBob
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 9, 2024, at 3:46 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Gotcha. I wondered, since the connector is the first line of defense when 
>> it comes to ATF wicking up the harness. They used to be pretty cheap atthe 
>> stealership, like $10-$12. I’m sure they’re more now, but still cheap 
>> insurance. I like the idea of doing it during a filter change.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>>> On Jul 9, 2024, at 3:42 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I usually do it anytime I do a CP. might be overkill but usually do it when 
>>> doing a filter change also.  OE yes. The cheap ones never seem to work 
>>> right.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 9, 2024, at 5:39 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I’ve heard similar stories, good to know. Do you still replace the 
>>>> connector anyway using an OE part? I would if they’re still cheap. Or only 
>>>> if it’s been soaked in ATF?
>>>> 
>>>> I’ve done the connector, which isn’t hard, but you really have to be 
>>>> careful not to overtighten it.
>>>> 
>>>> -D
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 9, 2024, at 3:35 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I’m the meantime I have replaced many of them, 2 just in the last month.  
>>>>> Once little secret I will give. Don’t buy the $200 dealer part, as far as 
>>>>> I can tell and have researched the $60 kit all over eBay is the exact 
>>>>> same part. I have used many of these and never had a problem. I don’t use 
>>>>> the filter, connector plug etc that comes in the kit though.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jul 9, 2024, at 5:26 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I’ve been corresponding with AZBob on this, although I have little to 
>>>>>> no experience with swapping out conductor plates, I gave him the lowdown 
>>>>>> on what to expect when he scans the car for the first time. A lot of 
>>>>>> cruft, most likely, which after running a report to capture everything 
>>>>>> he should clear all codes, then drive the car for a few days at least if 
>>>>>> it doesn’t goof up. At that point call it an anomaly, hitting the 
>>>>>> shifter to the “manual” side, or heat, who knows? Or, if things really 
>>>>>> are going south or potentially borked, the scan he’ll do in a few days 
>>>>>> after clearing out the cruft will reveal what’s going on in the present.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I’m no proponent of cheap Chinesium scanners, but for the $150 or so 
>>>>>> that one costs, the amount of information you can get from it even if 
>>>>>> you’re not planning on doing the work yourself, is invaluable. I 
>>>>>> especially like the one I recommended to AZBob, as it has a built-in 
>>>>>> feature that allows you to email a copy of the scan results with codes 
>>>>>> and links to OBDII resources if it’s an OBDII code. I know Floyd had one 
>>>>>> that borked, but mine has held up just fine with limited use.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -D
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jul 9, 2024, at 2:23 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> This suggests a failing CP given it might be temperature related. But 
>>>>>>> check the cable and connectors first before doing anything else.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> --FT
>>>>>>> Sent from iFōn
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Jul 9, 2024, at 1:42 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>

Re: [MBZ] Limp Mode

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I usually do it anytime I do a CP. might be overkill but usually do it when 
doing a filter change also.  OE yes. The cheap ones never seem to work right. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 9, 2024, at 5:39 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I’ve heard similar stories, good to know. Do you still replace the connector 
> anyway using an OE part? I would if they’re still cheap. Or only if it’s been 
> soaked in ATF?
> 
> I’ve done the connector, which isn’t hard, but you really have to be careful 
> not to overtighten it.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jul 9, 2024, at 3:35 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I’m the meantime I have replaced many of them, 2 just in the last month.  
>> Once little secret I will give. Don’t buy the $200 dealer part, as far as I 
>> can tell and have researched the $60 kit all over eBay is the exact same 
>> part. I have used many of these and never had a problem. I don’t use the 
>> filter, connector plug etc that comes in the kit though.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Jul 9, 2024, at 5:26 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’ve been corresponding with AZBob on this, although I have little to no 
>>> experience with swapping out conductor plates, I gave him the lowdown on 
>>> what to expect when he scans the car for the first time. A lot of cruft, 
>>> most likely, which after running a report to capture everything he should 
>>> clear all codes, then drive the car for a few days at least if it doesn’t 
>>> goof up. At that point call it an anomaly, hitting the shifter to the 
>>> “manual” side, or heat, who knows? Or, if things really are going south or 
>>> potentially borked, the scan he’ll do in a few days after clearing out the 
>>> cruft will reveal what’s going on in the present.
>>> 
>>> I’m no proponent of cheap Chinesium scanners, but for the $150 or so that 
>>> one costs, the amount of information you can get from it even if you’re not 
>>> planning on doing the work yourself, is invaluable. I especially like the 
>>> one I recommended to AZBob, as it has a built-in feature that allows you to 
>>> email a copy of the scan results with codes and links to OBDII resources if 
>>> it’s an OBDII code. I know Floyd had one that borked, but mine has held up 
>>> just fine with limited use.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 9, 2024, at 2:23 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> This suggests a failing CP given it might be temperature related. But 
>>>> check the cable and connectors first before doing anything else.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --FT
>>>> Sent from iFōn
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jul 9, 2024, at 1:42 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm waiting on the scanner to arrive so I can validate the diagnosis 
>>>>> before I order parts.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Or, order parts now and just do it because it will likely kack in the 
>>>>> future?
>>>>> 
>>>>> AZBob
>>>>> 
>>>>> From: Mercedes  on behalf of Buggered 
>>>>> Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 9, 2024 4:55 AM
>>>>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>>>>> Cc: Buggered Benzmail 
>>>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Limp Mode
>>>>> 
>>>>> Scan it and see if you have solenoid codes.  Any codes would suggest 
>>>>> inability for TCM to talk to the conductor plate (I’m assuming 163?). The 
>>>>> TCM is under the steering wheel a bit to the left, you can pop off the 
>>>>> connector and see if there is any fluid that has wicked up. If not check 
>>>>> the connector at the transmission for fluid inside it. If those are dry 
>>>>> it’s likely CP time which on a 722.6 is not expensive but a bit of a 
>>>>> bother to swap (not as much as 722.9). Figure $200-250 for new CP and 
>>>>> fluid and filter (which you should do anyway if it’s been awhile).  
>>>>> Plenty of utubers on how to do the job. Valvoline Maxlife is a fluid you 
>>>>> can use.
>>>>> 
>>>>> —FT
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jul 9, 2024, at 1:43 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>>>>&g

Re: [MBZ] Limp Mode

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I’m the meantime I have replaced many of them, 2 just in the last month.  Once 
little secret I will give. Don’t buy the $200 dealer part, as far as I can tell 
and have researched the $60 kit all over eBay is the exact same part. I have 
used many of these and never had a problem. I don’t use the filter, connector 
plug etc that comes in the kit though.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 9, 2024, at 5:26 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I’ve been corresponding with AZBob on this, although I have little to no 
> experience with swapping out conductor plates, I gave him the lowdown on what 
> to expect when he scans the car for the first time. A lot of cruft, most 
> likely, which after running a report to capture everything he should clear 
> all codes, then drive the car for a few days at least if it doesn’t goof up. 
> At that point call it an anomaly, hitting the shifter to the “manual” side, 
> or heat, who knows? Or, if things really are going south or potentially 
> borked, the scan he’ll do in a few days after clearing out the cruft will 
> reveal what’s going on in the present.
> 
> I’m no proponent of cheap Chinesium scanners, but for the $150 or so that one 
> costs, the amount of information you can get from it even if you’re not 
> planning on doing the work yourself, is invaluable. I especially like the one 
> I recommended to AZBob, as it has a built-in feature that allows you to email 
> a copy of the scan results with codes and links to OBDII resources if it’s an 
> OBDII code. I know Floyd had one that borked, but mine has held up just fine 
> with limited use.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jul 9, 2024, at 2:23 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> This suggests a failing CP given it might be temperature related. But check 
>> the cable and connectors first before doing anything else.
>> 
>> 
>> --FT
>> Sent from iFōn
>> 
 On Jul 9, 2024, at 1:42 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm waiting on the scanner to arrive so I can validate the diagnosis 
>>> before I order parts.
>>> 
>>> Or, order parts now and just do it because it will likely kack in the 
>>> future?
>>> 
>>> AZBob
>>> 
>>> From: Mercedes  on behalf of Buggered 
>>> Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 9, 2024 4:55 AM
>>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>>> Cc: Buggered Benzmail 
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Limp Mode
>>> 
>>> Scan it and see if you have solenoid codes.  Any codes would suggest 
>>> inability for TCM to talk to the conductor plate (I’m assuming 163?). The 
>>> TCM is under the steering wheel a bit to the left, you can pop off the 
>>> connector and see if there is any fluid that has wicked up. If not check 
>>> the connector at the transmission for fluid inside it. If those are dry 
>>> it’s likely CP time which on a 722.6 is not expensive but a bit of a bother 
>>> to swap (not as much as 722.9). Figure $200-250 for new CP and fluid and 
>>> filter (which you should do anyway if it’s been awhile).  Plenty of utubers 
>>> on how to do the job. Valvoline Maxlife is a fluid you can use.
>>> 
>>> —FT
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
 On Jul 9, 2024, at 1:43 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 After going to the Diamondbacks game to watch another crushing defeat, I 
 got in the ML and started driving home and it wouldn’t shift out of what 
 felt like second gear. I initially noticed it was very sluggish taking off 
 (like it was taking off in second). I’m guessing that’s limp mode. No 
 nasty lights on the dash.
 Drove home taking surface streets.  Ugh.
 
 Now what?
 
 AZBob
 
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Re: [MBZ] Limp Mode

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

You will need to scan it with SDS, but most likely it is conductor plate time. 

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> On Jul 9, 2024, at 12:43 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> After going to the Diamondbacks game to watch another crushing defeat, I got 
> in the ML and started driving home and it wouldn’t shift out of what felt 
> like second gear. I initially noticed it was very sluggish taking off (like 
> it was taking off in second). I’m guessing that’s limp mode. No nasty lights 
> on the dash.  
> Drove home taking surface streets.  Ugh.
> 
> Now what?
> 
> AZBob
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Again, With the Torbo

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

These coupes seem to be big money these days.  With the lowish miles and 
if it is in good condition, $10k might not be too crazy of a price 
especially since it is a 85. I would prefer $8k, but in reality my goal 
would be $4k.


On 7/8/2024 4:10 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:

Here is what the seller replied when I asked all the requisite questions:

“I have no information other than this. John, who died, bought the car 
for $17,000 just before he died. It was delivered to the house parked 
for at least 2 1/2 years but was started on occasion.  As far as I 
know, John never got to drive it.

 I have driven the car from the back yard to the front yard. “

Interesting….

AZBob

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On Jul 8, 2024, at 1:44 PM, Bob Rentfro  wrote:


I can't shake this one from my brain. I  might go give it a look with 
money in my pocket but it's so hard to get motivated to do anything 
outdoors (114 at this present moment, on its way to 118).


Someone said $5K would be reasonable? I'm not sure how quickly a 
vehicle unloads in an estate sale. What are coupe red flags?


I also noticed, this second time looking at it, that there seems to 
be grease oozing from the driver's front hub. Big deal? Can't say 
I've ever seen that before.


Never had a coupe. But I certainly don't want to latch on to 
something that is going to be more of a headache than having a 45 
year old car already is.


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Re: [MBZ] On Kleb's XMas wish list

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Yea

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> On Jul 5, 2024, at 2:04 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> That would certainly help in keeping The Acres tidy.
> 
> AZBob
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 5, 2024, at 11:06 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1989-freightliner-unimog-flu419-4/?
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Re: [MBZ] Dan...Want Seed for an OkieAcres - NoAZ Location?

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Geez

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> On Jul 5, 2024, at 12:07 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Cheap at twice the price:
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/share/uRZJJ1GeRf2V2qnh/
> 
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Re: [MBZ] huh. OOOOO KKKKK -- I'm sick and tired of window shoppers playing around in my inbox.

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Oh my, I laughed so hard

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> On Jul 4, 2024, at 4:09 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> There is so much wrong here I don't know where to start
> 
> 
> 2000 Mercedes-Benz clk-class CLK 430 Cabriolet 2D
> 
> $1,000
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1238540404186239
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Re: [MBZ] Kleb needs this -- Boeing 727 Cockpit through First Class Section

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Yea. It’s too bad the 727 is not still used.

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> On Jul 4, 2024, at 12:25 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> At last international count there are zero 727's in fleet service hauling
> passengers. The remaining few in use are shown as cargo, or "special use"
> [whatever that may be].
> So, the market for 727 qualified maintenance techs is pretty dry.
> I have an aviation friend that built a large new hanger-dominium when he
> retired and he mounted the front section of a DC6 [everything forward of
> the wing main spar] sticking out the front of his "aviation palace" that he
> uses as a bar, so you can sit in the captain's seat and fly no matter how
> drunk you get, since it is about 25 ft in the air.
> [It's his nickel, he can spend it any way he wants to.. ;)) ]
> 
>> On Thu, Jul 4, 2024 at 10:11 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Looks like something that would be a Spartan. Yep, that’s where it is. I
>> guess they don’t train on the 27 anymore.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 4, 2024, at 12:08 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Q: Is the stand included in the Sale or just the Cock pit
>>> 
>>> A: Yes
>>> 
>>>> On Thu, Jul 4, 2024, at 12:02, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
>>>> and it's local
>>>> 
>>>> https://www.govdeals.com/asset/21/24030
>>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Kleb needs this -- Boeing 727 Cockpit through First Class Section

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Looks like something that would be a Spartan. Yep, that’s where it is. I guess 
they don’t train on the 27 anymore. 

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> Q: Is the stand included in the Sale or just the Cock pit
> 
> A: Yes
> 
>> On Thu, Jul 4, 2024, at 12:02, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
>> and it's local
>> 
>> https://www.govdeals.com/asset/21/24030
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Re: [MBZ] Geez

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I agree Sent from my iPhoneOn Jul 3, 2024, at 6:52 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:Alloy wheels on this car is an abomination.On Wed, Jul 3, 2024 at 7:50 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:The 115 has the black plastic wheel with the chrome center ring and small center horn pad. I’m not sure how I feel about them, I prefer the 74 and up wheel. 

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> On Jul 3, 2024, at 6:42 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> Agreed. The off-white Bakelite steering wheel that was on the W110/111/112 models was a thing of beauty. I don’t recall the same on the W114/115, but there could very well have been the same on early models, I guess? I am pretty sure my 250C had a Bakelite wheel (1970) but it was black.
> 
> Hmmm.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jul 3, 2024, at 3:23 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> But there has always been something about the later steering wheel with the W115 dash that hasn’t sat well with me.
>> 
>> AZBob
>> 
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>>>> On Jul 3, 2024, at 3:01 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> They no what they got.
>>> 
>>> That said, it is a nice looking car. I think $8k, may $8.5k would be more in line, but I haven’t followed prices on these of late and the low miles make it a true Dean candidate.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Geez

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The 115 has the black plastic wheel with the chrome center ring and small 
center horn pad. I’m not sure how I feel about them, I prefer the 74 and up 
wheel. 

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> On Jul 3, 2024, at 6:42 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Agreed. The off-white Bakelite steering wheel that was on the W110/111/112 
> models was a thing of beauty. I don’t recall the same on the W114/115, but 
> there could very well have been the same on early models, I guess? I am 
> pretty sure my 250C had a Bakelite wheel (1970) but it was black.
> 
> Hmmm.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jul 3, 2024, at 3:23 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> But there has always been something about the later steering wheel with the 
>> W115 dash that hasn’t sat well with me.
>> 
>> AZBob
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>> On Jul 3, 2024, at 3:01 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> They no what they got.
>>> 
>>> That said, it is a nice looking car. I think $8k, may $8.5k would be more 
>>> in line, but I haven’t followed prices on these of late and the low miles 
>>> make it a true Dean candidate.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Geez

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Yep

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> On Jul 3, 2024, at 4:50 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
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> What’s that, about two hours away?
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>> On Jul 3, 2024, at 2:46 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Well. That appears to be a hell of a nice car but overpriced IMO. Maybe 
>> not. I might actually be interested at $8k or so. Or it could be a polished 
>> turd.
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>>>> On Jul 3, 2024, at 4:44 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>>>  wrote:
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>>> Yikes. I want aware that Arkansas was a hotbed of vintage, pricey , German 
>>> Iron.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Geez

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Well. That appears to be a hell of a nice car but overpriced IMO. Maybe not. I 
might actually be interested at $8k or so. Or it could be a polished turd. 

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> Yikes. I want aware that Arkansas was a hotbed of vintage, pricey , German 
> Iron.
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[MBZ] Geez

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Re: [MBZ] O.T. Rusty

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Yes, I get one from him every now and then.  Just got one as well.

On 7/1/2024 11:23 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:

Rusty just sent me a friend request on FB.
Where ever he is must have good wifi.

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[MBZ] 98 M112 cylinder 6 not firing

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Got this 98 ready for kid to drive. Did conductor plate, new tires, new water 
pump. It was running fine. I drove it a couple of miles and all was well. He 
started driving it to work and reported it running weird. Car had been sitting 
for a couple of years so I figured fuel filter. Check engine light on for 
cylinder 6 misfire. Deactivated cylinders in HHT and yes it’s 6 not firing at 
all. Pulling the connector on the coil no difference. I pulled a coil off a 
different car and no change. Pulled plug wire while car running and have spark. 
I then pulled the plugs and they look really had with hardly any electrode 
left. For testing I pulled 2 plugs out of a different car which looked a lot 
better, gapped them and no change. Still 6 is not firing at all. I ran it a few 
minutes and pulled one of the #6 plugs out and it does not appear wet, which 
tells me there is a fuel problem there. Before I pull the entire fuel rail, 
anyone ever heard of m112/113 injectors going bad?

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Re: [MBZ] This is nice

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Or I could buy that and dump some projects 

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> I don’t know who you are, but send Kleb back!!!
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> -D
> 
>> On Jun 29, 2024, at 4:41 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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>> I would like to, but I really need to get some cars sold before I buy more.
>> 
>>> On 6/29/2024 6:31 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
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>>> driver.
>>> 
>>> AZBob
>>> 
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>>>> On Jun 29, 2024, at 4:23 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> And hardly broke in!
>>>> 
>>>> -D
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 29, 2024, at 4:19 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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Re: [MBZ] This is nice

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I would like to, but I really need to get some cars sold before I buy more.

On 6/29/2024 6:31 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:

Maybe you oughta scoot over to Mustang and pick that up. That’d be a nice 
driver.

AZBob

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And hardly broke in!

-D


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[MBZ] Maybe somebody needs this

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[MBZ] Diesel Cadillacs

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[MBZ] The Real Reason Why Music Is Getting Worse

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I found this interesting

https://youtu.be/1bZ0OSEViyo?si=ck8xVYSxW6wvuIRG

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Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Turbo ABS light rough idle

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You can check the fuse but it’s not likely blown. 

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> So I should replace the fuse on top? The problem still comes and goes but 
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>> On Jun 26, 2024, at 7:46 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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>> No just a regular fuse
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>> On Jun 26, 2024, at 6:42 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>>>  wrote:
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>>> Was that a strip fuse, Kleb? I can’t recall.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 26, 2024, at 3:50 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Behind the battery, red cover with a fuse on top. Not related to voltage 
>>>> regulator.
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>>>>> On Jun 26, 2024, at 5:44 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Where is this relay? Is it related to voltage regulator?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>>>> On Jun 26, 2024, at 6:30 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It is the over voltage relay, or the contacts in the relay socket are 
>>>>>> dirty
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>>>>>>> For the past year or so the ABS light comes on periodically and when 
>>>>>>> that happens the car starts idling rough and slow, the tachometer stops 
>>>>>>> working and the A/C stops blowing cold air. The problem always corrects 
>>>>>>> itself within a few minutes or less but now it is persistent and it’s 
>>>>>>> very annoying. Does anyone know what could be the cause?
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Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Turbo ABS light rough idle

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No just a regular fuse 

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> Was that a strip fuse, Kleb? I can’t recall.
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> -D
> 
>> On Jun 26, 2024, at 3:50 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
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>> Behind the battery, red cover with a fuse on top. Not related to voltage 
>> regulator.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>> On Jun 26, 2024, at 5:44 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Where is this relay? Is it related to voltage regulator?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>> On Jun 26, 2024, at 6:30 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> It is the over voltage relay, or the contacts in the relay socket are 
>>>> dirty
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>>> 
>>>>> For the past year or so the ABS light comes on periodically and when 
>>>>> that happens the car starts idling rough and slow, the tachometer stops 
>>>>> working and the A/C stops blowing cold air. The problem always corrects 
>>>>> itself within a few minutes or less but now it is persistent and it’s 
>>>>> very annoying. Does anyone know what could be the cause?
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Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Turbo ABS light rough idle

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Behind the battery, red cover with a fuse on top. Not related to voltage 
regulator.


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> Where is this relay? Is it related to voltage regulator?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jun 26, 2024, at 6:30 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> It is the over voltage relay, or the contacts in the relay socket are dirty
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Jun 26, 2024, at 5:29 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> For the past year or so the ABS light comes on periodically and when that 
>>> happens the car starts idling rough and slow, the tachometer stops working 
>>> and the A/C stops blowing cold air. The problem always corrects itself 
>>> within a few minutes or less but now it is persistent and it’s very 
>>> annoying. Does anyone know what could be the cause?
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Turbo ABS light rough idle

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It is the over voltage relay, or the contacts in the relay socket are dirty 
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> On Jun 26, 2024, at 5:29 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
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> 
> For the past year or so the ABS light comes on periodically and when that 
> happens the car starts idling rough and slow, the tachometer stops working 
> and the A/C stops blowing cold air. The problem always corrects itself within 
> a few minutes or less but now it is persistent and it’s very annoying. Does 
> anyone know what could be the cause?
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Re: [MBZ] This is Sort of Cool

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Ok. Say what? MMM having his foot amputated? Hopefully he will get a peg leg 
and an eye patch. No seriously I so sorry to hear that. That would have to 
suck.  


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> 
> On Tue, 25 Jun 2024 10:45:49 -0500 "M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes"
>  wrote:
> 
>> I do have some G scale Old West cars and loco (blown gears, not worth
>> fixing) awaiting his artistic touch, This will have to wait until I get
>> my amputated foot situation under control and out of rehab centers... :)
> 
> As Bob Rentfro said, "Wait ….'amputated foot situation' …. that is a life
> changing occurrence.  Are you doing well?"
> 
> It is indeed a life-changing occurrence!
> 
> How are you doing?
> 
> Is there anything we can do to help?
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Re: [MBZ] Don't See These Every day

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Except in this case the ad says it was reupholstered in AZ. I’m not sure if 
that is factory correct or not. 

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> On Jun 23, 2024, at 3:20 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Say what you like, but having owned several Euro-spec models with the velour 
> upholstery, it’s quite comfortable and wears well, too. Look at the condition 
> of that fabric and think about what the equivalent would be condition-wise 
> with leather. I was skeptical about it as well with the first car I owned 
> that had it, and suprised and impressed after I had experienced it for a 
> while.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jun 23, 2024, at 12:45 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Has the oogy velour interior; probably saturated with stale European
>> tobacco smoke.
>> 
>>> On Sun, Jun 23, 2024 at 11:50 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> "Last driven in 1993"  Looks like a barn find?
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> 
>>> On 6/23/24 11:39 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
 Git your wallet out, boys...
 https://www.facebook.com/share/pEwG8mdi87pY331m/
 
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Re: [MBZ] Don't See These Every day

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Pretty sure that’s a horrible aftermarket reupholster job.

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> https://www.facebook.com/share/pEwG8mdi87pY331m/
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Re: [MBZ] Now Wait a Minute

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I don’t think the seller knows what they are talking about. There is no way it 
has any warranty, factory or otherwise. 

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> On Jun 23, 2024, at 10:37 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Why do you suppose this has "a new factory warranty from Mercedes Benz 
> covering ten years and 120,000 miles on most critical parts"?
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/share/szNYPM1WxzeQMT9m/
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Re: [MBZ] MB parts cyber attack

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It’s tens of millions, but they are not saying how many tens

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> On Jun 21, 2024, at 8:48 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 21 Jun 2024 20:43:39 -0500 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> Supposedly the hackers have demanded millions of dollars to release
>> their data. Somebody really screwed up and heads will roll.
> 
> And even if they pay the demand, there is no guarantee their data will be
> recovered ...
> 
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Re: [MBZ] MB parts cyber attack

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Supposedly the hackers have demanded millions of dollars to release their data. 
Somebody really screwed up and heads will roll.

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> On Jun 21, 2024, at 8:42 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 20 Jun 2024 23:12:49 -0600 Craig via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>>> On Thu, 20 Jun 2024 21:58:31 -0400 Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Reading between the lines that doesn’t sound too convincing
>> 
>> I have had dealings with the dealer, but not recently and don't
>> expect to in the near future.
> 
> More lines came in the email today:
> 
>Remaining Vigilant of Impersonation Scams
> 
>To all Inland customers,
> 
>We've recently been made aware of bad actors trying to exploit the
>current situation with CDK. For example, our dealerships have received
>calls from individuals pretending to be from CDK and seeking system
>access.
> 
>We want to remind you of the importance of verifying any changes or
>requests for information related to our business.
> 
>If you receive any unusual communication or change request from us,
>please confirm its validity directly with your usual Inland AR
>Representative or Sales Representative through our existing
>communication channels.
> 
>For more information on how to protect yourself from phishing scams,
>please refer to this Microsoft article:
> 
> https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/protect-yourself-from-phishing-0c7ea947-ba98-3bd9-7184-430e1f860a44
> 
>Sincerely,
> 
>The Inland Team
> 
>--
> 
>CDK Outage Recap
> 
>This week, we experienced a temporary disruption in our services due
>to a cybersecurity incident affecting our primary business system,
>CDK. This incident has impacted CDK’s customers across North America.
> 
>Despite this disruption, we remain _fully operational_ and have
>implemented our business continuity response plans to ensure your
>needs are met. Please note that it may take a bit longer to complete
>each transaction during this period.
> 
>There is currently no estimated time for resolution, but rest assured,
>the continuity of our service remains our top priority.
> 
>We appreciate your understanding and patience, and we will continue
>to keep you informed of any updates.
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Re: [MBZ] BAT Bashing

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Yes I think that is an accurate statement.

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> On Jun 21, 2024, at 5:23 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 21 Jun 2024 13:58:43 -0500 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> Well it has been discussed many times. Couldn’t tell you specifics
>> beyond people seem to pay way beyond reasonable prices for cars there.
>> It seems like a crack fueled bidding frenzy.
> 
> I recall a comment referring to Pierre Hedary saying vehicles there
> looked nice but have a lot of deferred maintenance.
> 
> The 300SD I bought there certainly fits that description and deceptive
> advertising with 121 pictures, but none of the rear axle and the
> half-shafts with split boots.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] BAT Bashing

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Well it has been discussed many times. Couldn’t tell you specifics beyond 
people seem to pay way beyond reasonable prices for cars there. It seems like a 
crack fueled bidding frenzy.


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> 
> I thought someone recently relayed comments critical about vehicles
> posted on Bring A Trailer, but I cannot find the email, even with
> searching in the archives.
> 
> Am I remembering correctly?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Somebody needs this

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Yes

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> On Jun 20, 2024, at 9:50 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I should at least go look at it
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
> 
>> On Jun 20, 2024, at 10:41 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes CD
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Jun 20, 2024, at 9:20 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Is that the CD?  I’ve never seen that car and don’t know the guy
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> Sent from iFōn
>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 20, 2024, at 8:23 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Somebody needs this

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Yes CD

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> On Jun 20, 2024, at 9:20 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Is that the CD?  I’ve never seen that car and don’t know the guy
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
> 
>> On Jun 20, 2024, at 8:23 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
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[MBZ] Somebody needs this

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https://www.facebook.com/share/p/yx9yjsBcpZVzMTLv/?mibextid=79PoIi

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Re: [MBZ] MB parts cyber attack

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Heck this was even a news story on the local news, interviewing dealers in the 
area. It’s a big deal for sure but these dealers can do a car deal the old 
fashioned way. Problem is many of the sales people and managers now days have 
no idea how to do it with all the software they are used to using. 

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> On Jun 20, 2024, at 5:12 PM, Kaleb Striplin  wrote:
> 
> Or for sure.  Looking back in the past it’s how crazy how non secured data 
> used to be in auto industry with every vendor under the sun having full 
> access to dealers data with no security protocols at all.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 20, 2024, at 4:54 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I wasn’t suggesting you say anything negative, just that if you’re going to 
>> try and flip someone based on their existing supplier’s weaknesses, you 
>> better have something better to offer.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>>> On Jun 20, 2024, at 2:49 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well in this business I would never bad mouth a competitor because the same 
>>> thing could happen to us. We have had our fair share of issues with system 
>>> outages lasting entire days, or outages lasting anywhere from a few minutes 
>>> to a few hours back to back days. Bit fun at all when dealers are trying to 
>>> work leads or desk a deal.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 20, 2024, at 4:46 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Exactly. But - you better have a good case to make for yourselves as far 
>>>> as cyber security goes if you’re going to use this as an opportunity to 
>>>> recruit new customers. “We’re more secure because…"
>>>> 
>>>> -D
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 20, 2024, at 2:43 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> We just got off a call with the entire Vehicle Solutions division about 
>>>>> this. CDK is a major competitor to us and basically we feel bad for the 
>>>>> customers, and we should not bad mouth them but it can be an opportunity 
>>>>> to tactically sell.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jun 20, 2024, at 2:32 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Yeah that article said it was a ransomware attack that could likely 
>>>>>> spread to other connected devices as well -- computers, phones, etc. 
>>>>>> that are used to access the system.  And it said some devices were back 
>>>>>> up and running but I doubt if that does much good if the main database 
>>>>>> has been corrupted (backups too).
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> One hot mess fo sho
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --FT
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 6/20/24 3:22 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>>>>>>> I’m guessing ransomware and someone got their clock cleaned. The “tell” 
>>>>>>> here in my opinion is that they shut down their hot sites (data 
>>>>>>> centers) and went completely offline. That and having the open VPN is 
>>>>>>> troubling, but not difficult to secure fairly well. It’s really more of 
>>>>>>> a threat for the customers, who might not have as thorough 
>>>>>>> cybersecurity controls in place. If I was one of their customers I 
>>>>>>> would be bringing someone in to assess my security posture NOW.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -D
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 20, 2024, at 11:35 AM, Kaleb Striplin via 
>>>>>>>>> Mercedes  wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Ford also does this.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 20, 2024, at 1:17 PM, Allan Streib  wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Now consider that Tesla can push software updates to your car 
>>>>>>>>> without your knowledge or approval. Probably other automakers also 
>>>>>>>>> have or are working on this capability. So when their internal 
>>>>

Re: [MBZ] MB parts cyber attack

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Or for sure.  Looking back in the past it’s how crazy how non secured data used 
to be in auto industry with every vendor under the sun having full access to 
dealers data with no security protocols at all. 

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> On Jun 20, 2024, at 4:54 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I wasn’t suggesting you say anything negative, just that if you’re going to 
> try and flip someone based on their existing supplier’s weaknesses, you 
> better have something better to offer.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jun 20, 2024, at 2:49 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Well in this business I would never bad mouth a competitor because the same 
>> thing could happen to us. We have had our fair share of issues with system 
>> outages lasting entire days, or outages lasting anywhere from a few minutes 
>> to a few hours back to back days. Bit fun at all when dealers are trying to 
>> work leads or desk a deal.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Jun 20, 2024, at 4:46 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Exactly. But - you better have a good case to make for yourselves as far 
>>> as cyber security goes if you’re going to use this as an opportunity to 
>>> recruit new customers. “We’re more secure because…"
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 20, 2024, at 2:43 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> We just got off a call with the entire Vehicle Solutions division about 
>>>> this. CDK is a major competitor to us and basically we feel bad for the 
>>>> customers, and we should not bad mouth them but it can be an opportunity 
>>>> to tactically sell.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 20, 2024, at 2:32 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yeah that article said it was a ransomware attack that could likely 
>>>>> spread to other connected devices as well -- computers, phones, etc. that 
>>>>> are used to access the system.  And it said some devices were back up and 
>>>>> running but I doubt if that does much good if the main database has been 
>>>>> corrupted (backups too).
>>>>> 
>>>>> One hot mess fo sho
>>>>> 
>>>>> --FT
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 6/20/24 3:22 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>>>>>> I’m guessing ransomware and someone got their clock cleaned. The “tell” 
>>>>>> here in my opinion is that they shut down their hot sites (data centers) 
>>>>>> and went completely offline. That and having the open VPN is troubling, 
>>>>>> but not difficult to secure fairly well. It’s really more of a threat 
>>>>>> for the customers, who might not have as thorough cybersecurity controls 
>>>>>> in place. If I was one of their customers I would be bringing someone in 
>>>>>> to assess my security posture NOW.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -D
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Jun 20, 2024, at 11:35 AM, Kaleb Striplin via 
>>>>>>>> Mercedes  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Ford also does this.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Jun 20, 2024, at 1:17 PM, Allan Streib  wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Now consider that Tesla can push software updates to your car without 
>>>>>>>> your knowledge or approval. Probably other automakers also have or are 
>>>>>>>> working on this capability. So when their internal network gets 
>>>>>>>> compromised, potentially everybody's car can then be bricked.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 20, 2024, at 14:10, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>>>>>>>>> CDK global is completely down which includes DMS (accounting, parts,
>>>>>>>>> service, sales), eleads CRM etc. it’s really bad.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 20, 2024, at 12:11 PM, Buggered Benzmail via 
>>>>>>>>>>> Mercedes  wrote:
>>>>>>>>

Re: [MBZ] MB parts cyber attack

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Well in this business I would never bad mouth a competitor because the same 
thing could happen to us. We have had our fair share of issues with system 
outages lasting entire days, or outages lasting anywhere from a few minutes to 
a few hours back to back days. Bit fun at all when dealers are trying to work 
leads or desk a deal. 

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> On Jun 20, 2024, at 4:46 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Exactly. But - you better have a good case to make for yourselves as far as 
> cyber security goes if you’re going to use this as an opportunity to recruit 
> new customers. “We’re more secure because…"
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jun 20, 2024, at 2:43 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> We just got off a call with the entire Vehicle Solutions division about 
>> this. CDK is a major competitor to us and basically we feel bad for the 
>> customers, and we should not bad mouth them but it can be an opportunity to 
>> tactically sell.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Jun 20, 2024, at 2:32 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yeah that article said it was a ransomware attack that could likely spread 
>>> to other connected devices as well -- computers, phones, etc. that are used 
>>> to access the system.  And it said some devices were back up and running 
>>> but I doubt if that does much good if the main database has been corrupted 
>>> (backups too).
>>> 
>>> One hot mess fo sho
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> 
>>>> On 6/20/24 3:22 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>>>> I’m guessing ransomware and someone got their clock cleaned. The “tell” 
>>>> here in my opinion is that they shut down their hot sites (data centers) 
>>>> and went completely offline. That and having the open VPN is troubling, 
>>>> but not difficult to secure fairly well. It’s really more of a threat for 
>>>> the customers, who might not have as thorough cybersecurity controls in 
>>>> place. If I was one of their customers I would be bringing someone in to 
>>>> assess my security posture NOW.
>>>> 
>>>> -D
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 20, 2024, at 11:35 AM, Kaleb Striplin via 
>>>>>> Mercedes  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ford also does this.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 20, 2024, at 1:17 PM, Allan Streib  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Now consider that Tesla can push software updates to your car without 
>>>>>> your knowledge or approval. Probably other automakers also have or are 
>>>>>> working on this capability. So when their internal network gets 
>>>>>> compromised, potentially everybody's car can then be bricked.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 20, 2024, at 14:10, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>>>>>>> CDK global is completely down which includes DMS (accounting, parts,
>>>>>>> service, sales), eleads CRM etc. it’s really bad.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 20, 2024, at 12:11 PM, Buggered Benzmail via 
>>>>>>>>> Mercedes  wrote:
>>>>>>>> I wanted to get an axle seal that I should have ordered before but 
>>>>>>>> didn’t so I called the local stealer yesterday and just now. Their 
>>>>>>>> parts computer is down apparently due to some kind of targeted hack on 
>>>>>>>> the company that provides the servers or something. Appears maybe yo 
>>>>>>>> just be this stealer as yesterday he was able to tell me they had a 
>>>>>>>> bunch in JAX.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> So no inventory lookups or pricing, can’t go over and get bent over. 
>>>>>>>> Part isn’t very expensive so I guess I wouldn’t get reamed too bad but 
>>>>>>>> can’t get one anyway so…
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> --FT
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Re: [MBZ] MB parts cyber attack

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

We just got off a call with the entire Vehicle Solutions division about this. 
CDK is a major competitor to us and basically we feel bad for the customers, 
and we should not bad mouth them but it can be an opportunity to tactically 
sell. 

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> On Jun 20, 2024, at 2:32 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yeah that article said it was a ransomware attack that could likely spread 
> to other connected devices as well -- computers, phones, etc. that are used 
> to access the system.  And it said some devices were back up and running but 
> I doubt if that does much good if the main database has been corrupted 
> (backups too).
> 
> One hot mess fo sho
> 
> --FT
> 
>> On 6/20/24 3:22 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> I’m guessing ransomware and someone got their clock cleaned. The “tell” here 
>> in my opinion is that they shut down their hot sites (data centers) and went 
>> completely offline. That and having the open VPN is troubling, but not 
>> difficult to secure fairly well. It’s really more of a threat for the 
>> customers, who might not have as thorough cybersecurity controls in place. 
>> If I was one of their customers I would be bringing someone in to assess my 
>> security posture NOW.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>>> On Jun 20, 2024, at 11:35 AM, Kaleb Striplin via 
>>>> Mercedes  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ford also does this.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 20, 2024, at 1:17 PM, Allan Streib  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Now consider that Tesla can push software updates to your car without 
>>>> your knowledge or approval. Probably other automakers also have or are 
>>>> working on this capability. So when their internal network gets 
>>>> compromised, potentially everybody's car can then be bricked.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Thu, Jun 20, 2024, at 14:10, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>>>>> CDK global is completely down which includes DMS (accounting, parts,
>>>>> service, sales), eleads CRM etc. it’s really bad.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jun 20, 2024, at 12:11 PM, Buggered Benzmail via 
>>>>>>> Mercedes  wrote:
>>>>>> I wanted to get an axle seal that I should have ordered before but 
>>>>>> didn’t so I called the local stealer yesterday and just now. Their parts 
>>>>>> computer is down apparently due to some kind of targeted hack on the 
>>>>>> company that provides the servers or something. Appears maybe yo just be 
>>>>>> this stealer as yesterday he was able to tell me they had a bunch in JAX.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So no inventory lookups or pricing, can’t go over and get bent over. 
>>>>>> Part isn’t very expensive so I guess I wouldn’t get reamed too bad but 
>>>>>> can’t get one anyway so…
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --FT
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Re: [MBZ] MB parts cyber attack

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Ford also does this. 


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> On Jun 20, 2024, at 1:17 PM, Allan Streib  wrote:
> 
> Now consider that Tesla can push software updates to your car without your 
> knowledge or approval. Probably other automakers also have or are working on 
> this capability. So when their internal network gets compromised, potentially 
> everybody's car can then be bricked.
> 
>> On Thu, Jun 20, 2024, at 14:10, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> CDK global is completely down which includes DMS (accounting, parts,
>> service, sales), eleads CRM etc. it’s really bad.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Jun 20, 2024, at 12:11 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I wanted to get an axle seal that I should have ordered before but didn’t 
>>> so I called the local stealer yesterday and just now. Their parts computer 
>>> is down apparently due to some kind of targeted hack on the company that 
>>> provides the servers or something. Appears maybe yo just be this stealer as 
>>> yesterday he was able to tell me they had a bunch in JAX.
>>> 
>>> So no inventory lookups or pricing, can’t go over and get bent over. Part 
>>> isn’t very expensive so I guess I wouldn’t get reamed too bad but can’t get 
>>> one anyway so…
>>> 
>>> --FT
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Re: [MBZ] MB parts cyber attack

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CDK global is completely down which includes DMS (accounting, parts, service, 
sales), eleads CRM etc. it’s really bad. 

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> On Jun 20, 2024, at 12:11 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I wanted to get an axle seal that I should have ordered before but didn’t so 
> I called the local stealer yesterday and just now. Their parts computer is 
> down apparently due to some kind of targeted hack on the company that 
> provides the servers or something. Appears maybe yo just be this stealer as 
> yesterday he was able to tell me they had a bunch in JAX.
> 
> So no inventory lookups or pricing, can’t go over and get bent over. Part 
> isn’t very expensive so I guess I wouldn’t get reamed too bad but can’t get 
> one anyway so…
> 
> --FT
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[MBZ] 617s suck

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I just worked on a 617 for the first time in probably 10-15 years. The agenda 
was turbo train tube seal, valve adjustment, oil/filter change, hood release 
cable. I finally got the turbo drain tube out after fighting it for 4 hours. 
This is nothing short of a whore of a job. Taking apart a 642 for an oil cooler 
seals job seems easier. I now remember why the 617 sucks to work on. It’s now 
nearly 100 out in the shop and I’m done messing with it.

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Re: [MBZ] The pre 2000 ML to be avoided?

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I’m really trying to be good and sell a bunch of cars before buying more, so I 
would not even offer them $200 for it I don’t think. 

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> On Jun 19, 2024, at 8:25 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Offer $500 and go from there.  Has a hitch so that is worth something. Poos 
> says they have issues but for cheepcheep could be worth messing with
> 
> --FT
> 
>> On 6/19/24 8:02 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> https://www.facebook.com/share/uNWzxHqquA2LwcvM/?mibextid=79PoIi
>> 
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[MBZ] The pre 2000 ML to be avoided?

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

https://www.facebook.com/share/uNWzxHqquA2LwcvM/?mibextid=79PoIi

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Re: [MBZ] I stopped by Saturday to look at this -- Certified Pre-Owned 2020 Mercedes-Benz AMG® GT

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In OK they do not have to charge a doc fee but if they do they have to charge 
everyone. In MO the state mandates the max dealer’s can charge. They just 
raised it $299 to $599 IIRC. I had a lot of dealers raise their default fees in 
desking as soon as they happened. It’s pure padding for the deal basically. 
Sales people do not get paid on it. There are a variety of things the sales 
people don’t get paid on that the dealers make money on such as the hold back 
on new cars as well as whatever the dealer pack which can be different on new 
versus used.  Hold back is basically bonus money paid on each unit from the 
manufacturer. A typical amount is in the $4-800 range. Pack is just a number 
that is added to the cost of each deal that the owner/dealer principal comes up 
with. This could be anywhere from $8-1200 and is basically added to the cost of 
the vehicle subtracted from the gross. This amount goes straight to the owners 
pocket which also lowers the commission the dealer pays the sales person on the 
deal. 

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> On Jun 17, 2024, at 6:17 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> When I looked at the car on their lot I asked why they didn’t just label it 
> “guaranteed profit?” That didn’t elicit a response.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jun 17, 2024, at 3:50 PM, mitch--- via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> In Michigan, and I suspect everywhere, the added fees have to be universal.
>> If they discriminate and only charge the fee to some customers, they can 
>> lose their license, or be forced to refund everybody they collected the now 
>> illegal fee from.
>> They could drop the selling price $750, but they can't take the 'mandatory 
>> fee' off or discount it, otherwise it wouldn't be mandatory.
>> 
>> I suspect the law is pretty much the same thing everywhere.
>> When it was a $75 document fee 30 years ago I thought it was a scam.
>> Now that it's $500+, it's enough to keep me from dealing with them.
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Re: [MBZ] A Mini Q

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Sure, we can designate it a Mini Q.

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> On Jun 14, 2024, at 8:32 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I’d say 1035 to 1300.
> 
> ‘Zona Mini Q ?
> 
> AZBob
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jun 14, 2024, at 6:26 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Well that depends. How long was this meeting in total? Only I determine if 
>> it was a Q or not. That is an official designation.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>> On Jun 14, 2024, at 6:57 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> “Wherever two or more of ye are assembled together…” you call it a Q.
>>> Dan ventured down the hill this morning, destination Sun City, to pick up a 
>>> pinball mo-sheen. We reckoned it would be a perfect time to finally put a 
>>> carcass with the years of e-mails, phone calls, and texts.
>>> I believe we checked all the boxes to be able to call it a Q:
>>> We performed a walk around of each of our MBs (his W164, my W163)
>>> We consumed a regionally correct food (New Mexico Mexican)
>>> We discussed many, many topics and solved less that 2% of the world’s 
>>> issues.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] A Mini Q

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Well that depends. How long was this meeting in total? Only I determine if it 
was a Q or not. That is an official designation.


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> 
> “Wherever two or more of ye are assembled together…” you call it a Q.
> Dan ventured down the hill this morning, destination Sun City, to pick up a 
> pinball mo-sheen. We reckoned it would be a perfect time to finally put a 
> carcass with the years of e-mails, phone calls, and texts.
> I believe we checked all the boxes to be able to call it a Q:
> We performed a walk around of each of our MBs (his W164, my W163)
> We consumed a regionally correct food (New Mexico Mexican)
> We discussed many, many topics and solved less that 2% of the world’s issues.
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Re: [MBZ] Super stock 240D on BAT

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I have that is identical but only has 140k. Perhaps I should sell it.

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> On Jun 14, 2024, at 12:20 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
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> 
> It's a lot for an old, manual, slow diesel, and no AC further limits the 
> appeal in most areas but I agree, if it's in really good shape, no rust, 
> everything works, and you really wanted it that is probably fair.
> 
> You could get a much more practical and more comfortable car for much less, 
> so it's really a car for someone who specifically wants that car.
> 
> Allan
> 
> 
>> On Fri, Jun 14, 2024, at 13:09, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>> $6000 somehow seems fair.
>> 
>> On Fri, Jun 14, 2024 at 7:33 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I like the exterior color, not sure about the black interior.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Odd that with all those pictures there isn't any of the center console...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thursday, June 13, 2024 at 10:10:31 PM EDT, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> My kind of car.
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Jun 13, 2024, at 14:48, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
 Totally unloaded with crank windows and power nothing.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Digest

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Possibly 

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> On Jun 10, 2024, at 10:46 PM, OK DonN via Mercedes  
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> 
> Is that where all of Marshall's wisdom is now?
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Monday, June 10th, 2024 at 10:14 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I’m good with that.
>> 
>> I’m sure they’re being crawled and scraped for information.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>>> On Jun 10, 2024, at 3:52 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> Does anyone use or see value in the digests that are hosted externally? I 
>>> have considered shutting that off which would keep list content more 
>>> private I suppose.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Digest

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I’m sorry, I guess digest is not what I meant, I meant the archives.  Still no 
value?

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> No value for me
> 
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>> Does anyone use or see value in the digests that are hosted externally? I 
>> have considered shutting that off which would keep list content more private 
>> I suppose.
>> 
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