Re: [MBZ] 103 won’t start

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

It smelled gassy, but then again, I am used to working on diesels


On 3/31/2018 8:33 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:

On Sat, 31 Mar 2018 19:45:58 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
 wrote:


Maybe?  Maybe it was dumping gas in and flooding it out?

What does the tailpipe smell like?


Craig



On 3/31/2018 7:45 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:

Cold start valve?

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Re: [MBZ] 103 won’t start

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On Sat, 31 Mar 2018 19:45:58 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
 wrote:

> Maybe?  Maybe it was dumping gas in and flooding it out?

What does the tailpipe smell like?


Craig


> On 3/31/2018 7:45 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
> > Cold start valve?

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Re: [MBZ] 103 won’t start

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

This one probably needs some or all of that I am sure.


On 3/31/2018 8:14 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote:

Couple options here, depending on condition:

Sticking air flow sensor, check to make sure the flap moves freely and there 
isn't anything in it.

Flaky fuel pump (I had to replace both of them on the wagon as they are in 
series).

Leaking plunger seal on the fuel distributor letting the fuel pressure leak 
down -- this can also flood the engine at idle.  Probably need to replace mine.

Bad boot between the fuel meter and the throttle body, they get old, shrink and 
leak air.

Bad idle control valve hoses.

Flooded charcoal  canister or missing or broken vacuum line

Vacuum leaks, various spots.

Failed fuel accumulator letting the fuel pressure bleed down (you need to put a 
pressure gauge on and see if it stays up)

Leaking fuel lines under the car

Dirty fuel filter

Ignition issues, check rotor, cap, and camshaft oil seal.  Oil in the dizzy 
makes for burned contacts.

Probably more, but those are the ones I've had to deal with.
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Re: [MBZ] 103 won’t start

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Couple options here, depending on condition:

Sticking air flow sensor, check to make sure the flap moves freely and there 
isn't anything in it.

Flaky fuel pump (I had to replace both of them on the wagon as they are in 
series).

Leaking plunger seal on the fuel distributor letting the fuel pressure leak 
down -- this can also flood the engine at idle.  Probably need to replace mine.

Bad boot between the fuel meter and the throttle body, they get old, shrink and 
leak air.

Bad idle control valve hoses.

Flooded charcoal  canister or missing or broken vacuum line

Vacuum leaks, various spots.

Failed fuel accumulator letting the fuel pressure bleed down (you need to put a 
pressure gauge on and see if it stays up)

Leaking fuel lines under the car

Dirty fuel filter

Ignition issues, check rotor, cap, and camshaft oil seal.  Oil in the dizzy 
makes for burned contacts.

Probably more, but those are the ones I've had to deal with.
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Re: [MBZ] 103 won’t start

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Maybe?  Maybe it was dumping gas in and flooding it out?


On 3/31/2018 7:45 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:

Cold start valve?

On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 5:06 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Well after letting is sit for a while then cranking on it some more it
finally started again. Once it gets going in runs great and has snappy
throttle response. Not sure what the deal is

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On Mar 31, 2018, at 4:10 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <

mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

they also have to spark at the right time.  I think it was the 013 coil

that seemed to spark, but the car would not run.  With a new coil, it ran
fine.   Mine had a weird flat box kind of coil, not a traditional
cylinder.  Those flat ones fail in weird ways.

Just take an old plug out and put it on a wire.   Or pull the wire from

the coil and lay it 1/2" or so from a ground.  3/8"  then 1/4"

Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
March 31, 2018 at 4:06 PM
I guess I will pull the plugs and see if they are sparking


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Re: [MBZ] 103 won’t start

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Cold start valve?

On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 5:06 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Well after letting is sit for a while then cranking on it some more it
> finally started again. Once it gets going in runs great and has snappy
> throttle response. Not sure what the deal is
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Mar 31, 2018, at 4:10 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > they also have to spark at the right time.  I think it was the 013 coil
> that seemed to spark, but the car would not run.  With a new coil, it ran
> fine.   Mine had a weird flat box kind of coil, not a traditional
> cylinder.  Those flat ones fail in weird ways.
> >
> > Just take an old plug out and put it on a wire.   Or pull the wire from
> the coil and lay it 1/2" or so from a ground.  3/8"  then 1/4"
> >> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
> >> March 31, 2018 at 4:06 PM
> >> I guess I will pull the plugs and see if they are sparking
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] 103 won’t start

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Well after letting is sit for a while then cranking on it some more it finally 
started again. Once it gets going in runs great and has snappy throttle 
response. Not sure what the deal is 

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> On Mar 31, 2018, at 4:10 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> they also have to spark at the right time.  I think it was the 013 coil that 
> seemed to spark, but the car would not run.  With a new coil, it ran fine.   
> Mine had a weird flat box kind of coil, not a traditional cylinder.  Those 
> flat ones fail in weird ways.
> 
> Just take an old plug out and put it on a wire.   Or pull the wire from the 
> coil and lay it 1/2" or so from a ground.  3/8"  then 1/4"
>> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>> March 31, 2018 at 4:06 PM
>> I guess I will pull the plugs and see if they are sparking
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 103 won’t start

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

they also have to spark at the right time.  I think it was the 013 coil 
that seemed to spark, but the car would not run.  With a new coil, it 
ran fine.   Mine had a weird flat box kind of coil, not a traditional 
cylinder.  Those flat ones fail in weird ways.


Just take an old plug out and put it on a wire.   Or pull the wire from 
the coil and lay it 1/2" or so from a ground.  3/8"  then 1/4"

Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
March 31, 2018 at 4:06 PM
I guess I will pull the plugs and see if they are sparking



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Re: [MBZ] 103 won’t start

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I guess I will pull the plugs and see if they are sparking 

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> On Mar 31, 2018, at 3:58 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Coil died?
> 
>> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>> March 31, 2018 at 3:50 PM
>> I need 103 help. This 88 300ce has to crank for a long time when starting it 
>> after it sets for a few days. It has been sitting for a couple of weeks and 
>> I cranked on it and it started up like normal. Once you get it going it’s 
>> fine and starts back up just fine. So today I took it down the road and back 
>> and it ran fine and had plenty of power etc. Pulled it around back to hose 
>> off the dust to take photos. Took the photos and it was running all during 
>> this time. When I got ready to pull it back into the garage I put it in 
>> gear, gave it some gas and it died. I have not been able to get it started 
>> back up. I checked and it’s got fuel going to the distributor and the in 
>> port screen is clear so it’s getting fuel. If you crank on it then let off 
>> the key it will sort of stumble for a second. I gave it a little starting 
>> fluid and it tried to fire; sort of fired for a second then died. I have 
>> never worked on these too much so not sure what it could be. I need to get 
>> it back in the garage before it starts raining tonight/tomorrow. It’s on the 
>> charger now I will try it again in a little bit. Maybe it got flooded or 
>> something
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 103 won’t start

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Coil died?


Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
March 31, 2018 at 3:50 PM
I need 103 help. This 88 300ce has to crank for a long time when 
starting it after it sets for a few days. It has been sitting for a 
couple of weeks and I cranked on it and it started up like normal. 
Once you get it going it’s fine and starts back up just fine. So today 
I took it down the road and back and it ran fine and had plenty of 
power etc. Pulled it around back to hose off the dust to take photos. 
Took the photos and it was running all during this time. When I got 
ready to pull it back into the garage I put it in gear, gave it some 
gas and it died. I have not been able to get it started back up. I 
checked and it’s got fuel going to the distributor and the in port 
screen is clear so it’s getting fuel. If you crank on it then let off 
the key it will sort of stumble for a second. I gave it a little 
starting fluid and it tried to fire; sort of fired for a second then 
died. I have never worked on these too much so not sure what it could 
be. I need to get it back in the garage before it starts raining 
tonight/tomorrow. It’s on the charger now I will try it again in a 
little bit. Maybe it got flooded or something


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[MBZ] 103 won’t start

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I need 103 help. This 88 300ce has to crank for a long time when starting it 
after it sets for a few days. It has been sitting for a couple of weeks and I 
cranked on it and it started up like normal. Once you get it going it’s fine 
and starts back up just fine. So today I took it down the road and back and it 
ran fine and had plenty of power etc. Pulled it around back to hose off the 
dust to take photos. Took the photos and it was running all during this time. 
When I got ready to pull it back into the garage I put it in gear, gave it some 
gas and it died. I have not been able to get it started back up. I checked and 
it’s got fuel going to the distributor and the in port screen is clear so it’s 
getting fuel. If you crank on it then let off the key it will sort of stumble 
for a second. I gave it a little starting fluid and it tried to fire; sort of 
fired for a second then died. I have never worked on these too much so not sure 
what it could be. I need to get it back in the garage before it starts raining 
tonight/tomorrow. It’s on the charger now I will try it again in a little bit. 
Maybe it got flooded or something

Sent from my iPhone

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