Re: [MBZ] 119 broken valve cover
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: No, but I probably will pull the other side have not tried to turn it over yet. When tom was looking at it for me he said the thing tried to start when they turned it over via starter. I dont want to turn it with the starter again till I see whats going on with the rails etc, I'd still consider pulling all the plugs, and rolling it over with the starter long enough for a compression test. I can't believe messages from the 29th are still trickling in. I need a new ISP, Corecomm is getting ridiculous. I took some online CPE on the 31st to fulfill my EA licensing requirements, they emailed my certificate to me and I still don't have it on the 2nd. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 119 broken valve cover
yea, after I turn it over by hand a few times, I will do a compression test to see what it shows. Mitch Haley wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: No, but I probably will pull the other side have not tried to turn it over yet. When tom was looking at it for me he said the thing tried to start when they turned it over via starter. I dont want to turn it with the starter again till I see whats going on with the rails etc, I'd still consider pulling all the plugs, and rolling it over with the starter long enough for a compression test. I can't believe messages from the 29th are still trickling in. I need a new ISP, Corecomm is getting ridiculous. I took some online CPE on the 31st to fulfill my EA licensing requirements, they emailed my certificate to me and I still don't have it on the 2nd. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.2/1871 - Release Date: 1/1/2009 5:01 PM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 119 broken valve cover
I would advise that you remove the front cover and inspect the state of the chain and it's components before using the starter to turn it over. Yes you may get away with it but you'd feel shitty if the chain jumps while you are compression testing and the motor goes clunk. Will you be able to turn the motor over with the starter if the front engine cover is removed? Hendrik Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: yea, after I turn it over by hand a few times, I will do a compression test to see what it shows. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 119 broken valve cover
Pulled the valve cover today to survey the damage. Looks like there is supposed to be a slide rail at the top of the head under the chain toward the middle side of the engine, which is not there. Is this correct? Looks like its broken which caused the valve cover to break. Chain is intact and it does not appear at least from the outside that there are any bent valves. So, opinions on what needs to happen? Does that slide rail need to be replaced or does it need to be torn down and all of them replaced? If just one one, is there a way to replace it from up top? Looks like I might have to split the chain and put in a new master link. See pics http://www.okiebenz.com/pics/119brokenvalvecover/ -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 119 broken valve cover
I've never looked at one of those engines, so it's hard to say - did you pull the other side and compare? Can you get someone to crank it by hand while you watch the cam followers go up and down? Don't know how you'd tell if valves were bent other than to see if they go down and come back up. On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 5:10 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: Pulled the valve cover today to survey the damage. Looks like there is supposed to be a slide rail at the top of the head under the chain toward the middle side of the engine, which is not there. Is this correct? Looks like its broken which caused the valve cover to break. Chain is intact and it does not appear at least from the outside that there are any bent valves. So, opinions on what needs to happen? Does that slide rail need to be replaced or does it need to be torn down and all of them replaced? If just one one, is there a way to replace it from up top? Looks like I might have to split the chain and put in a new master link. See pics http://www.okiebenz.com/pics/119brokenvalvecover/ -- OK Don ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 119 broken valve cover
Fraid you're gonna have to pull off the timing case. The piece that is broken off (find it here http://www.detali.ru/cat/cats/?cat=mb ) is situated between the two camshafts. Now the problem is that you have two holes in the cam cover. Why? Because something broke off in the bottom, got dragged over cam A, smashed a hole, smashed the sliding rail and dragged over cam B and punched another hole in the cover and did God knows what else. http://www.detali.ru/cat/cats/my.mycat?Picsyspm=fdc4f8a2525c5a0c4e56584923484b2f0134667e00110c030507005f2c276b5d702a3a3cd5cccd8fa597a99cfeece7ebfeb789bff1c496999ed789bc93919aefc1pm=4b72461b0e0103085e332e2821323a3e7dc1b7bebfa2a2abaf93979e989d8e8f8ffaf6fdcde3d6849caca2ada9f1c7d5ca3b32323c2b152b1e7c73642d635e586f22353f3c5167 Looking at that, only chain guide 104 sits inside the chain, the rest all appear to guide it from the outside. I am starting to think something nasty happened and may not be a guide rail fault, as I can't see a piece from guide 104 going all the way round to the camshaft sprockets. However I stand by having to pull the front cover off the engine to inspect all components. Hendrik OK Don wrote: I've never looked at one of those engines, so it's hard to say - did you pull the other side and compare? Can you get someone to crank it by hand while you watch the cam followers go up and down? Don't know how you'd tell if valves were bent other than to see if they go down and come back up. On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 5:10 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: Pulled the valve cover today to survey the damage. Looks like there is supposed to be a slide rail at the top of the head under the chain toward the middle side of the engine, which is not there. Is this correct? Looks like its broken which caused the valve cover to break. Chain is intact and it does not appear at least from the outside that there are any bent valves. So, opinions on what needs to happen? Does that slide rail need to be replaced or does it need to be torn down and all of them replaced? If just one one, is there a way to replace it from up top? Looks like I might have to split the chain and put in a new master link. See pics http://www.okiebenz.com/pics/119brokenvalvecover/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081230/872c7837/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 119 broken valve cover
Kaleb, et al. From the photos, it looks like a very worn chain, and/or a dead tensioning device. When the throttle is suddenly released, the chain rides up the back of the sprocket and part jams between the guide and the sprocket, putting a lot of pressure on the guide, eventually breaking the guide and cover. Saw this on the inside of the cover on my M102 engine with rattley chain. Nice set of stripes. My $0.02 Fred Moir Lynn MA At 06:10 PM 12/29/2008, you wrote: Pulled the valve cover today to survey the damage. Looks like there is supposed to be a slide rail at the top of the head under the chain toward the middle side of the engine, which is not there. Is this correct? Looks like its broken which caused the valve cover to break. Chain is intact and it does not appear at least from the outside that there are any bent valves. So, opinions on what needs to happen? Does that slide rail need to be replaced or does it need to be torn down and all of them replaced? If just one one, is there a way to replace it from up top? Looks like I might have to split the chain and put in a new master link. See pics http://www.okiebenz.com/pics/119brokenvalvecover/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 119 broken valve cover
No, but I probably will pull the other side have not tried to turn it over yet. When tom was looking at it for me he said the thing tried to start when they turned it over via starter. I dont want to turn it with the starter again till I see whats going on with the rails etc, make sure nothing is stuck down in there somewhere. OK Don wrote: I've never looked at one of those engines, so it's hard to say - did you pull the other side and compare? Can you get someone to crank it by hand while you watch the cam followers go up and down? Don't know how you'd tell if valves were bent other than to see if they go down and come back up. On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 5:10 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: Pulled the valve cover today to survey the damage. Looks like there is supposed to be a slide rail at the top of the head under the chain toward the middle side of the engine, which is not there. Is this correct? Looks like its broken which caused the valve cover to break. Chain is intact and it does not appear at least from the outside that there are any bent valves. So, opinions on what needs to happen? Does that slide rail need to be replaced or does it need to be torn down and all of them replaced? If just one one, is there a way to replace it from up top? Looks like I might have to split the chain and put in a new master link. See pics http://www.okiebenz.com/pics/119brokenvalvecover/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.1/1868 - Release Date: 12/29/2008 10:48 AM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 119 broken valve cover
Im missing 110, and 119 and 128 appear to be broken as well. My theory is 110 broke, got drug across between the top of the chain and valve cover, and broke valve cover. It looks to me like 119 just bolts on from the top. But yes, Im sure the cover needs to come off just to be safe. Hendrik Fay wrote: Fraid you're gonna have to pull off the timing case. The piece that is broken off (find it here http://www.detali.ru/cat/cats/?cat=mb ) is situated between the two camshafts. Now the problem is that you have two holes in the cam cover. Why? Because something broke off in the bottom, got dragged over cam A, smashed a hole, smashed the sliding rail and dragged over cam B and punched another hole in the cover and did God knows what else. http://www.detali.ru/cat/cats/my.mycat?Picsyspm=fdc4f8a2525c5a0c4e56584923484b2f0134667e00110c030507005f2c276b5d702a3a3cd5cccd8fa597a99cfeece7ebfeb789bff1c496999ed789bc93919aefc1pm=4b72461b0e0103085e332e2821323a3e7dc1b7bebfa2a2abaf93979e989d8e8f8ffaf6fdcde3d6849caca2ada9f1c7d5ca3b32323c2b152b1e7c73642d635e586f22353f3c5167 Looking at that, only chain guide 104 sits inside the chain, the rest all appear to guide it from the outside. I am starting to think something nasty happened and may not be a guide rail fault, as I can't see a piece from guide 104 going all the way round to the camshaft sprockets. However I stand by having to pull the front cover off the engine to inspect all components. Hendrik OK Don wrote: I've never looked at one of those engines, so it's hard to say - did you pull the other side and compare? Can you get someone to crank it by hand while you watch the cam followers go up and down? Don't know how you'd tell if valves were bent other than to see if they go down and come back up. On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 5:10 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: Pulled the valve cover today to survey the damage. Looks like there is supposed to be a slide rail at the top of the head under the chain toward the middle side of the engine, which is not there. Is this correct? Looks like its broken which caused the valve cover to break. Chain is intact and it does not appear at least from the outside that there are any bent valves. So, opinions on what needs to happen? Does that slide rail need to be replaced or does it need to be torn down and all of them replaced? If just one one, is there a way to replace it from up top? Looks like I might have to split the chain and put in a new master link. See pics http://www.okiebenz.com/pics/119brokenvalvecover/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081230/872c7837/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.1/1868 - Release Date: 12/29/2008 10:48 AM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 119 broken valve cover
I figure whatever needs to be done with the rails, it also should probably have a new chain and tensioner as well. Frederick W Moir wrote: Kaleb, et al. From the photos, it looks like a very worn chain, and/or a dead tensioning device. When the throttle is suddenly released, the chain rides up the back of the sprocket and part jams between the guide and the sprocket, putting a lot of pressure on the guide, eventually breaking the guide and cover. Saw this on the inside of the cover on my M102 engine with rattley chain. Nice set of stripes. My $0.02 Fred Moir Lynn MA At 06:10 PM 12/29/2008, you wrote: Pulled the valve cover today to survey the damage. Looks like there is supposed to be a slide rail at the top of the head under the chain toward the middle side of the engine, which is not there. Is this correct? Looks like its broken which caused the valve cover to break. Chain is intact and it does not appear at least from the outside that there are any bent valves. So, opinions on what needs to happen? Does that slide rail need to be replaced or does it need to be torn down and all of them replaced? If just one one, is there a way to replace it from up top? Looks like I might have to split the chain and put in a new master link. See pics http://www.okiebenz.com/pics/119brokenvalvecover/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.1/1868 - Release Date: 12/29/2008 10:48 AM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 119 broken valve cover
Is 119 a lubricating guide? It appears to be matched to the semi-rectangular hole (which appears to have a piece stuck in it) http://www.okiebenz.com/pics/119brokenvalvecover/DSC02745.JPG There may well be quite a bit of plastic floating around in the motor, the oil pan may have to be dropped to get it out. Hendrik Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Im missing 110, and 119 and 128 appear to be broken as well. My theory is 110 broke, got drug across between the top of the chain and valve cover, and broke valve cover. It looks to me like 119 just bolts on from the top. But yes, Im sure the cover needs to come off just to be safe. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 119 broken valve cover
not sure. Yes, Im sure there is still a good bit of plastic floating around. Hendrik Fay wrote: Is 119 a lubricating guide? It appears to be matched to the semi-rectangular hole (which appears to have a piece stuck in it) http://www.okiebenz.com/pics/119brokenvalvecover/DSC02745.JPG There may well be quite a bit of plastic floating around in the motor, the oil pan may have to be dropped to get it out. Hendrik Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Im missing 110, and 119 and 128 appear to be broken as well. My theory is 110 broke, got drug across between the top of the chain and valve cover, and broke valve cover. It looks to me like 119 just bolts on from the top. But yes, Im sure the cover needs to come off just to be safe. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.1/1868 - Release Date: 12/29/2008 10:48 AM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 119 broken valve cover
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 119 broken valve cover On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 5:10 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: Pulled the valve cover today to survey the damage. Looks like there is supposed to be a slide rail at the top of the head under the chain toward the middle side of the engine, which is not there. Is this correct? Looks like its broken which caused the valve cover to break. Chain is intact and it does not appear at least from the outside that there are any bent valves. So, opinions on what needs to happen? Does that slide rail need to be replaced or does it need to be torn down and all of them replaced? If just one one, is there a way to replace it from up top? Looks like I might have to split the chain and put in a new master link. See pics http://www.okiebenz.com/pics/119brokenvalvecover/ Kaleb-- Really looks like a good look into all of the guide rails is in order- that means pulling the cover off, which is a job. But you've had pieces of broken guides traveling in and among the (formerly) good ones, which has likely damaged at least some of them. That plastic gets brittle with age and temperature. With the cover off you may be able to get a better feel for what happened before pulling the heads. But I'd start preparing for that OR looking for another motor. THat said you may luck out and find that the valves haven't bounced on the pistons. Unlikely, but possible. Tony Wirtel -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081229/f92d8668/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
