Re: [MBZ] 1972 Mercedes Benz 280se 4.5, Auto, Runs, Needs Restoration!

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Albrecht Stachel of Brooklyn Moteren Werke in Brooklyn, WI swears by
that 4.5 engine.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] 1972 Mercedes Benz 280se 4.5, Auto, Runs, Needs Restoration!

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

the bullet proof 4.5liter V-8 engine

I could get that, put the engine in a 140 with the bullet proof windows, 
and that thing would be ready for the zombie apocalypse


--R

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Re: [MBZ] 1972 Mercedes Benz 280se 4.5, Auto, Runs, Needs Restoration!

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

I could not see much benefit to a 380 over the 450, given the timing 
chain issue and only gaining 2mpg.


Many 380's already have the correct chain.  It's not like it's
hard to tell, just look in the oil fill hole.

If I could put a 560 back end on it, that would give more oomph.  
But there is no way to make it payback in fuel saving.  Best use of my 
limited funding is to fill the tank as needed and small cosmetics.


It's almost always a waste to try to turn one car into another.
Appreciate it for what it is, and if you want the different car
just get one.

I found our 380 more drivable than the 450.  But the 560's (3!) are
better yet.  _All_ are/were nice cars, though, but I certainly 
appreciated

the larger turn signal indicators on the 450, the better positioning of
its turn signal stalk, and its manual climate controls.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] 1972 Mercedes Benz 280se 4.5, Auto, Runs, Needs Restoration!

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

It's BORING compared to the 300SEL 3.5 with the 4 speed bulletproof
transmission.

On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes <
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> Albrecht Stachel of Brooklyn Moteren Werke in Brooklyn, WI swears by
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> mao
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Re: [MBZ] 1972 Mercedes Benz 280se 4.5, Auto, Runs, Needs Restoration!

[Darren Marshall via Mercedes]

The one I picked up in OK looks brand new compared to this... still haven't 
figured out that vapor lock tho

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> On Nov 25, 2015, at 1:13 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> It's BORING compared to the 300SEL 3.5 with the 4 speed bulletproof
> transmission.
> 
> On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes <
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> 
>> Albrecht Stachel of Brooklyn Moteren Werke in Brooklyn, WI swears by
>> that 4.5 engine.
>> mao
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Re: [MBZ] 1972 Mercedes Benz 280se 4.5, Auto, Runs, Needs Restoration!

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

From what I gather, the M117 usually needs a valve job around 250k  
miles, and in many cases a total rebuild around the 500k mark when the  
rings go -- but only in California, where people actually put that  
kind of mileage on a 450SL.  Most other parts of the world they rust  
away or don't get driven that much.


Only weak point I know of is the water pump, and it's a huge pain to  
change.  Otherwise, don't overheat them and they will run forever.


Gas hogs though, due to the really low rear end and D-Jet.  K-Jet is  
better, but not by all that much.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] 1972 Mercedes Benz 280se 4.5, Auto, Runs, Needs Restoration!

[clay via Mercedes]

Compared to a modern engine, the M117 in Frosch is a slug.  Could be 
transmission related.  Either way, the car has had a bit of minor work since my 
purchase and she is running much better.  Finally got close to 15mpg highway on 
my last long drive.  Better than the 10mpg over the past four years.  I only 
put 2500 on the clock each year to get her to 215k.   She has had two water 
pumps under my watch.  Trivial overheating both times.  First was full pump 
failure due to calcium build up and fresh hoses.  Second was when the viscous 
fan died last year.

May need the valves done in a few years.  Some compression values off (but 
within range) on two pistons.  PPI found that and have not had a recent retest 
to see if it got better.  No smoke, no leaks of fluid on a 1973 engine.  PPI 
made note of possible head gasket leakage, but I have not seen anything, nor 
has my indy made mention of it since.  Biggest long term gremlin hunt has been 
the Djet system.  Pretty much nailed it down now.

I could not see much benefit to a 380 over the 450, given the timing chain 
issue and only gaining 2mpg.If I could put a 560 back end on it, that would 
give more oomph.  But there is no way to make it payback in fuel saving.  Best 
use of my limited funding is to fill the tank as needed and small cosmetics.  
Maybe install a fresh exhaust because the current one is rusting away and 
welding just makes more holes.

clay



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> From what I gather, the M117 usually needs a valve job around 250k miles, and 
> in many cases a total rebuild around the 500k mark when the rings go -- but 
> only in California, where people actually put that kind of mileage on a 
> 450SL.  Most other parts of the world they rust away or don't get driven that 
> much.
> 
> Only weak point I know of is the water pump, and it's a huge pain to change.  
> Otherwise, don't overheat them and they will run forever.
> 
> Gas hogs though, due to the really low rear end and D-Jet.  K-Jet is better, 
> but not by all that much.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 1972 Mercedes Benz 280se 4.5, Auto, Runs, Needs Restoration!

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Vapor lock?

Look for a small leak in the injector ring or injector hoses.  I don't  
remember much of an issue with that otherwise, but a slow leak there  
can let all the gasoline leak out of the ring as it boils.


Leaks are a very common issue up there, and if you have a good sized  
one you can fill the valley in the block with gasoline before you  
smell it, I've know several to catch fire


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] 1972 Mercedes Benz 280se 4.5, Auto, Runs, Needs Restoration!

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

It's BORING compared to the 300SEL 3.5 with the 4 speed bulletproof
transmission.



Did you ever find out the provenance of that machine?There were 
stories that Roy Carver special ordered a big Mercedes with a special 
order manual transmission, (around 70-74) and that the factory argued 
with him about the transmission.  Carver won out and got the manual 
trans.   He made a lot of $$ in WWII with his company, Carver Pumps. 
At least one big 10 arena is named for him, along with some other 
things.


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Re: [MBZ] 1972 Mercedes Benz 280se 4.5, Auto, Runs, Needs Restoration!

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

I bet Grant could put a bullet through it and one through the windows.


the bullet proof 4.5liter V-8 engine

I could get that, put the engine in a 140 with the bullet proof 
windows, and that thing would be ready for the zombie apocalypse



-R

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[MBZ] 1972 Mercedes Benz 280se 4.5,Auto,Runs,Needs Restoration!

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

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Re: [MBZ] 1972 Mercedes Benz 280se 4.5, Auto, Runs, Needs Restoration!

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

A real crackpot.
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