[MBZ] 1985 300TD Blows Ice Cold no matter how cold it is outside - even with the heat on!

2014-12-22 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
Drove back from NYC last night and almost froze to death. Crazy symptoms:

1. Blower works fine but even with wheel pegged to max heat, there is no
warmth to the air flow.

2. Two right side dash vents blow so cold they had to be shut off; two left
side blow lukewarm at best

3. Air to floor is icy cold (ambient air?).

4.  Problem worsened as time went on.

Ideas?

I was thinking the problem could be blamed on one of the following:
1. defective mono valve
2. push button ACC malfunction (system not responsive to temp. wheel)
3. defective "AC heater and control valve - used with A/C and heating
controls in dash":


0008000478
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Heater Control Valve; Changeover Valve for Climate Control; 2 Pin & 2
Vacuum Connectors
Anyone ever repalced a W123 "AC & Heater Control Valve?"  If so, what
symptoms did it resolve?

Incidentally, the AC blew ICE COLD all summer long.

BTW, how do you account for the large price difference in new monovalves
offered on ebay that appear to be identical:

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=mercedes+mono+valve&_from=R40%7CR40&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xmercedes+mono+valve+%2B+%28w123%2C+300d%29&_nkw=mercedes+mono+valve+%2B+%28w123%2C+300d%29&_sacat=0

Thanks in advance, and brrr!

Andrew
1983 300TD  runs hot and cold
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Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Blows Ice Cold no matter how cold it is outside - even with the heat on!

2014-12-22 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
I would start with looking at the monovalve.

As for the disparity in prices, I would suspect that the URO folks are somehow 
involved.

A URO rep surfaced a while ago over at BenzWorld and he tried to defend their 
products.  Needless to say he went quiet rather quickly as people took him to 
task over URO's crappy parts.

Dan

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> On Dec 22, 2014, at 1:30 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Drove back from NYC last night and almost froze to death. Crazy symptoms:
> 
> 1. Blower works fine but even with wheel pegged to max heat, there is no
> warmth to the air flow.
> 
> 2. Two right side dash vents blow so cold they had to be shut off; two left
> side blow lukewarm at best
> 
> 3. Air to floor is icy cold (ambient air?).
> 
> 4.  Problem worsened as time went on.
> 
> Ideas?
> 
> I was thinking the problem could be blamed on one of the following:
> 1. defective mono valve
> 2. push button ACC malfunction (system not responsive to temp. wheel)
> 3. defective "AC heater and control valve - used with A/C and heating
> controls in dash":
> 
> 
> 0008000478
> Genuine Mercedes  - AC &
> Heater Control Valve; Changeover Valve for Climate Control; 2 Pin & 2
> Vacuum Connectors
> Anyone ever repalced a W123 "AC & Heater Control Valve?"  If so, what
> symptoms did it resolve?
> 
> Incidentally, the AC blew ICE COLD all summer long.
> 
> BTW, how do you account for the large price difference in new monovalves
> offered on ebay that appear to be identical:
> 
> http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=mercedes+mono+valve&_from=R40%7CR40&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xmercedes+mono+valve+%2B+%28w123%2C+300d%29&_nkw=mercedes+mono+valve+%2B+%28w123%2C+300d%29&_sacat=0
> 
> Thanks in advance, and brrr!
> 
> Andrew
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Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Blows Ice Cold no matter how cold it is outside - even with the heat on!

2014-12-22 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes 

That system has two primary ills:  bad solder joints in the
pushbutton array, and a split monovalve insert.  The former
makes it insane, and unable to do what it should, and the
latter just plain prevents heat.  The tertiary ill is a
rotted foam hose going to the cabin air temperature sensor,
which makes it unresponsive to in-cabin air temperature.

All are easy fixes, for the handy.  (Assuming, now, that
you can _get_ a decent monovalve insert.)

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Blows Ice Cold no matter how cold it is outside - even with the heat on!

2014-12-22 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
A piece of 1/2" foam pipe insulation works wonders as a replacement for the 
original rotted part.

Dan

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> On Dec 22, 2014, at 2:02 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> That system has two primary ills:  bad solder joints in the
> pushbutton array, and a split monovalve insert.  The former
> makes it insane, and unable to do what it should, and the
> latter just plain prevents heat.  The tertiary ill is a
> rotted foam hose going to the cabin air temperature sensor,
> which makes it unresponsive to in-cabin air temperature.
> 
> All are easy fixes, for the handy.  (Assuming, now, that
> you can _get_ a decent monovalve insert.)
> 
> -- Jim
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Blows Ice Cold no matter how cold it is outside - even with the heat on!

2014-12-22 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
Does it blow warmer when sitting at idle? Thats a sure sign of monovalve.
-Curt
  From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
 Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 1:30 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Blows Ice Cold no matter how cold it is outside - 
even with the heat on!
   
Drove back from NYC last night and almost froze to death. Crazy symptoms:

1. Blower works fine but even with wheel pegged to max heat, there is no
warmth to the air flow.

2. Two right side dash vents blow so cold they had to be shut off; two left
side blow lukewarm at best

3. Air to floor is icy cold (ambient air?).

4.  Problem worsened as time went on.

Ideas?

I was thinking the problem could be blamed on one of the following:
1. defective mono valve
2. push button ACC malfunction (system not responsive to temp. wheel)
3. defective "AC heater and control valve - used with A/C and heating
controls in dash":

<http://www.autohausaz.com/secure/PartImages/0008000478.jpg>
0008000478
Genuine Mercedes <http://www.autohausaz.com/html/brandnames.html> - AC &
Heater Control Valve; Changeover Valve for Climate Control; 2 Pin & 2
Vacuum Connectors
Anyone ever repalced a W123 "AC & Heater Control Valve?"  If so, what
symptoms did it resolve?

Incidentally, the AC blew ICE COLD all summer long.

BTW, how do you account for the large price difference in new monovalves
offered on ebay that appear to be identical:

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=mercedes+mono+valve&_from=R40%7CR40&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xmercedes+mono+valve+%2B+%28w123%2C+300d%29&_nkw=mercedes+mono+valve+%2B+%28w123%2C+300d%29&_sacat=0

Thanks in advance, and brrr!

Andrew
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Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Blows Ice Cold no matter how cold it is outside - even with the heat on!

2014-12-22 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
You didn't answer the question and you responded only to me although from your 
response it would appear you meant to respond to everybody.
-Curt
  From: Andrew Strasfogel 
 To: Curt Raymond  
 Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 2:58 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Blows Ice Cold no matter how cold it is outside 
- even with the heat on!
   
I forgot to mention that it isn't the thermostat - the engine operating 
temperature was in the normal range. Has anyone replaced or know the purpose 
of, the "AC heater and control valve" and if so, where is it mounted?


On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 2:23 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

Does it blow warmer when sitting at idle? Thats a sure sign of monovalve.
-Curt
  From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
 Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 1:30 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Blows Ice Cold no matter how cold it is outside - 
even with the heat on!
   
Drove back from NYC last night and almost froze to death. Crazy symptoms:

1. Blower works fine but even with wheel pegged to max heat, there is no
warmth to the air flow.

2. Two right side dash vents blow so cold they had to be shut off; two left
side blow lukewarm at best

3. Air to floor is icy cold (ambient air?).

4.  Problem worsened as time went on.

Ideas?

I was thinking the problem could be blamed on one of the following:
1. defective mono valve
2. push button ACC malfunction (system not responsive to temp. wheel)
3. defective "AC heater and control valve - used with A/C and heating
controls in dash":

<http://www.autohausaz.com/secure/PartImages/0008000478.jpg>
0008000478
Genuine Mercedes <http://www.autohausaz.com/html/brandnames.html> - AC &
Heater Control Valve; Changeover Valve for Climate Control; 2 Pin & 2
Vacuum Connectors
Anyone ever repalced a W123 "AC & Heater Control Valve?"  If so, what
symptoms did it resolve?

Incidentally, the AC blew ICE COLD all summer long.

BTW, how do you account for the large price difference in new monovalves
offered on ebay that appear to be identical:

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=mercedes+mono+valve&_from=R40%7CR40&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xmercedes+mono+valve+%2B+%28w123%2C+300d%29&_nkw=mercedes+mono+valve+%2B+%28w123%2C+300d%29&_sacat=0

Thanks in advance, and brrr!

Andrew
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Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Blows Ice Cold no matter how cold it is outside - even with the heat on!

2014-12-22 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
Yeah, GMail in conversation mode aggregates all responses, although some
are private.  I still am getting used to this.  Also, your questions was in
tiny type that I could barely read.

Anyway, at idle there doesn't appear to be much difference in heat.  My
tech is betting it's the monovalve, with the ACC module a close second.  I
have a spare ACC module so will test this first before purchasing a
monovalve.  I did notice that the faster I drove and the longer I was on
the road, the colder it felt, but that may have been a cumulative effect...

On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 5:06 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> You didn't answer the question and you responded only to me although from
> your response it would appear you meant to respond to everybody.
> -Curt
>   From: Andrew Strasfogel 
>  To: Curt Raymond 
>  Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 2:58 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Blows Ice Cold no matter how cold it is
> outside - even with the heat on!
>
> I forgot to mention that it isn't the thermostat - the engine operating
> temperature was in the normal range. Has anyone replaced or know the
> purpose of, the "AC heater and control valve" and if so, where is it
> mounted?
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 2:23 PM, Curt Raymond 
> wrote:
>
> Does it blow warmer when sitting at idle? Thats a sure sign of monovalve.
> -Curt
>   From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>  Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 1:30 PM
>  Subject: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Blows Ice Cold no matter how cold it is outside
> - even with the heat on!
>
> Drove back from NYC last night and almost froze to death. Crazy symptoms:
>
> 1. Blower works fine but even with wheel pegged to max heat, there is no
> warmth to the air flow.
>
> 2. Two right side dash vents blow so cold they had to be shut off; two left
> side blow lukewarm at best
>
> 3. Air to floor is icy cold (ambient air?).
>
> 4.  Problem worsened as time went on.
>
> Ideas?
>
> I was thinking the problem could be blamed on one of the following:
> 1. defective mono valve
> 2. push button ACC malfunction (system not responsive to temp. wheel)
> 3. defective "AC heater and control valve - used with A/C and heating
> controls in dash":
>
> <http://www.autohausaz.com/secure/PartImages/0008000478.jpg>
> 0008000478
> Genuine Mercedes <http://www.autohausaz.com/html/brandnames.html> - AC &
> Heater Control Valve; Changeover Valve for Climate Control; 2 Pin & 2
> Vacuum Connectors
> Anyone ever repalced a W123 "AC & Heater Control Valve?"  If so, what
> symptoms did it resolve?
>
> Incidentally, the AC blew ICE COLD all summer long.
>
> BTW, how do you account for the large price difference in new monovalves
> offered on ebay that appear to be identical:
>
>
> http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=mercedes+mono+valve&_from=R40%7CR40&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xmercedes+mono+valve+%2B+%28w123%2C+300d%29&_nkw=mercedes+mono+valve+%2B+%28w123%2C+300d%29&_sacat=0
>
> Thanks in advance, and brrr!
>
> Andrew
> 1983 300TD  runs hot and cold
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Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Blows Ice Cold no matter how cold it is outside - even with the heat on!

2014-12-22 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes 
Hi Andrew,

Go with a new OE mono-valve.  I had the same issue and bought 2 chinese 
mono-valves from Rusty before crying uncle.  The OE ($146 IIRC) has worked 
perfectly since it was installed almost 3 winters ago.  The cheap Chinese ones 
would get a little tear in the rubber diaphragm allowing the coolant (under 
pressure) to get where it shouldn’t.

The other 2 issues that will affect you are the actual sensor itself (under the 
little grill in your dash) and the tube.  I do not think that these are your 
problem now, but if you replace them…..your system will work completely as 
designed.  I did both, and my wife has no more complaints about the temperature 
control.

Jon


> On Dec 22, 2014, at 1:30 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Drove back from NYC last night and almost froze to death. Crazy symptoms:
> 
> 1. Blower works fine but even with wheel pegged to max heat, there is no
> warmth to the air flow.
> 
> 2. Two right side dash vents blow so cold they had to be shut off; two left
> side blow lukewarm at best
> 
> 3. Air to floor is icy cold (ambient air?).
> 
> 4.  Problem worsened as time went on.
> 
> Ideas?
> 
> I was thinking the problem could be blamed on one of the following:
> 1. defective mono valve
> 2. push button ACC malfunction (system not responsive to temp. wheel)
> 3. defective "AC heater and control valve - used with A/C and heating
> controls in dash":
> 
> 
> 0008000478
> Genuine Mercedes  - AC &
> Heater Control Valve; Changeover Valve for Climate Control; 2 Pin & 2
> Vacuum Connectors
> Anyone ever repalced a W123 "AC & Heater Control Valve?"  If so, what
> symptoms did it resolve?
> 
> Incidentally, the AC blew ICE COLD all summer long.
> 
> BTW, how do you account for the large price difference in new monovalves
> offered on ebay that appear to be identical:
> 
> http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=mercedes+mono+valve&_from=R40%7CR40&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xmercedes+mono+valve+%2B+%28w123%2C+300d%29&_nkw=mercedes+mono+valve+%2B+%28w123%2C+300d%29&_sacat=0
> 
> Thanks in advance, and brrr!
> 
> Andrew
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Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Blows Ice Cold no matter how cold it is outside - even with the heat on!

2014-12-22 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
‎  Original Message  
From: Jon Agne via Mercedes
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 11:16 PM
To: Andrew Strasfogel; Mercedes Discussion List
Reply To: Jon Agne
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Blows Ice Cold no matter how cold it is   outside 
- even with the heat on!

>I did both, and my wife has no >more complaints about the >temperature 
>control.‎

And everyone knows... a happy wife, means a happy life! 

Rick 
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Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Blows Ice Cold no matter how cold it is outside - even with the heat on!

2014-12-22 Thread fmiser via Mercedes 
> Andrew wrote:
> 
> Anyway, at idle there doesn't appear to be much difference in
> heat.  My tech is betting it's the monovalve, with the ACC module
> a close second.  I have a spare ACC module so will test this
> first before purchasing a monovalve.  I did notice that the
> faster I drove and the longer I was on the road, the colder it
> felt, but that may have been a cumulative effect...

The classic symptom of a torn monovalve insert is heat ONLY at low
engine RPM.  It is possible, but not likely, that a damaged insert
would cause no heat.  But it could be electrical failure.

I'd unplug the electrical connector on the monovalve and go for a
drive.  That is the full heat setting.  If there is still no heat,
it has to be the monovalve or the coolant flow.  If there is heat -
then it's the controller.

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Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Blows Ice Cold no matter how cold it is outside - even with the heat on!

2014-12-22 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
Pull the electrical connector at the monovalve.  That should let the
monovalve stay full open.  If still no heat, the monoalve insert is toast.
Good luck finding a replacement.

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
> Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 11:57 PM
> To: Curt Raymond; Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Blows Ice Cold no matter how cold it is
> outside - even with the heat on!
> 
> Yeah, GMail in conversation mode aggregates all responses, although some
> are private.  I still am getting used to this.  Also, your questions was
in tiny
> type that I could barely read.
> 
> Anyway, at idle there doesn't appear to be much difference in heat.  My
tech
> is betting it's the monovalve, with the ACC module a close second.  I have
a
> spare ACC module so will test this first before purchasing a monovalve.  I
did
> notice that the faster I drove and the longer I was on the road, the
colder it
> felt, but that may have been a cumulative effect...
> 
> On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 5:06 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> > You didn't answer the question and you responded only to me although
> > from your response it would appear you meant to respond to everybody.
> > -Curt
> >   From: Andrew Strasfogel 
> >  To: Curt Raymond 
> >  Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 2:58 PM
> >  Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Blows Ice Cold no matter how cold it is
> > outside - even with the heat on!
> >
> > I forgot to mention that it isn't the thermostat - the engine
> > operating temperature was in the normal range. Has anyone replaced or
> > know the purpose of, the "AC heater and control valve" and if so,
> > where is it mounted?
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 2:23 PM, Curt Raymond
> 
> > wrote:
> >
> > Does it blow warmer when sitting at idle? Thats a sure sign of
monovalve.
> > -Curt
> >   From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> >  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> >  Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 1:30 PM
> >  Subject: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Blows Ice Cold no matter how cold it is
> > outside
> > - even with the heat on!
> >
> > Drove back from NYC last night and almost froze to death. Crazy
> symptoms:
> >
> > 1. Blower works fine but even with wheel pegged to max heat, there is
> > no warmth to the air flow.
> >
> > 2. Two right side dash vents blow so cold they had to be shut off; two
> > left side blow lukewarm at best
> >
> > 3. Air to floor is icy cold (ambient air?).
> >
> > 4.  Problem worsened as time went on.
> >
> > Ideas?
> >
> > I was thinking the problem could be blamed on one of the following:
> > 1. defective mono valve
> > 2. push button ACC malfunction (system not responsive to temp. wheel)
> > 3. defective "AC heater and control valve - used with A/C and heating
> > controls in dash":
> >
> > <http://www.autohausaz.com/secure/PartImages/0008000478.jpg>
> > 0008000478
> > Genuine Mercedes
> <http://www.autohausaz.com/html/brandnames.html> - AC
> > & Heater Control Valve; Changeover Valve for Climate Control; 2 Pin &
> > 2 Vacuum Connectors Anyone ever repalced a W123 "AC & Heater Control
> > Valve?"  If so, what symptoms did it resolve?
> >
> > Incidentally, the AC blew ICE COLD all summer long.
> >
> > BTW, how do you account for the large price difference in new
> > monovalves offered on ebay that appear to be identical:
> >
> >
> >
> http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=mercedes+mono+valve&_from=R4
> 0%7CR
> >
> 40&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xme
> rced
> >
> es+mono+valve+%2B+%28w123%2C+300d%29&_nkw=mercedes+mono+valv
> e+%2B+%28w
> > 123%2C+300d%29&_sacat=0
> >
> > Thanks in advance, and brrr!
> >
> > Andrew
> > 1983 300TD  runs hot and cold
> > 1985 300TD  Freeze your b*tt off year round.
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Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Blows Ice Cold no matter how cold it is outside - even with the heat on!

2014-12-23 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
I just bought one from Dr. Fatty, the cheepchineechit version for $30 
which is like 1/8 the price of the MB one, which is probably 
cheepchineechit too.


--R


On 12/23/14 2:11 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:

Pull the electrical connector at the monovalve.  That should let the
monovalve stay full open.  If still no heat, the monoalve insert is toast.
Good luck finding a replacement.



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Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Blows Ice Cold no matter how cold it is outside - even with the heat on!

2014-12-23 Thread dseretakis--- via Mercedes 
Oh no, you didn't buy a Chinese monovalve! Ask Jon about those!

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> On Dec 23, 2014, at 9:59 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes  
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> 
> I just bought one from Dr. Fatty, the cheepchineechit version for $30 which 
> is like 1/8 the price of the MB one, which is probably cheepchineechit too.
> 
> --R
> 
> 
>> On 12/23/14 2:11 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:
>> Pull the electrical connector at the monovalve.  That should let the
>> monovalve stay full open.  If still no heat, the monoalve insert is toast.
>> Good luck finding a replacement.
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Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Blows Ice Cold no matter how cold it is outside - even with the heat on!

2014-12-23 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
I'm surprised Dr. Fatty would sell you one.  I didn't think he would sell such 
tripe?

Dan

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> On Dec 23, 2014, at 10:24 AM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes 
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> 
> Oh no, you didn't buy a Chinese monovalve! Ask Jon about those!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 23, 2014, at 9:59 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I just bought one from Dr. Fatty, the cheepchineechit version for $30 which 
>> is like 1/8 the price of the MB one, which is probably cheepchineechit too.
>> 
>> --R
>> 
>> 
>>> On 12/23/14 2:11 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Pull the electrical connector at the monovalve.  That should let the
>>> monovalve stay full open.  If still no heat, the monoalve insert is toast.
>>> Good luck finding a replacement.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Blows Ice Cold no matter how cold it is outside - even with the heat on!

2014-12-23 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
HA! Could be it was all that he could get...
-Curt
  From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
 Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 10:28 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Blows Ice Cold no matter how cold it is outside 
- even with the heat on!
   
I'm surprised Dr. Fatty would sell you one.  I didn't think he would sell such 
tripe?

Dan

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> On Dec 23, 2014, at 10:24 AM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes 
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> 
> Oh no, you didn't buy a Chinese monovalve! Ask Jon about those!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 23, 2014, at 9:59 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I just bought one from Dr. Fatty, the cheepchineechit version for $30 which 
>> is like 1/8 the price of the MB one, which is probably cheepchineechit too.
>> 
>> --R
>> 
>> 
>>> On 12/23/14 2:11 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Pull the electrical connector at the monovalve.  That should let the
>>> monovalve stay full open.  If still no heat, the monoalve insert is toast.
>>> Good luck finding a replacement.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Blows Ice Cold no matter how cold it is outside - even with the heat on!

2014-12-23 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
Ebay has MTC brand monovalves for between $17 and $55.  Are these Chinese?

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> HA! Could be it was all that he could get...
> -Curt
>   From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>  Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 10:28 AM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Blows Ice Cold no matter how cold it is
> outside - even with the heat on!
>
> I'm surprised Dr. Fatty would sell you one.  I didn't think he would sell
> such tripe?
>
> Dan
>
> Sent from my iPad
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> > On Dec 23, 2014, at 10:24 AM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Oh no, you didn't buy a Chinese monovalve! Ask Jon about those!
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Dec 23, 2014, at 9:59 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I just bought one from Dr. Fatty, the cheepchineechit version for $30
> which is like 1/8 the price of the MB one, which is probably
> cheepchineechit too.
> >>
> >> --R
> >>
> >>
> >>> On 12/23/14 2:11 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:
> >>> Pull the electrical connector at the monovalve.  That should let the
> >>> monovalve stay full open.  If still no heat, the monoalve insert is
> toast.
> >>> Good luck finding a replacement.
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Blows Ice Cold no matter how cold it is outside - even with the heat on!

2014-12-23 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes 
G: I've had one of Garys in the 300D for about 3 years; still works well.

> I just bought one from Dr. Fatty, the cheepchineechit version for $30 
> which is like 1/8 the price of the MB one, which is probably 
> cheepchineechit too.
> 
> --R
> 
> 
> On 12/23/14 2:11 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:
> > Pull the electrical connector at the monovalve.  That should let the
> > monovalve stay full open.  If still no heat, the monoalve insert is toast.
> > Good luck finding a replacement.
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Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Blows Ice Cold no matter how cold it is outside - even with the heat on!

2014-12-23 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
Larry, when you say "controller" you mean the push button module, right?

BTW, thanks for the troubleshooting tip - I will defintely try this and
unplug the monovalve assembly over the weekend.

On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 1:29 AM, fmiser via Mercedes 
wrote:

> > Andrew wrote:
> >
> > Anyway, at idle there doesn't appear to be much difference in
> > heat.  My tech is betting it's the monovalve, with the ACC module
> > a close second.  I have a spare ACC module so will test this
> > first before purchasing a monovalve.  I did notice that the
> > faster I drove and the longer I was on the road, the colder it
> > felt, but that may have been a cumulative effect...
>
> The classic symptom of a torn monovalve insert is heat ONLY at low
> engine RPM.  It is possible, but not likely, that a damaged insert
> would cause no heat.  But it could be electrical failure.
>
> I'd unplug the electrical connector on the monovalve and go for a
> drive.  That is the full heat setting.  If there is still no heat,
> it has to be the monovalve or the coolant flow.  If there is heat -
> then it's the controller.
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Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Blows Ice Cold no matter how cold it is outside - even with the heat on!

2014-12-23 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes 
G: Did Jon buy the Chinese monovalves from Gary?


On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 11:04:19 -0500
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> Ebay has MTC brand monovalves for between $17 and $55.  Are these Chinese?
> 
> MANUFACTURERPART NUMBERCONDITIONMTC
> 000-835-06-44
> BRAND NEW
> OTHER PART NUMBERS: 1-147-213-007 / 1147213007 /0008350644 / 1-147-213-007
> 
> On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 10:47 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
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> > HA! Could be it was all that he could get...
> > -Curt
> >   From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> >  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> >  Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 10:28 AM
> >  Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Blows Ice Cold no matter how cold it is
> > outside - even with the heat on!
> >
> > I'm surprised Dr. Fatty would sell you one.  I didn't think he would sell
> > such tripe?
> >
> > Dan
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > > On Dec 23, 2014, at 10:24 AM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Oh no, you didn't buy a Chinese monovalve! Ask Jon about those!
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > >> On Dec 23, 2014, at 9:59 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I just bought one from Dr. Fatty, the cheepchineechit version for $30
> > which is like 1/8 the price of the MB one, which is probably
> > cheepchineechit too.
> > >>
> > >> --R
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> On 12/23/14 2:11 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:
> > >>> Pull the electrical connector at the monovalve.  That should let the
> > >>> monovalve stay full open.  If still no heat, the monoalve insert is
> > toast.
> > >>> Good luck finding a replacement.
> > >>
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Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Blows Ice Cold no matter how cold it is outside - even with the heat on!

2014-12-23 Thread dseretakis--- via Mercedes 
Yes don't touch them. Buy OE or suffer. You risk blowing your engine. Ask Jon.

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> On Dec 23, 2014, at 11:04 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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> Ebay has MTC brand monovalves for between $17 and $55.  Are these Chinese?
> 
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>> HA! Could be it was all that he could get...
>> -Curt
>>  From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 10:28 AM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Blows Ice Cold no matter how cold it is
>> outside - even with the heat on!
>> 
>> I'm surprised Dr. Fatty would sell you one.  I didn't think he would sell
>> such tripe?
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>>> On Dec 23, 2014, at 10:24 AM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Oh no, you didn't buy a Chinese monovalve! Ask Jon about those!
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 23, 2014, at 9:59 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I just bought one from Dr. Fatty, the cheepchineechit version for $30
>> which is like 1/8 the price of the MB one, which is probably
>> cheepchineechit too.
>>>> 
>>>> --R
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 12/23/14 2:11 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:
>>>>> Pull the electrical connector at the monovalve.  That should let the
>>>>> monovalve stay full open.  If still no heat, the monoalve insert is
>> toast.
>>>>> Good luck finding a replacement.
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Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Blows Ice Cold no matter how cold it is outside - even with the heat on!

2014-12-23 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
The real thing is over $100, what do you think?
I'll make it real simple, cheap parts on eBay will always be a gamble, how much 
of a gambler are you?
-Curt
  From: Andrew Strasfogel 
 To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
 Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 11:04 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Blows Ice Cold no matter how cold it is outside 
- even with the heat on!
   
Ebay has MTC brand monovalves for between $17 and $55.  Are these Chinese? 
| MANUFACTURER | PART NUMBER | CONDITION |
| MTC | 000-835-06-44 | BRAND NEW |


OTHER PART NUMBERS: 1-147-213-007 / 1147213007 /0008350644 / 1-147-213-007


On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 10:47 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:

HA! Could be it was all that he could get...
-Curt
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 Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 10:28 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Blows Ice Cold no matter how cold it is outside 
- even with the heat on!

I'm surprised Dr. Fatty would sell you one.  I didn't think he would sell such 
tripe?

Dan

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> On Dec 23, 2014, at 10:24 AM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes 
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> Oh no, you didn't buy a Chinese monovalve! Ask Jon about those!
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> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Dec 23, 2014, at 9:59 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
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>> I just bought one from Dr. Fatty, the cheepchineechit version for $30 which 
>> is like 1/8 the price of the MB one, which is probably cheepchineechit too.
>>
>> --R
>>
>>
>>> On 12/23/14 2:11 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Pull the electrical connector at the monovalve.  That should let the
>>> monovalve stay full open.  If still no heat, the monoalve insert is toast.
>>> Good luck finding a replacement.
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Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Blows Ice Cold no matter how cold it is outside - even with the heat on!

2014-12-23 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes 
Zackly!


> On Dec 23, 2014, at 12:51 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
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> And everyone knows... a happy wife, means a happy life! 

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Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Blows Ice Cold no matter how cold it is outside - even with the heat on!

2014-12-23 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
Larry, when you say "controller" you mean the push button module, 
right?


On that system, the actual controller is separate from
the pushbutton module.  Every PBU I've had has had problems,
but I've never had a controller go bad.  The PBU just selects
functions, and gates the signals for the mode you are in.

The later systems, without the translucent "Auto" speed
button bar, are entirely integrated into the PBU.

-- Jim


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