Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL, white, asking $5500 for Dan or Wilton

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

That is one of my all time favorite movie scenes.  WIlliam H Macy is 
the

greatest actor alive, in this or any other galaxy.


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Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL, white, asking $5500 for Dan or Wilton

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

That is one of my all time favorite movie scenes.  WIlliam H Macy is the
greatest actor alive, in this or any other galaxy.

On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 12:42 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> ‎Andrew wrote:
>
> >Could have bought it for less but I >didn't know you were supposed
> >to negotiate.  Salesman was so >stunned he volunteered to throw >in the
> >undercoating for FREE.
>
>
> http://youtu.be/E5gwc4UizUc
>
> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL, white, asking $5500 for Dan or Wilton

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

‎Andrew wrote:

>Could have bought it for less but I >didn't know you were supposed
>to negotiate.  Salesman was so >stunned he volunteered to throw >in the
>undercoating for FREE.


http://youtu.be/E5gwc4UizUc

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Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL, white, asking $5500 for Dan or Wilton

[Darren Marshall via Mercedes]

Can I go back in time and sell my 240D?


> On May 19, 2015, at 8:57 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> My 1976 Chevette, purchased new in Tysons Corner, VA in Dec. 1975,  cost
> $3,600.  Could have bought it for less but I didn't know you were supposed
> to negotiate.  Salesman was so stunned he volunteered to throw in the
> undercoating for FREE.
> 
> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 8:11 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 19, 2015 at 2:15 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Doesn't know a camel from a palomino
>>> Where are the engine photos
>>> This car really had a $80,000 sticker price?  I don't think so...
>> 
>> My new car (the '97 S420) says 73 on the title, but AFAIK the base price
>> before
>> options was $73,500, and with SLS, burl walnut, etc I figure mine was at
>> least
>> $76k. IIRC, my '79 SD was $28k, so somewhere in between, maybe $50-60k?
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Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL, white, asking $5500 for Dan or Wilton

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

My 90 300D 2.5t had a $39.900 sticker
On May 19, 2015 6:20 PM, "WILTON via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> My '80 240D was grand total of  $17.4k in Nov '79.
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message - From: "Randy Bennell via Mercedes" <
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> Cc: "Randy Bennell" 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 5:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL, white, asking $5500 for Dan or Wilton
>
>
>  On 19/05/2015 4:30 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:
>>
>>> My black one was $58 thou.
>>>>
>>>> Wilton
>>>>
>>>
>>> What year was that?  I think my 86 was around 58k.  NADA sez base price
>>> was 57,800 for 1991, so 58K
>>>
>>> I remember some years prices for MBs went up like crazy.  One time was
>>> int he 70s.  The Diesels went form 10k to 20k very quickly then up to 40 or
>>> 50k, and I am not talking S, am talking about 115, 123, 124, 210, and later.
>>>
>>>  When was the big oil scare? 1974?
>>
>> I will bet diesel cars went up in price about that time.
>>
>> RB
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Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL, white, asking $5500 for Dan or Wilton

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

My 1976 Chevette, purchased new in Tysons Corner, VA in Dec. 1975,  cost
$3,600.  Could have bought it for less but I didn't know you were supposed
to negotiate.  Salesman was so stunned he volunteered to throw in the
undercoating for FREE.

On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 8:11 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
>
> > On May 19, 2015 at 2:15 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> >
> >
> > Doesn't know a camel from a palomino
> > Where are the engine photos
> > This car really had a $80,000 sticker price?  I don't think so...
>
> My new car (the '97 S420) says 73 on the title, but AFAIK the base price
> before
> options was $73,500, and with SLS, burl walnut, etc I figure mine was at
> least
> $76k. IIRC, my '79 SD was $28k, so somewhere in between, maybe $50-60k?
>
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Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL, white, asking $5500 for Dan or Wilton

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On May 19, 2015 at 2:15 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Doesn't know a camel from a palomino
> Where are the engine photos
> This car really had a $80,000 sticker price?  I don't think so...

My new car (the '97 S420) says 73 on the title, but AFAIK the base price before
options was $73,500, and with SLS, burl walnut, etc I figure mine was at least
$76k. IIRC, my '79 SD was $28k, so somewhere in between, maybe $50-60k? 

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Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL, white, asking $5500 for Dan or Wilton

[WILTON via Mercedes]

My '80 240D was grand total of  $17.4k in Nov '79.

Wilton

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From: "Randy Bennell via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Randy Bennell" 
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL, white, asking $5500 for Dan or Wilton



On 19/05/2015 4:30 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:

My black one was $58 thou.

Wilton


What year was that?  I think my 86 was around 58k.  NADA sez base 
price was 57,800 for 1991, so 58K


I remember some years prices for MBs went up like crazy.  One time was 
int he 70s.  The Diesels went form 10k to 20k very quickly then up to 
40 or 50k, and I am not talking S, am talking about 115, 123, 124, 
210, and later.



When was the big oil scare? 1974?

I will bet diesel cars went up in price about that time.

RB

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Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL, white, asking $5500 for Dan or Wilton

[WILTON via Mercedes]

'91 350SDL.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Curly McLain via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Curly McLain" <126die...@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 5:30 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL, white, asking $5500 for Dan or Wilton



>My black one was $58 thou.


Wilton


What year was that?  I think my 86 was around 58k.  NADA sez base 
price was 57,800 for 1991, so 58K


I remember some years prices for MBs went up like crazy.  One time 
was int he 70s.  The Diesels went form 10k to 20k very quickly  then 
up to 40 or 50k, and I am not talking S, am talking about 115, 123, 
124, 210, and later.


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Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL, white, asking $5500 for Dan or Wilton

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 19/05/2015 4:30 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:

My black one was $58 thou.

Wilton


What year was that?  I think my 86 was around 58k.  NADA sez base 
price was 57,800 for 1991, so 58K


I remember some years prices for MBs went up like crazy.  One time was 
int he 70s.  The Diesels went form 10k to 20k very quickly then up to 
40 or 50k, and I am not talking S, am talking about 115, 123, 124, 
210, and later.



When was the big oil scare? 1974?

I will bet diesel cars went up in price about that time.

RB

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Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL, white, asking $5500 for Dan or Wilton

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

My black one was $58 thou.

Wilton


What year was that?  I think my 86 was around 58k.  NADA sez base 
price was 57,800 for 1991, so 58K


I remember some years prices for MBs went up like crazy.  One time 
was int he 70s.  The Diesels went form 10k to 20k very quickly  then 
up to 40 or 50k, and I am not talking S, am talking about 115, 123, 
124, 210, and later.


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Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL, white, asking $5500 for Dan or Wilton

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Got sorta redundant with the k and the thou, didn't I?

Wilton

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From: "WILTON via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "WILTON" 
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL, white, asking $5500 for Dan or Wilton


'Wish it had an MB crate replacement engine.  'Can't trust the original, 
even at 200 and whatever kthou miles.  'Nursed mine to 200+ kthou before 
it crapped out.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Meade Dillon via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes" 
Cc: "Meade Dillon" 
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 1:45 PM
Subject: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL, white, asking $5500 for Dan or Wilton



http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/5026116005.html

This has been advertised for several months now, seller may be open to 
more

reasonable offer...

-
Max
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL, white, asking $5500 for Dan or Wilton

[WILTON via Mercedes]

'Wish it had an MB crate replacement engine.  'Can't trust the original, 
even at 200 and whatever kthou miles.  'Nursed mine to 200+ kthou before it 
crapped out.


Wilton

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To: "Mercedes" 
Cc: "Meade Dillon" 
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 1:45 PM
Subject: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL, white, asking $5500 for Dan or Wilton



http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/5026116005.html

This has been advertised for several months now, seller may be open to 
more

reasonable offer...

-
Max
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL, white, asking $5500 for Dan or Wilton

[WILTON via Mercedes]

My black one was $58 thou.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Andrew Strasfogel" ; "Meade Dillon" 


Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 2:15 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL, white, asking $5500 for Dan or Wilton



Doesn't know a camel from a palomino
Where are the engine photos
This car really had a $80,000 sticker price?  I don't think so...

On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 1:45 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/5026116005.html

This has been advertised for several months now, seller may be open to 
more

reasonable offer...

-
Max
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL, white, asking $5500 for Dan or Wilton

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Doesn't know a camel from a palomino
Where are the engine photos
This car really had a $80,000 sticker price?  I don't think so...

On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 1:45 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/5026116005.html
>
> This has been advertised for several months now, seller may be open to more
> reasonable offer...
>
> -
> Max
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[MBZ] 1991 350 SDL, white, asking $5500 for Dan or Wilton

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/5026116005.html

This has been advertised for several months now, seller may be open to more
reasonable offer...

-
Max
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL mercedes - $1000

[John Freer]

The Rod Bender strikes again.

On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 6:36 AM, Rich Thomas
 wrote:
>
>   1991 350 SDL mercedes - $1000 (mount pleasant)
>
> 
> Reply to: sale-984301...@craigslist.org
> 
> ^[? ]
> Date: 2009-01-07, 7:25PM EST
>
>
> I am removing my engine because of a busted piston. The rest of it is in
> good shape I will take best offer...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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[MBZ] 1991 350 SDL mercedes - $1000

[Rich Thomas]

   1991 350 SDL mercedes - $1000 (mount pleasant)


Reply to: sale-984301...@craigslist.org 
 
^[? ]

Date: 2009-01-07, 7:25PM EST


I am removing my engine because of a busted piston. The rest of it is in 
good shape I will take best offer...








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Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL

[Craig McCluskey]

On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 19:00:03 -0400 ANGELO GIAIMO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> I passed the information to my friends in Jacksonville (Technically,
> Mayport, to those who know the area).  She's still deciding what to do. 
> I KNOW if she decides to sell it, she'll probably offer it to me first. 
> BTW, it's white with grey leather interrior.
> 
> When it becomes available, I'll let you all know.

We'll be waiting.


> Sorry for not getting back sooner;  My wife and I are involved with
> potential guardenship of her dad.wish us luck.  It's a mess.

I'm sorry you're having to go through that. My 84 year old dad is having
short-term memory problems and my siblings and I are considering whether
he needs a higher level of care than someone coming in for a few hours
morning and evening.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL

[ANGELO GIAIMO]

I passed the information to my friends in Jacksonville (Technically,
Mayport, to those who know the area).  She's still deciding what to do.  I
KNOW if she decides to sell it, she'll probably offer it to me first.  BTW,
it's white with grey leather interrior.

When it becomes available, I'll let you all know.

Sorry for not getting back sooner;  My wife and I are involved with
potential guardenship of her dad.wish us luck.  It's a mess.

Thanks,

Angelo Giaimo/Fishkill/IBM @ IBMUS
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Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL

[Marshall Booth]

Mitch Haley wrote:

Marshall Booth wrote:

The early 603s had sleeves. Starting ABOUT mid '87 the 602/603 engines
stopped being sleeved.


Any easy way to know if my 190Dt is sleeved?


Not that I know of. They say they started eliminating the sleeves 
starting in '87, but the only engine that I can find a clear production 
breakpoint for were the 602.911 engines that were changed over in 8/89. 
All OM603.97 engines did NOT have sleeves. All other OM60x engines 
seemed to have sleeves in early versions and no sleeves sometime 
(starting in '87). Apparently the other 602/603 engines were slowly 
changed over (some were - some weren't) from '87 thru '89.


Marshall
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turbo 237kmi

Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL

[Mitch Haley]

Marshall Booth wrote:
> 
> The early 603s had sleeves. Starting ABOUT mid '87 the 602/603 engines
> stopped being sleeved.

Any easy way to know if my 190Dt is sleeved?

Mitch.

Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL

[Marshall Booth]

Peter Frederick wrote:

Marshall:

Isn't the 603 originally equipped with sleeved bores?  I would think 
that replacing the sleeves would be a much better practice than boring 
them oversize


The early 603s had sleeves. Starting ABOUT mid '87 the 602/603 engines 
stopped being sleeved. None of the 603.97 engines were sleeved and 
Mercedes FORBIDS sleeving them - that are to be rebored. Not sure all of 
the ramifications of this.


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL

[Zeitgeist]

I've been wondering about this as well.  I don't understand why these
engines are considered toast if the sleeves get a bit ovaled.  Can't
they just be pressed out and new ones installed in their place?

On 12/3/05, Peter Frederick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Marshall:
>
> Isn't the 603 originally equipped with sleeved bores?  I would think
> that replacing the sleeves would be a much better practice than boring
> them oversize

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Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL

[Peter Frederick]

Marshall:

Isn't the 603 originally equipped with sleeved bores?  I would think 
that replacing the sleeves would be a much better practice than boring 
them oversize


Peter
On Saturday, December 3, 2005, at 04:01  PM, Marshall Booth wrote:


dave walton wrote:

Time will tell, and I realize it's only a matter of time. I don't
doubt that there is a lot of engineering that went into this engine
that is now shot to hell because of the heavier rod I put in. Although
it was to some extent BAD engineering, or else owners of this lovely
engine would not have consistently had all these problems. It's a
shame Mercedes won't step up to the plate and admit their mistakes -
and tell us how to fix them.


Mercedes has demonstrated how to do it. YOU REBUILD THE ENGINE - make 
it

meet new specks using the revised rods. ALL of their rebuilds no longer
have the problem (and some rebuilds have more than 10 years and 400kmi
on them). They replaced all the rods, rebored the cylinders and the
pistons, cranks, etc., were replaced as required to meet original 
specs.

They also warn (in the engine manual) that the engine MUST NOT be
sleeved. The aftermarket rebuilds I know of have shown VERY poor
reliability (more than 50% have failed) but I don't know why (maybe
because there is a lot pressure to do it cheap).

A major problem is that once there is ANY symptom of the problem, the
engine is already damaged and must be completely rebuilt (may even be
sufficiently damaged and need to be rebuilt well BEFORE there are any
symptoms). That's what Mercedes did, as soon as a car was presented 
with

ANY symptoms, the only fix offered was to replace the engine - and they
paid for it if it was within warranty or to MOST original owners even
well past the warranty period.

Mercedes COMPLETELY fulfilled their warranties (on both new and used
cars) and even extended the warranties to original owners.

Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL

[David Brodbeck]

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
> why would a set of rods cost $2500?

Because it's a Mercedes.  Heck, a front license plate bracket is $50.

Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL

[David Brodbeck]

Jim Cathey wrote:
>>So does the weight of the connecting rod on the crankshaft not matter?
>>Or does it balance itself out across all cylinders if they weigh the
>>same?
> 
> 
> Speculation here, that it is of less importance in an I6 (or any I3N)
> configuration, for the same reason that three-phase power is efficient
> and smooth.

Pretty much.  In an I-6 no extra counterbalancing on the crankshaft is
needed.  The engine is inherently balanced if all the rods/pistons weigh
the same and the timing is consistent for all the cylinders.  (This is
also true for a V-12, because it's two I-6 engines tied together.)

V-8s are not inherently balanced, and on a typical cross-plane V-8
that's made up for by adding counterweights to the crankshaft.  I
believe then the actual weight of the rods becomes important.  Combined
with a 90-degree bank angle, this makes a balanced engine, except that
the firing order is not balanced between the banks, which gives those
engines their distinctive sound.

Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL

[dave walton]

Marshall Booth wrote:
Mercedes COMPLETELY fulfilled their warranties (on both new and used
cars) and even extended the warranties to original owners.

dave walton wrote:
So did the manufacturers of the YUGO.

could not resist :-)

-Dave Walton
94 S350, 99 E300


On 12/3/05, Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> dave walton wrote:
> > Time will tell, and I realize it's only a matter of time. I don't
> > doubt that there is a lot of engineering that went into this engine
> > that is now shot to hell because of the heavier rod I put in. Although
> > it was to some extent BAD engineering, or else owners of this lovely
> > engine would not have consistently had all these problems. It's a
> > shame Mercedes won't step up to the plate and admit their mistakes -
> > and tell us how to fix them.
>
> Mercedes has demonstrated how to do it. YOU REBUILD THE ENGINE - make it
> meet new specks using the revised rods. ALL of their rebuilds no longer
> have the problem (and some rebuilds have more than 10 years and 400kmi
> on them). They replaced all the rods, rebored the cylinders and the
> pistons, cranks, etc., were replaced as required to meet original specs.
> They also warn (in the engine manual) that the engine MUST NOT be
> sleeved. The aftermarket rebuilds I know of have shown VERY poor
> reliability (more than 50% have failed) but I don't know why (maybe
> because there is a lot pressure to do it cheap).
>
> A major problem is that once there is ANY symptom of the problem, the
> engine is already damaged and must be completely rebuilt (may even be
> sufficiently damaged and need to be rebuilt well BEFORE there are any
> symptoms). That's what Mercedes did, as soon as a car was presented with
> ANY symptoms, the only fix offered was to replace the engine - and they
> paid for it if it was within warranty or to MOST original owners even
> well past the warranty period.
>
> Mercedes COMPLETELY fulfilled their warranties (on both new and used
> cars) and even extended the warranties to original owners.
>
> Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL

[Marshall Booth]

dave walton wrote:

Time will tell, and I realize it's only a matter of time. I don't
doubt that there is a lot of engineering that went into this engine
that is now shot to hell because of the heavier rod I put in. Although
it was to some extent BAD engineering, or else owners of this lovely
engine would not have consistently had all these problems. It's a
shame Mercedes won't step up to the plate and admit their mistakes -
and tell us how to fix them.


Mercedes has demonstrated how to do it. YOU REBUILD THE ENGINE - make it 
meet new specks using the revised rods. ALL of their rebuilds no longer 
have the problem (and some rebuilds have more than 10 years and 400kmi 
on them). They replaced all the rods, rebored the cylinders and the 
pistons, cranks, etc., were replaced as required to meet original specs. 
They also warn (in the engine manual) that the engine MUST NOT be 
sleeved. The aftermarket rebuilds I know of have shown VERY poor 
reliability (more than 50% have failed) but I don't know why (maybe 
because there is a lot pressure to do it cheap).


A major problem is that once there is ANY symptom of the problem, the 
engine is already damaged and must be completely rebuilt (may even be 
sufficiently damaged and need to be rebuilt well BEFORE there are any 
symptoms). That's what Mercedes did, as soon as a car was presented with 
ANY symptoms, the only fix offered was to replace the engine - and they 
paid for it if it was within warranty or to MOST original owners even 
well past the warranty period.


Mercedes COMPLETELY fulfilled their warranties (on both new and used 
cars) and even extended the warranties to original owners.


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL

[l02turner]

Not sure if I'm following your question or not - but during the balancing 
procedure, the rods and pistons are all matched so they're within a certain 
tolerance - which should be given in the workshop manual, then, dummy 
weights, of the same weight as the pistons & rods are attached to the 
crankshaft in place of the rods/pistons - I think the weight is called a 
Bob -- but it's been a lonnngg time - IIRC, the position of the bob on 
the crank is dependant on the # of pistons which is divided into 360 so 
they're equally spread around the crank.  Then, the crank is spun to certain 
rpm's, it's balance noted and adjusted - similar to a tire balancer - but 
you have to be waaayy back from the balancing machine because of the bobs 
sticking out.


Hope this makes some sense -

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To: "Mercedes mailing list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 12:43 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL



So does the weight of the connecting rod on the crankshaft not matter?
Or does it balance itself out across all cylinders if they weigh the
same?
As I recall, the Mercedes documentation made reference to adjusting
the counterbalance weight when replacing the connecting rods, but I
could not find any detail on how to do that. The Techs at my local
dealer were, as usual, clueless.

Thanks

-Dave Walton
94 S350, 99 E300

On 12/3/05, OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

The usual procedure used to be to balance the rods to all be within a
certain tolerence (1 gram.?), balance the crankshaft with the
flywheel, balancer, front pulley, etc. as one unit, balance the
pistons and wrist pins to within a given tolerence, then assemble.

So, by changing just one rod, you'd make the entire assembly 
out-of-balance.


On 12/3/05, dave walton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I figured replacing the one was safer since I had no idea how to go
> about rebalancing the offset weight on the crankshaft to accommodate
> the heaver rod. Having one of them off balance is better than six,
> right?
>
> -Dave Walton
> 94 S350, 99 E300
>
> On 12/2/05, Peter Frederick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > That's cheaper than what I remember from when I bought my 300d (with
> > possible head/rod problems, turned out to be bad pressure valve 
> > holder
> > seals, thank heavens!).  Still $1200 or so if you have to buy six, 
> > and

> > you will on an older engine as you cannot have unbalanced sets.
> >
> > Peter
> >
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Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL

[OK Don]

Back when I was starting with engines that were un-balanced from the
factory (GM and British Leyland), we had the crank and all rotating
parts balanced as a unit, then adjusted the weight of the crank ends
of the rods to be equal to the lightest one, adjusted the total weight
of the rods to equal the lightest one by removing weight from the
piston end, then checked the crank ends again. I think that if you
have enough rods/pistons they balance each other and you don't have to
counter-balance them on the crank.

I've never read the Mercedes documentation though, and I'm sure
they're better at this than us shade tree mechanics -- --

On 12/3/05, dave walton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So does the weight of the connecting rod on the crankshaft not matter?
> Or does it balance itself out across all cylinders if they weigh the
> same?
> As I recall, the Mercedes documentation made reference to adjusting
> the counterbalance weight when replacing the connecting rods, but I
> could not find any detail on how to do that. The Techs at my local
> dealer were, as usual, clueless.
>
> Thanks
>
> -Dave Walton
> 94 S350, 99 E300

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Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL

[dave walton]

Time will tell, and I realize it's only a matter of time. I don't
doubt that there is a lot of engineering that went into this engine
that is now shot to hell because of the heavier rod I put in. Although
it was to some extent BAD engineering, or else owners of this lovely
engine would not have consistently had all these problems. It's a
shame Mercedes won't step up to the plate and admit their mistakes -
and tell us how to fix them.

-Dave Walton
94 S350, 99 E300

On 12/3/05, Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > So does the weight of the connecting rod on the crankshaft not matter?
> > Or does it balance itself out across all cylinders if they weigh the
> > same?
>
> Speculation here, that it is of less importance in an I6 (or any I3N)
> configuration, for the same reason that three-phase power is efficient
> and smooth.  In a one-lunger, obviously the rod/piston is
> counterbalanced
> by some other means.  I'm unconvinced, however, that rod weight is
> irrelevant if they all match, there may be second-order effects that
> matter over the long haul.
>
> I don't think that putting in one heavier rod was a good idea, but
> you may well get away with it.
>
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL

[Jim Cathey]

So does the weight of the connecting rod on the crankshaft not matter?
Or does it balance itself out across all cylinders if they weigh the
same?


Speculation here, that it is of less importance in an I6 (or any I3N)
configuration, for the same reason that three-phase power is efficient
and smooth.  In a one-lunger, obviously the rod/piston is 
counterbalanced

by some other means.  I'm unconvinced, however, that rod weight is
irrelevant if they all match, there may be second-order effects that
matter over the long haul.

I don't think that putting in one heavier rod was a good idea, but
you may well get away with it.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL

[dave walton]

So does the weight of the connecting rod on the crankshaft not matter?
Or does it balance itself out across all cylinders if they weigh the
same?
As I recall, the Mercedes documentation made reference to adjusting
the counterbalance weight when replacing the connecting rods, but I
could not find any detail on how to do that. The Techs at my local
dealer were, as usual, clueless.

Thanks

-Dave Walton
94 S350, 99 E300

On 12/3/05, OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The usual procedure used to be to balance the rods to all be within a
> certain tolerence (1 gram.?), balance the crankshaft with the
> flywheel, balancer, front pulley, etc. as one unit, balance the
> pistons and wrist pins to within a given tolerence, then assemble.
>
> So, by changing just one rod, you'd make the entire assembly out-of-balance.
>
> On 12/3/05, dave walton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I figured replacing the one was safer since I had no idea how to go
> > about rebalancing the offset weight on the crankshaft to accommodate
> > the heaver rod. Having one of them off balance is better than six,
> > right?
> >
> > -Dave Walton
> > 94 S350, 99 E300
> >
> > On 12/2/05, Peter Frederick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > That's cheaper than what I remember from when I bought my 300d (with
> > > possible head/rod problems, turned out to be bad pressure valve holder
> > > seals, thank heavens!).  Still $1200 or so if you have to buy six, and
> > > you will on an older engine as you cannot have unbalanced sets.
> > >
> > > Peter
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL

[OK Don]

The usual procedure used to be to balance the rods to all be within a
certain tolerence (1 gram.?), balance the crankshaft with the
flywheel, balancer, front pulley, etc. as one unit, balance the
pistons and wrist pins to within a given tolerence, then assemble.

So, by changing just one rod, you'd make the entire assembly out-of-balance.

On 12/3/05, dave walton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I figured replacing the one was safer since I had no idea how to go
> about rebalancing the offset weight on the crankshaft to accommodate
> the heaver rod. Having one of them off balance is better than six,
> right?
>
> -Dave Walton
> 94 S350, 99 E300
>
> On 12/2/05, Peter Frederick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > That's cheaper than what I remember from when I bought my 300d (with
> > possible head/rod problems, turned out to be bad pressure valve holder
> > seals, thank heavens!).  Still $1200 or so if you have to buy six, and
> > you will on an older engine as you cannot have unbalanced sets.
> >
> > Peter
> >
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Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL

[dave walton]

I figured replacing the one was safer since I had no idea how to go
about rebalancing the offset weight on the crankshaft to accommodate
the heaver rod. Having one of them off balance is better than six,
right?

-Dave Walton
94 S350, 99 E300

On 12/2/05, Peter Frederick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That's cheaper than what I remember from when I bought my 300d (with
> possible head/rod problems, turned out to be bad pressure valve holder
> seals, thank heavens!).  Still $1200 or so if you have to buy six, and
> you will on an older engine as you cannot have unbalanced sets.
>
> Peter
>
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Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL

[Peter Frederick]

That's cheaper than what I remember from when I bought my 300d (with 
possible head/rod problems, turned out to be bad pressure valve holder 
seals, thank heavens!).  Still $1200 or so if you have to buy six, and 
you will on an older engine as you cannot have unbalanced sets.


Peter

Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL

[dave walton]

I bought 1 replacement rod from my local dealer for my 603.971. They
quoted me $140 and charged me $190 when it came in. Typical
Yes, I probably should have replaced the rest of them, but they were
in spec and if this repair does not last, I'll go the replacement
engine route.

YMMV (pun intended)

-Dave Walton
94 S350, 99 E300

On 12/2/05, Peter Frederick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I believe the updated rods will fix the problem (they are about 50g
> heavier that the originals) -- and only the updated rods are available
> for 603 engines.  You have to buy the whole set ($2500 or so) plus new
> pistons (another $2500) and have new sleeves installed, plus crank work
> if they bent enough to distort the crankpin bearing.
>
> A crate motor is cheaper unless you are doing the work yourself.
>
> Peter
>
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Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL

[Peter Frederick]

The engineering "world" seems to think the problem was inadequate rod 
strength.  The 3.5L engine used exactly the same rods as the 3.0L 
engine in spite of the higher horsepower and piston weight, and they 
bend in use.  There are some indications that accumulated soot in the 
intake manifold may be a cause, but since a 617 will happily tolerate 
pistons hitting the valves (slip the chain one tooth late...) hard 
enough to make impressions in the piston crowns without immediate 
damage, it's likely the rods weren't strong enough.


They have been re-designed several time, and the latest ones are much 
heavier than the originals.  Only the new ones are available as 
replacements, and you need all 6 -- very expensive.


MB has never admitted a problem.

Peter

Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL

[Peter Frederick]

You will have to ask Daimler that.  They are VERY expensive for engine 
rods.


Peter

Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL

[Marshall Booth]

Bill Aston wrote:
Marshall-- Yours is the first indication   I have seen that failure 
may be due to inadequate oil or block temperatures...is this something 
that is well known to others ?  Somehow  I had always equated this 
problem to prolonged high RPM use or inferior castings.


The rod problem with OM603.97 engines seems due to a design that was 
inadequate. ALL of the replacements (and the replacements are NOT 
failing) share ONLY one thing - different rods (some also have different 
pistons and different oiling schemes, etc.). Nobody actually has a clear 
picture about exactly why engines fail, but high mileage engines that 
were largely highway driven DIDN'T fail often while cars that were 
largely city driven had a higher failure rate (more than 50%) while the 
replacement engines are holding up just like older Mercedes diesels.


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[MBZ] 1991 350 SDL

[Bill Aston]

Marshall-- Yours is the first indication   I have seen that failure 
may be due to inadequate oil or block temperatures...is this something 
that is well known to others ?  Somehow  I had always equated this 
problem to prolonged high RPM use or inferior castings.


Please Doctor,  exactly why did these jewels fail ?Always learning !

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Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL

[Marshall Booth]

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
So is there any quick and easy way to tell by looking at the engine if 
it was a MB replacment engine if a person was out looking to buy one?


Not that I know of (Mercedes used to use precisely the same engine 
number for a replacement engine - they may or may not still do that).


You MAY be able to check the VIN number with Mercedes to see if an 
engine was ever purchased for that car (they have that kind of 
information for major assemblies like engines, transmissions, steering 
boxes, differentials, etc. on record)!


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Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

why would a set of rods cost $2500?

Peter Frederick wrote:

I believe the updated rods will fix the problem (they are about 50g 
heavier that the originals) -- and only the updated rods are available 
for 603 engines.  You have to buy the whole set ($2500 or so) plus new 
pistons (another $2500) and have new sleeves installed, plus crank work 
if they bent enough to distort the crankpin bearing.


A crate motor is cheaper unless you are doing the work yourself.

Peter


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Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL

[Peter Frederick]

I believe the updated rods will fix the problem (they are about 50g 
heavier that the originals) -- and only the updated rods are available 
for 603 engines.  You have to buy the whole set ($2500 or so) plus new 
pistons (another $2500) and have new sleeves installed, plus crank work 
if they bent enough to distort the crankpin bearing.


A crate motor is cheaper unless you are doing the work yourself.

Peter

Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

So is there any quick and easy way to tell by looking at the engine if 
it was a MB replacment engine if a person was out looking to buy one?


Marshall Booth wrote:


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I know others have said a new MB crate engine is the only way to go -- my 
question is how long would the original, damaged engine last?



Some engines failed before 50kmi. Most of those were in city driven 
cars. The majority of the failures occurred before the cars reached 
150kmi. A very few between 150-300kmi. There are still a few thousand 
original engines still running - many running well and some with well 
over 250-300kmi of service. These are almost all cars that see little 
except highway miles - are driven many hundreds of miles for every cold 
start and see little short hop mileage.


NO reliable way to tell how long an engine will last (unless your 
crystal ball is a lot better than mine), BUT once accelerated oil 
consumption is noted (more than about a qt in 2kmi) it's rare for the 
engine to last even a year - consumption just keeps going higher and 
higher! Rarely, a rod will fail (snap and go thru the side of the block) 
before oil consumption becomes excessive, but that accounts for only a 
tiny fraction (1-2%) of the failures I've had reported.


Marshall


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Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL

[Marshall Booth]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I know others have said a new MB crate engine is the only way to go -- my 
question is how long would the original, damaged engine last?


Some engines failed before 50kmi. Most of those were in city driven 
cars. The majority of the failures occurred before the cars reached 
150kmi. A very few between 150-300kmi. There are still a few thousand 
original engines still running - many running well and some with well 
over 250-300kmi of service. These are almost all cars that see little 
except highway miles - are driven many hundreds of miles for every cold 
start and see little short hop mileage.


NO reliable way to tell how long an engine will last (unless your 
crystal ball is a lot better than mine), BUT once accelerated oil 
consumption is noted (more than about a qt in 2kmi) it's rare for the 
engine to last even a year - consumption just keeps going higher and 
higher! Rarely, a rod will fail (snap and go thru the side of the block) 
before oil consumption becomes excessive, but that accounts for only a 
tiny fraction (1-2%) of the failures I've had reported.


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL

[Marshall Booth]

Zeitgeist wrote:

Other than the passenger side airbag, and of course the amazing Uri
Geller-like rod-bending magic in the engine compartment, what's
different between the '86 -'87 300SDL and '90< 350SDL?


Mercedes made a few little upgrades to the 126 chassis every year - 
including the last year. For the engine and drivetrain the head, 
headgasket, preglow system, overboost control, EGR control, valve 
lifters and transmission were all modified - some several times. I'm 
sure that I left out FAR more than I included in MY list.


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL

[Peter Frederick]

Depends on whether the rods bend or not.  If so, usually pretty short 
life (much less than 100,000 miles).  I not, I've seen one with 350,000 
in for an oil change, never been worked on.


Peter

Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL

[l02turner]

I know others have said a new MB crate engine is the only way to go -- my 
question is how long would the original, damaged engine last?


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- Original Message - 
From: "Jim Keefe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 11:23 PM
Subject: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL



160k miles, good condition, worth $5600?



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Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL

[Aaron Lam]

Casey,

The interior was upgraded, and that included the new-style seats which
IMO, are infinitely many times better than the old type, pleated
leather door panels instead of the flat perforated leather, and a 
wooden roll-top center console box. To compensate for lack of a
glovebox, the passenger's side underdash panel was sculpted to allow
for small storage space for sunglasses, etc. Other minor interior
changes included a better stereo with speakers in the front doors, an
illuminated sunroof switch, and a leather wrapped steering wheel +
shift knob.

-Aaron
1987 300D
1987 300TD

Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL

[Desert Rat]

Very nice interior upgrade starting in MY 1989..

On 12/1/05, Dave M. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Tom's answer pretty much mirrors my thoughts. Could be a really nice
> car if you want a late W126 diesel, and are willing to deal with
> potential engine problems. If you're not familiar with the ill-fated,
> rod-bending 3.5L diesel, here's some info for you:
>
> http://www.mbz.org/info/complaints/350SD/
>
> :-)
>
> -Dave M.
>
> > --
> > Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:39:59 -0600
> > From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL
> >
> >
> > All depends, has the engine been replaced yet. And if not, does it use any
> > oil?
> >
> > If the first answer is "Yes" then it's probably worth the price.
> >
> > If both answers are "no" then it's probably still worth the price as long as
> > you understand that you may be facing engine issues in the near future.
> >
> > If the engine has not been replaced and it's using any amount of oil then
> > I'd run away, fast. And then, maybe Kaleb can buy it for $500.00..
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Tom Hargrave
> > 256-656-1924
> > www.kegkits.com
>
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Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL

[Dave M.]

Hi,

Tom's answer pretty much mirrors my thoughts. Could be a really nice
car if you want a late W126 diesel, and are willing to deal with
potential engine problems. If you're not familiar with the ill-fated,
rod-bending 3.5L diesel, here's some info for you:

http://www.mbz.org/info/complaints/350SD/

:-)

-Dave M.

> --
> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:39:59 -0600
> From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL
>
>
> All depends, has the engine been replaced yet. And if not, does it use any
> oil?
>
> If the first answer is "Yes" then it's probably worth the price.
>
> If both answers are "no" then it's probably still worth the price as long as
> you understand that you may be facing engine issues in the near future.
>
> If the engine has not been replaced and it's using any amount of oil then
> I'd run away, fast. And then, maybe Kaleb can buy it for $500.00..
>
> Thanks,
> Tom Hargrave
> 256-656-1924
> www.kegkits.com

Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL

[Zeitgeist]

Other than the passenger side airbag, and of course the amazing Uri
Geller-like rod-bending magic in the engine compartment, what's
different between the '86 -'87 300SDL and '90< 350SDL?

Casey
Olympia, WA
Biodiesel: "I drive in a persistent vegetative state"
'87 300TD intercooler (211k)
'84 300D (207k)
Gashuffer:
'89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (186K)

Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL

[Marshall Booth]

Jim Keefe wrote:

160k miles, good condition, worth $5600?


Only if it has a NEW engine in it or you are willing to put one in 
yourself!


Marshall

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turbo 237kmi

Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL

[Peter Frederick]

Yes, it's the last of the really good MBs.

Peter

Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL

[Tom Hargrave]

All depends, has the engine been replaced yet. And if not, does it use any
oil?
 
If the first answer is "Yes" then it's probably worth the price.

If both answers are "no" then it's probably still worth the price as long as
you understand that you may be facing engine issues in the near future.

If the engine has not been replaced and it's using any amount of oil then
I'd run away, fast. And then, maybe Kaleb can buy it for $500.00..

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
256-656-1924
www.kegkits.com

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Subject: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL

160k miles, good condition, worth $5600?



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Re: [MBZ] 1991 350 SDL

[Sunil Hari]

new engine or not?

On 11/30/05, Jim Keefe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 160k miles, good condition, worth $5600?
>
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[MBZ] 1991 350 SDL

[Jim Keefe]

160k miles, good condition, worth $5600?