[MBZ] 240D shifter
Rick, That is not unreasonable, I’ll try to find a shifter first then that. He has a lot of work and likes to choose what he wants to do. JI [Have the Indy take the old shifter off, help him push the car out the door, have him install new bushings, help him push the car back in, reinstall the shifter. Probably take longer to move the car than fix it. Or option B, find a new Indy.] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Shifter
I think Jamie is right. My '85 190D had some weird shifter issues, it's been a long time but I remember not being able to find reverse reliably and having to push it out of a couple parking spaces. New shifter bushings fixed it. -Curt On Monday, May 10, 2021, 9:19:32 PM EDT, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes wrote: HI John, Most likely the bushings on each end of the shift rods (there are three of them, so 6 bushings) are probably gone. This causes the levers on the shifter to end up in odd places and occasionally jam. There are also bushing in the shifter itself that can contribute to the problem. Best action is to order up all the bushings from the classic center and spend a weekend rebuilding everything. You'll be surprised by how nice it can all be when repaired properly. Good luck Jaime On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 8:07 PM John Ingram via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Hello list, > I have a ’83 240D with a 4 speed manual. The car has about 330K miles. I > was driving today and when shifting into 2nd gear the shifter got stuck in > neutral position and would not move in any direction, I pulled and pushed > the lever and it freed up and I continued on everything working fine. I > headed home and on a hill had to downshift into first and the shifter > suddenly felt like it was not connected to anything. The car was still in > 3rd gear but I couldn’t start out in 3rd and it stalled. I started the > engine and the shifter and transmission worked normally the rest of the way > home. The problem is intermittent, from normal to stuck to normal to > disconnected to normal. > Has anyone ever experienced this on a 240D 4-speed? Any ideas as to what > it could be? > > Thank you > John Ingram > Maryland > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Shifter
What Jaime said. I never had one get that bad, but I did replace a bunch of those bushings over the years --- On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 8:19 PM Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > HI John, > Most likely the bushings on each end of the shift rods (there are three of > them, so 6 bushings) are probably gone. This causes the levers on the > shifter to end up in odd places and occasionally jam. There are also > bushing in the shifter itself that can contribute to the problem. Best > action is to order up all the bushings from the classic center and spend a > weekend rebuilding everything. You'll be surprised by how nice it can all > be when repaired properly. > > Good luck > Jaime > > > On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 8:07 PM John Ingram via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > Hello list, > > I have a ’83 240D with a 4 speed manual. The car has about 330K miles. > I > > was driving today and when shifting into 2nd gear the shifter got stuck > in > > neutral position and would not move in any direction, I pulled and pushed > > the lever and it freed up and I continued on everything working fine. I > > headed home and on a hill had to downshift into first and the shifter > > suddenly felt like it was not connected to anything. The car was still > in > > 3rd gear but I couldn’t start out in 3rd and it stalled. I started the > > engine and the shifter and transmission worked normally the rest of the > way > > home. The problem is intermittent, from normal to stuck to normal to > > disconnected to normal. > > Has anyone ever experienced this on a 240D 4-speed? Any ideas as to what > > it could be? > > > > Thank you > > John Ingram > > Maryland > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > -- > Jaime Kopchinski > http://www.jaimekop.com/ > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” Wernher Von Braun 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Shifter
Agreed, I had a Vanagon with a manual and it was hard to find the gears when I first got it. Replacing all the bushings and following the service manual procedure to adjust the linkage made a world of difference. Allan Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes writes: > HI John, > Most likely the bushings on each end of the shift rods (there are three of > them, so 6 bushings) are probably gone. This causes the levers on the > shifter to end up in odd places and occasionally jam. There are also > bushing in the shifter itself that can contribute to the problem. Best > action is to order up all the bushings from the classic center and spend a > weekend rebuilding everything. You'll be surprised by how nice it can all > be when repaired properly. > > Good luck > Jaime > > > On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 8:07 PM John Ingram via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> Hello list, >> I have a ’83 240D with a 4 speed manual. The car has about 330K miles. I >> was driving today and when shifting into 2nd gear the shifter got stuck in >> neutral position and would not move in any direction, I pulled and pushed >> the lever and it freed up and I continued on everything working fine. I >> headed home and on a hill had to downshift into first and the shifter >> suddenly felt like it was not connected to anything. The car was still in >> 3rd gear but I couldn’t start out in 3rd and it stalled. I started the >> engine and the shifter and transmission worked normally the rest of the way >> home. The problem is intermittent, from normal to stuck to normal to >> disconnected to normal. >> Has anyone ever experienced this on a 240D 4-speed? Any ideas as to what >> it could be? >> >> Thank you >> John Ingram >> Maryland ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Shifter
Happened to my 280SE 3.5 coupe as the tech was backing out of the shop. Lost all control. As it occurred at the end of the day and meant they had to keep the car another day, it was very embarrassing. On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 9:19 PM Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > HI John, > Most likely the bushings on each end of the shift rods (there are three of > them, so 6 bushings) are probably gone. This causes the levers on the > shifter to end up in odd places and occasionally jam. There are also > bushing in the shifter itself that can contribute to the problem. Best > action is to order up all the bushings from the classic center and spend a > weekend rebuilding everything. You'll be surprised by how nice it can all > be when repaired properly. > > Good luck > Jaime > > > On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 8:07 PM John Ingram via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > Hello list, > > I have a ’83 240D with a 4 speed manual. The car has about 330K miles. > I > > was driving today and when shifting into 2nd gear the shifter got stuck > in > > neutral position and would not move in any direction, I pulled and pushed > > the lever and it freed up and I continued on everything working fine. I > > headed home and on a hill had to downshift into first and the shifter > > suddenly felt like it was not connected to anything. The car was still > in > > 3rd gear but I couldn’t start out in 3rd and it stalled. I started the > > engine and the shifter and transmission worked normally the rest of the > way > > home. The problem is intermittent, from normal to stuck to normal to > > disconnected to normal. > > Has anyone ever experienced this on a 240D 4-speed? Any ideas as to what > > it could be? > > > > Thank you > > John Ingram > > Maryland > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > -- > Jaime Kopchinski > http://www.jaimekop.com/ > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Shifter
HI John, Most likely the bushings on each end of the shift rods (there are three of them, so 6 bushings) are probably gone. This causes the levers on the shifter to end up in odd places and occasionally jam. There are also bushing in the shifter itself that can contribute to the problem. Best action is to order up all the bushings from the classic center and spend a weekend rebuilding everything. You'll be surprised by how nice it can all be when repaired properly. Good luck Jaime On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 8:07 PM John Ingram via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Hello list, > I have a ’83 240D with a 4 speed manual. The car has about 330K miles. I > was driving today and when shifting into 2nd gear the shifter got stuck in > neutral position and would not move in any direction, I pulled and pushed > the lever and it freed up and I continued on everything working fine. I > headed home and on a hill had to downshift into first and the shifter > suddenly felt like it was not connected to anything. The car was still in > 3rd gear but I couldn’t start out in 3rd and it stalled. I started the > engine and the shifter and transmission worked normally the rest of the way > home. The problem is intermittent, from normal to stuck to normal to > disconnected to normal. > Has anyone ever experienced this on a 240D 4-speed? Any ideas as to what > it could be? > > Thank you > John Ingram > Maryland > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 240D Shifter
Hello list, I have a ’83 240D with a 4 speed manual. The car has about 330K miles. I was driving today and when shifting into 2nd gear the shifter got stuck in neutral position and would not move in any direction, I pulled and pushed the lever and it freed up and I continued on everything working fine. I headed home and on a hill had to downshift into first and the shifter suddenly felt like it was not connected to anything. The car was still in 3rd gear but I couldn’t start out in 3rd and it stalled. I started the engine and the shifter and transmission worked normally the rest of the way home. The problem is intermittent, from normal to stuck to normal to disconnected to normal. Has anyone ever experienced this on a 240D 4-speed? Any ideas as to what it could be? Thank you John Ingram Maryland ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 240D Shifter Problem
Hello list, I have a ’83 240D with a 4 speed manual. The car has about 330K miles. I was driving today and when shifting into 2nd gear the shifter got stuck in neutral position and would not move in any direction, I pulled and pushed the lever and it freed up and I continued on everything working fine. I headed home and on a hill had to downshift into first and the shifter suddenly felt like it was not connected to anything. The car was still in 3rd gear but I couldn’t start out in 3rd and it stalled. I started the engine and the shifter and transmission worked normally the rest of the way home. The problem is intermittent, from normal to stuck to normal to disconnected to normal. Has anyone ever experienced this on a 240D 4-speed? Any ideas as to what it could be? Thank you John Ingram Maryland ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Shifter
Brian- I'll try that. So, if it were working properly would I have to pull up on the shifter to get into reverse? Yeah, unless the mechanism is worn (as you suspect). Or is it push down? I think the 4-sp and 5-sp trannies differ in this area. Once I'd gone through the Frankenheap's shifter everything started working a lot better. With the slop in the bushing repaired the necessary actions got a lot crisper. (Heap had a nasty twist in the knob because one side of the shaft was unpinned in the plastic bushing. Really unpleasant to use.) Where is the worn plastic bushing and how do I get at it and fix it? It's socketed in the top of the shifter mechanism, where the shaft holding the knob goes in. I believe there is a collar that unscrews from the top that releases the shaft/pin/bushing assembly. Looks like a 50-cent part that's meant to be replaced from time to time, but isn't necessarily easy to come by! My notes, such as they are, are in http://cathey.dogear.com/frankenheap.html on December 14, 2005. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] 240D Shifter
Brian- I'll try that. So, if it were working properly would I have to pull up on the shifter to get into reverse? Yeah, unless the mechanism is worn (as you suspect). Or is it push down? I think the 4-sp and 5-sp trannies differ in this area. Once I'd gone through the Frankenheap's shifter everything started working a lot better. With the slop in the bushing repaired the necessary actions got a lot crisper. (Heap had a nasty twist in the knob because one side of the shaft was unpinned in the plastic bushing. Really unpleasant to use.) Where is the worn plastic bushing and how do I get at it and fix it? It's socketed in the top of the shifter mechanism, where the shaft holding the knob goes in. I believe there is a collar that unscrews from the top that releases the shaft/pin/bushing assembly. Looks like a 50-cent part that's meant to be replaced from time to time, but isn't necessarily easy to come by! My notes, such as they are, are in http://cathey.dogear.com/frankenheap.html on December 14, 2005. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] 240D Shifter
In the meantime, does it help if you push toward the ground as you move it into first? I've started doing that after a couple grinds. I'm not sure if my bushing is warn, or if I just had a tendency to lift up slightly upon seleting first gear. Brian 83 240D On 7/11/06, John Ingram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The 4-speed shifter in my 240D has a worn reverse lock out. It allows me to accidently hit reverse while trying to find 1st gear. I hear that the 4-speed shifter used on the 115 chassis 240Ds is better and does not develop this problem. Does anyone know if they are interchangeable? Does anyone know how I could fix the one in the car? Thanks, John Ingram 83 240D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D Shifter
In the meantime, does it help if you push toward the ground as you move it into first? I've started doing that after a couple grinds. I'm not sure if my bushing is warn, or if I just had a tendency to lift up slightly upon seleting first gear. I 'repaired' the worn plastic bushing in the Frankenheap's shifter using Shoe Goo. Helped a lot. -- Jim
[MBZ] 240D Shifter
The 4-speed shifter in my 240D has a worn reverse lock out. It allows me to accidently hit reverse while trying to find 1st gear. I hear that the 4-speed shifter used on the 115 chassis 240Ds is better and does not develop this problem. Does anyone know if they are interchangeable? Does anyone know how I could fix the one in the car? Thanks, John Ingram 83 240D
Re: [MBZ] 240D Shifter
If you take the shifter out, you'll probably find that the collar on the plastic bushing has broken partially or completely off. A new bushing ordered from Germany will probably solve the problem. Meade Dillon [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent me diagrams and parts numbers which were invaluable in replacing parts that had fallen off and dropped to the road. The diagrams were on a hard drive that went bad but here are the parts number he sent later on. These refer to the drawing which you will need to identify the bushing and any missing parts: ... Key part, these parts are for From vehicle id #307216 (last part of VIN). I'm guessing that is correct given the year of your car, you'll need to verify that last numbers if VIN are greater than this. 71 -cover- 123 267 00 22 65 -bushing- 123 267 06 50 #20 (kit) = 123 260 28 39 (#'s 62, 59, 77, 107 in diagram) 80 -GUIDE- 123 260 05 76 41 -BUSHING- 115 267 22 50 14 -SHIFTING TUBE- 123 260 18 82 17 -pin- 115 991 03 01 26 -BUSHING- 115 267 07 50 29 -SPACER WASHER- 123 267 02 52 -need 2- 32 -washer- 115 990 26 40 38 -DISC SPRING- 123 993 06 26 -need 2- 44 -WASHER- 115 267 06 76 47 -SPRING- 115 993 93 03 83 -SHIFT LEVER reverse- 115 260 41 39 89 -SHIFT LEVER 1st and 2nd- 123 260 07 39 95 -SHIFT LEVER 3rd and 4th- 123 260 08 39 194 -bushing- 210 992 00 10 -need 3- 167 -lock for bushing- 000 994 29 60 -need 6- ... Meade may still have the diagrams in his computer if you contact him. Good luck. Gerry Archer '83 300D and 240D PS: I couldn't find any used shifter assemblies from the usual sources nationwide. -- - Original Message - From: John Ingram [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: New MBZ List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 8:26 AM Subject: [MBZ] 240D Shifter The 4-speed shifter in my 240D has a worn reverse lock out. It allows me to accidently hit reverse while trying to find 1st gear. I hear that the 4-speed shifter used on the 115 chassis 240Ds is better and does not develop this problem. Does anyone know if they are interchangeable? Does anyone know how I could fix the one in the car? Thanks, John Ingram 83 240D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.10/383 - Release Date: 7/7/2006
