Re: [MBZ] 240d linkage

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

They have been not available for years.  I asked Q way long ago.

They MAY come with a new cable.  They should!  It would make for a very 
expensive half gram of plastic.


Only thing I know of is to get a piece of 3/8 brass rod and machine your 
own.  The brass will last forever.  the plastic ones "only" last 40 
years or so


Or you can buy a 3d printer and make new plastic ones, and visor clips.

If someone can make a CAD file of the plastic ones, I will print some 
next summer when I have access to 3D printing.



Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
January 21, 2018 at 4:06 PM
On this 240d the linkage that comes from the pedal has 2 prongs that 
stick into the linkage on the engine and should have 2 plastic busing 
things in the holes. On this car the plastic parts are mostly missing 
so the pedal had to go about half way down before it starts moving the 
linkage. I can’t find these plastic pieces anywhere in the epc. Can 
anybody else find them?


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Re: [MBZ] 240d linkage

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I would still think this would be in the epc somewhere even if not 
available.  I guess the only other thing to do would be to adjust the 
linkage to make up for the slop created.



On 1/21/2018 8:45 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:

They have been not available for years.  I asked Q way long ago.

They MAY come with a new cable.  They should!  It would make for a 
very expensive half gram of plastic.


Only thing I know of is to get a piece of 3/8 brass rod and machine 
your own.  The brass will last forever.  the plastic ones "only" last 
40 years or so


Or you can buy a 3d printer and make new plastic ones, and visor clips.

If someone can make a CAD file of the plastic ones, I will print some 
next summer when I have access to 3D printing.



Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
January 21, 2018 at 4:06 PM
On this 240d the linkage that comes from the pedal has 2 prongs that 
stick into the linkage on the engine and should have 2 plastic busing 
things in the holes. On this car the plastic parts are mostly missing 
so the pedal had to go about half way down before it starts moving 
the linkage. I can’t find these plastic pieces anywhere in the epc. 
Can anybody else find them?


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Re: [MBZ] 240d linkage

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

If you go to a big old motorcycle shop or to an industrial supply in 
Tulsa, they might have something close,  On the BMW /5 series, there is 
a little tit that goes in the transmission to hold the clutch cable 
housing.  It might be possible to adapt wunna dem.



Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
January 21, 2018 at 8:48 PM
I would still think this would be in the epc somewhere even if not 
available.  I guess the only other thing to do would be to adjust the 
linkage to make up for the slop created.




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Re: [MBZ] 240d linkage

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

It almost looks very similar to the clip thing that goes in the linkage 
on a 124 60x vehicle.  I may try one of those.



On 1/21/2018 8:54 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
If you go to a big old motorcycle shop or to an industrial supply in 
Tulsa, they might have something close,  On the BMW /5 series, there 
is a little tit that goes in the transmission to hold the clutch cable 
housing.  It might be possible to adapt wunna dem.



Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
January 21, 2018 at 8:48 PM
I would still think this would be in the epc somewhere even if not 
available.  I guess the only other thing to do would be to adjust the 
linkage to make up for the slop created.




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Re: [MBZ] 240d linkage

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

The rectangles?
I'd carve them out of hard maple or get some brass stock, drill press, and 
file. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 240d linkage

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

I think you have to buy the whole lever.

On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 5:06 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
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> On this 240d the linkage that comes from the pedal has 2 prongs that stick
> into the linkage on the engine and should have 2 plastic busing things in
> the holes. On this car the plastic parts are mostly missing so the pedal
> had to go about half way down before it starts moving the linkage. I can’t
> find these plastic pieces anywhere in the epc. Can anybody else find them?
>
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Re: [MBZ] 240d linkage

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Here is the EPC for that engine and the injection pump/control subgroup:

http://mb-teilekatalog.info/view_GroupAction.php?lang=E&mode=BM&class=1&aggtyp=M&catalog=67A&model=616912&spmno=0&group=07

Not sure exactly what you’re looking for, but this should get you close if it’s 
available as a separate part.

-D



> On Jan 22, 2018, at 7:32 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I think you have to buy the whole lever.
> 
> On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 5:06 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> On this 240d the linkage that comes from the pedal has 2 prongs that stick
>> into the linkage on the engine and should have 2 plastic busing things in
>> the holes. On this car the plastic parts are mostly missing so the pedal
>> had to go about half way down before it starts moving the linkage. I can’t
>> find these plastic pieces anywhere in the epc. Can anybody else find them?
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 240d linkage

[tyee165 via Mercedes]

Fill with epoxy and then drill and file a new slot?


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 Date: 2018-01-21  4:06 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: 
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[MBZ] 240d linkage 
On this 240d the linkage that comes from the pedal has 2 prongs that stick into 
the linkage on the engine and should have 2 plastic busing things in the holes. 
On this car the plastic parts are mostly missing so the pedal had to go about 
half way down before it starts moving the linkage. I can’t find these plastic 
pieces anywhere in the epc. Can anybody else find them?




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Re: [MBZ] 240d linkage

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

My long-sold 123.190 had a similar problem, solved by pushing pieces of
rubber fuel hose over the ends of those prongs and then jamming the round
rubber into the square holes.  I think I had to replace the rubber once in
three years, the PO / previous mechanic had implemented that fix and it was
quite economical and got the job done.

-
Max
Charleston SC

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> On this 240d the linkage that comes from the pedal has 2 prongs that stick
> into the linkage on the engine and should have 2 plastic busing things in
> the holes. On this car the plastic parts are mostly missing so the pedal
> had to go about half way down before it starts moving the linkage.
>
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Re: [MBZ] 240d linkage

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

That is a good idea.

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> On Jan 22, 2018, at 8:31 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> My long-sold 123.190 had a similar problem, solved by pushing pieces of
> rubber fuel hose over the ends of those prongs and then jamming the round
> rubber into the square holes.  I think I had to replace the rubber once in
> three years, the PO / previous mechanic had implemented that fix and it was
> quite economical and got the job done.
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 5:06 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> On this 240d the linkage that comes from the pedal has 2 prongs that stick
>> into the linkage on the engine and should have 2 plastic busing things in
>> the holes. On this car the plastic parts are mostly missing so the pedal
>> had to go about half way down before it starts moving the linkage.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 240d linkage

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Kaleb wrote:

> On this 240d the linkage that comes from the pedal has 2 prongs
> that stick into the linkage on the engine and should have 2
> plastic busing things in the holes. On this car the plastic
> parts are mostly missing so the pedal had to go about half way
> down before it starts moving the linkage.

I used short pieces of rubber hose on those prongs.  Inside
dimension small enough to make it a snug fit.  Still holding up
well after more than a year.

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Re: [MBZ] 240d linkage

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> > On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 5:06 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> On this 240d the linkage that comes from the pedal has 2 prongs that stick
> >> into the linkage on the engine and should have 2 plastic busing things in
> >> the holes. On this car the plastic parts are mostly missing so the pedal
> >> had to go about half way down before it starts moving the linkage. I can’t
> >> find these plastic pieces anywhere in the epc. Can anybody else find them?

I solved what I think is the same problem on my '83 240D with short pieces of 
hose pushed onto the prongs and/or into the holes. If you like, I can check 
tomorrow to see how well the pieces of hose have held up. 
Gerry

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[MBZ] 240D linkage part

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Remember the discussion about the bushing for the 240D linkage. Folks on 
Benzworld say this part will work to replace it.  You have to cut out 
the bushing part and install it on the leaver.


http://www.autohausaz.com/pn/1100720038


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[MBZ] 240D linkage parts

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

Where can I buy the accelerator linkage parts? I found the pivot point on eBay. 
But, I’m wondering if somebody sells a kit to replace all the parts. 

Donald H. Snook


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Re: [MBZ] 240D linkage part

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Is there a picture of the repair using this part?

-
Max
Charleston SC

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Remember the discussion about the bushing for the 240D linkage. Folks on
> Benzworld say this part will work to replace it.  You have to cut out the
> bushing part and install it on the leaver.
>
> http://www.autohausaz.com/pn/1100720038
>
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Re: [MBZ] 240D linkage part

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Looks like they would cut off the ends and take the rectangular parts to slip 
over the metal tabs on the linkage.

-D


> On Jan 27, 2018, at 8:35 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Is there a picture of the repair using this part?
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 7:38 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Remember the discussion about the bushing for the 240D linkage. Folks on
>> Benzworld say this part will work to replace it.  You have to cut out the
>> bushing part and install it on the leaver.
>> 
>> http://www.autohausaz.com/pn/1100720038
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 240D linkage part

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Right

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> On Jan 27, 2018, at 7:41 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Looks like they would cut off the ends and take the rectangular parts to slip 
> over the metal tabs on the linkage.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Jan 27, 2018, at 8:35 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Is there a picture of the repair using this part?
>> 
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>> 
>> On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 7:38 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Remember the discussion about the bushing for the 240D linkage. Folks on
>>> Benzworld say this part will work to replace it.  You have to cut out the
>>> bushing part and install it on the leaver.
>>> 
>>> http://www.autohausaz.com/pn/1100720038
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 240D linkage parts

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

I would think clean and lube would be all that's needed, unless
something's broken or missing?

Not sure what the best sources are for W123 parts these days.

Allan

Donald Snook via Mercedes  writes:

> Where can I buy the accelerator linkage parts? I found the pivot point on 
> eBay. But, I’m wondering if somebody sells a kit to replace all the parts. 
>
> Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] 240D linkage parts

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

I agree. Pop the balls off the sockets, clean and lubricate and exercise the 
linkages. Not sure if atf is the right stuff to use vs synthetic grease that 
Mercedessource recommends.

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> On Jan 25, 2021, at 7:43 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I would think clean and lube would be all that's needed, unless
> something's broken or missing?
> 
> Not sure what the best sources are for W123 parts these days.
> 
> Allan
> 
> Donald Snook via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> Where can I buy the accelerator linkage parts? I found the pivot point on 
>> eBay. But, I’m wondering if somebody sells a kit to replace all the parts. 
>> 
>> Donald H. Snook
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Re: [MBZ] 240D linkage parts

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

A drop of ATF is more than adequate for the throttle ball sockets.

-D

> On Jan 25, 2021, at 8:00 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I agree. Pop the balls off the sockets, clean and lubricate and exercise the 
> linkages. Not sure if atf is the right stuff to use vs synthetic grease that 
> Mercedessource recommends.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jan 25, 2021, at 7:43 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I would think clean and lube would be all that's needed, unless
>> something's broken or missing?
>> 
>> Not sure what the best sources are for W123 parts these days.
>> 
>> Allan
>> 
>> Donald Snook via Mercedes  writes:
>> 
>>> Where can I buy the accelerator linkage parts? I found the pivot point on 
>>> eBay. But, I’m wondering if somebody sells a kit to replace all the parts. 
>>> 
>>> Donald H. Snook
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Re: [MBZ] 240D linkage parts

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Give me your VIN and I’ll look up the numbers. The ball sockets are still 
available fro the dealer, I believe. What other parts do you need?

-D

> On Jan 25, 2021, at 7:21 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes 
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> Where can I buy the accelerator linkage parts? I found the pivot point on 
> eBay. But, I’m wondering if somebody sells a kit to replace all the parts. 
> 
> Donald H. Snook
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Re: [MBZ] 240D linkage parts

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Yes. Do not use lithium grease.

On Mon, Jan 25, 2021, 8:23 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
wrote:

> A drop of ATF is more than adequate for the throttle ball sockets.
>
> -D
>
> > On Jan 25, 2021, at 8:00 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I agree. Pop the balls off the sockets, clean and lubricate and exercise
> the linkages. Not sure if atf is the right stuff to use vs synthetic grease
> that Mercedessource recommends.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Jan 25, 2021, at 7:43 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I would think clean and lube would be all that's needed, unless
> >> something's broken or missing?
> >>
> >> Not sure what the best sources are for W123 parts these days.
> >>
> >> Allan
> >>
> >> Donald Snook via Mercedes  writes:
> >>
> >>> Where can I buy the accelerator linkage parts? I found the pivot point
> on eBay. But, I’m wondering if somebody sells a kit to replace all the
> parts.
> >>>
> >>> Donald H. Snook
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Re: [MBZ] 240D linkage parts

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 The possible pain points would be pivot points. I had one that was all 
wallowed out. I don't recall what I did to fix it.
-Curt

On Monday, January 25, 2021, 7:43:19 PM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 I would think clean and lube would be all that's needed, unless
something's broken or missing?

Not sure what the best sources are for W123 parts these days.

Allan

Donald Snook via Mercedes  writes:

> Where can I buy the accelerator linkage parts? I found the pivot point on 
> eBay. But, I’m wondering if somebody sells a kit to replace all the parts. 
>
> Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] 240D linkage parts

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> The possible pain points would be pivot points. I had one that was all 
> wallowed out. I don't recall what I did to fix it.

Wrap it in aluminum foil.  Or beer can.  The usual problem is the rubber doodad 
on
the firewall, or the plastic bushing.  Or, in my case, someone who cranked the 
stop
on the injection pump way out.  You just have to look, and dive in.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] 240D linkage parts

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Doesn't the W123 repair manual call out the adjustment procedure? RTFM
(read the factory manual).

On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 9:01 AM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> > The possible pain points would be pivot points. I had one that was all
> wallowed out. I don't recall what I did to fix it.
>
> Wrap it in aluminum foil.  Or beer can.  The usual problem is the rubber
> doodad on
> the firewall, or the plastic bushing.  Or, in my case, someone who cranked
> the stop
> on the injection pump way out.  You just have to look, and dive in.
>
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] 240D linkage parts

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

There are at least three versions of the linkage on the 240D, and some of
it is NLA.  My 80 has the version with a level on the valve cover that has
an integrated piece of rubber (which was later moved to the firewall).
That piece is NLA, and mine is starting to tear.  Might have to enlist the
3D printer in a repair.

On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 12:34 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Doesn't the W123 repair manual call out the adjustment procedure? RTFM
> (read the factory manual).
>
> On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 9:01 AM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > > The possible pain points would be pivot points. I had one that was all
> > wallowed out. I don't recall what I did to fix it.
> >
> > Wrap it in aluminum foil.  Or beer can.  The usual problem is the rubber
> > doodad on
> > the firewall, or the plastic bushing.  Or, in my case, someone who
> cranked
> > the stop
> > on the injection pump way out.  You just have to look, and dive in.
> >
> > -- Jim
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> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
>
> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”
> Wernher
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Re: [MBZ] 240D linkage parts

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

On 2021-01-26 13:39, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes wrote:

My 80 has the version with a level (lever?) on the valve cover that has
an integrated piece of rubber (which was later moved to the firewall).
That piece is NLA, and mine is starting to tear.  Might have to enlist 
the

3D printer in a repair.


If somebody can supply one in the proper unstretched shape to make a 
mold from, that part screams out for cast urethane.


Strip off the rubber from the steel, put the steel in the mold, and mold 
the new robber around it.


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Re: [MBZ] 240D linkage parts

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> That piece is NLA, and mine is starting to tear.

Shoe Goo!

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] 240D linkage parts

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Jim Cathey via Mercedes  writes:

>> That piece is NLA, and mine is starting to tear.
>
> Shoe Goo!

Sounds similar to the OM617 linkage in my W116, Shoe Goo is what I used
several years ago when that rubber piece broke off. Still holding up.

Allan

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