Re: [MBZ] Are these legit workshop manual CDs?

[Mitch Haley]

Curt Raymond wrote:
> 
> Your tractor is also direct injected so it'll start easier. Thats one of
> the reasons that when I build my diesel truck I plan on using a Cummins 4BT.

Learn how to tell the difference between a 4BT with a balance shaft and one
without, or buy a 6AT instead. 4BT is more efficient and more powerful,
but 6AT is very smooth, 3.5L/125HP IIRC, and can probably be modded for
more power. I believe the B series is a few inches taller than the A also,
but if you're putting it in a truck you probably have enough hood height
for either.

Re: [MBZ] Are these legit workshop manual CDs?

[Curt Raymond]

Your tractor is also direct injected so it'll start easier. Thats one of the 
reasons that when I build my diesel truck I plan on using a Cummins 4BT...

In single digits its been my experience an OM616 like in my 240D will take 
10-20F seconds of cranking to start in the BEST of times. At -10F it'd be more 
like 20-30 seconds.
The 601 in my 190D is a totally different animal and starts much more easily in 
the cold.

-Curt

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That does sound like tight valves, keeping the compression too low to 
build 
up enough heat to combust the fuel.  And yes, with everything working 
properly (glow system, fuel, battery) I still believe that 10 seconds 
is 
plenty long enough (I get concerned if I don't hear the engine fire up 
after 
3 revolutions, which isn't very long at all).
My JD4100 (1 liter, 3 cyl Diesel) which doesn't get run often in the 
winter, 
may take 5-8 revolutions to fire up, which still is probably only 5 
seconds 
or so!  And it has no block heater, and the battery is 5 years old.
Werner

 
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Subject: [MBZ] OT: A Rant on that "Global Warming" thang
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So I just saw a little blurb in the paper that says China has told the 
"rich" nations (tht would be US and Europe) that they should be the ones 
to pay money for "global warming" (or is it "climate change") taxes and 
fees and other extractions and rules and regulations and requirements, 
since they have been warming the globe longer than China has, and that 
China will go ahead with their plans unimpeded by such requirements.  
(Sounds like a big GFY, thank you very much.)  H...

In China they are building a coupla coal-fired power plants a week, 
using really really dirty coal (the good stuff is used for industrial 
processes) and no emissions control equipment whatsoever.  And there are 
like a billtwo of them wanting to live like we do, drive bigass cars, 
have air conditioned houses, lots of electrical appliances and gadgets, 
make gazillions of dollars (yes, dollars).  And India is on the same 
course, another bill or so of them.  They are making nice with Africa to 
get oil from there, I'm sure environmental and human rights issues are a 
big concern there (wait, didn't I just read a story about how well the 
Chinese companies treat the Africans?).  Has Algore flown his 
carbon-credited G5 over there pushing them to clean up their act, go 
green, conserve, limit consumption, pay carbon taxes, buy carbon 
credits, install emissions controls, show his movie in their schools, 
etc etc?  I missed it if he has.

This whole deal, whether true or not, has been perverted into another 
"tax the rich" scheme. In US and Europe there are people who have the 
time and interest and agenda to press the issue, by virtue of the 
success of Western economies and life styles and political systems that 
allow for this.  And there are mechanisms (a willing press, vil SUV 
haters, lefties with an agenda, scientists looking for the next hot 
thing to get grants to study, unquesti

Re: [MBZ] Are these legit workshop manual CDs?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

A Yugo is not a chinese car.

LT Don wrote:

New Benz? Hahahahahahahah!

I'd rather buy something reliable, like a Yugo.

Sad when even the Chinese have a more reliable new car than the Germans do.

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"Kaleb C. Striplin" wrote:

MB is not putting out the CD manuals anymore?  What the heck are people
supposed to do then?

Buy new cars?








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Re: [MBZ] Are these legit workshop manual CDs?

[Werner Fehlauer]

I would think that an engine requiring more than 5-10 seconds of cranking is 
in need of something else - like properly operating glow plugs, or ungelled 
or not ice-blocked fuel.  I'm assuming you've been regularly putting decent 
fuel in the tank, so that should be winterized in this zone; that leaves 
glow plugs - fuses, controls, and lastly, the plugs themselves.


There is anecdotal evidence that the Optima batteries last longer and have 
plenty of capacity; I've kept with M-B batteries for 3 reasons:  They are 
cheaper than the Optima (at the dealers, with the club discount), they seem 
to last at least 5 years (mostly), and when showing the car, having OE 
batteries helps, too.


And when I called for the free M-B road service the one time I had a 
premature battery failure, they replaced it at no charge, on the spot - 
didn't have to lift a finger!


Werner

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well maybe. It hadn't been started at all in ~2-3 weeks and it did get 
treated to 2-3 mins of cranking.Given the price of diehard etc, I'm likely 
to go to the stealership ($109) for a battery. They have been uprated to 
100Ah...


-j.
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Sounds like the "diehard" didn't..

Werner

Re: [MBZ] Are these legit workshop manual CDs?

[jwreames]

well maybe. It hadn't been started at all in ~2-3 weeks and it did get treated 
to 2-3 mins of cranking.Given the price of diehard etc, I'm likely to go to the 
stealership ($109) for a battery. They have been uprated to 100Ah...

-j.
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> Sounds like the "diehard" didn't.. 
> 
> Werner 
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I'm with you Tom, whats a moderate to do?

I'll tell you what I do, I drive at 20 year old car that averages better than 
35mpg. I've got 85 acres that within a decade should be covered with trees.
Every month I invest in insulating my house a little better. I replace 
incadescent lightbulbs with cf. I use my woodstove which is of the new low 
particulate clean burn type. We don't throw out any food or paper waste, that 
all gets composted.
Everything metal, glass or plastic goes in the recycling. The block heater for 
my car is on a timer, outside lights are off at night since theres a 
streetlight anyway. I'm not a fanatic, just trying to do little things to 
reduce my ecological footprint.

I'd say your 28mpg car is not as big a pollution problem as some soccer mom 
with 2 kids in a Suburban. Think what it costs in terms of environmental impact 
to MAKE that stupid SUV and in the next 10 years she'll have 2 or maybe even 
3...
Driving an older moderately efficient car is recycling at its best.

-Curt

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I find it interesting that allot of US citizens (who by the way make up 
5% 
of the worlds population but consume 26% of its energy) refuse to 
believe 
what we are doing cannot harm the 20 mile deep ocean of air we have 
surrounding us.  Even in the face of facts and greatest scientific 
minds 
refuse to agree.  I guess the other countries who are on board with 
this are 
not as smart as them.  All you have to do is look at the amount of NOx, 
SOx, 
CO and CO2 we emit which is in the millions of tons per year do the 
computer 
modeling and ask yourself how can it not affect our ocean of air.

What amazes me is none of our leaders or so called leaders every (or I 
have 
not heard it shouted out) have asked joe American public to turn off 
unneeded lights,  drive 65 instead of 80 on the highways, make one less 
trip 
to Wal-Mart a month, mandate 30mpg new cars,  have these places with 
all the 
parking lots light up like fort Knox go to night vision systems for 
surveillance ect ect ect.  I bet with a little effort we could reduce 
our 
consumption by 15 to 20% (and some pollution) if we would be lead as a 
group 
with some good incentives and direction to suck it up a little.  We can 
do 
this immediately with little effort or capital outlay.   My 2 cents.

Good reading is Mid Course Correction by J. Anderson

Tom Scordato
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Re: [MBZ] Are these legit workshop manual CDs?

[jwreames]

1999 E300Dt. 8 F, not plugged in, One glow cycle. "bump" key and let the thing 
"auto crank" (up to 2 secs). Fired right up. (Th!)... 1985 300D... 
well I probably need to go over the valves (7500 ago) and toss in some anti 
gel... and maybe a battery tender... It almost started before flattening the 
battery (2.5 yr old diehard)

-j.
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> New Benz? Hahahahahahahah! 
> 
> I'd rather buy something reliable, like a Yugo. 
> 
> Sad when even the Chinese have a more reliable new car than the Germans do. 
> 
> On 2/6/07, Mitch Haley wrote: 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > "Kaleb C. Striplin" wrote: 
> > > 
> > > MB is not putting out the CD manuals anymore? What the heck are people 
> > > supposed to do then? 
> > 
> > Buy new cars? 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
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Sounds like the "diehard" didn't..

Werner

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> 1999 E300Dt. 8 F, not plugged in, One glow cycle. "bump" key and let the 
> thing "auto crank" (up to 2 secs). Fired right up. (Th!)... 
> 1985 300D... well I probably need to go over the valves (7500 ago) and 
> toss in some anti gel... and maybe a battery tender... It almost started 
> before flattening the battery (2.5 yr old diehard)
>
> -j.

Re: [MBZ] Are these legit workshop manual CDs?

[LT Don]

New Benz? Hahahahahahahah!

I'd rather buy something reliable, like a Yugo.

Sad when even the Chinese have a more reliable new car than the Germans do.

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"Kaleb C. Striplin" wrote:
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> MB is not putting out the CD manuals anymore?  What the heck are people
> supposed to do then?

Buy new cars?






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Re: [MBZ] Are these legit workshop manual CDs?

[Mitch Haley]

"Kaleb C. Striplin" wrote:
> 
> MB is not putting out the CD manuals anymore?  What the heck are people
> supposed to do then?

Buy new cars?

Re: [MBZ] Are these legit workshop manual CDs?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

MB is not putting out the CD manuals anymore?  What the heck are people 
supposed to do then?


Marshall Booth wrote:

Euan wrote:

Hi there folks

These CDs seem awfully cheap. Are they legit, do you think?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/MERCEDES-240D-300D-300TD-300CD-WORKSHOP-MANUAL-INFO_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ34227QQihZ010QQitemZ200074644901QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWD2V



That's ($19.95 US$) what Mercedes USA was charging for the two disc 123 
and 126 sets until they ran out (and won't issue them again) late last year.


Marshall


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Re: [MBZ] Are these legit workshop manual CDs?

[Rusty Cullens]

Those are definitely MB genuine service manuals

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> Euan wrote:
> > Hi there folks
> >
> > These CDs seem awfully cheap. Are they legit, do you think?
> >
> >
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/MERCEDES-240D-300D-300TD-300CD-WORKSHOP-MANUA
L-INFO_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ34227QQihZ010QQitemZ200074644901QQrdZ1QQss
pagenameZWD2V
> >
>
> That's ($19.95 US$) what Mercedes USA was charging for the two disc 123
> and 126 sets until they ran out (and won't issue them again) late last
year.
>
> Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] Are these legit workshop manual CDs?

[Allan Streib]

Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> That's ($19.95 US$) what Mercedes USA was charging for the two disc
> 123 and 126 sets until they ran out (and won't issue them again)
> late last year.

But I suppose they would object to anyone copying them and selling the
copies -- even though MBUSA themselves have no plans to issue any
more?

-- 
1983 300D
1966 230

Re: [MBZ] Are these legit workshop manual CDs?

[Marshall Booth]

Euan wrote:

Hi there folks

These CDs seem awfully cheap. Are they legit, do you think?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/MERCEDES-240D-300D-300TD-300CD-WORKSHOP-MANUAL-INFO_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ34227QQihZ010QQitemZ200074644901QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWD2V



That's ($19.95 US$) what Mercedes USA was charging for the two disc 123 
and 126 sets until they ran out (and won't issue them again) late last year.


Marshall
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