Re: [MBZ] Chain crimp tool

[BenzBarn]

Toe sucker?  ( must be a Canadian thing ) 

 You know,  Ass kisser? Minion? Lap dog?  Ankle grabber? Butt boy? Wimp? Puffta 
? Knob?  Take you're pick. but it ain't me.


I was once nice enough to say I was sorry to him on list to which I got no 
acknowledgment in return either on site or off. Yeah, you could say there's 
some history here. Let's just say we ignore each other and leave it at 
that.OK?
 His research is good because he knows computers and seems to have all the time 
in the world to find things for the undeserving, lazy types that seem hang out 
around here but I occasionally see things that aren't right. I'm not up to 
getting into arguments or being stomped on by every ( see the above list ) dude 
that just has to defend him so hey, WTF. I'm cool.

Re: [MBZ] Chain crimp tool

[BenzBarn]

Hehehe I'm actually a pretty nice guy in real life and more
than generous. Just not that generous.

   I have some old drill bits you can have though..

Re: [MBZ] Chain crimp tool

[LT Don]

Toe sucker? 

On 8/21/05, BenzBarn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> I'm not new round here. I've been on the lists for over 5 years. Obi and I 
> have been here before and he knows I'm not a toe sucker.
>  
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Re: [MBZ] Chain crimp tool

[John Ervine]

BenzBarn wrote:

John?
 How much will you give me for this tool?  It's not going to be free because
I paid about 300 bucks for it.


You said the tools were unneeded, so I offered to pay shipping to take them off 
your hands, remember?  Can't have a toolbox cluttered up with unnecessary tools 
and all...  ;-P


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Re: [MBZ] Chain crimp tool

[BenzBarn]

John?
 How much will you give me for this tool?  It's not going to be free because
I paid about 300 bucks for it.

Re: [MBZ] Chain crimp tool

[BenzBarn]

I'm not new round here.  I've been on the lists for over 5 years.  Obi and I 
have been here before and he knows I'm not a toe sucker.

[MBZ] Chain crimp tool and books

[Wilton Strickland]

Wife is doing/arranging her books by color and size right now.

Wilton

Re: [MBZ] Chain crimp tool

[LT Don]

I am getting a bit old and senile. I will pop on over for supper with Truman 
and check in when I get back. 

On 8/21/05, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> "Kaleb C. Striplin" wrote:
> >
> > Benzbarn is not a new face, Dan has been around for quite a while.
> >
> 
> I'm thinking that Looie Don came along after I did (been here since March
> or April of '02) and Benzbarn may have been here longer than I.
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Re: [MBZ] Chain crimp tool

[Mitch Haley]

"Kaleb C. Striplin" wrote:
> 
> Benzbarn is not a new face, Dan has been around for quite a while.
> 

I'm thinking that Looie Don came along after I did (been here since March
or April of '02) and Benzbarn may have been here longer than I.

Re: [MBZ] Chain crimp tool

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Benzbarn is not a new face, Dan has been around for quite a while.

LT Don wrote:


BenzBarn,

You are a pretty new face around here, I think. And you are obviously 
very experienced in working on the Benz. ... But what you do NOT yet 
know is that one does not try to kick Obi in the nuts and walk away 
unscathed.


Don


On 8/21/05, BenzBarn <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > 
wrote:


Gee.  Thanks for pointing that out.

I thread was about chain crimp tools. I said that I have a few tools
in my
tool box that I rarely use including the base setting tool for hydraulic
lifters.  No need to point out to me where it's used or that it's
not used
on Diesels.
Someone asked what the tool was for because they didn't know, so I
told them
where it's used and on what models it's used for. OK?

Marshall knows about this tool. He also knows that I would also know
this.
It's his attempt at being funny.

I'm laughing over here SEE?

hehehehehehehe


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Re: [MBZ] Chain crimp tool

[John Ervine]

BenzBarn wrote:


I'm laughing over here SEE?


My offer still stands - how much for postage?

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Re: [MBZ] Chain crimp tool

[LT Don]

BenzBarn,

You are a pretty new face around here, I think. And you are obviously very 
experienced in working on the Benz. ... But what you do NOT yet know is that 
one does not try to kick Obi in the nuts and walk away unscathed. 

Don


On 8/21/05, BenzBarn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Gee. Thanks for pointing that out.
> 
> I thread was about chain crimp tools. I said that I have a few tools in my
> tool box that I rarely use including the base setting tool for hydraulic
> lifters. No need to point out to me where it's used or that it's not used
> on Diesels.
> Someone asked what the tool was for because they didn't know, so I told 
> them
> where it's used and on what models it's used for. OK?
> 
> Marshall knows about this tool. He also knows that I would also know this.
> It's his attempt at being funny.
> 
> I'm laughing over here SEE?
> 
> hehehehehehehe
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Chain crimp tool

[BenzBarn]

Gee.  Thanks for pointing that out.

I thread was about chain crimp tools. I said that I have a few tools in my
tool box that I rarely use including the base setting tool for hydraulic
lifters.  No need to point out to me where it's used or that it's not used
on Diesels.
Someone asked what the tool was for because they didn't know, so I told them
where it's used and on what models it's used for. OK?

Marshall knows about this tool. He also knows that I would also know this.
It's his attempt at being funny.

I'm laughing over here SEE?

hehehehehehehe

Re: [MBZ] Chain crimp tool

[John Ervine]

BenzBarn wrote:

Well, for christs sake I KNOW what the tool is used for and where it's used,
so in fact I'm not incorrect.  Know one asked you to be the unofficial
saviour of benz kind.


You have a lot of nerve to call be uncivilized. For a PhD, you have much to
learn


Yet you were talking about a tool for checking hydraulic lifters in gassers in a 
thread about crimping the timing chain on diesels.  Your post was misleading to 
the subject at hand, Marshall simply called attention to it.


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Re: [MBZ] Chain crimp tool

[Royce Engler]

Marshall said...
  Sort of like shelving books in a library randomly or by size!

My ex once arranged the books on MY bookshelf so that the colors were
coordinated.  Took me weeks to figure out where everything was...I know, I
know...I AM a book junkie...

Royce Engler
1985 300TD Turbo 265K

Re: [MBZ] Chain crimp tool

[Jan Guthrie]

I did mine by color ..??  Does that count?   

Jan

OK Don wrote:

> Yes! - That's how my home library is organized, and I can testify to
> the accuracy of Marshall's statement!
>
> > In addition to the frustration of trying to follow an active discussion
> > thread in the absence of relevant subject headers, without a requirement
> > for relevant subject lines, an archive becomes little more than a BIG
> > trash can that people can root through, but with lots of resulting
> > frustration. Sort of like shelving books in a library randomly or by size!
> >
> > Marshall

Re: [MBZ] Chain crimp tool

[BenzBarn]

Well, for christs sake I KNOW what the tool is used for and where it's used,
so in fact I'm not incorrect.  Know one asked you to be the unofficial
saviour of benz kind.


You have a lot of nerve to call be uncivilized. For a PhD, you have much to
learn

Re: [MBZ] Chain crimp tool

[OK Don]

Yes! - That's how my home library is organized, and I can testify to
the accuracy of Marshall's statement!


> In addition to the frustration of trying to follow an active discussion
> thread in the absence of relevant subject headers, without a requirement
> for relevant subject lines, an archive becomes little more than a BIG
> trash can that people can root through, but with lots of resulting
> frustration. Sort of like shelving books in a library randomly or by size!
> 
> Marshall

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Re: [MBZ] Chain crimp tool

[Marshall Booth]

Joe Knight wrote:

And I thought this thread had something to do with the chain crimping
tool.  Silly me!


I must agree, but I don't know of any way to efficaciously answer or 
comment on a particular post without retaining the original "subject." I 
notice that your post about not changing misleading "subject lines" 
retained the "Chain crimp tool" subject line as well.


If there were a CLEAR policy on that (say change the line followed by a 
"was - old subject") then I'd sure TRY to follow it (I'm SURE I'd 
sometimes slip) but there seems to be NO clear policy and changing the 
subject line when that's relevant is a rare and pleasant surprise - not 
something that's routinely done.


In addition to the frustration of trying to follow an active discussion 
thread in the absence of relevant subject headers, without a requirement 
for relevant subject lines, an archive becomes little more than a BIG 
trash can that people can root through, but with lots of resulting 
frustration. Sort of like shelving books in a library randomly or by size!


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] Chain crimp tool

[Joe Knight]

And I thought this thread had something to do with the chain crimping
tool.  Silly me!

Re: [MBZ] Chain crimp tool

[Marshall Booth]

Uncivil Dan wrote:

> Why would a diesel expert make such an assumption about hydraulic
> lifter base setting tools and I thought you don't answer unsigned
> posts? lol

When you wrote:

> This tool is for setting the base measurement on hydraulic lifters.
> Can't be done without one.

you intimated this was necessary for Mercedes engines with hydraulic 
lifters, but it is clearly of NO use for the OM60x diesel engines.


You did NOT ask a question, and I did not answer one. I challenged your 
statement because I believed it to be incorrect!


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] Chain crimp tool

[BenzBarn]

 It's used for V8 style engines. Everything from 1976 and on. 450, 380, 500,
6.9 and 560  that I've seen.  I know some newer diesels have hydraulic
lifters but all the ones I've worked on are mechanical.

However, I was talking about MB tools in general; how expensive they can be
and how little you might end up using them once you have them, while noting
that some are absolutely necessary.
 Why would a diesel expert make such an assumption  about  hydraulic lifter
base setting tools and I thought you don't answer unsigned posts? lol

Re: [MBZ] Chain crimp tool

[Marshall Booth]

BenzBarn wrote:

This tool is for setting the base measurement on hydraulic lifters. Can't be
done without one.
There's a small pin that rests on top of the lifter along with the tool and
a small red line is on the pin. If it shows red when you place it right you
need a thicker or thinner lash pad under the rocker.
 Any noise at idle is usually from worn lifters, lash pad adjustment or low
oil pressure.
By the time all these things  take their toll the cam lobes are usually worn
out so checking base settings is a waste of time.
Some people don't want to spend money on their cars just to fix a little
tick at idle if everything else is OK. Again, and in that case, more waste
of time to take any measurements.

However, you can't do the base settings without this rather expensive tool.


On which DIESEL models is this tool required?

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Re: [MBZ] Chain crimp tool

[BenzBarn]

This tool is for setting the base measurement on hydraulic lifters. Can't be
done without one.
There's a small pin that rests on top of the lifter along with the tool and
a small red line is on the pin. If it shows red when you place it right you
need a thicker or thinner lash pad under the rocker.
 Any noise at idle is usually from worn lifters, lash pad adjustment or low
oil pressure.
By the time all these things  take their toll the cam lobes are usually worn
out so checking base settings is a waste of time.
Some people don't want to spend money on their cars just to fix a little
tick at idle if everything else is OK. Again, and in that case, more waste
of time to take any measurements.

However, you can't do the base settings without this rather expensive tool.

Re: [MBZ] Chain crimp tool

[BenzBarn]

Yup. And proud of it too.

Re: [MBZ] Chain crimp tool

[OK Don]

Another proud member of the silent majority -- -- hammering away on those links.

> 
> You guys might be surprised at just how many people do this but don't say
> that they do. No doubt some are unaware of the tool but 500 bucks is too
> much for it anyway. All you're really doing is riveting some metal -
> something I learned how to do a long time ago.
> 

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'87 300SDL
'81 240D
'78 450SLC

Re: [MBZ] Chain crimp tool

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

if he made a copy of it, why cant he just have this wonderful machine 
shop make a bunch of copies of it.  I bet the price would go down on a 
bulk type of production.


Darrell W. Sigmon wrote:

Mr Hattaway, don't you remember telling me a long time ago that I had 
first 'dibs' on that tool 


Darrell
~

Richard Hattaway wrote:



Well, for what it's worth on a timeline, Camma is way ahead of all
u'uns.  


But here's the deal.  I agree with Dan, sorta.  I actually like using
the tool, and have access to a whizzzbang machine shop, so I just
copied it.  ( I have cad drawings that I will share if there is someone
who is devinely interested, like willing to send an SASE 8X10 envelope
e/w an ounce of postage).  Like Dan says, for a one time shot, it is a
bit steep.  There are other ways to pein the pin, so to speak, and
those who have done it know the tolerances on the master link are very
very very tight.  So one could use a hammer and an anvil and come out
just fine.  Heck, I bet some okie could even use a pair of channel
locks. ( (c: )

So now the original is for sale.  Presently folks, for the good of all,
I am negotiating with a yet to be named supplier of MB parts who would
like to rent it.  Then we all get to use it on the cheap.  Well,  not
me, cause I have another (c: .

That's cool, because he's close to Camma and although un-named, he
could share it with the master craftsman.  For a fee, of course (c:

Richard
returning to the quiet while the deal develops.



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Maybe it's been an experiment to see how nice you all play..

How about it, Richard?

Take care,

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On Aug 18, 2005, at 5:18 PM, Joe Knight wrote:



Yep.  Richard's been uncharacteristically silent since he offered  
that thing up.


joe





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Re: [MBZ] Chain crimp tool

[R A Bennell]

I will cheerfully send an envelope and postage as well for a set of the
drawings. Where would I send it?

Randy in Winnipeg - you can contact me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED]

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Richard Hattaway
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 5:53 PM
To: Mercedes mailing list
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Chain crimp tool


Well, for what it's worth on a timeline, Camma is way ahead of all
u'uns.

But here's the deal.  I agree with Dan, sorta.  I actually like using
the tool, and have access to a whizzzbang machine shop, so I just
copied it.  ( I have cad drawings that I will share if there is someone
who is devinely interested, like willing to send an SASE 8X10 envelope
e/w an ounce of postage).  Like Dan says, for a one time shot, it is a
bit steep.  There are other ways to pein the pin, so to speak, and
those who have done it know the tolerances on the master link are very
very very tight.  So one could use a hammer and an anvil and come out
just fine.  Heck, I bet some okie could even use a pair of channel
locks. ( (c: )

So now the original is for sale.  Presently folks, for the good of all,
I am negotiating with a yet to be named supplier of MB parts who would
like to rent it.  Then we all get to use it on the cheap.  Well,  not
me, cause I have another (c: .

That's cool, because he's close to Camma and although un-named, he
could share it with the master craftsman.  For a fee, of course (c:

Richard
returning to the quiet while the deal develops.



--- Chuck Landenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hey Guys..
>
> Maybe it's been an experiment to see how nice you all play..
>
> How about it, Richard?
>
> Take care,
>
> Chuck
> On Aug 18, 2005, at 5:18 PM, Joe Knight wrote:
>
> > Yep.  Richard's been uncharacteristically silent since he offered
> > that thing up.
> >
> > joe
> >
> >
>

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Re: [MBZ] Chain crimp tool

[Darrell W. Sigmon]

I never had any doubt about your character !!!

THANX

Darrell

Richard Hattaway wrote:

Darrell, 


You can use the new one any time you need it.  Free.  Under certain
situations I would even deliver it to you and help you use it.  I'm
just that kind of guy (c: .  


Richard

Always respecting his elders..

--- "Darrell W. Sigmon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Mr Hattaway, don't you remember telling me a long time ago that I had

first 'dibs' on that tool 

Darrell
~

Richard Hattaway wrote:



Well, for what it's worth on a timeline, Camma is way ahead of all
u'uns.  


But here's the deal.  I agree with Dan, sorta.  I actually like


using


the tool, and have access to a whizzzbang machine shop, so I just
copied it.  ( I have cad drawings that I will share if there is


someone


who is devinely interested, like willing to send an SASE 8X10


envelope


e/w an ounce of postage).  Like Dan says, for a one time shot, it


is a


bit steep.  There are other ways to pein the pin, so to speak, and
those who have done it know the tolerances on the master link are


very


very very tight.  So one could use a hammer and an anvil and come


out


just fine.  Heck, I bet some okie could even use a pair of channel
locks. ( (c: )

So now the original is for sale.  Presently folks, for the good of


all,


I am negotiating with a yet to be named supplier of MB parts who


would

like to rent it.  Then we all get to use it on the cheap.  Well, 


not


me, cause I have another (c: .

That's cool, because he's close to Camma and although un-named, he
could share it with the master craftsman.  For a fee, of course (c:

Richard
returning to the quiet while the deal develops.



--- Chuck Landenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:




Hey Guys..

Maybe it's been an experiment to see how nice you all


play..


How about it, Richard?

Take care,

Chuck
On Aug 18, 2005, at 5:18 PM, Joe Knight wrote:



Yep.  Richard's been uncharacteristically silent since he offered 



that thing up.

joe






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Re: [MBZ] Chain crimp tool

[Richard Hattaway]

Darrell, 

You can use the new one any time you need it.  Free.  Under certain
situations I would even deliver it to you and help you use it.  I'm
just that kind of guy (c: .  

Richard

Always respecting his elders..

--- "Darrell W. Sigmon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Mr Hattaway, don't you remember telling me a long time ago that I had
> 
> first 'dibs' on that tool 
> 
> Darrell
> ~
> 
> Richard Hattaway wrote:
> 
> > Well, for what it's worth on a timeline, Camma is way ahead of all
> > u'uns.  
> > 
> > But here's the deal.  I agree with Dan, sorta.  I actually like
> using
> > the tool, and have access to a whizzzbang machine shop, so I just
> > copied it.  ( I have cad drawings that I will share if there is
> someone
> > who is devinely interested, like willing to send an SASE 8X10
> envelope
> > e/w an ounce of postage).  Like Dan says, for a one time shot, it
> is a
> > bit steep.  There are other ways to pein the pin, so to speak, and
> > those who have done it know the tolerances on the master link are
> very
> > very very tight.  So one could use a hammer and an anvil and come
> out
> > just fine.  Heck, I bet some okie could even use a pair of channel
> > locks. ( (c: )
> > 
> > So now the original is for sale.  Presently folks, for the good of
> all,
> > I am negotiating with a yet to be named supplier of MB parts who
> would
> > like to rent it.  Then we all get to use it on the cheap.  Well, 
> not
> > me, cause I have another (c: .
> > 
> > That's cool, because he's close to Camma and although un-named, he
> > could share it with the master craftsman.  For a fee, of course (c:
> > 
> > Richard
> > returning to the quiet while the deal develops.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- Chuck Landenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >>Hey Guys..
> >>
> >>Maybe it's been an experiment to see how nice you all
> play..
> >>
> >>How about it, Richard?
> >>
> >>Take care,
> >>
> >>Chuck
> >>On Aug 18, 2005, at 5:18 PM, Joe Knight wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Yep.  Richard's been uncharacteristically silent since he offered 
> 
> >>>that thing up.
> >>>
> >>>joe
> >>>
> >>>
> >>

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Re: [MBZ] Chain crimp tool

[Darrell W. Sigmon]

Mr Hattaway, don't you remember telling me a long time ago that I had 
first 'dibs' on that tool 


Darrell
~

Richard Hattaway wrote:


Well, for what it's worth on a timeline, Camma is way ahead of all
u'uns.  


But here's the deal.  I agree with Dan, sorta.  I actually like using
the tool, and have access to a whizzzbang machine shop, so I just
copied it.  ( I have cad drawings that I will share if there is someone
who is devinely interested, like willing to send an SASE 8X10 envelope
e/w an ounce of postage).  Like Dan says, for a one time shot, it is a
bit steep.  There are other ways to pein the pin, so to speak, and
those who have done it know the tolerances on the master link are very
very very tight.  So one could use a hammer and an anvil and come out
just fine.  Heck, I bet some okie could even use a pair of channel
locks. ( (c: )

So now the original is for sale.  Presently folks, for the good of all,
I am negotiating with a yet to be named supplier of MB parts who would
like to rent it.  Then we all get to use it on the cheap.  Well,  not
me, cause I have another (c: .

That's cool, because he's close to Camma and although un-named, he
could share it with the master craftsman.  For a fee, of course (c:

Richard
returning to the quiet while the deal develops.



--- Chuck Landenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Hey Guys..

Maybe it's been an experiment to see how nice you all play..

How about it, Richard?

Take care,

Chuck
On Aug 18, 2005, at 5:18 PM, Joe Knight wrote:


Yep.  Richard's been uncharacteristically silent since he offered  
that thing up.


joe






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Re: [MBZ] Chain crimp tool

[Rusty Cullens]

I know a parts supplier that would love to rent it. :)

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard Hattaway
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 8:53 PM
To: Mercedes mailing list
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Chain crimp tool

Well, for what it's worth on a timeline, Camma is way ahead of all
u'uns.  

But here's the deal.  I agree with Dan, sorta.  I actually like using
the tool, and have access to a whizzzbang machine shop, so I just
copied it.  ( I have cad drawings that I will share if there is someone
who is devinely interested, like willing to send an SASE 8X10 envelope
e/w an ounce of postage).  Like Dan says, for a one time shot, it is a
bit steep.  There are other ways to pein the pin, so to speak, and
those who have done it know the tolerances on the master link are very
very very tight.  So one could use a hammer and an anvil and come out
just fine.  Heck, I bet some okie could even use a pair of channel
locks. ( (c: )

So now the original is for sale.  Presently folks, for the good of all,
I am negotiating with a yet to be named supplier of MB parts who would
like to rent it.  Then we all get to use it on the cheap.  Well,  not
me, cause I have another (c: .

That's cool, because he's close to Camma and although un-named, he
could share it with the master craftsman.  For a fee, of course (c:

Richard
returning to the quiet while the deal develops.



--- Chuck Landenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hey Guys..
> 
> Maybe it's been an experiment to see how nice you all play..
> 
> How about it, Richard?
> 
> Take care,
> 
> Chuck
> On Aug 18, 2005, at 5:18 PM, Joe Knight wrote:
> 
> > Yep.  Richard's been uncharacteristically silent since he offered  
> > that thing up.
> >
> > joe
> >
> >
>

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Re: [MBZ] Chain crimp tool

[BenzBarn]

Oh, I use them.  Just not as important as I thought they would be.

My distributor tester? I USE that and it pays to have it around. 

Mighty vac? Great tool anyone can use or should have.

Set of end wrenches? A necessity. 

Master link crimper?  The jury is still out on that one...

Re: [MBZ] Chain crimp tool

[BenzBarn]

Hey, I'm  farm boy and you learn to make do.  I used to rivet sections into
a mower knife all the time and this isn't that much different.

There's noting to it if you know what you're doing. Lay the chain  in place,
slide the master link in, put the centre piece in and use vice grips and a
small nut over the pins to force the other link into place.
I use two hammers - one at the back of the link and the other to slowly peen
the link into place. A study of the factory crimp shows that it really
doesn't take much to peen it into place.  I very seriously doubt that it
will ever come apart. If the smaller crimp from the tool holds it, so will
this method.

You guys might be surprised at just how many people do this but don't say
that they do. No doubt some are unaware of the tool but 500 bucks is too
much for it anyway. All you're really doing is riveting some metal -
something I learned how to do a long time ago.

Re: [MBZ] Chain crimp tool

[Richard Hattaway]

Well, for what it's worth on a timeline, Camma is way ahead of all
u'uns.  

But here's the deal.  I agree with Dan, sorta.  I actually like using
the tool, and have access to a whizzzbang machine shop, so I just
copied it.  ( I have cad drawings that I will share if there is someone
who is devinely interested, like willing to send an SASE 8X10 envelope
e/w an ounce of postage).  Like Dan says, for a one time shot, it is a
bit steep.  There are other ways to pein the pin, so to speak, and
those who have done it know the tolerances on the master link are very
very very tight.  So one could use a hammer and an anvil and come out
just fine.  Heck, I bet some okie could even use a pair of channel
locks. ( (c: )

So now the original is for sale.  Presently folks, for the good of all,
I am negotiating with a yet to be named supplier of MB parts who would
like to rent it.  Then we all get to use it on the cheap.  Well,  not
me, cause I have another (c: .

That's cool, because he's close to Camma and although un-named, he
could share it with the master craftsman.  For a fee, of course (c:

Richard
returning to the quiet while the deal develops.



--- Chuck Landenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hey Guys..
> 
> Maybe it's been an experiment to see how nice you all play..
> 
> How about it, Richard?
> 
> Take care,
> 
> Chuck
> On Aug 18, 2005, at 5:18 PM, Joe Knight wrote:
> 
> > Yep.  Richard's been uncharacteristically silent since he offered  
> > that thing up.
> >
> > joe
> >
> >
>

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Re: [MBZ] Chain crimp tool

[Chuck Landenberger]

Hey Guys..

Maybe it's been an experiment to see how nice you all play..

How about it, Richard?

Take care,

Chuck
On Aug 18, 2005, at 5:18 PM, Joe Knight wrote:

Yep.  Richard's been uncharacteristically silent since he offered  
that thing up.


joe

Re: [MBZ] Chain crimp tool

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

yes, thats it.

Joe Knight wrote:

Maybe he's pullin' our collective chain.  ;)  


joe

On 8/18/05, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Well I have never heard anything back about it anyways, so there is no
telling what the deal is.



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Re: [MBZ] Chain crimp tool

[Joe Knight]

Maybe he's pullin' our collective chain.  ;)  

joe

On 8/18/05, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Well I have never heard anything back about it anyways, so there is no
> telling what the deal is.

Re: [MBZ] Chain crimp tool

[Joe Knight]

Yep.  Richard's been uncharacteristically silent since he offered that thing up.

joe

On 8/18/05, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Well I have never heard anything back about it anyways, so there is no
> telling what the deal is.

Re: [MBZ] Chain crimp tool

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

yes, I do.  And I think the timing chain I got for it has a clip anyways.

Kevin wrote:


On Thu, Aug 18, 2005 at 07:02:42PM -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:


BT, WRONG



Don't you have a 560 you need to be fixing, Kaleb? :)

K

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Re: [MBZ] Chain crimp tool

[Kevin]

On Thu, Aug 18, 2005 at 07:02:42PM -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
> BT, WRONG

Don't you have a 560 you need to be fixing, Kaleb? :)

K

Re: [MBZ] Chain crimp tool

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Well I have never heard anything back about it anyways, so there is no 
telling what the deal is.


Joe Knight wrote:


Well BT, WRONG to you too!  I believe I can document my contention
should the need arise.   Of course Richard can sell the tool to
whomever he damn well pleases if he hasn't already done so.

On 8/18/05, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


BT, WRONG

Joe Knight wrote:



I got in well ahead of you Kleb, offlist.  Why don't you just keep
practicing your hammer technique.



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Re: [MBZ] Chain crimp tool

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

hydraulic valve adjusting tool?  Why would you need to adjust hydraulic 
valves?


John Ervine wrote:


BenzBarn wrote:


It's never failed for me.
I'm not buying a special tool for a one time job if I can make my own or
improvise. I already have the hydraulic valve adjustment tool that I thought
I so despritatley needed. Sits in the back of the tool box with a bunch of
other '' needed '' tools.



I'll gladly take all those "unneeded" tools off your hands.  I'll even pay 
shipping.



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Re: [MBZ] Chain crimp tool

[Joe Knight]

Well BT, WRONG to you too!  I believe I can document my contention
should the need arise.   Of course Richard can sell the tool to
whomever he damn well pleases if he hasn't already done so.

On 8/18/05, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> BT, WRONG
> 
> Joe Knight wrote:
> 
> > I got in well ahead of you Kleb, offlist.  Why don't you just keep
> > practicing your hammer technique.

Re: [MBZ] Chain crimp tool

[John Ervine]

BenzBarn wrote:

It's never failed for me.
 I'm not buying a special tool for a one time job if I can make my own or
improvise. I already have the hydraulic valve adjustment tool that I thought
I so despritatley needed. Sits in the back of the tool box with a bunch of
other '' needed '' tools.


I'll gladly take all those "unneeded" tools off your hands.  I'll even pay 
shipping.

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1980 300TD 168+kmi
1980 300SD 277+kmi

Re: [MBZ] Chain crimp tool

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

BT, WRONG

Joe Knight wrote:


I got in well ahead of you Kleb, offlist.  Why don't you just keep
practicing your hammer technique.

joe

On 8/18/05, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I actually asked about it first so I have first dibs on it.



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Re: [MBZ] Chain crimp tool

[Joe Knight]

I got in well ahead of you Kleb, offlist.  Why don't you just keep
practicing your hammer technique.

joe

On 8/18/05, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I actually asked about it first so I have first dibs on it.

Re: [MBZ] Chain crimp tool

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I use a hammer for crimping the chain, works just fine.

Kevin wrote:


On Thu, Aug 18, 2005 at 04:35:47PM -0400, BenzBarn wrote:


I give you a hammer for free.  Cheaper than any tool from MB and very
dependable.



Right, but about the only thing you can use it on properly without breaking
anything is a ford. This is why the big hammer in my tool box is called 
the ford hammer.


K

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Re: [MBZ] Chain crimp tool

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I actually asked about it first so I have first dibs on it.

Rusty Cullens wrote:


If Richard sells me his I will rent it for 10% of the sale price.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Luther Gulseth
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 1:55 PM
To: Mercedes mailing list
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Chain crimp tool

The question is, Rusty, how much do you rent yours for?

-Original Message-
From: Rusty Cullens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Aug 18, 2005 10:52 AM
To: 'Mercedes mailing list' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Chain crimp tool

How much?



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Re: [MBZ] Chain crimp tool

[BenzBarn]

It's never failed for me.
 I'm not buying a special tool for a one time job if I can make my own or
improvise. I already have the hydraulic valve adjustment tool that I thought
I so despritatley needed. Sits in the back of the tool box with a bunch of
other '' needed '' tools.

Re: [MBZ] Chain crimp tool

[Kevin]

On Thu, Aug 18, 2005 at 04:35:47PM -0400, BenzBarn wrote:
> I give you a hammer for free.  Cheaper than any tool from MB and very
> dependable.

Right, but about the only thing you can use it on properly without breaking
anything is a ford. This is why the big hammer in my tool box is called 
the ford hammer.

K

Re: [MBZ] Chain crimp tool

[BenzBarn]

I give you a hammer for free.  Cheaper than any tool from MB and very
dependable.

Re: [MBZ] Chain crimp tool

[Rusty Cullens]

If Richard sells me his I will rent it for 10% of the sale price.

-Original Message-
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Luther Gulseth
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 1:55 PM
To: Mercedes mailing list
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Chain crimp tool

The question is, Rusty, how much do you rent yours for?

-Original Message-
From: Rusty Cullens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Aug 18, 2005 10:52 AM
To: 'Mercedes mailing list' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Chain crimp tool

How much?



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Re: [MBZ] Chain crimp tool

[Luther Gulseth]

The question is, Rusty, how much do you rent yours for?

-Original Message-
From: Rusty Cullens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Aug 18, 2005 10:52 AM
To: 'Mercedes mailing list' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Chain crimp tool

How much?



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Re: [MBZ] Chain crimp tool

[Rusty Cullens]

How much?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard Hattaway
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 3:26 PM
To: Mercedes mailing list
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Chain crimp tool

And I have the real tool I will also sell very reasonably!!

Richard
Salisbury NC

--- "Dave M." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> What you see on eBay at that link is a cheap copy tool, not the
> genuine Mercedes tool (which is made by Iwis, btw, the chain
> manufacturer). The cheap eBay tool will not press on the middle plate
> for the new OE style master links, the genuine tool (with appropriate
> jaws) will. (The aftermarket master links have slip-fit center
> plates,
> btw.)
> 
> The genuine tool is sold in pieces... the main body, the crimp jaws,
> the pressing jaws, etc. Even better, the aftermarket tool jaws are
> NOT
> compatible with the genuine tool (and vice-versa), although they LOOK
> identical they are not. The genuine tool with double-row crimp jaws
> is
> somewhere around $300-$400 now, I forget exactly. Here's a photo of
> the assorted pieces in the factory case:
> 
> http://www.w124performance.com/images/tools/chain_tool2.jpg
> 
> BTW - I have a set of double-row crimp jaws for the aftermarket tool
> that I don't need and would sell real cheap if anyone needs them!
> 
> :-)
> 
> -dm
> 
> > --
> > Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 11:47:54 -0400
> > From: Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] 6 degrees of stretch
> > dave walton wrote:
> > > Is this the correct tool?
> > >
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Double-Row-Timing-Chain-Press-Re
pair-Tool_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQitemZ4568203046
> > > 
> > That's quite a low price for that tool. With the proper jaws, the
> tool
> > used to be well over $200 and that was before the dollar dropped in
> > value. I figured they would be $300-350 by now.
> > 
> > Marshall
> 
> 

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Re: [MBZ] Chain crimp tool

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

email me offlist with the info.

Richard Hattaway wrote:


And I have the real tool I will also sell very reasonably!!

Richard
Salisbury NC

--- "Dave M." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



What you see on eBay at that link is a cheap copy tool, not the
genuine Mercedes tool (which is made by Iwis, btw, the chain
manufacturer). The cheap eBay tool will not press on the middle plate
for the new OE style master links, the genuine tool (with appropriate
jaws) will. (The aftermarket master links have slip-fit center
plates,
btw.)

The genuine tool is sold in pieces... the main body, the crimp jaws,
the pressing jaws, etc. Even better, the aftermarket tool jaws are
NOT
compatible with the genuine tool (and vice-versa), although they LOOK
identical they are not. The genuine tool with double-row crimp jaws
is
somewhere around $300-$400 now, I forget exactly. Here's a photo of
the assorted pieces in the factory case:

http://www.w124performance.com/images/tools/chain_tool2.jpg

BTW - I have a set of double-row crimp jaws for the aftermarket tool
that I don't need and would sell real cheap if anyone needs them!

:-)

-dm



--
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 11:47:54 -0400
From: Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 6 degrees of stretch
dave walton wrote:


Is this the correct tool?




http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Double-Row-Timing-Chain-Press-Repair-Tool_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQitemZ4568203046


That's quite a low price for that tool. With the proper jaws, the


tool


used to be well over $200 and that was before the dollar dropped in
value. I figured they would be $300-350 by now.

Marshall





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Re: [MBZ] Chain crimp tool

[Richard Hattaway]

And I have the real tool I will also sell very reasonably!!

Richard
Salisbury NC

--- "Dave M." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> What you see on eBay at that link is a cheap copy tool, not the
> genuine Mercedes tool (which is made by Iwis, btw, the chain
> manufacturer). The cheap eBay tool will not press on the middle plate
> for the new OE style master links, the genuine tool (with appropriate
> jaws) will. (The aftermarket master links have slip-fit center
> plates,
> btw.)
> 
> The genuine tool is sold in pieces... the main body, the crimp jaws,
> the pressing jaws, etc. Even better, the aftermarket tool jaws are
> NOT
> compatible with the genuine tool (and vice-versa), although they LOOK
> identical they are not. The genuine tool with double-row crimp jaws
> is
> somewhere around $300-$400 now, I forget exactly. Here's a photo of
> the assorted pieces in the factory case:
> 
> http://www.w124performance.com/images/tools/chain_tool2.jpg
> 
> BTW - I have a set of double-row crimp jaws for the aftermarket tool
> that I don't need and would sell real cheap if anyone needs them!
> 
> :-)
> 
> -dm
> 
> > --
> > Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 11:47:54 -0400
> > From: Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] 6 degrees of stretch
> > dave walton wrote:
> > > Is this the correct tool?
> > >
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Double-Row-Timing-Chain-Press-Repair-Tool_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQitemZ4568203046
> > > 
> > That's quite a low price for that tool. With the proper jaws, the
> tool
> > used to be well over $200 and that was before the dollar dropped in
> > value. I figured they would be $300-350 by now.
> > 
> > Marshall
> 
> 

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Re: [MBZ] Chain crimp tool

[Dave M.]

What you see on eBay at that link is a cheap copy tool, not the
genuine Mercedes tool (which is made by Iwis, btw, the chain
manufacturer). The cheap eBay tool will not press on the middle plate
for the new OE style master links, the genuine tool (with appropriate
jaws) will. (The aftermarket master links have slip-fit center plates,
btw.)

The genuine tool is sold in pieces... the main body, the crimp jaws,
the pressing jaws, etc. Even better, the aftermarket tool jaws are NOT
compatible with the genuine tool (and vice-versa), although they LOOK
identical they are not. The genuine tool with double-row crimp jaws is
somewhere around $300-$400 now, I forget exactly. Here's a photo of
the assorted pieces in the factory case:

http://www.w124performance.com/images/tools/chain_tool2.jpg

BTW - I have a set of double-row crimp jaws for the aftermarket tool
that I don't need and would sell real cheap if anyone needs them!

:-)

-dm

> --
> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 11:47:54 -0400
> From: Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 6 degrees of stretch
> dave walton wrote:
> > Is this the correct tool?
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Double-Row-Timing-Chain-Press-Repair-Tool_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQitemZ4568203046
> > 
> That's quite a low price for that tool. With the proper jaws, the tool
> used to be well over $200 and that was before the dollar dropped in
> value. I figured they would be $300-350 by now.
> 
> Marshall