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IMO the greatest Bach interpreters of the past are Wanda Landowska (harpsichordist) and conductor Otto Klemperer (for recordings with the Philharmonia Orchestra of the orchestral suites and Brandenburg concerti). Landowska once told another keyboard performer You play Bach your way; I will play him HIS way. On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 11:42 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Amen, Brother! On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Fri, 29 Jul 2011 18:12:37 -0700 (PDT) LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: And Bach kicks some serious butt when jamming on the pipe organ. 'Nuf said. Now that I will most certainly agree with! My favorite music! Craig Who has taken organ lessons, but hasn't had opportunity lately to pull the stops and push the pedals. -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Is Otto Werner's brother? Hoga! rim shot Dan Sent from my iPhone On Jul 30, 2011, at 12:06 PM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: IMO the greatest Bach interpreters of the past are Wanda Landowska (harpsichordist) and conductor Otto Klemperer (for recordings with the Philharmonia Orchestra of the orchestral suites and Brandenburg concerti). Landowska once told another keyboard performer You play Bach your way; I will play him HIS way. On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 11:42 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Amen, Brother! On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Fri, 29 Jul 2011 18:12:37 -0700 (PDT) LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: And Bach kicks some serious butt when jamming on the pipe organ. 'Nuf said. Now that I will most certainly agree with! My favorite music! Craig Who has taken organ lessons, but hasn't had opportunity lately to pull the stops and push the pedals. -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I have to agree that Bach is probably the ne plus ultra of composers. Bach was alive during the transition from Meantone to Equal temperament More than that, he wrote The Well-Tempered Clavier to demonstrate that a tempered instrument could play music in any key. I also have to agree with those who have voted for not being restricted to one composer. The thing that amazes me about musical talent is that there is so much of it out there. Gotta love the gift of music and musical talent! Greg -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Donald Snook Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 5:34 PM To: Mercedes Subject: [MBZ] Composers Luther wrote: n pure terms of innovation during a composer's time period, I would order (from greatest to least) them as such: Bach, Beethoven, Wagner, Mozart. I think greatness should be evaluated mostly on how much new technique they foster that makes an impact for many years to come. Mozart's mature works aren't as obviously mature as they follow the same harmonic structure and normal Classical era form rules. It's hard to put him last based on the amount of music he wrote, but it's all similar Don't get me wrong, I LOVE Mozart. Beethoven Wagner are similar that they expanded and created grand works of a genre. Beethoven combined the choir with the symphony more than once (Fantasia for Piano, Chorus, and Orchestra, Op. 80... 9th Symphony) and Wagner used leit-motif in his opera's that expanded to 4 5 hours. Both have definite differences between young works and mature works. Bach, IMHO, has not been surpassed in his counterpoint (many composers have tried since and NONE have equaled even Bach's modest works, let alone his greatest: The Art of the Fugue) and his chromatic harmony. Bach was alive during the transition from Meantone to Equal temperment and had the luxury of an organ in his early years that was tuned Equally, allowing him to explore chromatic harmony that many composers didn't touch for over 100 years. Study his 150 Cantatas (as I did this summer) and you will find many chromatic chord progressions that boggle the mind. He also wrote a fugue based on his own name, using the notes B-A-C-H (in modern terms B=B-flat H=B-natural) that are 4 neighboring half-steps. Well said. Bach is certainly the most innovative and his genius is hard to argue with. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Luther wrote: Bach was alive during the transition from Meantone to Equal temperament Not really. The mathematically sound equal temperament didn't show up until about 1910. Bach _was_ writing music as temperaments other than meantone were being discovered. Greg Fiorentino wrote: More than that, he wrote The Well-Tempered Clavier to demonstrate that a tempered instrument could play music in any key. There I have to disagree. The Well-Tempered Clavier demonstrates the unique characteristics of each of the various key signatures because of a well tempered scale - _not_ an equal tempered scale. An equal-tempered scale is soulless. All keys sound equally poor. I know of about 8 different _categories_ of temperaments. In each there can be quite a few variations. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Is Otto Werner's brother? Otto was Werner's father. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Then again, let'snot forget Schubert! The great pianist Artur Schnabel (who was the first to record the 32 Beethoven sonatas in 1932) opined that Schubert - not Beethoven or Bach - was the greatest composer (or maybe the most perfect). Schnabel's recordings of the Schubert sonatas are also in a class by themselves. I think some of his discography is on Youtube. On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 9:28 PM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: Is Otto Werner's brother? Otto was Werner's father. -- Jim __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I am crazy about die Forelle. I once had the pleasure of meeting Paul Badura-Skoda who made a beautiful recording of this work. I think that Schubert's Ave Maria is exquisite. Marion Anderson's rendition is ethereal. There is so much wonderful music out there! Greg -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 7:49 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Composers Then again, let'snot forget Schubert! The great pianist Artur Schnabel (who was the first to record the 32 Beethoven sonatas in 1932) opined that Schubert - not Beethoven or Bach - was the greatest composer (or maybe the most perfect). Schnabel's recordings of the Schubert sonatas are also in a class by themselves. I think some of his discography is on Youtube. On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 9:28 PM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: Is Otto Werner's brother? Otto was Werner's father. -- Jim __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://m ail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 20:03:49 -0700 Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.net wrote: I am crazy about die Forelle. I once had the pleasure of meeting Paul Badura-Skoda who made a beautiful recording of this work. I think that Schubert's Ave Maria is exquisite. Marion Anderson's rendition is ethereal. There is so much wonderful music out there! Indeed. Take a listen to Roberto Alagna singing at Versailles. He's singing a little-known work by a little-known composer, but what they do with it is exquisite. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGUxGS9MrIY Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Luther wrote: n pure terms of innovation during a composer's time period, I would order (from greatest to least) them as such: Bach, Beethoven, Wagner, Mozart. I think greatness should be evaluated mostly on how much new technique they foster that makes an impact for many years to come. Mozart's mature works aren't as obviously mature as they follow the same harmonic structure and normal Classical era form rules. It's hard to put him last based on the amount of music he wrote, but it's all similar Don't get me wrong, I LOVE Mozart. Beethoven Wagner are similar that they expanded and created grand works of a genre. Beethoven combined the choir with the symphony more than once (Fantasia for Piano, Chorus, and Orchestra, Op. 80... 9th Symphony) and Wagner used leit-motif in his opera's that expanded to 4 5 hours. Both have definite differences between young works and mature works. Bach, IMHO, has not been surpassed in his counterpoint (many composers have tried since and NONE have equaled even Bach's modest works, let alone his greatest: The Art of the Fugue) and his chromatic harmony. Bach was alive during the transition from Meantone to Equal temperment and had the luxury of an organ in his early years that was tuned Equally, allowing him to explore chromatic harmony that many composers didn't touch for over 100 years. Study his 150 Cantatas (as I did this summer) and you will find many chromatic chord progressions that boggle the mind. He also wrote a fugue based on his own name, using the notes B-A-C-H (in modern terms B=B-flat H=B-natural) that are 4 neighboring half-steps. Well said. Bach is certainly the most innovative and his genius is hard to argue with. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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And Bach kicks some serious butt when jamming on the pipe organ. 'Nuf said. Deutsche Grammophon Dan From: Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com To: Mercedes Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 8:33 PM Subject: [MBZ] Composers Well said. Bach is certainly the most innovative and his genius is hard to argue with. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Fri, 29 Jul 2011 18:12:37 -0700 (PDT) LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: And Bach kicks some serious butt when jamming on the pipe organ. 'Nuf said. Now that I will most certainly agree with! My favorite music! Craig Who has taken organ lessons, but hasn't had opportunity lately to pull the stops and push the pedals. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Amen, Brother! On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Fri, 29 Jul 2011 18:12:37 -0700 (PDT) LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: And Bach kicks some serious butt when jamming on the pipe organ. 'Nuf said. Now that I will most certainly agree with! My favorite music! Craig Who has taken organ lessons, but hasn't had opportunity lately to pull the stops and push the pedals. -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
