Re: [MBZ] Damn 606 intake manifold.

2007-10-16 Thread Loren Faeth
You are not supposed to own one of those things.  If it is out of 
warranty/off lease, it is meant to be scrapped.  You are supposed to 
buy a new one.

At 09:47 PM 10/14/2007, you wrote:
Anybody figure out a way to diagnose and work on the fuel side of a 606
engine ?
That big intake manifold system completely covers the entire driver side of
my 606.910 engines.
And it's always a PITA to diagnose and repair fuel leaks, fuel injection,
and idle problems because you cannot see or reach anything on that side of
the engine with the engine fully assembled and  running.  And I don't think
you can run the engine with the intake manifold removed.  It is not near as
convienient as working on a 617 (and I presume 602, 3 or 4 engines).

I've had limited success removing the body underside covers and laying under
the car with it up on blocks.  But this feels dangerous and what you can
safely reach and manipulate from underneath is pretty limited.

To repair anything on the FI pump side, you have to guess what the problem
is, then invest a couple of hours removing and replacing the crossover and
intake manifold to change some part or make adjustment. Then start the
engine to see what effect it had.  Usually you have to repeat that whole
procedure over and over until you guessed the correct fix.  I keep a stock
of intake manifold gaskets to do this.

Am I going about this all wrong?  Has anybody else with a '95 E300D found an
easier way to work on this side of the engine?

Thanks,
Ned Kleinhenz
'95 E300D x2
'85 300D
'80 300TD
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[MBZ] Damn 606 intake manifold.

2007-10-14 Thread ned kleinhenz
Anybody figure out a way to diagnose and work on the fuel side of a 606
engine ?
That big intake manifold system completely covers the entire driver side of
my 606.910 engines.
And it's always a PITA to diagnose and repair fuel leaks, fuel injection,
and idle problems because you cannot see or reach anything on that side of
the engine with the engine fully assembled and  running.  And I don't think
you can run the engine with the intake manifold removed.  It is not near as
convienient as working on a 617 (and I presume 602, 3 or 4 engines).

I've had limited success removing the body underside covers and laying under
the car with it up on blocks.  But this feels dangerous and what you can
safely reach and manipulate from underneath is pretty limited.

To repair anything on the FI pump side, you have to guess what the problem
is, then invest a couple of hours removing and replacing the crossover and
intake manifold to change some part or make adjustment. Then start the
engine to see what effect it had.  Usually you have to repeat that whole
procedure over and over until you guessed the correct fix.  I keep a stock
of intake manifold gaskets to do this.

Am I going about this all wrong?  Has anybody else with a '95 E300D found an
easier way to work on this side of the engine?

Thanks,
Ned Kleinhenz
'95 E300D x2
'85 300D
'80 300TD
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Re: [MBZ] Damn 606 intake manifold

2007-10-14 Thread Vik Momjian
Hello Ned ,

I agree it's a PITA to have to remove the intake ! My 617s (126 and 123) are a 
breeze to work on
as compared to the 606. 

My MB tech/mechanic friend who replaced the delivery valve seals showed me that 
you could start
and run the engine with the intake off if diagnosing fuel leaks. The engine did 
run rough, but it
beats assembling and disassembling back and forth.

If you do find alternate methods , please share !!!

regards,

VIK MOMJIAN
1996 E300D 198k miles
1981 300SD 273k miles
1980 300TD 149k miles (needs some top end repairs) 

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