Re: [MBZ] Diesel/gas prices
Everybody should just chill. The price of oil has started falling and there is no economic basis for it not to retrace all the way back down to $60/bbl or even less in a matter of months if not weeks. On Nov 12, 2007 12:10 PM, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: only if the government is spending money it actually has. We are borrowing money from the Fed, which is created by fiat - increasing the money supply. SO MUCH SO that the Fed quit publishing the statistics on the M3 money supply as the growth in it is so high. Chris Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: War tends to heat up the economy make it grow because now we need to replace of the neat toys that went boom. In other words, war tends to be anti-inflationary. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of archer Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 9:22 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel/gas prices - Original Message - From: Christopher McCann the main problem we are seeing right now is the impact of China's Central Bank which on Nov 6 announced that it will begin diversifying its reserve currencies away from weak ones like the dollar towards strong currencies. It was a devastating statement and that date will be one that goes down in history as the beginning of the upcoming period of high inflation. The US money supply is growing at 20%/ year. We don't have 20% economic growth...this is currency inflation by the Federal Reserve...currency debasement. When a currency is worth less, foreigners will want more of it for the same product. On Nov. 6, the US dollar hit record lows against main foreign currencies. Example - You now need $1.10 to buy 1 canadian dollar.(!!!). Fed Chairman Bernanke was grilled the following day in Congress by Ron Paul and Bernanke admitted that this will only effect consumers who buy imported goods - () - well, fuel is imported. Yes, it takes months for oil to reach the pump, but that does not mean that prices can't be raised now on account of it. (I know about the demand for heating oil and harvesting). All these things are combining, but the key is the plummeting dollar. We are in for a bad ride. Chris -- In your opinion will we have government devaluation of the dollar such as South American countries have routinely had in the past? Do you think we would have been in this situation without the Iraq war? Gerry Archer '83 300D and 240D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 367K km, Wulf -1992 350 Ram Wagon, 58K miles, The Behemoth __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel/gas prices
Ah, an optimist! Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 3:36 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel/gas prices Everybody should just chill. The price of oil has started falling and there is no economic basis for it not to retrace all the way back down to $60/bbl or even less in a matter of months if not weeks. On Nov 12, 2007 12:10 PM, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: only if the government is spending money it actually has. We are borrowing money from the Fed, which is created by fiat - increasing the money supply. SO MUCH SO that the Fed quit publishing the statistics on the M3 money supply as the growth in it is so high. Chris Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: War tends to heat up the economy make it grow because now we need to replace of the neat toys that went boom. In other words, war tends to be anti-inflationary. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of archer Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 9:22 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel/gas prices - Original Message - From: Christopher McCann the main problem we are seeing right now is the impact of China's Central Bank which on Nov 6 announced that it will begin diversifying its reserve currencies away from weak ones like the dollar towards strong currencies. It was a devastating statement and that date will be one that goes down in history as the beginning of the upcoming period of high inflation. The US money supply is growing at 20%/ year. We don't have 20% economic growth...this is currency inflation by the Federal Reserve...currency debasement. When a currency is worth less, foreigners will want more of it for the same product. On Nov. 6, the US dollar hit record lows against main foreign currencies. Example - You now need $1.10 to buy 1 canadian dollar.(!!!). Fed Chairman Bernanke was grilled the following day in Congress by Ron Paul and Bernanke admitted that this will only effect consumers who buy imported goods - () - well, fuel is imported. Yes, it takes months for oil to reach the pump, but that does not mean that prices can't be raised now on account of it. (I know about the demand for heating oil and harvesting). All these things are combining, but the key is the plummeting dollar. We are in for a bad ride. Chris -- In your opinion will we have government devaluation of the dollar such as South American countries have routinely had in the past? Do you think we would have been in this situation without the Iraq war? Gerry Archer '83 300D and 240D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 367K km, Wulf -1992 350 Ram Wagon, 58K miles, The Behemoth __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel/gas prices
OK, Gentleman's bet. We'll see. Chris andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Everybody should just chill. The price of oil has started falling and there is no economic basis for it not to retrace all the way back down to $60/bbl or even less in a matter of months if not weeks. On Nov 12, 2007 12:10 PM, Christopher McCann wrote: only if the government is spending money it actually has. We are borrowing money from the Fed, which is created by fiat - increasing the money supply. SO MUCH SO that the Fed quit publishing the statistics on the M3 money supply as the growth in it is so high. Chris Tom Hargrave wrote: War tends to heat up the economy make it grow because now we need to replace of the neat toys that went boom. In other words, war tends to be anti-inflationary. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of archer Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 9:22 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel/gas prices - Original Message - From: Christopher McCann the main problem we are seeing right now is the impact of China's Central Bank which on Nov 6 announced that it will begin diversifying its reserve currencies away from weak ones like the dollar towards strong currencies. It was a devastating statement and that date will be one that goes down in history as the beginning of the upcoming period of high inflation. The US money supply is growing at 20%/ year. We don't have 20% economic growth...this is currency inflation by the Federal Reserve...currency debasement. When a currency is worth less, foreigners will want more of it for the same product. On Nov. 6, the US dollar hit record lows against main foreign currencies. Example - You now need $1.10 to buy 1 canadian dollar.(!!!). Fed Chairman Bernanke was grilled the following day in Congress by Ron Paul and Bernanke admitted that this will only effect consumers who buy imported goods - () - well, fuel is imported. Yes, it takes months for oil to reach the pump, but that does not mean that prices can't be raised now on account of it. (I know about the demand for heating oil and harvesting). All these things are combining, but the key is the plummeting dollar. We are in for a bad ride. Chris -- In your opinion will we have government devaluation of the dollar such as South American countries have routinely had in the past? Do you think we would have been in this situation without the Iraq war? Gerry Archer '83 300D and 240D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 367K km, Wulf -1992 350 Ram Wagon, 58K miles, The Behemoth __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 367K km, Wulf -1992 350 Ram Wagon, 58K miles, The Behemoth - Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel/gas prices
Supply and demand rules dictate that the long term trend must rise. Less Supply + Great Demand = Higher Prices Tom www.kegkits.com Original Message From: Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11/13/07 04:05 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel/gas prices -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= OK, Gentleman's bet. We'll see. Chris andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Everybody should just chill. The price of oil has started falling and there is no economic basis for it not to retrace all the way back down to $60/bbl or even less in a matter of months if not weeks. On Nov 12, 2007 12:10 PM, Christopher McCann wrote: only if the government is spending money it actually has. We are borrowing money from the Fed, which is created by fiat - increasing the money supply. SO MUCH SO that the Fed quit publishing the statistics on the M3 money supply as the growth in it is so high. Chris Tom Hargrave wrote: War tends to heat up the economy make it grow because now we need to replace of the neat toys that went boom. In other words, war tends to be anti-inflationary. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of archer Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 9:22 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel/gas prices - Original Message - From: Christopher McCann the main problem we are seeing right now is the impact of China's Central Bank which on Nov 6 announced that it will begin diversifying its reserve currencies away from weak ones like the dollar towards strong currencies. It was a devastating statement and that date will be one that goes down in history as the beginning of the upcoming period of high inflation. The US money supply is growing at 20%/ year. We don't have 20% economic growth...this is currency inflation by the Federal Reserve...currency debasement. When a currency is worth less, foreigners will want more of it for the same product. On Nov. 6, the US dollar hit record lows against main foreign currencies. Example - You now need $1.10 to buy 1 canadian dollar.(!!!). Fed Chairman Bernanke was grilled the following day in Congress by Ron Paul and Bernanke admitted that this will only effect consumers who buy imported goods - () - well, fuel is imported. Yes, it takes months for oil to reach the pump, but that does not mean that prices can't be raised now on account of it. (I know about the demand for heating oil and harvesting). All these things are combining, but the key is the plummeting dollar. We are in for a bad ride. Chris -- In your opinion will we have government devaluation of the dollar such as South American countries have routinely had in the past? Do you think we would have been in this situation without the Iraq war? Gerry Archer '83 300D and 240D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 367K km, Wulf -1992 350 Ram Wagon, 58K miles, The Behemoth __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 367K km, Wulf -1992 350 Ram Wagon, 58K miles, The Behemoth - Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Diesel/gas prices
Seriously, everybody guess how much higher China's and India's oil demand is this year compared to last? (Hint: it's a lot less than you think). On Nov 13, 2007 5:11 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Supply and demand rules dictate that the long term trend must rise. Less Supply + Great Demand = Higher Prices Tom www.kegkits.com Original Message From: Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11/13/07 04:05 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel/gas prices -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= OK, Gentleman's bet. We'll see. Chris andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Everybody should just chill. The price of oil has started falling and there is no economic basis for it not to retrace all the way back down to $60/bbl or even less in a matter of months if not weeks. On Nov 12, 2007 12:10 PM, Christopher McCann wrote: only if the government is spending money it actually has. We are borrowing money from the Fed, which is created by fiat - increasing the money supply. SO MUCH SO that the Fed quit publishing the statistics on the M3 money supply as the growth in it is so high. Chris Tom Hargrave wrote: War tends to heat up the economy make it grow because now we need to replace of the neat toys that went boom. In other words, war tends to be anti-inflationary. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of archer Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 9:22 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel/gas prices - Original Message - From: Christopher McCann the main problem we are seeing right now is the impact of China's Central Bank which on Nov 6 announced that it will begin diversifying its reserve currencies away from weak ones like the dollar towards strong currencies. It was a devastating statement and that date will be one that goes down in history as the beginning of the upcoming period of high inflation. The US money supply is growing at 20%/ year. We don't have 20% economic growth...this is currency inflation by the Federal Reserve...currency debasement. When a currency is worth less, foreigners will want more of it for the same product. On Nov. 6, the US dollar hit record lows against main foreign currencies. Example - You now need $1.10 to buy 1 canadian dollar.(!!!). Fed Chairman Bernanke was grilled the following day in Congress by Ron Paul and Bernanke admitted that this will only effect consumers who buy imported goods - () - well, fuel is imported. Yes, it takes months for oil to reach the pump, but that does not mean that prices can't be raised now on account of it. (I know about the demand for heating oil and harvesting). All these things are combining, but the key is the plummeting dollar. We are in for a bad ride. Chris -- In your opinion will we have government devaluation of the dollar such as South American countries have routinely had in the past? Do you think we would have been in this situation without the Iraq war? Gerry Archer '83 300D and 240D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 367K km, Wulf -1992 350 Ram Wagon, 58K miles, The Behemoth __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 367K km, Wulf -1992 350 Ram Wagon, 58K miles, The Behemoth - Get easy, one-click access
Re: [MBZ] Diesel/gas prices
Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Supply and demand rules dictate that the long term trend must rise. Less Supply + Great Demand = Higher Prices I do recall hearing a report that some big-time financial guru (might have been Warren Buffet) said that we were in an oil price bubble and the prices were not justifiable based on current demand and supply and that there would be a correction. That was some months ago, maybe early summer or so? Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I read recently that oil consumption (demand) only grew 1 percent for China and India. If this is true then we are in one HELLUVA bubble that could easily burst Think 1615 Dutch Tulip Craze. On Nov 13, 2007 5:24 PM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Supply and demand rules dictate that the long term trend must rise. Less Supply + Great Demand = Higher Prices I do recall hearing a report that some big-time financial guru (might have been Warren Buffet) said that we were in an oil price bubble and the prices were not justifiable based on current demand and supply and that there would be a correction. That was some months ago, maybe early summer or so? Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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We could have lower demand and larger supplies and STILL pay more because we import it - so you must take the value of the dollar into account...and it has been falling for several years and took another big hit with the Chinese central bank announcement. Chris Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom Hargrave writes: Supply and demand rules dictate that the long term trend must rise. Less Supply + Great Demand = Higher Prices I do recall hearing a report that some big-time financial guru (might have been Warren Buffet) said that we were in an oil price bubble and the prices were not justifiable based on current demand and supply and that there would be a correction. That was some months ago, maybe early summer or so? Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 367K km, Wulf -1992 350 Ram Wagon, 58K miles, The Behemoth - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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andrew strasfogel wrote: Seriously, everybody guess how much higher China's and India's oil demand is this year compared to last? I would assume it's somewhere near China's claimed 10% GDP growth. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I would have thought that too, but the news article said growth was closer to1 percent On 11/13/07, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: andrew strasfogel wrote: Seriously, everybody guess how much higher China's and India's oil demand is this year compared to last? I would assume it's somewhere near China's claimed 10% GDP growth. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: i'm not gonna light my furnace till december if at all. i'm working from home. i've stopped using the washer and dryer. I hope you're still bathing Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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BioD in Germany is about 1.20 Euro/literso it is not double, unless you use the more recent dollar to Euro conversion...but that is not a fair comparison because that is a problem with the falling dollar, not with Euro fuel prices. Chris Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have no idea what gasoline and diesel fuel prices are in China and India. In Europe, they are roughly double what we pay here, the difference largely being due to taxes. Some oil producing countries (Venezuela, Middle East countries) sell at artificially low prices domestically because the government owns the production and it makes the citizens happy. Allan On Nov 11, 2007, at 1:45 PM, LarryT wrote: We've talked about the role Chindia plays in the rise of fuel prices - But do BillyBob in China SallySue in India pay the same price we pay here? i.e. $3.00+/gal? If not, why not? Supply demand should be equal everywhere, right? And if yes, I would think $3+/gal. would slow their growth dramatically given the standard of living. or maybe those who can afford to buy cars aren't affected by the cost? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 367K km, Wulf -1992 350 Ram Wagon, 58K miles, The Behemoth __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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the main problem we are seeing right now is the impact of China's Central Bank which on Nov 6 announced that it will begin diversifying its reserve currencies away from weak ones like the dollar towards strong currencies. It was a devastating statement and that date will be one that goes down in history as the beginning of the upcoming period of high inflation. The US money supply is growing at 20%/ year. We don't have 20% economic growth...this is currency inflation by the Federal Reserve...currency debasement. When a currency is worth less, foreigners will want more of it for the same product. On Nov. 6, the US dollar hit record lows against main foreign currencies. Example - You now need $1.10 to buy 1 canadian dollar.(!!!). Fed Chairman Bernanke was grilled the following day in Congress by Ron Paul and Bernanke admitted that this will only effect consumers who buy imported goods - () - well, fuel is imported. Yes, it takes months for oil to reach the pump, but that does not mean that prices can't be raised now on account of it. (I know about the demand for heating oil and harvesting). All these things are combining, but the key is the plummeting dollar. We are in for a bad ride. Chris Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The impact China and India have on the price of oil is their rapidly growing manufacturing base, which is growing to support US. As far as gas prices are concerned, convince our Government to stop taxing and start subsidising gas and we too can have lower gas prices rotten roads an even worse deficate than we have now. In other words, gas prices in these countries are being held lower than actual production cost to help them grow even faster. Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: LarryT To: Mercedes Discussion List ; The FerrariList Sent: 11/11/07 12:50 PM Subject: [MBZ] Diesel/gas prices We've talked about the role Chindia plays in the rise of fuel prices - But do BillyBob in China SallySue in India pay the same price we pay here? i.e. $3.00+/gal? If not, why not? Supply demand should be equal everywhere, right? And if yes, I would think $3+/gal. would slow their growth dramatically given the standard of living. or maybe those who can afford to buy cars aren't affected by the cost? What am I missing? Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 367K km, Wulf -1992 350 Ram Wagon, 58K miles, The Behemoth __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I got my numbers from a page on CNN's web site as a result of a Google search. The prices across Europe were not consistent -- Denmark, Sweden, and Norway were more than double as I recall, with other countries not that high but still more than what we are paying. Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: BioD in Germany is about 1.20 Euro/literso it is not double, unless you use the more recent dollar to Euro conversion...but that is not a fair comparison because that is a problem with the falling dollar, not with Euro fuel prices. Chris -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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that is the differing tax part, and they do pay way more taxes. But they don't pay more for crude. AND BioD is everywhere and the cheapest diesel fuel to be had, at least in Germany. In Germany, sales taxes on diesel cars are higher than gas cars...THAT I cannot comprehend. My German friend said, if that weren't the case, then everyone would drive diesel. And the problem with that is.? No idea. At least we can get a Fed tax credit for a new diesel. Chris Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I got my numbers from a page on CNN's web site as a result of a Google search. The prices across Europe were not consistent -- Denmark, Sweden, and Norway were more than double as I recall, with other countries not that high but still more than what we are paying. Christopher McCann writes: BioD in Germany is about 1.20 Euro/literso it is not double, unless you use the more recent dollar to Euro conversion...but that is not a fair comparison because that is a problem with the falling dollar, not with Euro fuel prices. Chris -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 367K km, Wulf -1992 350 Ram Wagon, 58K miles, The Behemoth __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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You have the answer right there -- more popular so must be taxed more. The socialist governments have never seen a tax they don't like, especially on things their people like. --R Christopher McCann wrote: In Germany, sales taxes on diesel cars are higher than gas cars...THAT I cannot comprehend. My German friend said, if that weren't the case, then everyone would drive diesel. And the problem with that is.? No idea. At least we can get a Fed tax credit for a new diesel. Chris ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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- Original Message - From: Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] the main problem we are seeing right now is the impact of China's Central Bank which on Nov 6 announced that it will begin diversifying its reserve currencies away from weak ones like the dollar towards strong currencies. It was a devastating statement and that date will be one that goes down in history as the beginning of the upcoming period of high inflation. The US money supply is growing at 20%/ year. We don't have 20% economic growth...this is currency inflation by the Federal Reserve...currency debasement. When a currency is worth less, foreigners will want more of it for the same product. On Nov. 6, the US dollar hit record lows against main foreign currencies. Example - You now need $1.10 to buy 1 canadian dollar.(!!!). Fed Chairman Bernanke was grilled the following day in Congress by Ron Paul and Bernanke admitted that this will only effect consumers who buy imported goods - () - well, fuel is imported. Yes, it takes months for oil to reach the pump, but that does not mean that prices can't be raised now on account of it. (I know about the demand for heating oil and harvesting). All these things are combining, but the key is the plummeting dollar. We are in for a bad ride. Chris -- In your opinion will we have government devaluation of the dollar such as South American countries have routinely had in the past? Do you think we would have been in this situation without the Iraq war? Gerry Archer '83 300D and 240D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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never did much of that to begin with, but i am using the water heater. it's really too hard for me to function without hot water or i'd shut that down as well. On Nov 12, 2007 9:06 AM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: i'm not gonna light my furnace till december if at all. i'm working from home. i've stopped using the washer and dryer. I hope you're still bathing Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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i recall there was some story once about this war being about cheap fuel prices. like just about every story about this war, that didn't really work out. On Nov 12, 2007 10:22 AM, archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] the main problem we are seeing right now is the impact of China's Central Bank which on Nov 6 announced that it will begin diversifying its reserve currencies away from weak ones like the dollar towards strong currencies. It was a devastating statement and that date will be one that goes down in history as the beginning of the upcoming period of high inflation. The US money supply is growing at 20%/ year. We don't have 20% economic growth...this is currency inflation by the Federal Reserve...currency debasement. When a currency is worth less, foreigners will want more of it for the same product. On Nov. 6, the US dollar hit record lows against main foreign currencies. Example - You now need $1.10 to buy 1 canadian dollar.(!!!). Fed Chairman Bernanke was grilled the following day in Congress by Ron Paul and Bernanke admitted that this will only effect consumers who buy imported goods - () - well, fuel is imported. Yes, it takes months for oil to reach the pump, but that does not mean that prices can't be raised now on account of it. (I know about the demand for heating oil and harvesting). All these things are combining, but the key is the plummeting dollar. We are in for a bad ride. Chris -- In your opinion will we have government devaluation of the dollar such as South American countries have routinely had in the past? Do you think we would have been in this situation without the Iraq war? Gerry Archer '83 300D and 240D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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War tends to heat up the economy make it grow because now we need to replace of the neat toys that went boom. In other words, war tends to be anti-inflationary. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of archer Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 9:22 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel/gas prices - Original Message - From: Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] the main problem we are seeing right now is the impact of China's Central Bank which on Nov 6 announced that it will begin diversifying its reserve currencies away from weak ones like the dollar towards strong currencies. It was a devastating statement and that date will be one that goes down in history as the beginning of the upcoming period of high inflation. The US money supply is growing at 20%/ year. We don't have 20% economic growth...this is currency inflation by the Federal Reserve...currency debasement. When a currency is worth less, foreigners will want more of it for the same product. On Nov. 6, the US dollar hit record lows against main foreign currencies. Example - You now need $1.10 to buy 1 canadian dollar.(!!!). Fed Chairman Bernanke was grilled the following day in Congress by Ron Paul and Bernanke admitted that this will only effect consumers who buy imported goods - () - well, fuel is imported. Yes, it takes months for oil to reach the pump, but that does not mean that prices can't be raised now on account of it. (I know about the demand for heating oil and harvesting). All these things are combining, but the key is the plummeting dollar. We are in for a bad ride. Chris -- In your opinion will we have government devaluation of the dollar such as South American countries have routinely had in the past? Do you think we would have been in this situation without the Iraq war? Gerry Archer '83 300D and 240D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Too much sharing of information. --R Gary Hurst wrote: never did much of that to begin with, but i am using the water heater. it's really too hard for me to function without hot water or i'd shut that down as well. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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We already have govt devaluation of the dollar. The money supply is growing at 20% annually. If the economy is not growing at 20% then there is too much money chasing too few goods and services and there WILL be inflation. We have gotten away with this in the past as the dollar is the world reserve currency...but that is changing (see reference to China central bank below). Once the world market for dollars shrinks, those dollars will start finding their way back to the US and create even more money here, increasing inflation even more. Ron Paul grilled Bernanke on this last week: http://youtube.com/watch?v=nj9KHJRRUbQ I think the war has added to the problem because to pay for it (and other things), the gov is borrowing money from the federal reserve. The Fed creates this money from nothing (by fiat), the loans it to gov which spends it...then they pay interest on it. This creation of money from nothing increases the money supply and THAT is the cause of inflation. Higher prices is the EFFECT of inflation. Chris archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Christopher McCann the main problem we are seeing right now is the impact of China's Central Bank which on Nov 6 announced that it will begin diversifying its reserve currencies away from weak ones like the dollar towards strong currencies. It was a devastating statement and that date will be one that goes down in history as the beginning of the upcoming period of high inflation. The US money supply is growing at 20%/ year. We don't have 20% economic growth...this is currency inflation by the Federal Reserve...currency debasement. When a currency is worth less, foreigners will want more of it for the same product. On Nov. 6, the US dollar hit record lows against main foreign currencies. Example - You now need $1.10 to buy 1 canadian dollar.(!!!). Fed Chairman Bernanke was grilled the following day in Congress by Ron Paul and Bernanke admitted that this will only effect consumers who buy imported goods - () - well, fuel is imported. Yes, it takes months for oil to reach the pump, but that does not mean that prices can't be raised now on account of it. (I know about the demand for heating oil and harvesting). All these things are combining, but the key is the plummeting dollar. We are in for a bad ride. Chris -- In your opinion will we have government devaluation of the dollar such as South American countries have routinely had in the past? Do you think we would have been in this situation without the Iraq war? Gerry Archer '83 300D and 240D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 367K km, Wulf -1992 350 Ram Wagon, 58K miles, The Behemoth __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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only if the government is spending money it actually has. We are borrowing money from the Fed, which is created by fiat - increasing the money supply. SO MUCH SO that the Fed quit publishing the statistics on the M3 money supply as the growth in it is so high. Chris Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: War tends to heat up the economy make it grow because now we need to replace of the neat toys that went boom. In other words, war tends to be anti-inflationary. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of archer Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 9:22 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel/gas prices - Original Message - From: Christopher McCann the main problem we are seeing right now is the impact of China's Central Bank which on Nov 6 announced that it will begin diversifying its reserve currencies away from weak ones like the dollar towards strong currencies. It was a devastating statement and that date will be one that goes down in history as the beginning of the upcoming period of high inflation. The US money supply is growing at 20%/ year. We don't have 20% economic growth...this is currency inflation by the Federal Reserve...currency debasement. When a currency is worth less, foreigners will want more of it for the same product. On Nov. 6, the US dollar hit record lows against main foreign currencies. Example - You now need $1.10 to buy 1 canadian dollar.(!!!). Fed Chairman Bernanke was grilled the following day in Congress by Ron Paul and Bernanke admitted that this will only effect consumers who buy imported goods - () - well, fuel is imported. Yes, it takes months for oil to reach the pump, but that does not mean that prices can't be raised now on account of it. (I know about the demand for heating oil and harvesting). All these things are combining, but the key is the plummeting dollar. We are in for a bad ride. Chris -- In your opinion will we have government devaluation of the dollar such as South American countries have routinely had in the past? Do you think we would have been in this situation without the Iraq war? Gerry Archer '83 300D and 240D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 367K km, Wulf -1992 350 Ram Wagon, 58K miles, The Behemoth __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Diesel/gas prices
We've talked about the role Chindia plays in the rise of fuel prices - But do BillyBob in China SallySue in India pay the same price we pay here? i.e. $3.00+/gal? If not, why not? Supply demand should be equal everywhere, right? And if yes, I would think $3+/gal. would slow their growth dramatically given the standard of living. or maybe those who can afford to buy cars aren't affected by the cost? What am I missing? Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I have no idea what gasoline and diesel fuel prices are in China and India. In Europe, they are roughly double what we pay here, the difference largely being due to taxes. Some oil producing countries (Venezuela, Middle East countries) sell at artificially low prices domestically because the government owns the production and it makes the citizens happy. Allan On Nov 11, 2007, at 1:45 PM, LarryT wrote: We've talked about the role Chindia plays in the rise of fuel prices - But do BillyBob in China SallySue in India pay the same price we pay here? i.e. $3.00+/gal? If not, why not? Supply demand should be equal everywhere, right? And if yes, I would think $3+/gal. would slow their growth dramatically given the standard of living. or maybe those who can afford to buy cars aren't affected by the cost? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The impact China and India have on the price of oil is their rapidly growing manufacturing base, which is growing to support US. As far as gas prices are concerned, convince our Government to stop taxing and start subsidising gas and we too can have lower gas prices rotten roads an even worse deficate than we have now. In other words, gas prices in these countries are being held lower than actual production cost to help them grow even faster. Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com; The FerrariList [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11/11/07 12:50 PM Subject: [MBZ] Diesel/gas prices We've talked about the role Chindia plays in the rise of fuel prices - But do BillyBob in China SallySue in India pay the same price we pay here? i.e. $3.00+/gal? If not, why not? Supply demand should be equal everywhere, right? And if yes, I would think $3+/gal. would slow their growth dramatically given the standard of living. or maybe those who can afford to buy cars aren't affected by the cost? What am I missing? Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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These days, a 42 gallon barrel of crude is about $95. I'm stunned that I can still buy gas at the pump, taxes and all, for less than $3.20. (but diesel is over $3.50, and kerosene is more than that) When gas hit $3.20 in the summer of '06, I believe crude was a bit under $80. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Pump prices are somewhat independent of crude prices (there are other factors, such as the upcoming demand for home heating oil that will push diesel up quite a bit this winter) and low demand due to the end of the summer driving season. That notwithstanding, pump prices will lag from 30 to 60 days changes in crude prices, since the crude is paid for essentially when it leaves the ground, and it takes a month or two for it to arrive at the refinery, get refined, then shipped to the service station. Prices will go up some more, $3.50 or so for regular is my purely seat of the pants estimate, near $4 for diesel in the cold months. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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i'm of the opinion that this is going to end up being a disaster, starting with regular people who now have to pay $400 a month to heat their home that they bought and can't afford and another $400 a month to drive their car that they can't afford either. i'm not gonna light my furnace till december if at all. i'm working from home. i've stopped using the washer and dryer. i'm buying just about everything via mail order. i'm looking into climate proof housing out of recycled materials. i'll probably join the recycled fuel crowd as well before long. On Nov 11, 2007 5:27 PM, Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pump prices are somewhat independent of crude prices (there are other factors, such as the upcoming demand for home heating oil that will push diesel up quite a bit this winter) and low demand due to the end of the summer driving season. That notwithstanding, pump prices will lag from 30 to 60 days changes in crude prices, since the crude is paid for essentially when it leaves the ground, and it takes a month or two for it to arrive at the refinery, get refined, then shipped to the service station. Prices will go up some more, $3.50 or so for regular is my purely seat of the pants estimate, near $4 for diesel in the cold months. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
