Re: [MBZ] FIAT vs Ferrari vs Schumacher
Hello All, Ever since I was 13 or 14 I've been crazy for F1 - I read the all the books and magazines about the sport, followed the drivers, watched the races and taped them (I have 95% of them going back to 84 or so) so I could watch them again. I loved anything and everything about F1 but I've become less than enthralled with F1 over the last 10 years - probably since Senna's death - and all the technological advances have changed the driving greatly. I miss the days when they had to use one hand to shift and the other to steer for instance. I have video of Senna around Monaco shifting and steering on his way to a pole position - amazing stuff. And the start used to be an amazing experience if sight and sound - now, they never spin their tires (even without traction control so they claim) and the sound of an engine at 18000 rpm is more like an electric motor than a gas engine. Also - the grooved tires, reduced track and all those crazy aerodynamic aids sticking out everywhere leave me wanting the old days. If they really want to slow the cars down all they have to do is limit the bodywork behind the driver -- they;d lose traction and *have* to slow down. Then we could go back to some of the leading edge technology everyone (but me) wants so badly without killing a bunch of drivers. I've started watching Champ Cars Indy cars when they run on road courses - (I still can;t stand ovals -- left turn, left turn, left turn, and on and on and on) seeing them running those wide slicks with the driver shifting - like sports cars are supposed to shift - oh, well - I;m just another old fart wishing for the good old days. I wish everyone a nice Sunday - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] FIAT vs Ferrari vs Schumacher That's the other thing I think is superior about F1. VERY FEW if any of the tracks are flat! Lots of elevation changes, blind corners and off camber stuff to deal with. Not some goofy oval that evryone drives around and around and the last one to get dizzy wins. Jeff Zedic Toronto ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.3/395 - Release Date: 7/21/2006
Re: [MBZ] FIAT vs Ferrari vs Schumacher
LarryT wrote: Hello All, Ever since I was 13 or 14 I've been crazy for F1 - I read the all the books and magazines about the sport, I was a fan via the pages of RoadTrack. Every month, there would be multipage write-ups of each race, usually written by Innes Ireland or Rob Walker. In the early 1990s, they dropped this excellent coverage and I dropped my subscription. Also, like you, I quit caring after Senna's death, and the lawsuits, criminal charges, etc. Fully automating the initial drag race to turn one made it a contest of programmers, not drivers, and the difficulty of passing made the races much less interesting to watch than IRL, CART, or NASCAR. I wish I had a DVD collection of the old CAN-AM series from the days of Dennis Hume, and F1 races from the days before wings. I still have this matchbox car, got it new when I was four years old (but mine looks like crap in comparison): http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=120010331227
Re: [MBZ] FIAT vs Ferrari vs Schumacher
Larry, I agree that they REALLY need to do something to improve F1. Mainly, we eed more actual RACING!! The way it is now with the strategy being all about pit stops is crapMany times I've seen the top 10 positions separated by 1.5-2 seconds in qualifying.ok, so why so little overtaking then??? Max Mosley of the FIA is looking to make changes to the formula and limit aero packages Not sure about the shifting thoughthey've had the paddle boxes for ages now, so the gearshift would be a real throwback. I'd like full slicks, less downforce but all the electronics they want..but just give us some racing! Maybe they should go back to having no pit stops.They did it before Jeff Zedic Toronto
Re: [MBZ] FIAT vs Ferrari vs Schumacher
On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 16:27:17 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=F1+vs+Ferrari+vs+Fiat Amazing. The Fiat starts first with a 30 second lead over the Ferrari which starts with nearly a minute lead over the F1, which starts third. They finish 3 - 2 - 1. Craig
Re: [MBZ] FIAT vs Ferrari vs Schumacher
And that's with 10 year old F1 car.mind you, they were all 10 year old cars... notice the full slicks and decidedly lowtech/Indy nose cone on the F1 car??? ...primitive... The new smaller engine2.4 litre V8's are running faster lap times than the 3 litre V10's because they have better aero packages nowthe G forces are getting VERY high now.Jenson Button pulled 5.2G's in practise in his Honda!!! 5.2!!! It's only going to get better when they go back to full slicks in a couple of years...I've already heard of a test driver pulling 6G's Jeff Zedic Somewhat of an F1 fan Toronto 87 300TD
Re: [MBZ] FIAT vs Ferrari vs Schumacher
I think I posted a link to the same thing that MB did with David Coulthard and an A Class followed by an E55 AMG...same head start...same result. This was a W210 E55 so it was fewer years ago. Jeff Zedic Toronto
Re: [MBZ] FIAT vs Ferrari vs Schumacher
That is serious traction - more G's than I ever pulled (or the plane would survive) in a Citabria! I can't imagine pulling those kind of G's on a flat surface! On 7/22/06, Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And that's with 10 year old F1 car.mind you, they were all 10 year old cars... notice the full slicks and decidedly lowtech/Indy nose cone on the F1 car??? ...primitive... The new smaller engine2.4 litre V8's are running faster lap times than the 3 litre V10's because they have better aero packages nowthe G forces are getting VERY high now.Jenson Button pulled 5.2G's in practise in his Honda!!! 5.2!!! It's only going to get better when they go back to full slicks in a couple of years...I've already heard of a test driver pulling 6G's -- OK Don, KD5NRO - needing to learn more about current F1 tech. Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] FIAT vs Ferrari vs Schumacher
You want to know about F1 traction? Even without full slicks and with five year old aero packages, an F1 car can run upside down on the ceiling if you had a covered track. Once it's up to speed of course. You have a car and driver that weighs 1100 lbs max and they have 3500+ lbs of downforce. Jeff Zedic Toronto 87 300TD
Re: [MBZ] FIAT vs Ferrari vs Schumacher
That's the other thing I think is superior about F1. VERY FEW if any of the tracks are flat! Lots of elevation changes, blind corners and off camber stuff to deal with. Not some goofy oval that evryone drives around and around and the last one to get dizzy wins. Jeff Zedic Toronto
Re: [MBZ] FIAT vs Ferrari vs Schumacher
Hmmm - sounds like they have the lifting body perfected, just up-side-down! What would the rate of climb be for a 1100 airplane with 3500 pounds of lift? FUN! -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] FIAT vs Ferrari vs Schumacher
Yes - I was referring to not being banked as in an oval track. I followed the trans-am series, many years ago. I like road racing, am bored with roundy-round racing. On 7/22/06, Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's the other thing I think is superior about F1. VERY FEW if any of the tracks are flat! Lots of elevation changes, blind corners and off camber stuff to deal with. Not some goofy oval that evryone drives around and around and the last one to get dizzy wins. Jeff Zedic Toronto -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] FIAT vs Ferrari vs Schumacher
OK Don wrote: Hmmm - sounds like they have the lifting body perfected, just up-side-down! What would the rate of climb be for a 1100 airplane with 3500 pounds of lift? FUN! That would be called a loop. Normal climbing involves more power input than is necessary to maintain altitude. Excess power translates pretty directly into gains in gravitational potential from altitude increase.
Re: [MBZ] FIAT vs Ferrari vs Schumacher
I think it would be more a near vertical climb. Vertical acceleration of 69.8 ft./sec. The initial climb rate of an F16 is 1033 ft./sec. A Learjet is around 73 ft./sec. On 7/22/06, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK Don wrote: Hmmm - sounds like they have the lifting body perfected, just up-side-down! What would the rate of climb be for a 1100 airplane with 3500 pounds of lift? FUN! That would be called a loop. Normal climbing involves more power input than is necessary to maintain altitude. Excess power translates pretty directly into gains in gravitational potential from altitude increase. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
[MBZ] FIAT vs Ferrari vs Schumacher
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