Re: [MBZ] Hedge wood was RE: OT Latest track

2016-10-11 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes 
I've cut up old hedge posts with a chain saw.  Sharp chain = no 
problem.  Dull chain gets duller FAST!  Same thing when cutting up dry 
Merkun Elm after the Dutch Elm disease plague.  I saw lotsa sparks from 
the saw chain.


Honey Locust is an intermediate hardness.  Nice to work, and much like 
oak when green.  Close to being like aluminum to machine when dry.  
Retains a yellow color when dry.  Nasty tree to have growing on your 
land.  I kill them anytime I get a chance.   Some I've seen had thorns 
easily big enough to kill you.



Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
October 11, 2016 at 2:56 PM
That's good info, everything I have read says it is killer on tools.

Waiting for Don to send some to try it!

--R




fmiser via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
October 11, 2016 at 2:21 AM

Not true, at least not from my experience.

It's hard. It's dense. But I cut it with my standard chain saw
chain. I've cut it green and cut it dry (> two years sitting
out). It's certainly harder to whittle than maple, red oak, white
oak, or hickory.

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Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
October 10, 2016 at 6:53 PM
Problem with all the chainsaw "advise" is that that osage orange wood 
is hard as hell when green and when it dries it basically cannot be 
cut with much of anything, even carbide blades.  That's why it makes 
great wood planes and things like that, if you get it when it is 
workable.


I can't remember if it is like teak with lots of mineral content or if 
it just hard and dense.


--FT




G Mann via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
October 10, 2016 at 5:14 PM
Keep the chain sharp, and keep it well lubricated. A dull chain heats up
fast, a poorly lubricated chain heats up fast.

Hot chain stretches, runs loose in the blade guides, which makes the chain
wobble so it doesn't bite into the wood at the correct angle, which dulls
the blade more quickly descending spiral of success.

Sharp teeth, properly tension ed on the blade and properly lubed [if your
saw has an "automatic chain lube feature" it's seldom getting enough lube
for wood as hard as Osage Orange.] I much prefer the manual chain lube
equipped saws.

Best advise I can give you on when to sharpen your saw is to look at the
chips coming out of the cut. When your saw is razor sharp and freshly
sharpened, look at those chips.. use them as the "benchmark" look, as the
teeth dull, the saw will work harder to do less work and the chips will
tell you "time to stop and sharpen the teeth..

Osage Orange is one of the hardest woods to machine.. it's grain is close
and tight. Good luck.



On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 2:54 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
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Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
October 10, 2016 at 4:54 PM
If you don't have one, get a file to sharpen that chain.  Must be the right
diameter and you need to know the angle (you can get cheap, easy guides that
attach to the file).  It only takes a few minutes to sharpen a chain and a
sharpened chain will cut like new.  I learned this the hard way after
several FL panhandle hurricanes.  If you watch a real tree pro, they will
have the helper sharpen the chains every hour or so.


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From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
Donald Snook via Mercedes
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 5:16 PM
To: Floyd Thursby<buggeredbenzm...@gmail.com>;
mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: Donald Snook<d...@snooklawllc.com>
Subject: [MBZ] Hedge wood was RE: OT Latest track

I don't have any yet.  I just about ruined the chain on my chain saw

cutting off

some of the larger limbs.   This wood is HARD and dense.  I am trying to

cut

off as much as I can to thin them out and maybe I'll be able to get them

cut

down later.  My 5 year old son's favorite activity now is having a fire.

I have a

fire pit and for the last few weeks we have a fire every weekend burning

all

the small sticks and limbs that I have collected over the last few years.

I had

several logs from a hedge tree I cut down 4-5 years ago next to my shed.
Along with the hedge logs, I had some logs from a sweet gum tree and a
maple.  The hedge logs were solid and dense whereas the gum and maple
logs were soft and half disintegrated.

Don Snook

-Original Message-
From: Floyd Thursby [mailto:buggeredbenzm...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 10:49 AM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject

Re: [MBZ] Hedge wood was RE: OT Latest track

2016-10-11 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 

That's good info, everything I have read says it is killer on tools.

Waiting for Don to send some to try it!

--R


On 10/11/16 3:21 AM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote:

Floyd wrote:

Problem with all the chainsaw "advise" is that that osage orange
wood is hard as hell when green and when it dries it basically
cannot be cut with much of anything, even carbide blades.  That's
why it makes great wood planes and things like that, if you get
it when it is workable.

Not true, at least not from my experience.

It's hard.  It's dense.  But I cut it with my standard chain saw
chain.  I've cut it green and cut it dry (> two years sitting
out).  It's certainly harder to whittle than maple, red oak, white
oak, or hickory.

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Re: [MBZ] Hedge wood was RE: OT Latest track

2016-10-11 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
Our Lowcountry palmetto bugs probably would eat those things for 
breakfast, lunch, and supper then come back for more the next day.


--FT


On 10/11/16 2:26 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

A test conducted at Iowa State University determined that
volatile oils contained in Osage orange fruits do stop German cockroaches
and the maize weevil from crossing areas coated with those oils.


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Re: [MBZ] Hedge wood was RE: OT Latest track

2016-10-11 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
Great discussion!  Here's what I learned about the fruits:
http://www.gardenguides.com/109522-uses-osage-orange-fruits.html

"But while the use of the osage orange trees in a hedgerow or as a superb
crafting wood is well known, fewer people realize that their large, bumpy
fruits--also known as a hedge apples or horse apples--contain their own
useful properties.
Pest Repellent

More anecdotal testimony than scientific data exists on the legendary
effectiveness of the "hedge apple" to deter pests of all kinds from the home.
Those anecdotes, however, cover a wide range of pests, from cockroaches to
mice to wolf spiders. A traditional way of employing the Osage orange
involves putting the fruits around the exterior foundation and in
basements. A test conducted at Iowa State University determined that
volatile oils contained in Osage orange fruits do stop German cockroaches
and the maize weevil from crossing areas coated with those oils. Later
studies at the same university concluded that the volatile oils contained
the isoflavones osajin and pomiferin. Whether the fruits themselves are as
effective as the oils produced from pressing them has yet to be determined.



Pottery Glaze

Ceramic artists burn the Osage orange fruit to collect the ash. Potters
place a hedge apple directly in an unfired bowl or on a flat pottery piece
before it goes into the kiln to achieve a "halo" effect of red and orange
circles. Hedgeapples.com suggests setting the kiln to "cone 10" for best
results.
Crafts

Osage oranges add intrigue to dried floral arrangements and wreaths. Dry
them whole, halved or in slices for 30 minutes to several hours in a low
oven or dehydrator. Once all moisture has been removed from the Osage
oranges and they've cooled, run a florist's wire through the fruits and
attach them to a wreath. Fasten them to a sturdy branch in a vertical
arrangement, or add a ribbon to hang them from a holiday tree. Or place
whole, dried fruits in a holiday bowl in groups or interspersed with fruit
pomanders. Hedgeapples.com suggests making unique decorative bowls by
cutting the fruits in half, molding them around a ball of aluminum foil and
drying them in the oven for several days with the pilot light on.
Animal Feed

A 2007 study conducted by Lipid Corps. to determine the nutritional value
of Osage orange seeds found that the seeds contain significant amounts of
protein and carbohydrates as well as potassium, calcium and magnesium.
While the study was undertaken to determine Osage orange seeds' commercial
viability, potentially home harvesters can use the fruits to feed their own
farm animals or pets. A veterinarian should be consulted before adding the
seeds to any animal's diet.
Promising Medicine

The two isoflavones believed to act as effective pest repellants--osajin
and pomiferin--may also be promising antioxidants. A 2003 study conducted
by the Food Research Program at Agriculture and Agri-Food Canada found
these two antioxidants were comparable in effectiveness to vitamins C and
E, also antioxidants, in helping protect the body from environmental
stresses that make the body vulnerable to cancer. The isoflavens need to be
extracted and isolated from the non-edible Osage orange, making it a
potential medicinal supplement but currently impractical as a
home-harvested remedy. Still, in the long list of uses of the versatile
Osage orange, its slowly unfolding medical potential may prove the most
"useful" of all."

On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 2:00 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Bow staves need to be laser straight grained if you want to make a good
> longbow.
>
>
> I would think gun stocks should have some 'figure' in the grain, unless
> you're
> using Osage to handle stout recoil, like an African safari rifle or
> "elephant
> gun".
>
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Hedge wood was RE: OT Latest track

2016-10-11 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes 
Father made bows for me when I was a child/teenager during WW-2 and before, but 
I don't remember them being made of osage orange. Hickory? 
I was frequently warned about eating "hedge apples", so osage orange must have 
been present. 

~~
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> Bow staves need to be laser straight grained if you want to make a good 
> longbow.
> 
> 
> I would think gun stocks should have some 'figure' in the grain, unless you're
> using Osage to handle stout recoil, like an African safari rifle or "elephant
> gun".
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Hedge wood was RE: OT Latest track

2016-10-11 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
Bow staves need to be laser straight grained if you want to make a good longbow.


I would think gun stocks should have some 'figure' in the grain, unless you're
using Osage to handle stout recoil, like an African safari rifle or "elephant
gun".

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Hedge wood was RE: OT Latest track

2016-10-11 Thread G Mann via Mercedes 
Some years ago I chucked a piece of seasoned Osage Orange wood in a metal
lathe and machined both a nut and bolt 1 inch diameter X 10 inch long, with
threads, just to see if it could be done and make a "desk display piece".

The wood had such a tight grain that it machined nicely, both external
threads on the bolt and internal threads on the nut. I gave it to my Dad
and customers would always pick it up and run the nut up and down the bolt.
Over the 20 years it was on his desk, I would guess at least 2,000
customers did that.. It's now gone somewhere, I surmise it's still working,
for who ever has it.

On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 9:54 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The last time I cut down some of this hedge, I was able to sharpen the
> blade.  But, I was using a much better and larger chain saw.  I don't know
> about its mineral content, but it is a bright yellow inside when alive and
> it mellows to a chocolate brown when it ages/seasons.  It is SUPER dense
> and heavy.
>
> Don Snook
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Floyd Thursby [mailto:buggeredbenzm...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 6:53 PM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hedge wood was RE: OT Latest track
>
> Problem with all the chainsaw "advise" is that that osage orange wood is
> hard as hell when green and when it dries it basically cannot be cut with
> much of anything, even carbide blades.  That's why it makes great wood
> planes and things like that, if you get it when it is workable.
>
> I can't remember if it is like teak with lots of mineral content or if it
> just hard and dense.
>
> --FT
>
>
> On 10/10/16 6:14 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
> > Keep the chain sharp, and keep it well lubricated. A dull chain heats
> > up fast, a poorly lubricated chain heats up fast.
> >
> > Hot chain stretches, runs loose in the blade guides, which makes the
> > chain wobble so it doesn't bite into the wood at the correct angle,
> > which dulls the blade more quickly descending spiral of success.
> >
> > Sharp teeth, properly tension ed on the blade and properly lubed [if
> > your saw has an "automatic chain lube feature" it's seldom getting
> > enough lube for wood as hard as Osage Orange.]  I much prefer the
> > manual chain lube equipped saws.
> >
> > Best advise I can give you on when to sharpen your saw is to look at
> > the chips coming out of the cut.  When your saw is razor sharp and
> > freshly sharpened, look at those chips.. use them as the "benchmark"
> > look, as the teeth dull, the saw will work harder to do less work and
> > the chips will tell you "time to stop and sharpen the teeth..
> >
> > Osage Orange is one of the hardest woods to machine.. it's grain is
> > close and tight.  Good luck.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 2:54 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> If you don't have one, get a file to sharpen that chain.  Must be the
> >> right diameter and you need to know the angle (you can get cheap,
> >> easy guides that attach to the file).  It only takes a few minutes to
> >> sharpen a chain and a sharpened chain will cut like new.  I learned
> >> this the hard way after several FL panhandle hurricanes.  If you
> >> watch a real tree pro, they will have the helper sharpen the chains
> >> every hour or so.
> >>
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> >>> Donald Snook via Mercedes
> >>> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 5:16 PM
> >>> To: Floyd Thursby <buggeredbenzm...@gmail.com>;
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com
> >>> Cc: Donald Snook <d...@snooklawllc.com>
> >>> Subject: [MBZ] Hedge wood was RE: OT Latest track
> >>>
> >>> I don't have any yet.  I just about ruined the chain on my chain saw
> >> cutting off
> >>> some of the larger limbs.   This wood is HARD and dense.  I am trying
> to
> >> cut
> >>> off as much as I can to thin them out and maybe I'll be able to get
> >>> them
> >> cut
> >>> down later.  My 5 year old son's favorite activity now is having a
> fire.
> >> I have a
> >>> fire pit and for the last few weeks we have a fire every weekend
> >>> burning
> >> all
> >>> the small sticks and limbs that I have collected over the last few
> years.
> >> I had
> >>> several logs from a hedge tree I cut down 4-5

Re: [MBZ] Hedge wood was RE: OT Latest track

2016-10-11 Thread Donald Snook via Mercedes 
Most of the purpose of Osage Orange is for a barrier.  It grows into a very 
gnarly hedge and it will definitely keep out a lot of things.  I see it a lot 
in Kansas as farmers used hedge years ago on borders.   Once it is cut down, I 
know a lot of people use it for fenceposts.  It is so heavy and lasts so long 
even in the weather that it makes a long lasting fence. 

As far as what people make it into, I learned from Mitch that people make it 
into Bow Staves.  My uncles who is a serious woodworker said he has used it to 
make gun stocks.So much of the hedge you see is twisted and gnarly, so I 
think the desirable stuff is wherever the grain is straight.  

Also around here, many people use it solely for burning for heat.   It burns 
hot and long.  It does however pop and snap a lot, so most of the people I know 
who burn it only do so if they have a stove or insert that can enclose it 
because when it is popping and snapping pieces can really fly.  I know, I 
burned a little in my fireplace! 

Don Snook 

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From: Andrew Strasfogel [mailto:astrasfo...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 9:47 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hedge wood was RE: OT Latest track

What's it used for - flooring?  Furniture?  Toothpicks?

On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 7:53 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < 
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Problem with all the chainsaw "advise" is that that osage orange wood 
> is hard as hell when green and when it dries it basically cannot be 
> cut with much of anything, even carbide blades.  That's why it makes 
> great wood planes and things like that, if you get it when it is workable.
>
> I can't remember if it is like teak with lots of mineral content or if 
> it just hard and dense.
>
> --FT
>
>
>
> On 10/10/16 6:14 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Keep the chain sharp, and keep it well lubricated. A dull chain heats 
>> up fast, a poorly lubricated chain heats up fast.
>>
>> Hot chain stretches, runs loose in the blade guides, which makes the 
>> chain wobble so it doesn't bite into the wood at the correct angle, 
>> which dulls the blade more quickly descending spiral of success.
>>
>> Sharp teeth, properly tension ed on the blade and properly lubed [if 
>> your saw has an "automatic chain lube feature" it's seldom getting 
>> enough lube for wood as hard as Osage Orange.]  I much prefer the 
>> manual chain lube equipped saws.
>>
>> Best advise I can give you on when to sharpen your saw is to look at 
>> the chips coming out of the cut.  When your saw is razor sharp and 
>> freshly sharpened, look at those chips.. use them as the "benchmark" 
>> look, as the teeth dull, the saw will work harder to do less work and 
>> the chips will tell you "time to stop and sharpen the teeth..
>>
>> Osage Orange is one of the hardest woods to machine.. it's grain is 
>> close and tight.  Good luck.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 2:54 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes < 
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> If you don't have one, get a file to sharpen that chain.  Must be the
>>> right
>>> diameter and you need to know the angle (you can get cheap, easy 
>>> guides that attach to the file).  It only takes a few minutes to 
>>> sharpen a chain and a sharpened chain will cut like new.  I learned 
>>> this the hard way after several FL panhandle hurricanes.  If you 
>>> watch a real tree pro, they will have the helper sharpen the chains 
>>> every hour or so.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-
>>>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of 
>>>> Donald Snook via Mercedes
>>>> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 5:16 PM
>>>> To: Floyd Thursby <buggeredbenzm...@gmail.com>; 
>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>>> Cc: Donald Snook <d...@snooklawllc.com>
>>>> Subject: [MBZ] Hedge wood was RE: OT Latest track
>>>>
>>>> I don't have any yet.  I just about ruined the chain on my chain 
>>>> saw
>>>>
>>> cutting off
>>>
>>>> some of the larger limbs.   This wood is HARD and dense.  I am trying to
>>>>
>>> cut
>>>
>>>> off as much as I can to thin them out and maybe I'll be able to get 
>>>> them
>>>>
>>> cut
>>>
>>>> down later.  My 5 year old son's favorite activity now is having a fire.
>>>>
>>> I have a
>>>
>>>> fire pit and for the last few weeks we have a fire every w

Re: [MBZ] Hedge wood was RE: OT Latest track

2016-10-11 Thread Donald Snook via Mercedes 
The last time I cut down some of this hedge, I was able to sharpen the blade.  
But, I was using a much better and larger chain saw.  I don't know about its 
mineral content, but it is a bright yellow inside when alive and it mellows to 
a chocolate brown when it ages/seasons.  It is SUPER dense and heavy.  

Don Snook 

-Original Message-
From: Floyd Thursby [mailto:buggeredbenzm...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 6:53 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hedge wood was RE: OT Latest track

Problem with all the chainsaw "advise" is that that osage orange wood is hard 
as hell when green and when it dries it basically cannot be cut with much of 
anything, even carbide blades.  That's why it makes great wood planes and 
things like that, if you get it when it is workable.

I can't remember if it is like teak with lots of mineral content or if it just 
hard and dense.

--FT


On 10/10/16 6:14 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
> Keep the chain sharp, and keep it well lubricated. A dull chain heats 
> up fast, a poorly lubricated chain heats up fast.
>
> Hot chain stretches, runs loose in the blade guides, which makes the 
> chain wobble so it doesn't bite into the wood at the correct angle, 
> which dulls the blade more quickly descending spiral of success.
>
> Sharp teeth, properly tension ed on the blade and properly lubed [if 
> your saw has an "automatic chain lube feature" it's seldom getting 
> enough lube for wood as hard as Osage Orange.]  I much prefer the 
> manual chain lube equipped saws.
>
> Best advise I can give you on when to sharpen your saw is to look at 
> the chips coming out of the cut.  When your saw is razor sharp and 
> freshly sharpened, look at those chips.. use them as the "benchmark" 
> look, as the teeth dull, the saw will work harder to do less work and 
> the chips will tell you "time to stop and sharpen the teeth..
>
> Osage Orange is one of the hardest woods to machine.. it's grain is 
> close and tight.  Good luck.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 2:54 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes < 
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> If you don't have one, get a file to sharpen that chain.  Must be the 
>> right diameter and you need to know the angle (you can get cheap, 
>> easy guides that attach to the file).  It only takes a few minutes to 
>> sharpen a chain and a sharpened chain will cut like new.  I learned 
>> this the hard way after several FL panhandle hurricanes.  If you 
>> watch a real tree pro, they will have the helper sharpen the chains 
>> every hour or so.
>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of 
>>> Donald Snook via Mercedes
>>> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 5:16 PM
>>> To: Floyd Thursby <buggeredbenzm...@gmail.com>; 
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>> Cc: Donald Snook <d...@snooklawllc.com>
>>> Subject: [MBZ] Hedge wood was RE: OT Latest track
>>>
>>> I don't have any yet.  I just about ruined the chain on my chain saw
>> cutting off
>>> some of the larger limbs.   This wood is HARD and dense.  I am trying to
>> cut
>>> off as much as I can to thin them out and maybe I'll be able to get 
>>> them
>> cut
>>> down later.  My 5 year old son's favorite activity now is having a fire.
>> I have a
>>> fire pit and for the last few weeks we have a fire every weekend 
>>> burning
>> all
>>> the small sticks and limbs that I have collected over the last few years.
>> I had
>>> several logs from a hedge tree I cut down 4-5 years ago next to my shed.
>>> Along with the hedge logs, I had some logs from a sweet gum tree and 
>>> a maple.  The hedge logs were solid and dense whereas the gum and 
>>> maple logs were soft and half disintegrated.
>>>
>>> Don Snook
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Floyd Thursby [mailto:buggeredbenzm...@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 10:49 AM
>>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Latest track
>>>
>>> Speaking of osage orange wood, how'd those chunks work out?
>>>
>>> --FT
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/10/16 11:23 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes wrote:
>>>> If we could have a big storm that would knock down a couple of 
>>>> hedge
>>> (Osage Orange) trees I would be pretty happy about that!
>>>
>>> --
>>> --FT
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ___
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Re: [MBZ] Hedge wood was RE: OT Latest track

2016-10-11 Thread fmiser via Mercedes 
> Floyd wrote:
> 
> Problem with all the chainsaw "advise" is that that osage orange
> wood is hard as hell when green and when it dries it basically
> cannot be cut with much of anything, even carbide blades.  That's
> why it makes great wood planes and things like that, if you get
> it when it is workable.

Not true, at least not from my experience.

It's hard.  It's dense.  But I cut it with my standard chain saw
chain.  I've cut it green and cut it dry (> two years sitting
out).  It's certainly harder to whittle than maple, red oak, white
oak, or hickory.

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Re: [MBZ] Hedge wood was RE: OT Latest track

2016-10-10 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
What's it used for - flooring?  Furniture?  Toothpicks?

On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 7:53 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Problem with all the chainsaw "advise" is that that osage orange wood is
> hard as hell when green and when it dries it basically cannot be cut with
> much of anything, even carbide blades.  That's why it makes great wood
> planes and things like that, if you get it when it is workable.
>
> I can't remember if it is like teak with lots of mineral content or if it
> just hard and dense.
>
> --FT
>
>
>
> On 10/10/16 6:14 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Keep the chain sharp, and keep it well lubricated. A dull chain heats up
>> fast, a poorly lubricated chain heats up fast.
>>
>> Hot chain stretches, runs loose in the blade guides, which makes the chain
>> wobble so it doesn't bite into the wood at the correct angle, which dulls
>> the blade more quickly descending spiral of success.
>>
>> Sharp teeth, properly tension ed on the blade and properly lubed [if your
>> saw has an "automatic chain lube feature" it's seldom getting enough lube
>> for wood as hard as Osage Orange.]  I much prefer the manual chain lube
>> equipped saws.
>>
>> Best advise I can give you on when to sharpen your saw is to look at the
>> chips coming out of the cut.  When your saw is razor sharp and freshly
>> sharpened, look at those chips.. use them as the "benchmark" look, as the
>> teeth dull, the saw will work harder to do less work and the chips will
>> tell you "time to stop and sharpen the teeth..
>>
>> Osage Orange is one of the hardest woods to machine.. it's grain is close
>> and tight.  Good luck.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 2:54 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> If you don't have one, get a file to sharpen that chain.  Must be the
>>> right
>>> diameter and you need to know the angle (you can get cheap, easy guides
>>> that
>>> attach to the file).  It only takes a few minutes to sharpen a chain and
>>> a
>>> sharpened chain will cut like new.  I learned this the hard way after
>>> several FL panhandle hurricanes.  If you watch a real tree pro, they will
>>> have the helper sharpen the chains every hour or so.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
>>>> Donald Snook via Mercedes
>>>> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 5:16 PM
>>>> To: Floyd Thursby <buggeredbenzm...@gmail.com>;
>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>>> Cc: Donald Snook <d...@snooklawllc.com>
>>>> Subject: [MBZ] Hedge wood was RE: OT Latest track
>>>>
>>>> I don't have any yet.  I just about ruined the chain on my chain saw
>>>>
>>> cutting off
>>>
>>>> some of the larger limbs.   This wood is HARD and dense.  I am trying to
>>>>
>>> cut
>>>
>>>> off as much as I can to thin them out and maybe I'll be able to get them
>>>>
>>> cut
>>>
>>>> down later.  My 5 year old son's favorite activity now is having a fire.
>>>>
>>> I have a
>>>
>>>> fire pit and for the last few weeks we have a fire every weekend burning
>>>>
>>> all
>>>
>>>> the small sticks and limbs that I have collected over the last few
>>>> years.
>>>>
>>> I had
>>>
>>>> several logs from a hedge tree I cut down 4-5 years ago next to my shed.
>>>> Along with the hedge logs, I had some logs from a sweet gum tree and a
>>>> maple.  The hedge logs were solid and dense whereas the gum and maple
>>>> logs were soft and half disintegrated.
>>>>
>>>> Don Snook
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Floyd Thursby [mailto:buggeredbenzm...@gmail.com]
>>>> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 10:49 AM
>>>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Latest track
>>>>
>>>> Speaking of osage orange wood, how'd those chunks work out?
>>>>
>>>> --FT
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 10/10/16 11:23 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If we could have a big storm that would knock down a couple of hedge
>>>>>
>>>> (Osage Orange) trees I would be pretty happy about that!
&

Re: [MBZ] Hedge wood was RE: OT Latest track

2016-10-10 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
Problem with all the chainsaw "advise" is that that osage orange wood is 
hard as hell when green and when it dries it basically cannot be cut 
with much of anything, even carbide blades.  That's why it makes great 
wood planes and things like that, if you get it when it is workable.


I can't remember if it is like teak with lots of mineral content or if 
it just hard and dense.


--FT


On 10/10/16 6:14 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

Keep the chain sharp, and keep it well lubricated. A dull chain heats up
fast, a poorly lubricated chain heats up fast.

Hot chain stretches, runs loose in the blade guides, which makes the chain
wobble so it doesn't bite into the wood at the correct angle, which dulls
the blade more quickly descending spiral of success.

Sharp teeth, properly tension ed on the blade and properly lubed [if your
saw has an "automatic chain lube feature" it's seldom getting enough lube
for wood as hard as Osage Orange.]  I much prefer the manual chain lube
equipped saws.

Best advise I can give you on when to sharpen your saw is to look at the
chips coming out of the cut.  When your saw is razor sharp and freshly
sharpened, look at those chips.. use them as the "benchmark" look, as the
teeth dull, the saw will work harder to do less work and the chips will
tell you "time to stop and sharpen the teeth..

Osage Orange is one of the hardest woods to machine.. it's grain is close
and tight.  Good luck.



On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 2:54 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


If you don't have one, get a file to sharpen that chain.  Must be the right
diameter and you need to know the angle (you can get cheap, easy guides
that
attach to the file).  It only takes a few minutes to sharpen a chain and a
sharpened chain will cut like new.  I learned this the hard way after
several FL panhandle hurricanes.  If you watch a real tree pro, they will
have the helper sharpen the chains every hour or so.


-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
Donald Snook via Mercedes
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 5:16 PM
To: Floyd Thursby <buggeredbenzm...@gmail.com>;
mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: Donald Snook <d...@snooklawllc.com>
Subject: [MBZ] Hedge wood was RE: OT Latest track

I don't have any yet.  I just about ruined the chain on my chain saw

cutting off

some of the larger limbs.   This wood is HARD and dense.  I am trying to

cut

off as much as I can to thin them out and maybe I'll be able to get them

cut

down later.  My 5 year old son's favorite activity now is having a fire.

I have a

fire pit and for the last few weeks we have a fire every weekend burning

all

the small sticks and limbs that I have collected over the last few years.

I had

several logs from a hedge tree I cut down 4-5 years ago next to my shed.
Along with the hedge logs, I had some logs from a sweet gum tree and a
maple.  The hedge logs were solid and dense whereas the gum and maple
logs were soft and half disintegrated.

Don Snook

-Original Message-
From: Floyd Thursby [mailto:buggeredbenzm...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 10:49 AM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Latest track

Speaking of osage orange wood, how'd those chunks work out?

--FT


On 10/10/16 11:23 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes wrote:

If we could have a big storm that would knock down a couple of hedge

(Osage Orange) trees I would be pretty happy about that!

--
--FT




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Re: [MBZ] Hedge wood was RE: OT Latest track

2016-10-10 Thread G Mann via Mercedes 
Keep the chain sharp, and keep it well lubricated. A dull chain heats up
fast, a poorly lubricated chain heats up fast.

Hot chain stretches, runs loose in the blade guides, which makes the chain
wobble so it doesn't bite into the wood at the correct angle, which dulls
the blade more quickly descending spiral of success.

Sharp teeth, properly tension ed on the blade and properly lubed [if your
saw has an "automatic chain lube feature" it's seldom getting enough lube
for wood as hard as Osage Orange.]  I much prefer the manual chain lube
equipped saws.

Best advise I can give you on when to sharpen your saw is to look at the
chips coming out of the cut.  When your saw is razor sharp and freshly
sharpened, look at those chips.. use them as the "benchmark" look, as the
teeth dull, the saw will work harder to do less work and the chips will
tell you "time to stop and sharpen the teeth..

Osage Orange is one of the hardest woods to machine.. it's grain is close
and tight.  Good luck.



On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 2:54 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> If you don't have one, get a file to sharpen that chain.  Must be the right
> diameter and you need to know the angle (you can get cheap, easy guides
> that
> attach to the file).  It only takes a few minutes to sharpen a chain and a
> sharpened chain will cut like new.  I learned this the hard way after
> several FL panhandle hurricanes.  If you watch a real tree pro, they will
> have the helper sharpen the chains every hour or so.
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> > Donald Snook via Mercedes
> > Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 5:16 PM
> > To: Floyd Thursby <buggeredbenzm...@gmail.com>;
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > Cc: Donald Snook <d...@snooklawllc.com>
> > Subject: [MBZ] Hedge wood was RE: OT Latest track
> >
> > I don't have any yet.  I just about ruined the chain on my chain saw
> cutting off
> > some of the larger limbs.   This wood is HARD and dense.  I am trying to
> cut
> > off as much as I can to thin them out and maybe I'll be able to get them
> cut
> > down later.  My 5 year old son's favorite activity now is having a fire.
> I have a
> > fire pit and for the last few weeks we have a fire every weekend burning
> all
> > the small sticks and limbs that I have collected over the last few years.
> I had
> > several logs from a hedge tree I cut down 4-5 years ago next to my shed.
> > Along with the hedge logs, I had some logs from a sweet gum tree and a
> > maple.  The hedge logs were solid and dense whereas the gum and maple
> > logs were soft and half disintegrated.
> >
> > Don Snook
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Floyd Thursby [mailto:buggeredbenzm...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 10:49 AM
> > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Latest track
> >
> > Speaking of osage orange wood, how'd those chunks work out?
> >
> > --FT
> >
> >
> > On 10/10/16 11:23 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes wrote:
> > > If we could have a big storm that would knock down a couple of hedge
> > (Osage Orange) trees I would be pretty happy about that!
> >
> > --
> > --FT
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Hedge wood was RE: OT Latest track

2016-10-10 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
If you don't have one, get a file to sharpen that chain.  Must be the right
diameter and you need to know the angle (you can get cheap, easy guides that
attach to the file).  It only takes a few minutes to sharpen a chain and a
sharpened chain will cut like new.  I learned this the hard way after
several FL panhandle hurricanes.  If you watch a real tree pro, they will
have the helper sharpen the chains every hour or so.

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Donald Snook via Mercedes
> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 5:16 PM
> To: Floyd Thursby <buggeredbenzm...@gmail.com>;
> mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: Donald Snook <d...@snooklawllc.com>
> Subject: [MBZ] Hedge wood was RE: OT Latest track
> 
> I don't have any yet.  I just about ruined the chain on my chain saw
cutting off
> some of the larger limbs.   This wood is HARD and dense.  I am trying to
cut
> off as much as I can to thin them out and maybe I'll be able to get them
cut
> down later.  My 5 year old son's favorite activity now is having a fire.
I have a
> fire pit and for the last few weeks we have a fire every weekend burning
all
> the small sticks and limbs that I have collected over the last few years.
I had
> several logs from a hedge tree I cut down 4-5 years ago next to my shed.
> Along with the hedge logs, I had some logs from a sweet gum tree and a
> maple.  The hedge logs were solid and dense whereas the gum and maple
> logs were soft and half disintegrated.
> 
> Don Snook
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Floyd Thursby [mailto:buggeredbenzm...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 10:49 AM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Latest track
> 
> Speaking of osage orange wood, how'd those chunks work out?
> 
> --FT
> 
> 
> On 10/10/16 11:23 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes wrote:
> > If we could have a big storm that would knock down a couple of hedge
> (Osage Orange) trees I would be pretty happy about that!
> 
> --
> --FT
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[MBZ] Hedge wood was RE: OT Latest track

2016-10-10 Thread Donald Snook via Mercedes 
I don't have any yet.  I just about ruined the chain on my chain saw cutting 
off some of the larger limbs.   This wood is HARD and dense.  I am trying to 
cut off as much as I can to thin them out and maybe I'll be able to get them 
cut down later.  My 5 year old son's favorite activity now is having a fire.  I 
have a fire pit and for the last few weeks we have a fire every weekend burning 
all the small sticks and limbs that I have collected over the last few years.  
I had several logs from a hedge tree I cut down 4-5 years ago next to my shed.  
Along with the hedge logs, I had some logs from a sweet gum tree and a maple.  
The hedge logs were solid and dense whereas the gum and maple logs were soft 
and half disintegrated. 

Don Snook 

-Original Message-
From: Floyd Thursby [mailto:buggeredbenzm...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 10:49 AM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Latest track

Speaking of osage orange wood, how'd those chunks work out?

--FT


On 10/10/16 11:23 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes wrote:
> If we could have a big storm that would knock down a couple of hedge (Osage 
> Orange) trees I would be pretty happy about that!

-- 
--FT




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