Re: [MBZ] Hot under the collar
Those vicious fans need to be incarcerated to ensure our safety. On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 9:57 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > clay via Mercedes wrote: > >> The issue is sort of resolved now. The vicious fan had died, and paired >> with the screw up job the shop did trying to remove a backfire, the thing >> now runs way to rich and is all out of whack. I real D-jet mechanic will >> have to "De-tune" the tune up and fiddling to get it back to proper, but I >> can not make that payment today. >> >> Same shop was supposed to have done a full synth oil change, but after >> 500 miles, the stuff looked like nine year old diesel oil. The job was not >> done. >> > > Or the car polluted the oil like a carbureted car with the choke stuck on. > > Mitch. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner > has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Hot under the collar
clay via Mercedes wrote: The issue is sort of resolved now. The vicious fan had died, and paired with the screw up job the shop did trying to remove a backfire, the thing now runs way to rich and is all out of whack. I real D-jet mechanic will have to "De-tune" the tune up and fiddling to get it back to proper, but I can not make that payment today. Same shop was supposed to have done a full synth oil change, but after 500 miles, the stuff looked like nine year old diesel oil. The job was not done. Or the car polluted the oil like a carbureted car with the choke stuck on. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Hot under the collar
It was a club event that introduced the troublesome shop. They were having a great savings deal if you scheduled a procedure. I went with the oil change. And for them to look into the back firing issue. They found many issues I knew of, as well as some that had been addressed, and they wanted to address as well. The crap wires I got from Q got replaces, and contact point that were not old, as well as a host of other "already dealt with" parts. The price got out of hand, so I called it quits and took the car back. IT ran much worse leaving than it did on delivery. I provided prior work orders to show what had been done. It was ignored. The shop monkey was not versed on older cars, and just went swinging wrenches. D-jets will rack up fees if you toss parts, or adjust the crap out of them with no clue. He did all that and more. The vacuum system has leaks. I am going to need to tackle that. IT may solve the door lock issue and the fuel delivery troubles. clay On Jul 16, 2014, at 3:35 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: > So clearly the money for fixing everything will come when your solicitor > calls shop A right? > > -Curt > > > > From: clay via Mercedes > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 6:27 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hot under the collar > > > The issue is sort of resolved now. The vicious fan had died, and paired with > the screw up job the shop did trying to remove a backfire, the thing now runs > way to rich and is all out of whack. I real D-jet mechanic will have to > "De-tune" the tune up and fiddling to get it back to proper, but I can not > make that payment today. > > Same shop was supposed to have done a full synth oil change, but after 500 > miles, the stuff looked like nine year old diesel oil. The job was not done. > > clay > > On Jul 11, 2014, at 1:25 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: > >> On 11/07/2014 2:38 PM, clay wrote: >>> Froggy is having inconsistent cooling issues. >>> >>> I was taking her for an italian tune up this past weekend. I meant to >>> climb the foothills of the Cascades about 32 miles out of town (seattle) >>> doing 70mph. I made it only 22 miles before I had to pull off because the >>> temp was climbing up to the red zone. Got to a service station and >>> drizzled a gallon of water over the block and rad to get temp down. I >>> decided to head back home and give it a better look. >>> >>> No visible leakage. The system was holding pressure fine. I checked the >>> oil for water, but only found it to be black and nasty. This within 500 >>> miles of a change. I am suspecting the shop did not really change the oil. >>> So, I gave it all new oil. >>> >>> Thermostat was changed, along with new hoses and water pump last summer. >>> The AC does not function, so that should have no impact on temps. I have >>> replaced the hood pad, and there are no cats living in the engine bay to >>> add to the heat soaking. >>> >>> Transmission filter and fluids were change two years ago, about 2k miles. >>> >>> Anybody have insight? >>> >>> >>> clay >>> >>> >> This is the car that has had all sorts of issues is it not? >> Timing and fuel mixture can be an issue with overheating if I am not >> mistaken. >> Too soon, too late, or bad advance mechanism, too rich, or too lean. All of >> the above, some of the above etc. It all needs to work together. >> Was the oil thin? Did it smell of fuel? Was there too much of it? >> >> Apart from that, if the engine seemed to be running fine, then is the rad >> plugged? Does the fan work? Is there anything missing on the vehicle that >> should be there, like a fan shroud or an air dam under the bumper etc? >> Is the coolant mixture ok? Too much or too little coolant with the water can >> make for problems. >> Some cars (not necessarily MBs) were built with marginal cooling to begin >> with. Big motor, tight engine compartment, smog controls etc so old age does >> not help them cope when they were not all that good when they were new. >> >> Randy >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those >> individuals are res
Re: [MBZ] Hot under the collar
So clearly the money for fixing everything will come when your solicitor calls shop A right? -Curt From: clay via Mercedes To: Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 6:27 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hot under the collar The issue is sort of resolved now. The vicious fan had died, and paired with the screw up job the shop did trying to remove a backfire, the thing now runs way to rich and is all out of whack. I real D-jet mechanic will have to "De-tune" the tune up and fiddling to get it back to proper, but I can not make that payment today. Same shop was supposed to have done a full synth oil change, but after 500 miles, the stuff looked like nine year old diesel oil. The job was not done. clay On Jul 11, 2014, at 1:25 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: > On 11/07/2014 2:38 PM, clay wrote: >> Froggy is having inconsistent cooling issues. >> >> I was taking her for an italian tune up this past weekend. I meant to climb >> the foothills of the Cascades about 32 miles out of town (seattle) doing >> 70mph. I made it only 22 miles before I had to pull off because the temp >> was climbing up to the red zone. Got to a service station and drizzled a >> gallon of water over the block and rad to get temp down. I decided to head >> back home and give it a better look. >> >> No visible leakage. The system was holding pressure fine. I checked the >> oil for water, but only found it to be black and nasty. This within 500 >> miles of a change. I am suspecting the shop did not really change the oil. >> So, I gave it all new oil. >> >> Thermostat was changed, along with new hoses and water pump last summer. >> The AC does not function, so that should have no impact on temps. I have >> replaced the hood pad, and there are no cats living in the engine bay to add >> to the heat soaking. >> >> Transmission filter and fluids were change two years ago, about 2k miles. >> >> Anybody have insight? >> >> >> clay >> >> > This is the car that has had all sorts of issues is it not? > Timing and fuel mixture can be an issue with overheating if I am not mistaken. > Too soon, too late, or bad advance mechanism, too rich, or too lean. All of > the above, some of the above etc. It all needs to work together. > Was the oil thin? Did it smell of fuel? Was there too much of it? > > Apart from that, if the engine seemed to be running fine, then is the rad > plugged? Does the fan work? Is there anything missing on the vehicle that > should be there, like a fan shroud or an air dam under the bumper etc? > Is the coolant mixture ok? Too much or too little coolant with the water can > make for problems. > Some cars (not necessarily MBs) were built with marginal cooling to begin > with. Big motor, tight engine compartment, smog controls etc so old age does > not help them cope when they were not all that good when they were new. > > Randy > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has > no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Hot under the collar
yes. Detergent flush, then citric, finally full tap water flush. Buttoned back up with new hoses and water pump. clay On Jul 11, 2014, at 5:03 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: > I forget, have you given it a citric acid flush? > > -- Jim > > > > On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 12:38 PM, clay wrote: > >> Froggy is having inconsistent cooling issues. >> >> I was taking her for an italian tune up this past weekend. I meant to >> climb the foothills of the Cascades about 32 miles out of town (seattle) >> doing 70mph. I made it only 22 miles before I had to pull off because the >> temp was climbing up to the red zone. Got to a service station and >> drizzled a gallon of water over the block and rad to get temp down. I >> decided to head back home and give it a better look. >> >> No visible leakage. The system was holding pressure fine. I checked the >> oil for water, but only found it to be black and nasty. This within 500 >> miles of a change. I am suspecting the shop did not really change the oil. >> So, I gave it all new oil. >> >> Thermostat was changed, along with new hoses and water pump last summer. >> The AC does not function, so that should have no impact on temps. I have >> replaced the hood pad, and there are no cats living in the engine bay to >> add to the heat soaking. >> >> Transmission filter and fluids were change two years ago, about 2k miles. >> >> Anybody have insight? >> >> >> clay >> >> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap >> 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green >> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran >> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV >> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those >> individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner >> has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has > no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Hot under the collar
The issue is sort of resolved now. The vicious fan had died, and paired with the screw up job the shop did trying to remove a backfire, the thing now runs way to rich and is all out of whack. I real D-jet mechanic will have to "De-tune" the tune up and fiddling to get it back to proper, but I can not make that payment today. Same shop was supposed to have done a full synth oil change, but after 500 miles, the stuff looked like nine year old diesel oil. The job was not done. clay On Jul 11, 2014, at 1:25 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: > On 11/07/2014 2:38 PM, clay wrote: >> Froggy is having inconsistent cooling issues. >> >> I was taking her for an italian tune up this past weekend. I meant to climb >> the foothills of the Cascades about 32 miles out of town (seattle) doing >> 70mph. I made it only 22 miles before I had to pull off because the temp >> was climbing up to the red zone. Got to a service station and drizzled a >> gallon of water over the block and rad to get temp down. I decided to head >> back home and give it a better look. >> >> No visible leakage. The system was holding pressure fine. I checked the >> oil for water, but only found it to be black and nasty. This within 500 >> miles of a change. I am suspecting the shop did not really change the oil. >> So, I gave it all new oil. >> >> Thermostat was changed, along with new hoses and water pump last summer. >> The AC does not function, so that should have no impact on temps. I have >> replaced the hood pad, and there are no cats living in the engine bay to add >> to the heat soaking. >> >> Transmission filter and fluids were change two years ago, about 2k miles. >> >> Anybody have insight? >> >> >> clay >> >> > This is the car that has had all sorts of issues is it not? > Timing and fuel mixture can be an issue with overheating if I am not mistaken. > Too soon, too late, or bad advance mechanism, too rich, or too lean. All of > the above, some of the above etc. It all needs to work together. > Was the oil thin? Did it smell of fuel? Was there too much of it? > > Apart from that, if the engine seemed to be running fine, then is the rad > plugged? Does the fan work? Is there anything missing on the vehicle that > should be there, like a fan shroud or an air dam under the bumper etc? > Is the coolant mixture ok? Too much or too little coolant with the water can > make for problems. > Some cars (not necessarily MBs) were built with marginal cooling to begin > with. Big motor, tight engine compartment, smog controls etc so old age does > not help them cope when they were not all that good when they were new. > > Randy > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has > no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Hot under the collar
In the 2 190Ds I've had neither had a properly working fan clutch (the 190Ds are electric) and as long as the car is moving it doesn't really matter. Its puttering along in heavy traffic that gets ya. -Curt From: clay via Mercedes To: Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hot under the collar Thanks. No aux fan. That was introduced later in the year. Hoses are a year old and holding well. It was the visco clutch that failed. Replaced it Monday. I was a retard and took the car for a 8 hour drive around Mt. Rainier over the weekend. It did fine, though did get hot clay On Jul 11, 2014, at 12:50 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: > Check the function of the visco clutch and make sure the auxilliary fan comes > on at about 100C. With both of those out of action on a steep grade, you > will overheat. > > Also check to make sure the bottom radiator hose has not gone soft. They can > collapse under high speed pump operation, starving the block of coolant. > > Peter > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has > no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Hot under the collar
Thanks. No aux fan. That was introduced later in the year. Hoses are a year old and holding well. It was the visco clutch that failed. Replaced it Monday. I was a retard and took the car for a 8 hour drive around Mt. Rainier over the weekend. It did fine, though did get hot clay On Jul 11, 2014, at 12:50 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: > Check the function of the visco clutch and make sure the auxilliary fan comes > on at about 100C. With both of those out of action on a steep grade, you > will overheat. > > Also check to make sure the bottom radiator hose has not gone soft. They can > collapse under high speed pump operation, starving the block of coolant. > > Peter > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has > no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Hot under the collar
Has the thermostat been tested to confirm it's working properly? It seems that thermostats can fail early. Also if the radiator is old, it could be partially blocked. What are the hose temps coming out of the radiator? I have the opposite problem insofar that the TE won't get past 80 much, should sit at about 82. May well have to pull the thermostat to see if it is operating as it should. Anyway we made it to Queensland and I am sitting here in shorts and T shirt. We saw that Russian sattelite break up while we where in Cobar http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/11/australian-meteorite-most-likely-part-of-russian-satellite was pretty specky. Hendrik who was advised by the NSW highway patrol as to what the speed limit is On Sat, Jul 12, 2014 at 9:33 AM, Jim Cathey wrote: > I forget, have you given it a citric acid flush? > > -- Jim > > > > On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 12:38 PM, clay wrote: > > > Froggy is having inconsistent cooling issues. > > > > I was taking her for an italian tune up this past weekend. I meant to > > climb the foothills of the Cascades about 32 miles out of town (seattle) > > doing 70mph. I made it only 22 miles before I had to pull off because > the > > temp was climbing up to the red zone. Got to a service station and > > drizzled a gallon of water over the block and rad to get temp down. I > > decided to head back home and give it a better look. > > > > No visible leakage. The system was holding pressure fine. I checked the > > oil for water, but only found it to be black and nasty. This within 500 > > miles of a change. I am suspecting the shop did not really change the > oil. > > So, I gave it all new oil. > > > > Thermostat was changed, along with new hoses and water pump last summer. > > The AC does not function, so that should have no impact on temps. I > have > > replaced the hood pad, and there are no cats living in the engine bay to > > add to the heat soaking. > > > > Transmission filter and fluids were change two years ago, about 2k miles. > > > > Anybody have insight? > > > > > > clay > > > > 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap > > 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green > > 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran > > 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV > > POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner > > has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner > has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Hot under the collar
I forget, have you given it a citric acid flush? -- Jim On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 12:38 PM, clay wrote: > Froggy is having inconsistent cooling issues. > > I was taking her for an italian tune up this past weekend. I meant to > climb the foothills of the Cascades about 32 miles out of town (seattle) > doing 70mph. I made it only 22 miles before I had to pull off because the > temp was climbing up to the red zone. Got to a service station and > drizzled a gallon of water over the block and rad to get temp down. I > decided to head back home and give it a better look. > > No visible leakage. The system was holding pressure fine. I checked the > oil for water, but only found it to be black and nasty. This within 500 > miles of a change. I am suspecting the shop did not really change the oil. > So, I gave it all new oil. > > Thermostat was changed, along with new hoses and water pump last summer. > The AC does not function, so that should have no impact on temps. I have > replaced the hood pad, and there are no cats living in the engine bay to > add to the heat soaking. > > Transmission filter and fluids were change two years ago, about 2k miles. > > Anybody have insight? > > > clay > > 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap > 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green > 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran > 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV > POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers > > > > > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner > has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Hot under the collar
On 11/07/2014 2:38 PM, clay wrote: Froggy is having inconsistent cooling issues. I was taking her for an italian tune up this past weekend. I meant to climb the foothills of the Cascades about 32 miles out of town (seattle) doing 70mph. I made it only 22 miles before I had to pull off because the temp was climbing up to the red zone. Got to a service station and drizzled a gallon of water over the block and rad to get temp down. I decided to head back home and give it a better look. No visible leakage. The system was holding pressure fine. I checked the oil for water, but only found it to be black and nasty. This within 500 miles of a change. I am suspecting the shop did not really change the oil. So, I gave it all new oil. Thermostat was changed, along with new hoses and water pump last summer. The AC does not function, so that should have no impact on temps. I have replaced the hood pad, and there are no cats living in the engine bay to add to the heat soaking. Transmission filter and fluids were change two years ago, about 2k miles. Anybody have insight? clay This is the car that has had all sorts of issues is it not? Timing and fuel mixture can be an issue with overheating if I am not mistaken. Too soon, too late, or bad advance mechanism, too rich, or too lean. All of the above, some of the above etc. It all needs to work together. Was the oil thin? Did it smell of fuel? Was there too much of it? Apart from that, if the engine seemed to be running fine, then is the rad plugged? Does the fan work? Is there anything missing on the vehicle that should be there, like a fan shroud or an air dam under the bumper etc? Is the coolant mixture ok? Too much or too little coolant with the water can make for problems. Some cars (not necessarily MBs) were built with marginal cooling to begin with. Big motor, tight engine compartment, smog controls etc so old age does not help them cope when they were not all that good when they were new. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Hot under the collar
De-scale, de-oil the cooling system? If the cooling system is up to snuff (which it appears to be, can you hold the computer closer to the radiator?) then the problem has to be something adding heat where it doesn't belong, timing maybe? Does turning on the heat help? -Curt From: clay To: Mercedes Discussion List ; SL Discussion List Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 3:38 PM Subject: [MBZ] Hot under the collar Froggy is having inconsistent cooling issues. I was taking her for an italian tune up this past weekend. I meant to climb the foothills of the Cascades about 32 miles out of town (seattle) doing 70mph. I made it only 22 miles before I had to pull off because the temp was climbing up to the red zone. Got to a service station and drizzled a gallon of water over the block and rad to get temp down. I decided to head back home and give it a better look. No visible leakage. The system was holding pressure fine. I checked the oil for water, but only found it to be black and nasty. This within 500 miles of a change. I am suspecting the shop did not really change the oil. So, I gave it all new oil. Thermostat was changed, along with new hoses and water pump last summer. The AC does not function, so that should have no impact on temps. I have replaced the hood pad, and there are no cats living in the engine bay to add to the heat soaking. Transmission filter and fluids were change two years ago, about 2k miles. Anybody have insight? clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Hot under the collar
Check the function of the visco clutch and make sure the auxilliary fan comes on at about 100C. With both of those out of action on a steep grade, you will overheat. Also check to make sure the bottom radiator hose has not gone soft. They can collapse under high speed pump operation, starving the block of coolant. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Hot under the collar
Froggy is having inconsistent cooling issues. I was taking her for an italian tune up this past weekend. I meant to climb the foothills of the Cascades about 32 miles out of town (seattle) doing 70mph. I made it only 22 miles before I had to pull off because the temp was climbing up to the red zone. Got to a service station and drizzled a gallon of water over the block and rad to get temp down. I decided to head back home and give it a better look. No visible leakage. The system was holding pressure fine. I checked the oil for water, but only found it to be black and nasty. This within 500 miles of a change. I am suspecting the shop did not really change the oil. So, I gave it all new oil. Thermostat was changed, along with new hoses and water pump last summer. The AC does not function, so that should have no impact on temps. I have replaced the hood pad, and there are no cats living in the engine bay to add to the heat soaking. Transmission filter and fluids were change two years ago, about 2k miles. Anybody have insight? clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
