Re: [MBZ] How cold is it supposed to get?
Jim once described his research and results for adding the proper amount of butane and propane in order have a test mixture that worked well in his cars. He uses this only in order to find leaks, blockages, etc. of course. It may still be on his website. Gerry > No. from what they were saying the new industrial 134 replacement > is colder and better. You know how that advertising goes. > > MG > > Dan--- via Mercedes wrote: > > You're right. Looks like they relabeled ES-12 to something else. > > Interesting. > > > > Does that mean I should hoard my case of ES-12? > > > > -D > > > >> On Aug 24, 2017, at 9:49 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes > >> wrote: > >> > >> Couldn't find ES-12. I found ES-134a. > >> > >> http://www.es-refrigerants.com/ > >> > >> Oh, and I found this... > >> > >> https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/enviro-safe-refrigerants-agrees-halt-sales-unapproved-flammable-hydrocarbon-refrigerants > >> > >> Rick > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- arche...@embarqmail.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How cold is it supposed to get?
Probably because a car is well ventilated but a house isn't. Potential for a bit of a bang. MG Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote: Interesting, looks like the automotive stuff is still kosher, but the stuff for fixed systems is not. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How cold is it supposed to get?
No. from what they were saying the new industrial 134 replacement is colder and better. You know how that advertising goes. MG Dan--- via Mercedes wrote: You're right. Looks like they relabeled ES-12 to something else. Interesting. Does that mean I should hoard my case of ES-12? -D On Aug 24, 2017, at 9:49 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote: Couldn't find ES-12. I found ES-134a. http://www.es-refrigerants.com/ Oh, and I found this... https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/enviro-safe-refrigerants-agrees-halt-sales-unapproved-flammable-hydrocarbon-refrigerants Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How cold is it supposed to get?
I was redoing the whole system so it was all cleaned, new evap, new cond, new compressor etc. I used mineral oil because that was what was originally called for in the car. The Evercool is compatible with mineral PAG or whatever the other oil is, can't remember right now. It is also compatible with R134 or R12 so no real need to pull a vacuum. I would get the 134 out if there is any in there just because it won't be as efficient so it won't get as cool. You could leave r12 in there but then you won't know how much of the other stuff to put in. You use can for can the same amount as the r12 so probably about 3 cans. You will see foam in the sight glass with this so be aware that you can't go by the easy 'I don't see any bubbles in the sight glass so I'm full' like you can with r12. MG Craig via Mercedes wrote: On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 19:51:19 -0400 MG via Mercedes wrote: Yes. I use it in my w123's. 300D and 300TD Did you change the refrigeration oil, or leave what was in there? Craig Craig via Mercedes wrote: On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 12:49:45 -0400 MG via Mercedes wrote: I use the Envirosafe Industrial R-134a replacement. I use regular mineral oil and haven't had any problems in the 4-5 years or more that I've been using it. Are you using it in a car that's supposed to use R12? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How cold is it supposed to get?
Dan sez: >You're right. Looks like they relabeled >ES-12 to something else. Interesting. >Does that mean I should hoard my case >of ES-12? Nah. The ES-134a is the same stuff. It means you need to purchase another old Benz to make use of it... :D Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How cold is it supposed to get?
I've got a box of ES-12 I don't plan on using. Should I bring it to the ChowderQ for someone? Jaime On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 6:51 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote: > You're right. Looks like they relabeled ES-12 to something else. > Interesting. > > Does that mean I should hoard my case of ES-12? > > -D > > > On Aug 24, 2017, at 9:49 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > Couldn't find ES-12. I found ES-134a. > > > > http://www.es-refrigerants.com/ > > > > Oh, and I found this... > > > > https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/enviro-safe-refrigerants- > agrees-halt-sales-unapproved-flammable-hydrocarbon-refrigerants > > > > Rick > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How cold is it supposed to get?
You're right. Looks like they relabeled ES-12 to something else. Interesting. Does that mean I should hoard my case of ES-12? -D > On Aug 24, 2017, at 9:49 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes > wrote: > > Couldn't find ES-12. I found ES-134a. > > http://www.es-refrigerants.com/ > > Oh, and I found this... > > https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/enviro-safe-refrigerants-agrees-halt-sales-unapproved-flammable-hydrocarbon-refrigerants > > Rick > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How cold is it supposed to get?
On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 20:32:53 -0400 Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes wrote: > i'll answer you question... colder. 55 when its 75-80 outside isn't > very good. > > Put in more until the bubbles go away. Thanks for the info, Jaime. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How cold is it supposed to get?
Interesting, looks like the automotive stuff is still kosher, but the stuff for fixed systems is not. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On August 24, 2017 9:49:52 PM EDT, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote: >Couldn't find ES-12. I found ES-134a. > >http://www.es-refrigerants.com/ > >Oh, and I found this... > >https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/enviro-safe-refrigerants-agrees-halt-sales-unapproved-flammable-hydrocarbon-refrigerants > >Rick >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com > >To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How cold is it supposed to get?
On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 19:51:19 -0400 MG via Mercedes wrote: > Yes. I use it in my w123's. 300D and 300TD Did you change the refrigeration oil, or leave what was in there? Craig > Craig via Mercedes wrote: > > On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 12:49:45 -0400 MG via Mercedes > > wrote: > > > >> I use the Envirosafe Industrial R-134a replacement. I use regular > >> mineral oil and haven't had any problems in the 4-5 years or more > >> that I've been using it. > > > > Are you using it in a car that's supposed to use R12? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How cold is it supposed to get?
Couldn't find ES-12. I found ES-134a. http://www.es-refrigerants.com/ Oh, and I found this... https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/enviro-safe-refrigerants-agrees-halt-sales-unapproved-flammable-hydrocarbon-refrigerants Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How cold is it supposed to get?
It’s still called “ES-12”. At least when I bought a case of it last year it was. -D > On Aug 24, 2017, at 8:58 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes > wrote: > > Craig inquires: > >> Are you using it in a car that's supposed >to use R12? > > They used to call it ES-12, but I suspect the EPA got on their case about it. > To obey the letter of the law, an automobile using R12 refrigerant must be > converted to R134a, before being changed over to any other refrigerants. That > is why Jim Cathey is still using "test" refrigerant. > > Rick > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How cold is it supposed to get?
Craig inquires: >Are you using it in a car that's supposed >to use R12? They used to call it ES-12, but I suspect the EPA got on their case about it. To obey the letter of the law, an automobile using R12 refrigerant must be converted to R134a, before being changed over to any other refrigerants. That is why Jim Cathey is still using "test" refrigerant. Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How cold is it supposed to get?
i'll answer you question... colder. 55 when its 75-80 outside isn't very good. Put in more until the bubbles go away. Jaime On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 8:22 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote: > Getting ready for our trip to Texas tomorrow, I have been adding R-12 to > the E300D's A/C system. Having added a can (Kaleb sent me one) I still > have bubbles in the sight glass. With OAT 75 - 80 deg.F., I have a center > air vent temperature of 55. > > How cold is it supposed to get? > > Craig > > P.S. Why did they put the low-side connector under the vacuum line to the > brake booster and other vacuum lines, with the fitting pointed up? > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How cold is it supposed to get?
Yes. I use it in my w123's. 300D and 300TD MG Craig via Mercedes wrote: On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 12:49:45 -0400 MG via Mercedes wrote: I use the Envirosafe Industrial R-134a replacement. I use regular mineral oil and haven't had any problems in the 4-5 years or more that I've been using it. Are you using it in a car that's supposed to use R12? Craig Craig via Mercedes wrote: On Mon, 21 Aug 2017 20:55:04 -0400 MG via Mercedes wrote: I don't use R12 but what I do use goes to 39 at those temps. Consider that Mercedes puts a low temp sensor in the evaporator to keep it from freezing up. It shuts off the Compressor at 39. Since you don't use R12, what do you use? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How cold is it supposed to get?
On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 12:49:45 -0400 MG via Mercedes wrote: > I use the Envirosafe Industrial R-134a replacement. I use regular > mineral oil and haven't had any problems in the 4-5 years or more > that I've been using it. Are you using it in a car that's supposed to use R12? Craig > Craig via Mercedes wrote: > > On Mon, 21 Aug 2017 20:55:04 -0400 MG via Mercedes > > wrote: > > > >> I don't use R12 but what I do use goes to 39 at those temps. > >> Consider that Mercedes puts a low temp sensor in the evaporator > >> to keep it from freezing up. It shuts off the Compressor at 39. > > > > Since you don't use R12, what do you use? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How cold is it supposed to get?
I use the Envirosafe Industrial R-134a replacement. I use regular mineral oil and haven't had any problems in the 4-5 years or more that I've been using it. MG Craig via Mercedes wrote: On Mon, 21 Aug 2017 20:55:04 -0400 MG via Mercedes wrote: I don't use R12 but what I do use goes to 39 at those temps. Consider that Mercedes puts a low temp sensor in the evaporator to keep it from freezing up. It shuts off the Compressor at 39. Since you don't use R12, what do you use? Thanks, Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How cold is it supposed to get?
I think he uses one of the hydrocarbon blends. -D > On Aug 24, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Craig via Mercedes > wrote: > > On Mon, 21 Aug 2017 20:55:04 -0400 MG via Mercedes > wrote: > >> I don't use R12 but what I do use goes to 39 at those temps. >> Consider that Mercedes puts a low temp sensor in the evaporator >> to keep it from freezing up. It shuts off the Compressor at 39. > > Since you don't use R12, what do you use? > > Thanks, > > > Craig > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How cold is it supposed to get?
On Mon, 21 Aug 2017 20:55:04 -0400 MG via Mercedes wrote: > I don't use R12 but what I do use goes to 39 at those temps. > Consider that Mercedes puts a low temp sensor in the evaporator > to keep it from freezing up. It shuts off the Compressor at 39. Since you don't use R12, what do you use? Thanks, Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How cold is it supposed to get?
I don't use R12 but what I do use goes to 39 at those temps. Consider that Mercedes puts a low temp sensor in the evaporator to keep it from freezing up. It shuts off the Compressor at 39. We used to fill the R12 till there was no foam to be seen. A couple of small bubbles are OK but mostly I looked for a clear black field with no bubbles. MG Craig via Mercedes wrote: Getting ready for our trip to Texas tomorrow, I have been adding R-12 to the E300D's A/C system. Having added a can (Kaleb sent me one) I still have bubbles in the sight glass. With OAT 75 - 80 deg.F., I have a center air vent temperature of 55. How cold is it supposed to get? Craig P.S. Why did they put the low-side connector under the vacuum line to the brake booster and other vacuum lines, with the fitting pointed up? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] How cold is it supposed to get?
Getting ready for our trip to Texas tomorrow, I have been adding R-12 to the E300D's A/C system. Having added a can (Kaleb sent me one) I still have bubbles in the sight glass. With OAT 75 - 80 deg.F., I have a center air vent temperature of 55. How cold is it supposed to get? Craig P.S. Why did they put the low-side connector under the vacuum line to the brake booster and other vacuum lines, with the fitting pointed up? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
