Re: [MBZ] Just ain't got time to fit a proper filter!
Probably a transplant then. I doubt the Olds v* looked right in my MGA either :-) On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 12:07 PM, clay wrote: > IT did not look right, but body was racing green, inline with the add on > blower. Had the Triumph hood pad > > clay > > > -- OK Don "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin 1775 "in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes." - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Just ain't got time to fit a proper filter!
IT did not look right, but body was racing green, inline with the add on blower. Had the Triumph hood pad clay On Oct 8, 2013, at 10:00 AM, OK Don wrote: > Getting picky here, but the TR 4 had an inline four cyl. The TR 250 had a > six in the same body, and was followed by the TR 6 with a new body style. > > > On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 10:50 PM, clay wrote: > >> I saw this thing stuffed into a TR 4 inline six this weekend >> >> http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/pts/4116296830.html >> >> >> clay >> >> > > > -- > OK Don > "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary > safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin 1775 > "in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes." > - Benjamin Franklin 1789 > 2013 F150, 18 mpg > 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Just ain't got time to fit a proper filter!
Getting picky here, but the TR 4 had an inline four cyl. The TR 250 had a six in the same body, and was followed by the TR 6 with a new body style. On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 10:50 PM, clay wrote: > I saw this thing stuffed into a TR 4 inline six this weekend > > http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/pts/4116296830.html > > > clay > > -- OK Don "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin 1775 "in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes." - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Oct 7, 2013 7:54 PM, "clay" wrote: > > Might have to look at snagging one of the toyota super chargers. Watch the P'n'P for one of the ubiquitous Eaton M90 blowers off a GM 3.8-liter V-6? Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Why not one of those big middle-of-the-hood ram air scoops that you have to crane your neck to see over? That would look real sporty on your Mercedes. Gerry Might have to look at snagging one of the toyota super chargers. Or a window fan clay On Oct 7, 2013, at 7:44 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: Which is why my brother and I fall down laughing every time we see a 950 cfm carburetor on a Chevy 350. They usually throw a rod above 4500 rpm and can barely manage 450 cfm, if you have mechanical secondaries they won't run worth a hoot. Very few production V8s will spin as fast as a Benz M116 (6200 rev limit) or an M117 (5800 rpm rev limit). American iron is 4200 to 4500 and the DON'T like going faster -- not enough skirt on the piston, they won't live long. Newer DOHC with variable timing may get up that fast, but typically not, the valve train gets hard to manage and the inherent vibration does bad things to the crankshaft. In-line sixes go scary fast with a good valve train, so do V12s. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4142 / Virus Database: 3604/6730 - Release Date: 10/07/13 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I saw this thing stuffed into a TR 4 inline six this weekend http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/pts/4116296830.html clay On Oct 7, 2013, at 7:53 PM, clay wrote: > Might have to look at snagging one of the toyota super chargers. Or a window > fan > > clay > > On Oct 7, 2013, at 7:44 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: > >> Which is why my brother and I fall down laughing every time we see a 950 cfm >> carburetor on a Chevy 350. They usually throw a rod above 4500 rpm and can >> barely manage 450 cfm, if you have mechanical secondaries they won't run >> worth a hoot. >> >> Very few production V8s will spin as fast as a Benz M116 (6200 rev limit) or >> an M117 (5800 rpm rev limit). American iron is 4200 to 4500 and the DON'T >> like going faster -- not enough skirt on the piston, they won't live long. >> Newer DOHC with variable timing may get up that fast, but typically not, the >> valve train gets hard to manage and the inherent vibration does bad things >> to the crankshaft. >> >> In-line sixes go scary fast with a good valve train, so do V12s. >> >> Peter >> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Mon, 7 Oct 2013 22:01:33 -0500 Fmiser wrote: > > > Peter Frederick wrote: > > > > > > Or a nice blower, eh? > > > > > > Turbochargers are great! > > > Craig wrote: > > > > A 4.5 liter engine at 5500 RPM and full throttle will require > > > > 4.5 liter5500 rev 1 ft^3ft^3 > > - x -- x - = 437 -- > > 2 revmin28.32 liter min > > With zero pressure. To get a pressure increase will require > greater flow capacity at the blower - right? Yes. But how much flow capacity to get what pressure increase is a little more difficult to determine. I would guess that to get a one-atmosphere pressure increase one would have to double the flow rate Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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> > Peter Frederick wrote: > > > > Or a nice blower, eh? > > > > Turbochargers are great! > Craig wrote: > > A 4.5 liter engine at 5500 RPM and full throttle will require > > 4.5 liter5500 rev 1 ft^3ft^3 > - x -- x - = 437 -- > 2 revmin28.32 liter min With zero pressure. To get a pressure increase will require greater flow capacity at the blower - right? -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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> clay wrote: > > so any air temp differential is negated by the ignition > process? Yes, or no. If you just expand the air, you have shifted energy from "phase" of the air to another. It requires something like an intercooler that takes the heat from the intake air and moves it to ambient air. > Summer v. Winter air temp makes a difference? Yes. The reason cool air is better is because it is more dense. That is, more oxygen per cubic centimeter of air. Reducing the air density in the air intake to cool it doesn't make it more dense... > Is the expansion temp Delta only 4 or 5 degree? I don't know, but it probably isn't much more than that. But again, it doesn't matter because the energy has shifted, not removed. > It sounded like a good theory Yeah, it did... --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Just ain't got time to fit a proper filter!
Might have to look at snagging one of the toyota super chargers. Or a window fan clay On Oct 7, 2013, at 7:44 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: > Which is why my brother and I fall down laughing every time we see a 950 cfm > carburetor on a Chevy 350. They usually throw a rod above 4500 rpm and can > barely manage 450 cfm, if you have mechanical secondaries they won't run > worth a hoot. > > Very few production V8s will spin as fast as a Benz M116 (6200 rev limit) or > an M117 (5800 rpm rev limit). American iron is 4200 to 4500 and the DON'T > like going faster -- not enough skirt on the piston, they won't live long. > Newer DOHC with variable timing may get up that fast, but typically not, the > valve train gets hard to manage and the inherent vibration does bad things to > the crankshaft. > > In-line sixes go scary fast with a good valve train, so do V12s. > > Peter > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Just ain't got time to fit a proper filter!
Which is why my brother and I fall down laughing every time we see a 950 cfm carburetor on a Chevy 350. They usually throw a rod above 4500 rpm and can barely manage 450 cfm, if you have mechanical secondaries they won't run worth a hoot. Very few production V8s will spin as fast as a Benz M116 (6200 rev limit) or an M117 (5800 rpm rev limit). American iron is 4200 to 4500 and the DON'T like going faster -- not enough skirt on the piston, they won't live long. Newer DOHC with variable timing may get up that fast, but typically not, the valve train gets hard to manage and the inherent vibration does bad things to the crankshaft. In-line sixes go scary fast with a good valve train, so do V12s. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Mon, 7 Oct 2013 21:29:15 -0500 Peter Frederick wrote: > Or a nice blower, eh? > > Turbochargers are great! A 4.5 liter engine at 5500 RPM and full throttle will require 4.5 liter5500 rev 1 ft^3ft^3 - x -- x - = 437 -- 2 revmin28.32 liter min Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Or a nice blower, eh? Turbochargers are great! Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Ahhh. Get a nice 12v leaf blower hooked to the intake! clay On Oct 7, 2013, at 4:59 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: > What counts is charge density -- the actual pressure in the cylinder at the > ignition point. Since there is a significant pressure drop through the > intake, the faster the air is moving as it goes through the air filter, the > more will be delivered to the cylinders. Sticking a pipe with lots of fairly > sharp bends in it on top of the throttle body does absolutely nothing to > increase airflow, and can actually restrict it due to standing pressure waves > at the bends. > > Fluid dynamics, or aerodymanics in particular. > > Peter > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Just ain't got time to fit a proper filter!
What counts is charge density -- the actual pressure in the cylinder at the ignition point. Since there is a significant pressure drop through the intake, the faster the air is moving as it goes through the air filter, the more will be delivered to the cylinders. Sticking a pipe with lots of fairly sharp bends in it on top of the throttle body does absolutely nothing to increase airflow, and can actually restrict it due to standing pressure waves at the bends. Fluid dynamics, or aerodymanics in particular. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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so any air temp differential is negated by the ignition process? Summer v. Winter air temp makes a difference? Is the expansion temp Delta only 4 or 5 degree? It sounded like a good theory clay On Oct 7, 2013, at 1:06 PM, Fmiser wrote: >> clay wrote: >> >> All this chatter about filters and intake, I just had >> enlightenment. >> >> Looking at the way the intake is built on the early R107, the >> opening is a bit smaller than the rest of the cone leading to the >> cleaner. Incoming air, warm or not, would be sucked into the >> cone, where it would expand, cooling a bit as it expanded and >> then expanding even more when it gets to the enlarged filter >> housing. Physics at work! > > Except any gain made in cooling by expanding like that would be > lost as it is compressed in the cylinder. Sorry - no benefit > without dumping some heat somewhere else. > > -- Philip > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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It's actually there to increase the velocity, not cool the air. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Just ain't got time to fit a proper filter!
> clay wrote: > > All this chatter about filters and intake, I just had > enlightenment. > > Looking at the way the intake is built on the early R107, the > opening is a bit smaller than the rest of the cone leading to the > cleaner. Incoming air, warm or not, would be sucked into the > cone, where it would expand, cooling a bit as it expanded and > then expanding even more when it gets to the enlarged filter > housing. Physics at work! Except any gain made in cooling by expanding like that would be lost as it is compressed in the cylinder. Sorry - no benefit without dumping some heat somewhere else. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 11:53 PM, clay wrote: > All this chatter about filters and intake, I just had enlightenment. > > > Wonder if I should hook a larger funnel to the opening so that more air > gets forced in. Or I could hook a blower up. And some propane or a small > O2 bottle. > > clay > Or all of the above :-) -- OK Don "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin 1775 "in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes." - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Propane injection is great for a Diesel if ya wanna drag race or pull hard. Mike On Oct 7, 2013 12:53 AM, "clay" wrote: > All this chatter about filters and intake, I just had enlightenment. > > Looking at the way the intake is built on the early R107, the opening is a > bit smaller than the rest of the cone leading to the cleaner. Incoming > air, warm or not, would be sucked into the cone, where it would expand, > cooling a bit as it expanded and then expanding even more when it gets to > the enlarged filter housing. Physics at work! > > Wonder if I should hook a larger funnel to the opening so that more air > gets forced in. Or I could hook a blower up. And some propane or a small > O2 bottle. > > clay > > > On Oct 6, 2013, at 6:50 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: > > > More to the point, the K&N was developed for DIRT TRACK racing, where > there is alway an enormous amount of dust. Wash and re-oil is quick, > cheap, and they don't plug up as bad as paper filters. > > > > There are no other advantages, as has been demonstrated numerous times. > In most cases, when you get enough oil on the filter to actually remove > the dirt rather than let fine dust into the engine, the oil will coat the > now ubiquitous platinum wire flow meters, burn onto the wire, and > permanently screw up the air flow meter. > > > > Finally, velocity makes a huge difference in the amount of air that > actually goes down the intake, and a pipe with three 45 degree turns has > very much less flow than a properly designed venturi (which is present on > any Benz I've ever seen). Worst case is the bare filter on top of the > intake -- I've seen dyno curves that show at 10 to 15% LOSS of power > without the filter housing. > > > > High priced crap to remove the money from kid's pockets. > > > > Peter > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Just ain't got time to fit a proper filter!
All this chatter about filters and intake, I just had enlightenment. Looking at the way the intake is built on the early R107, the opening is a bit smaller than the rest of the cone leading to the cleaner. Incoming air, warm or not, would be sucked into the cone, where it would expand, cooling a bit as it expanded and then expanding even more when it gets to the enlarged filter housing. Physics at work! Wonder if I should hook a larger funnel to the opening so that more air gets forced in. Or I could hook a blower up. And some propane or a small O2 bottle. clay On Oct 6, 2013, at 6:50 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: > More to the point, the K&N was developed for DIRT TRACK racing, where there > is alway an enormous amount of dust. Wash and re-oil is quick, cheap, and > they don't plug up as bad as paper filters. > > There are no other advantages, as has been demonstrated numerous times. In > most cases, when you get enough oil on the filter to actually remove the dirt > rather than let fine dust into the engine, the oil will coat the now > ubiquitous platinum wire flow meters, burn onto the wire, and permanently > screw up the air flow meter. > > Finally, velocity makes a huge difference in the amount of air that actually > goes down the intake, and a pipe with three 45 degree turns has very much > less flow than a properly designed venturi (which is present on any Benz I've > ever seen). Worst case is the bare filter on top of the intake -- I've seen > dyno curves that show at 10 to 15% LOSS of power without the filter housing. > > High priced crap to remove the money from kid's pockets. > > Peter > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Hendrik and Fay wrote: Then there is the question of a spoiler on a Diesel. Hmmnh hammer Diesel. http://spoki.tvnet.lv/automoto/AMG-300E-60-Hammer-W124/130880 I almost bought a Hammer from Alain Vanhollebeke 8 years ago. http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/1043438-post26.html I would have made a crazy Finn diesel out of it, the guy who did buy it bought a Hammer engine for it and spent a small fortune putting it right, even had some reproduction Hammer head gaskets made at great cost. Hard to imagine finding an engine out of a Hammer here in the USA, right? Well, it turned out to be the very engine that came out of the car, so the car was a numbers matching original when it was finished. Mitch ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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More to the point, the K&N was developed for DIRT TRACK racing, where there is alway an enormous amount of dust. Wash and re-oil is quick, cheap, and they don't plug up as bad as paper filters. There are no other advantages, as has been demonstrated numerous times. In most cases, when you get enough oil on the filter to actually remove the dirt rather than let fine dust into the engine, the oil will coat the now ubiquitous platinum wire flow meters, burn onto the wire, and permanently screw up the air flow meter. Finally, velocity makes a huge difference in the amount of air that actually goes down the intake, and a pipe with three 45 degree turns has very much less flow than a properly designed venturi (which is present on any Benz I've ever seen). Worst case is the bare filter on top of the intake -- I've seen dyno curves that show at 10 to 15% LOSS of power without the filter housing. High priced crap to remove the money from kid's pockets. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yeah it has to be asked what the thinking is behind using these types of air filters. I believe they where developed for racing car application and then found their way into road going cars. Sure MB developed their air intake systems for the worst possible scenarios and are not as free flowing as these barely there types but any benefit you gain here, you'd lose by sucking in warmer air. Warm air is less dense I believe and air density is a factor in producing HP. It would be an interesting exercise to put this car on a dyno and see if there are any actual any extra horses mysteriously appearing by using this type of filter v the real deal. Personally it is always a turn off to see this sort of thing, screams boy racer who is more interested in going faster than maintaining their car. Then there is the question of a spoiler on a Diesel. Hmmnh hammer Diesel. http://spoki.tvnet.lv/automoto/AMG-300E-60-Hammer-W124/130880 Hendrik who recently changed the proper air filter On 07/10/13 07:58, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: So rather than sucking in colder outside air from the fender intake we suck hot engine air in from under the hood. Brilliant Sent from my iPhone On Oct 6, 2013, at 4:02 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: m...@voyager.net wrote: I asked him about the Becker and the 'factory cold air intake system'. Should be interesting to see if he publishes my question and his answer. I got a reply from him, and he published it on eBay: http://search.ebay.com/251351651811 Q: Do you still have the factory cold air intake system and Becker radio? Do they come with the car? A: I think I have the air intake, but the radio had failed. sorry. I will include the original air intake with the car if its wanted. Thanks ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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So rather than sucking in colder outside air from the fender intake we suck hot engine air in from under the hood. Brilliant Sent from my iPhone On Oct 6, 2013, at 4:02 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: > m...@voyager.net wrote: > >> I asked him about the Becker and the 'factory cold air intake system'. >> Should be interesting to see if he publishes my question and his answer. > > I got a reply from him, and he published it on eBay: > > http://search.ebay.com/251351651811 > > Q: Do you still have the factory cold air intake system and Becker radio? Do > they come with the car? > A: I think I have the air intake, but the radio had failed. sorry. I will > include the original air intake with the car if its wanted. Thanks > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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m...@voyager.net wrote: I asked him about the Becker and the 'factory cold air intake system'. Should be interesting to see if he publishes my question and his answer. I got a reply from him, and he published it on eBay: http://search.ebay.com/251351651811 Q: Do you still have the factory cold air intake system and Becker radio? Do they come with the car? A: I think I have the air intake, but the radio had failed. sorry. I will include the original air intake with the car if its wanted. Thanks ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Just ain't got time!
'Sure glad I'm not in a mood to want it. Not only is it black, it's had all that other ridiculous crap done to it. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Chris James" To: Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2013 12:51 AM Subject: [MBZ] Just ain't got time! Ugh...Well, someone had time to black out the grill, time to install aftermarket wheels, time to install a spoiler, time to install clear marker lights & time to install an aftermarket warm air intake (not sure how they figure air drawn from under the hood is cooler). But...to have new ball joints installed, fix the temp gauge or the rear windowforgetta'bout it...just ain't got time!!! eBay link: 1995 Mercedes-Benz E-Class (1995 Mercedes E300D 163k) http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-Benz-E-Class-Gold-1995-mercedes-e-300-d-163-k-/251351651811 -- Chris J. MBCA Peachtree section Past MB Models: '85 190D 2.2, '94 E420, '87 260E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Just ain't got time!
Air intakes are an interesting subject since all the magazines have all the kiddies convinced that they need a "cold air intake" to "increase performance". With the TDI crowd you get those people who don't realize that the same intake used on the TDI was also used on the VR6 which made twice as much power and people have proven it good up to 200hp... -Curt Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2013 06:07:17 -0400 (EDT) From: m...@voyager.net To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Subject: Re: [MBZ] Just ain't got time! Message-ID: <61025.107.194.192.215.1380967637.squir...@webmail.core.com> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > > Ugh...Well, someone had time to black out the grill, time to install > aftermarket wheels, time to install a spoiler, time to install clear > marker lights & time to install an aftermarket warm air intake (not sure > how they figure air drawn from under the hood is cooler). Yep, it's far enough from the radiator to call it a warm air intake. Sometimes (not usually on mbz diesels) you see them directly behind the radiator, or inches away from the exhaust manifold. I call those hot air intakes. The odd part is the car came with a very effective intake system pulling cold air directly from outside the fender. Not to mention the engine probably won't go "another 200k miles" without a decent air filter on it. I asked him about the Becker and the 'factory cold air intake system'. Should be interesting to see if he publishes my question and his answer. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Just ain't got time!
> > Ugh...Well, someone had time to black out the grill, time to install > aftermarket wheels, time to install a spoiler, time to install clear > marker lights & time to install an aftermarket warm air intake (not sure > how they figure air drawn from under the hood is cooler). Yep, it's far enough from the radiator to call it a warm air intake. Sometimes (not usually on mbz diesels) you see them directly behind the radiator, or inches away from the exhaust manifold. I call those hot air intakes. The odd part is the car came with a very effective intake system pulling cold air directly from outside the fender. Not to mention the engine probably won't go "another 200k miles" without a decent air filter on it. I asked him about the Becker and the 'factory cold air intake system'. Should be interesting to see if he publishes my question and his answer. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Just ain't got time!
Ugh...Well, someone had time to black out the grill, time to install aftermarket wheels, time to install a spoiler, time to install clear marker lights & time to install an aftermarket warm air intake (not sure how they figure air drawn from under the hood is cooler). But...to have new ball joints installed, fix the temp gauge or the rear windowforgetta'bout it...just ain't got time!!! eBay link: 1995 Mercedes-Benz E-Class (1995 Mercedes E300D 163k) http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-Benz-E-Class-Gold-1995-mercedes-e-300-d-163-k-/251351651811 -- Chris J. MBCA Peachtree section Past MB Models: '85 190D 2.2, '94 E420, '87 260E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
