Re: [MBZ] M1 ATF Change - Was - DieselPurge
On Apr 7, 2006, at 6:37 PM, Marshall Booth wrote: I'll be eager to see how things work for you. I had found that shift quality started to deteriorate at 20-25kmi using conventional ATF and at about 30-35kmi using Mobil 1. Marshall I'll let you know. The stuff isn't worth it to me if it doesn't reduce wear/particles and allow extended drain intervals. I only wish I had saved a sample of whatever was in it prior to switching to Amsoil syn ATF. Tranny has worked perfectly since I got it and still does, time and miles will tell. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] M1 ATF Change - Was - DieselPurge
John Berryman wrote: It would be cost effective to save the fluid and change the filter. One of the reasons for using M1 ATF (or Amsoil in my case) is to reduce friction/wear. So theoretically there should be considerably less particles in the fluid. They both make claims of extended drain intervals. Once again, analysis of the fluid will tell all and should govern when fluid should be changed. I plan on running our 190D to 45,000 miles and send in a sample. I'll be eager to see how things work for you. I had found that shift quality started to deteriorate at 20-25kmi using conventional ATF and at about 30-35kmi using Mobil 1. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) "der Dieseling Doktor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)
Re: [MBZ] M1 ATF Change - Was - DieselPurge
On Apr 7, 2006, at 5:03 PM, Marshall Booth wrote: You must NOT push the change interval when using Mobil 1 ATF. You need to change the fluid/filter at about the same interval as part of the purpose of the ATF/filter change is to remove the friction material debris (that will clog the filter). Even conventional ATF is seldom "worn out" when a change is required although it may be damaged or contaminated. The advantage of M-1 ATF is the much smoother shifting (and resulting longer friction material life) and more viscosity consistency with respect to temperature. Marshall It would be cost effective to save the fluid and change the filter. One of the reasons for using M1 ATF (or Amsoil in my case) is to reduce friction/wear. So theoretically there should be considerably less particles in the fluid. They both make claims of extended drain intervals. Once again, analysis of the fluid will tell all and should govern when fluid should be changed. I plan on running our 190D to 45,000 miles and send in a sample. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] M1 ATF Change - Was - DieselPurge
what's that you say -- WHAT I SAID, WHAT'S THAT YOU SAY, SONNY?
Damn kids, always playing around ...
;-)
Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)
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From: "Rich Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 3:34 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] M1 ATF Change - Was - DieselPurge
Maybe some dripped down into your ears when you were under there doing
the fluid drain? That could make things quieter!
--R
Marshall Booth wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jim wrote (about Diesel Purge) - "<< It was definitely more quiet
after>>>
Speaking of becoming quieter, I changed the ATF and filter early this
week
(on the '91 300D) and could swear the car is quieter!
While I expect this when changing from fossil to synthetic engine oil,
the
change in sound level from fossil ATF to M1 ATF was unexpected.
Has anyone else experienced this (with the ATF change) or is it my
imagination/wishful thinking?
I've NEVER noticed any change in sound. My transmissions don't make any
detectable sound when the engine/driveline is properly supported by
their rubber mounts and couplings, but the transmission does shift more
smoothly - especially in cold weather.
Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] M1 ATF Change - Was - DieselPurge
Tom Scordato wrote: Has anyone else experienced this (with the ATF change) or is it my imagination/wishful thinking? Imagination but who cares. Now you can go much longer between ATF changes! You must NOT push the change interval when using Mobil 1 ATF. You need to change the fluid/filter at about the same interval as part of the purpose of the ATF/filter change is to remove the friction material debris (that will clog the filter). Even conventional ATF is seldom "worn out" when a change is required although it may be damaged or contaminated. The advantage of M-1 ATF is the much smoother shifting (and resulting longer friction material life) and more viscosity consistency with respect to temperature. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) "der Dieseling Doktor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)
Re: [MBZ] M1 ATF Change - Was - DieselPurge
Has anyone else experienced this (with the ATF change) or is it my
imagination/wishful thinking?
Imagination but who cares. Now you can go much longer between ATF changes!
/Tom
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Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 1:51 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] M1 ATF Change - Was - DieselPurge
Jim wrote (about Diesel Purge) - "<< It was definitely more quiet after>>>
Speaking of becoming quieter, I changed the ATF and filter early this week
(on the '91 300D) and could swear the car is quieter!
While I expect this when changing from fossil to synthetic engine oil, the
change in sound level from fossil ATF to M1 ATF was unexpected.
Has anyone else experienced this (with the ATF change) or is it my
imagination/wishful thinking?
Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)
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Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] DieselPurge
In a message dated 4/7/2006 6:22:10 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
And I do believe that you are to manually manipulate your throttle
linkage
from medium to fast and a little slow while Purging...it is not to be
done
idling the whole time, correct? Shouldn't take more than 15 minutes to
burn
through that bottle, no?
For maximum cleaning effect, the fuel return line should be routed back
to
the purge container and the fluid recycled until gone. This took me
about
45
minutes, mostly at idle.
Watch the level and don't let it run completely dry! Hard starting will
ensue.
I set up my video camera to listen to the engine before, during, and
after
the purge. It was definitely more quiet after!
Regards,
Jim Friesen
Phoenix AZ
79 300SD, 262 K miles
98 ML 320, 141 K miles
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Re: [MBZ] M1 ATF Change - Was - DieselPurge
Maybe some dripped down into your ears when you were under there doing the fluid drain? That could make things quieter! --R Marshall Booth wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim wrote (about Diesel Purge) - "<< It was definitely more quiet after>>> Speaking of becoming quieter, I changed the ATF and filter early this week (on the '91 300D) and could swear the car is quieter! While I expect this when changing from fossil to synthetic engine oil, the change in sound level from fossil ATF to M1 ATF was unexpected. Has anyone else experienced this (with the ATF change) or is it my imagination/wishful thinking? I've NEVER noticed any change in sound. My transmissions don't make any detectable sound when the engine/driveline is properly supported by their rubber mounts and couplings, but the transmission does shift more smoothly - especially in cold weather. Marshall
Re: [MBZ] M1 ATF Change - Was - DieselPurge
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim wrote (about Diesel Purge) - "<< It was definitely more quiet after>>> Speaking of becoming quieter, I changed the ATF and filter early this week (on the '91 300D) and could swear the car is quieter! While I expect this when changing from fossil to synthetic engine oil, the change in sound level from fossil ATF to M1 ATF was unexpected. Has anyone else experienced this (with the ATF change) or is it my imagination/wishful thinking? I've NEVER noticed any change in sound. My transmissions don't make any detectable sound when the engine/driveline is properly supported by their rubber mounts and couplings, but the transmission does shift more smoothly - especially in cold weather. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) "der Dieseling Doktor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)
Re: [MBZ] M1 ATF Change - Was - DieselPurge
Jim wrote (about Diesel Purge) - "<< It was definitely more quiet after>>>
Speaking of becoming quieter, I changed the ATF and filter early this week
(on the '91 300D) and could swear the car is quieter!
While I expect this when changing from fossil to synthetic engine oil, the
change in sound level from fossil ATF to M1 ATF was unexpected.
Has anyone else experienced this (with the ATF change) or is it my
imagination/wishful thinking?
Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)
A Blood Test for your oil - www.youroil.net
For Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil
Weber Carb Stuff http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs
http://members.rennlist.com/my_911/Index.htm For my Paint Job Info
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] DieselPurge
In a message dated 4/7/2006 6:22:10 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
And I do believe that you are to manually manipulate your throttle
linkage
from medium to fast and a little slow while Purging...it is not to be
done
idling the whole time, correct? Shouldn't take more than 15 minutes to
burn
through that bottle, no?
For maximum cleaning effect, the fuel return line should be routed back to
the purge container and the fluid recycled until gone. This took me about
45
minutes, mostly at idle.
Watch the level and don't let it run completely dry! Hard starting will
ensue.
I set up my video camera to listen to the engine before, during, and
after
the purge. It was definitely more quiet after!
Regards,
Jim Friesen
Phoenix AZ
79 300SD, 262 K miles
98 ML 320, 141 K miles
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