Re: [MBZ] Now you can't get R107 Tumblers
The Saga continues. DBAG no longer makes the ignition lock, just the tumbler and key. W116 and W107 are S.O.L. if you need one from the factory. Chinese now manu-fake a replacement that can be sourced for under $200, but not from the dealer. I ordered the tumbler and coded key at the dealer. They have no idea when the dark elves from the Black Forest will be able to forge it from their mighty smithies. In the meanwhile, I had hoped to get a locksmith to pick the lock or jigger it so I could get the tumbler free. The locksmith said they send Mercedes to my indy for lock jobs. So, I gave them a call. Instead of the $1500 to drill out the part, the indy will do it all for $300 labor and they even found a NOS ignition lock body in NorCal. I just may be able to drive before the end of the season. clay On Apr 26, 2014, at 3:43 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel wrote: I've had a locksmith successfully rekey a 107 door tumbler, so I don't see why not. On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 5:36 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: I went to the dealer to order a fresh tumbler for Froggy. We spent a half hour on the EPC trying to figure out what the heck to do . The datac ard does not show for the car, and the parts are not available anymore. There were five tumbler options and they all showed as being substituted to another part that is not available. The next step substituted to having to replace the whole lock system, but that was not able to get ordered and said to purchase a replacement steering column. That is not available. Parts guy plans to call Germany or maybe a Unicorn breeder so he can understand how to resolve the issue. I am thinking the early R107 and the W116 share an ignition lock. If there are problems getting replacement parts, all the 1970's cars are ticking time bombs. Anybody think a lock smith can rebuild the original? clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Now you can't get R107 Tumblers
MAgic Tom at Classic center got me a solution clay On Apr 26, 2014, at 5:08 PM, Mountain Man wrote: clay wrote: Parts guy plans to call Germany... Maybe try the classic center somewhere down in SoCal. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Now you can't get R107 Tumblers
Tom is aware of the NLA on 450SL tumblers, but the EPC says it applies to all the cars, but it is not true for Froggy now. clay On Apr 27, 2014, at 8:26 PM, OK Don wrote: If Froggy is '74 as I suspect, he needs a tumbler from a 115 or 116, nothing much later. It should heave the edge cut key. It might be that Curt is correct, you need to clean it, and possibly need a new key, but the tumbler assembly might be OK. -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Now you can't get R107 Tumblers
Excellent news! On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 4:53 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: Tom is aware of the NLA on 450SL tumblers, but the EPC says it applies to all the cars, but it is not true for Froggy now. clay -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Now you can't get R107 Tumblers
On Mon, 28 Apr 2014 14:53:14 -0700 clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: Tom is aware of the NLA on 450SL tumblers, but the EPC says it applies to all the cars, but it is not true for Froggy now. That's not a very nice way to treat us. What did he do? Why is it no longer true for Froggy? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Now you can't get R107 Tumblers
Retards are involved with the EPC, Tom called his tuetonic mentors and they told him that the NLA only applied to later editions, since the early cars... 116, 115, 114 used the same tumblers. That would be a total screw you over to not allow people to use their cars. clay On Apr 28, 2014, at 3:20 PM, Craig wrote: On Mon, 28 Apr 2014 14:53:14 -0700 clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: Tom is aware of the NLA on 450SL tumblers, but the EPC says it applies to all the cars, but it is not true for Froggy now. That's not a very nice way to treat us. What did he do? Why is it no longer true for Froggy? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Now you can't get R107 Tumblers
Craig wrote: On Mon, 28 Apr 2014 14:53:14 -0700 clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: Tom is aware of the NLA on 450SL tumblers, but the EPC says it applies to all the cars, but it is not true for Froggy now. That's not a very nice way to treat us. What did he do? Why is it no longer true for Froggy? My understanding of the situation: Ignition tumbler no longer available for some years of 107. Tumbler available for Clay's green 450SL. Electronics Parts Catalog says all 107 tumblers are NLA, making it hard to order one without calling the Classic Center. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Now you can't get R107 Tumblers
On Mon, 28 Apr 2014 15:32:51 -0700 clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: Retards are involved with the EPC, Tom called his tuetonic mentors and they told him that the NLA only applied to later editions, since the early cars... 116, 115, 114 used the same tumblers. That would be a total screw you over to not allow people to use their cars. Well, good! I'm glad he was able to find out the true situation and tell you how to order one for Froggy. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Now you can't get R107 Tumblers
Craig wrote: Well, good! Yes - Tom at Classic is good for lotsa stuff, thankfully. Several years ago he got me the correct number for clutch master cylinder and I ordered it at dealer. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Now you can't get R107 Tumblers
I'm I right in assuming 107 keys are side cut like 124/201 keys? For the edge cut keys like a 123 I think the conventional wisdom that you replace the tumbler is wrong. The tumbler itself has absolutely no wear items at all that I can detect. What happens is the old lubricant gets gooey, actually since the old lubricant is probably just graphite its other crap that gets into the tumbler that gets gooey, plus brass shaved off the wafers. My '78 240D got sticky a couple years ago. I took it apart and cleaned it real good with brake cleaner. Then I rebuilt it so it is keyed the same as the doors which it wasn't before. Its not brain surgery, the tumbler is a very simple piece of kit. I buffed it good so the outside turned nicely in the housing and its been good for at least 2 years... I can't imagine the side cut keys are significantly different although I've never had one to play with. If somebody wanted to donate a tumbler from one I'd spend some time on it. -Curt Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2014 15:36:20 -0700 From: clay redgh...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Now you can't get R107 Tumblers Message-ID: 97a84a7f-5d6f-4cb9-899b-ada586cbe...@comcast.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I went to the dealer to order a fresh tumbler for Froggy. We spent a half hour on the EPC trying to figure out what the heck to do . The datac ard does not show for the car, and the parts are not available anymore. There were five tumbler options and they all showed as being substituted to another part that is not available. The next step substituted to having to replace the whole lock system, but that was not able to get ordered and said to purchase a replacement steering column. That is not available. Parts guy plans to call Germany or maybe a Unicorn breeder so he can understand how to resolve the issue. I am thinking the early R107 and the W116 share an ignition lock. If there are problems getting replacement parts, all the 1970's cars are ticking time bombs. Anybody think a lock smith can rebuild the original? clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Now you can't get R107 Tumblers
107's, with their near-20-year run, exhibit quite a variation over the years. ACC, engines, keys, etc. Our 1983 and 1986 SL's used different keys, for example. 1986 was side-cut, the 1983 was old-school edge-cut. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Now you can't get R107 Tumblers
On Sun, 27 Apr 2014 09:47:45 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I can't imagine the side cut keys are significantly different although I've never had one to play with. If somebody wanted to donate a tumbler from one I'd spend some time on it. I might be able to liberate one of the tumblers from our '94 E420. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Now you can't get R107 Tumblers
If Froggy is '74 as I suspect, he needs a tumbler from a 115 or 116, nothing much later. It should heave the edge cut key. It might be that Curt is correct, you need to clean it, and possibly need a new key, but the tumbler assembly might be OK. -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Now you can't get R107 Tumblers
On Sun, 27 Apr 2014 22:26:09 -0500 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: If Froggy is '74 as I suspect, he needs a tumbler from a 115 or 116, nothing much later. It should heave the edge cut key. It might be that Curt is correct, you need to clean it, and possibly need a new key, but the tumbler assembly might be OK. Yes, Clay needs a tumbler from a 115 or 116. Curt, however, just wanted a side-cut tumbler to play with. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Now you can't get R107 Tumblers
I went to the dealer to order a fresh tumbler for Froggy. We spent a half hour on the EPC trying to figure out what the heck to do . The datac ard does not show for the car, and the parts are not available anymore. There were five tumbler options and they all showed as being substituted to another part that is not available. The next step substituted to having to replace the whole lock system, but that was not able to get ordered and said to purchase a replacement steering column. That is not available. Parts guy plans to call Germany or maybe a Unicorn breeder so he can understand how to resolve the issue. I am thinking the early R107 and the W116 share an ignition lock. If there are problems getting replacement parts, all the 1970's cars are ticking time bombs. Anybody think a lock smith can rebuild the original? clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Now you can't get R107 Tumblers
I've had a locksmith successfully rekey a 107 door tumbler, so I don't see why not. On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 5:36 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: I went to the dealer to order a fresh tumbler for Froggy. We spent a half hour on the EPC trying to figure out what the heck to do . The datac ard does not show for the car, and the parts are not available anymore. There were five tumbler options and they all showed as being substituted to another part that is not available. The next step substituted to having to replace the whole lock system, but that was not able to get ordered and said to purchase a replacement steering column. That is not available. Parts guy plans to call Germany or maybe a Unicorn breeder so he can understand how to resolve the issue. I am thinking the early R107 and the W116 share an ignition lock. If there are problems getting replacement parts, all the 1970's cars are ticking time bombs. Anybody think a lock smith can rebuild the original? clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Now you can't get R107 Tumblers
clay wrote: Parts guy plans to call Germany... Maybe try the classic center somewhere down in SoCal. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Yes, Tom Hanson at The Classic Center... Max Dillon, Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Now you can't get R107 Tumblers
Would this be it? http://www.ecklersmbzparts.com/mercedes-ignition-lock-tumbler-with-key.html http://www.mbpartsworld.com/p/__/TUMBLER/7417181/1164620279.html And yes they are getting hard to find and the problem with S/H is that they may be worn out as well. When they do come up they cost a bit http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Mercedes-r107-w116-Ignition-Lock-Tumbler-with-Key-NEW-Genuine-starting-starter-/271260832262?nma=truesi=38VSurcuV%252B1lVoD1H6xSt%252FzPueM%253Dorig_cvip=truert=nc_trksid=p2047675.l2557 Not sure if a locksmith can rebuild it, as new bits would be required to do a proper job. Perhaps talk to the classic centre? Hendrik who has changed a few tumblers On 27/04/14 08:06, clay wrote: I went to the dealer to order a fresh tumbler for Froggy. We spent a half hour on the EPC trying to figure out what the heck to do . The datac ard does not show for the car, and the parts are not available anymore. There were five tumbler options and they all showed as being substituted to another part that is not available. The next step substituted to having to replace the whole lock system, but that was not able to get ordered and said to purchase a replacement steering column. That is not available. Parts guy plans to call Germany or maybe a Unicorn breeder so he can understand how to resolve the issue. I am thinking the early R107 and the W116 share an ignition lock. If there are problems getting replacement parts, all the 1970's cars are ticking time bombs. Anybody think a lock smith can rebuild the original? clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Now you can't get R107 Tumblers
Not sure if a locksmith can rebuild it, as new bits would be required to do a proper job. I wonder what would happen if you ground down the ends of the wafers so that the key doesn't have to fit as precisely. You'd lose some theftproofing, but as long as the wafers were good enough to not allow you to turn it with a screwdriver without putting a key in, should be good enough for an old R107 or my old W116. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
