Re: [MBZ] OT: Daimler switching out of developing natural gas powered trucks
Yes, I have noticed! You have been blowing cold air on me all summer! I am still waiting for albore's global warming. 'Stead if that, we get cold summers and cold winters. Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote on 10/30/19 2:18 PM: On 30/10/2019 1:55 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: All it takes is ONE cold or snowy day in a non-winter month ANYWHERE in the globe to disprove that the global warming theory. Uh, did you happen to note the weather we had here on or about the 10th of October? There was so much wet snow that it brought down transmission towers and wooden hydro poles over a huge area. Manitoba Hydro is still working on repairs. We rarely get much snow before November. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Daimler switching out of developing natural gas powered trucks
Well, it is false because it is based on falsified data, incorrect algorithms, and their own predictions have already been proven false by time. Oh, and that is saying nothing about the lack of scientific method. Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote on 10/30/19 1:55 PM: All it takes is ONE cold or snowy day in a non-winter month ANYWHERE in the globe to disprove that the global warming theory. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Daimler switching out of developing natural gas powered trucks
On 30/10/2019 1:55 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: All it takes is ONE cold or snowy day in a non-winter month ANYWHERE in the globe to disprove that the global warming theory. Uh, did you happen to note the weather we had here on or about the 10th of October? There was so much wet snow that it brought down transmission towers and wooden hydro poles over a huge area. Manitoba Hydro is still working on repairs. We rarely get much snow before November. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Daimler switching out of developing natural gas powered trucks
All it takes is ONE cold or snowy day in a non-winter month ANYWHERE in the globe to disprove that the global warming theory. On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 2:49 PM Clay Monroe via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > The Climate Change Astrophysicist teaching the old folks class (he looks > and sounds like Jim Jones) is sure the world is warming and showed the NOAA > prediction for this year. Warm and wet, as it is neither a Nino or Nina > year. He is sure there will be polar bears in Prius, powered with PV > panels by the time his daughter is headed to college. That will be … > 2025. Dude is an idiot basing all his graphs on the end of the Little Ice > Age and going from there. Of course the world is getting warmer after > that. I want to stand up and scream at him “Correlation is not Causation!" > > clay > > > > On Oct 29, 2019, at 12:35 PM, G Mann via Mercedes > wrote: > > > > On the other hand, I just watched a weather forecast that predicts the > > winter will be one of the coldest on record... > > How do EV's battery packs preform in severe cold again? ... h... > > What happens when the power lines break from ice accumulation? h > > Just a thought Think I'll keep motoring along in my "million mile > > Mercedes"... > > > > On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 1:07 PM Clay Monroe via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > >> Angry children are the ones who will be purchasing the utopian marketing > >> machines. They are going to save the world by driving all over with > their > >> off set carbons. > >> > >> clay > >> > >>> On Oct 28, 2019, at 1:34 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes < > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> Maybe they listened to a Scandinavian child who always looks like she > is > >> in pain because the world is going to end before she can grow up. > >>> > >>> Randy > >> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > >> > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Daimler switching out of developing natural gas powered trucks
The Climate Change Astrophysicist teaching the old folks class (he looks and sounds like Jim Jones) is sure the world is warming and showed the NOAA prediction for this year. Warm and wet, as it is neither a Nino or Nina year. He is sure there will be polar bears in Prius, powered with PV panels by the time his daughter is headed to college. That will be … 2025. Dude is an idiot basing all his graphs on the end of the Little Ice Age and going from there. Of course the world is getting warmer after that. I want to stand up and scream at him “Correlation is not Causation!" clay > On Oct 29, 2019, at 12:35 PM, G Mann via Mercedes > wrote: > > On the other hand, I just watched a weather forecast that predicts the > winter will be one of the coldest on record... > How do EV's battery packs preform in severe cold again? ... h... > What happens when the power lines break from ice accumulation? h > Just a thought Think I'll keep motoring along in my "million mile > Mercedes"... > > On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 1:07 PM Clay Monroe via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> Angry children are the ones who will be purchasing the utopian marketing >> machines. They are going to save the world by driving all over with their >> off set carbons. >> >> clay >> >>> On Oct 28, 2019, at 1:34 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>> >>> Maybe they listened to a Scandinavian child who always looks like she is >> in pain because the world is going to end before she can grow up. >>> >>> Randy >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Daimler switching out of developing natural gas powered trucks
Exactly, and a truck (like a rocket in some ways) needs to drag its fuel around, unless it stops frequently, which eats into the profitability of the operation. Diesel is compact and not particularly heavy to contain and a small fraction of the payload weight, hydrogen and batteries and CNG tanks, not so much. If those hurdles can be overcome, then operators will buy alternative-fueled vehicles, unless compelled to do so by government fiat/diktat or subsidies (taxpayer-funded or consumer-funded, of course). --FT On 10/30/19 12:06 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: Rockets need so much fuel because they need to be able to lift the weight of the fuel. It's a self-compounding problem. *Just* lifing the payload is a tiny fraction of the fuel energy needed. Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes writes: I recall in rocket design the big factor was energy density of fuel by mass and volume, both of which dictate how much the rocket has to carry and contain, which affects various performance parameters. I’m sure the same factors are at play in OTR vehicle design. Seems like liquid hydrocarbons fuels have the highest energy density by volume (and mass?), which makes them most attractive. NG, H, electrons, maybe not so much. I guess they all have some smart engineers and computers that can run the numbers, and bean counters and marketing whizzes to address those issues. A coupla years ago the port here subsidized truck owners to buy newer-engined trucks to lower emissions from the container haulers. I think it worked out fairly well. --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Daimler switching out of developing natural gas powered trucks
Rockets need so much fuel because they need to be able to lift the weight of the fuel. It's a self-compounding problem. *Just* lifing the payload is a tiny fraction of the fuel energy needed. Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes writes: > I recall in rocket design the big factor was energy density of fuel by mass > and volume, both of which dictate how much the rocket has to carry and > contain, which affects various performance parameters. I’m sure the same > factors are at play in OTR vehicle design. Seems like liquid hydrocarbons > fuels have the highest energy density by volume (and mass?), which makes them > most attractive. NG, H, electrons, maybe not so much. > > I guess they all have some smart engineers and computers that can run the > numbers, and bean counters and marketing whizzes to address those issues. > > A coupla years ago the port here subsidized truck owners to buy newer-engined > trucks to lower emissions from the container haulers. I think it worked out > fairly well. > > --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Daimler switching out of developing natural gas powered trucks
I recall in rocket design the big factor was energy density of fuel by mass and volume, both of which dictate how much the rocket has to carry and contain, which affects various performance parameters. I’m sure the same factors are at play in OTR vehicle design. Seems like liquid hydrocarbons fuels have the highest energy density by volume (and mass?), which makes them most attractive. NG, H, electrons, maybe not so much. I guess they all have some smart engineers and computers that can run the numbers, and bean counters and marketing whizzes to address those issues. A coupla years ago the port here subsidized truck owners to buy newer-engined trucks to lower emissions from the container haulers. I think it worked out fairly well. --FT Sent from iPhone > On Oct 28, 2019, at 2:17 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes > wrote: > > AUTOS > Daimler drops gas-powered truck to build CO2-neutral fleet > Published: Monday, October 28, 2019 > > Daimler AG is quitting development of natural gas-powered trucks to pool > resources for electric and hydrogen rigs that can advance its goal of > offering a CO2-neutral fleet in its main markets by 2039. > > The world's biggest truckmaker is already working on battery-electric > versions of a range of commercial vehicles, including the heavy-duty > Mercedes-Benz eActros that's set to start production in 2022. Tesla Inc. > last week said it's planning to start output of its electric semi in > limited numbers next year. > > "Natural gas engines are fossil fuel-based and therefore a transition > technology on the road to a CO2-neutral transport," Daimler truck chief > Martin Daum said Friday in a prepared speech at a conference in Berlin. It > makes little sense to "spend a lot of money on something that does not have > a long-term future, when we can use that money much better elsewhere." > > Hydrogen-powered vehicles should be available by the end of the next > decade, Daimler said. > > The truck industry, just like automakers, is under pressure to clean up its > vehicles, leaving manufacturers struggling with high costs. Still, there's > little choice but to meet increasingly stringent regulation and a global > push to address climate change. > > "Especially when it comes to climate change, we've seen that things can't > continue like this, and we as the auto industry are part of society and > because of that have the obligation to do something about it," Porsche > Chief Executive Officer Oliver Blume said Friday at a conference in > Stuttgart. > > For truckmakers, paying for the transformation is getting harder with a > downturn in the truck cycle taking hold as the global economy softens. > That's offsetting a boom in transportation demand fueled by online shopping. > > Daimler's sprawling commercial vehicle operations, including the > Freightliner nameplate in North America, Mercedes-Benz trucks in Europe and > Fuso in Asia, face long-standing criticism for trailing profitability at > competitors like Volvo Group. Daimler this year turned the division into a > largely independent legal entity to make it more agile and nimble, as part > of a broader corporate overhaul. > > Daum has intensified efforts to cut costs to channel funds toward new > technologies. The unit started series production of an electric city bus > last year and its Fuso brand just showed a fuel-cell prototype vehicle at > the Tokyo Motor Show in Japan. > > "Truly CO2-neutral transport only works with battery-electric or > hydrogen-based drive," Daum said. "This can only be achieved if competitive > conditions for CO2-neutral transport are created for our customers in terms > of costs and infrastructure." *— Christoph Rauwald and Oliver Sachgau, > Bloomberg* > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Daimler switching out of developing natural gas powered trucks
The local tv station in WI said in Mid Oct that Sept had be record wet and cooler than normal. A few days later the angry commie greenie weenies released a world map showing the whole planet was "hotter than normal" in Sept, including WI. Just another proof that they use fake "data" like East Anglia U, NOAA et al. I'll keep my aluminum head and iron head MB Dissels, thank you! I have less "footprint" than the greenie weenies. conserve [verbkuhn-surv;nounkon-surv, kuhn-surv] verb (used with object),con·served,con·serv·ing. to prevent injury, decay, waste, or loss of:Conserve your strength for the race. to use or manage (natural resources) wisely; preserve; save:Conserve the woodlands. G Mann via Mercedes wrote on 10/29/19 3:35 PM: On the other hand, I just watched a weather forecast that predicts the winter will be one of the coldest on record... How do EV's battery packs preform in severe cold again? ... h... What happens when the power lines break from ice accumulation? h Just a thought Think I'll keep motoring along in my "million mile Mercedes"... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Daimler switching out of developing natural gas powered trucks
I cleaned the carb in my little generator the other day. Tonight I finally fired it up, no parts required repair although I did somehow screw up the exhaust gasket, it runs but its loud. Surprisingly parts are available even for a Chinese made 2-stroke generator... Firewood is almost all stacked, pretty much ready for winter. -Curt On Tuesday, October 29, 2019, 4:36:07 PM EDT, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: On the other hand, I just watched a weather forecast that predicts the winter will be one of the coldest on record... How do EV's battery packs preform in severe cold again? ... h... What happens when the power lines break from ice accumulation? h Just a thought Think I'll keep motoring along in my "million mile Mercedes"... On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 1:07 PM Clay Monroe via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Angry children are the ones who will be purchasing the utopian marketing > machines. They are going to save the world by driving all over with their > off set carbons. > > clay > > > On Oct 28, 2019, at 1:34 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > Maybe they listened to a Scandinavian child who always looks like she is > in pain because the world is going to end before she can grow up. > > > > Randy > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Daimler switching out of developing natural gas powered trucks
Nissan Leaf doesn't have active battery cooling, but I think even Nissan has electric heaters to keep the battery above 14°F. You don't want to freeze the battery, and battery lifespan suffers in heat. It's bad to keep the battery at 100% charge for extended periods, and it's very very bad to let it get super cold, but a lot of cars won't let you tell it to stop charging at 80% so you can leave them plugged in to run the battery heaters. Mitch. > On October 29, 2019 at 4:35 PM G Mann via Mercedes > wrote: > > > On the other hand, I just watched a weather forecast that predicts the > winter will be one of the coldest on record... > How do EV's battery packs preform in severe cold again? ... h... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Daimler switching out of developing natural gas powered trucks
On the other hand, I just watched a weather forecast that predicts the winter will be one of the coldest on record... How do EV's battery packs preform in severe cold again? ... h... What happens when the power lines break from ice accumulation? h Just a thought Think I'll keep motoring along in my "million mile Mercedes"... On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 1:07 PM Clay Monroe via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Angry children are the ones who will be purchasing the utopian marketing > machines. They are going to save the world by driving all over with their > off set carbons. > > clay > > > On Oct 28, 2019, at 1:34 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > Maybe they listened to a Scandinavian child who always looks like she is > in pain because the world is going to end before she can grow up. > > > > Randy > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Daimler switching out of developing natural gas powered trucks
Angry children are the ones who will be purchasing the utopian marketing machines. They are going to save the world by driving all over with their off set carbons. clay > On Oct 28, 2019, at 1:34 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes > wrote: > > Maybe they listened to a Scandinavian child who always looks like she is in > pain because the world is going to end before she can grow up. > > Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Daimler switching out of developing natural gas powered trucks
I'm convinced this is a head-feint to throw off the competition, maybe they've got a skunk-works going somewhere that will whipsaw the legs right out from under most of the rest of the world's auto makers. - Max Charleston SC On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 4:40 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > What a bunch of misguided, misplaced effort. > > Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote on 10/28/19 1:17 PM: > > AUTOS > > Daimler drops gas-powered truck to build CO2-neutral fleet > > Published: Monday, October 28, 2019 > > > > Daimler AG is quitting development of natural gas-powered trucks to pool > > resources for electric and hydrogen rigs that can advance its goal of > > offering a CO2-neutral fleet in its main markets by 2039. > > > > The world's biggest truckmaker is already working on battery-electric > > versions of a range of commercial vehicles, including the heavy-duty > > Mercedes-Benz eActros that's set to start production in 2022. Tesla Inc. > > last week said it's planning to start output of its electric semi in > > limited numbers next year. > > > > "Natural gas engines are fossil fuel-based and therefore a transition > > technology on the road to a CO2-neutral transport," Daimler truck chief > > Martin Daum said Friday in a prepared speech at a conference in Berlin. > It > > makes little sense to "spend a lot of money on something that does not > have > > a long-term future, when we can use that money much better elsewhere." > > > > Hydrogen-powered vehicles should be available by the end of the next > > decade, Daimler said. > > > > The truck industry, just like automakers, is under pressure to clean up > its > > vehicles, leaving manufacturers struggling with high costs. Still, > there's > > little choice but to meet increasingly stringent regulation and a global > > push to address climate change. > > > > "Especially when it comes to climate change, we've seen that things can't > > continue like this, and we as the auto industry are part of society and > > because of that have the obligation to do something about it," Porsche > > Chief Executive Officer Oliver Blume said Friday at a conference in > > Stuttgart. > > > > For truckmakers, paying for the transformation is getting harder with a > > downturn in the truck cycle taking hold as the global economy softens. > > That's offsetting a boom in transportation demand fueled by online > shopping. > > > > Daimler's sprawling commercial vehicle operations, including the > > Freightliner nameplate in North America, Mercedes-Benz trucks in Europe > and > > Fuso in Asia, face long-standing criticism for trailing profitability at > > competitors like Volvo Group. Daimler this year turned the division into > a > > largely independent legal entity to make it more agile and nimble, as > part > > of a broader corporate overhaul. > > > > Daum has intensified efforts to cut costs to channel funds toward new > > technologies. The unit started series production of an electric city bus > > last year and its Fuso brand just showed a fuel-cell prototype vehicle at > > the Tokyo Motor Show in Japan. > > > > "Truly CO2-neutral transport only works with battery-electric or > > hydrogen-based drive," Daum said. "This can only be achieved if > competitive > > conditions for CO2-neutral transport are created for our customers in > terms > > of costs and infrastructure." *— Christoph Rauwald and Oliver Sachgau, > > Bloomberg* > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Maybe they listened to a Scandinavian child who always looks like she is in pain because the world is going to end before she can grow up. Randy On 28/10/2019 4:14 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: If only they'd listen to a world-class expert like you. They might even become profitable. On Mon, Oct 28, 2019, 4:40 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: What a bunch of misguided, misplaced effort. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Daimler switching out of developing natural gas powered trucks
If only they'd listen to a world-class expert like you. They might even become profitable. On Mon, Oct 28, 2019, 4:40 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > What a bunch of misguided, misplaced effort. > > Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote on 10/28/19 1:17 PM: > > AUTOS > > Daimler drops gas-powered truck to build CO2-neutral fleet > > Published: Monday, October 28, 2019 > > > > Daimler AG is quitting development of natural gas-powered trucks to pool > > resources for electric and hydrogen rigs that can advance its goal of > > offering a CO2-neutral fleet in its main markets by 2039. > > > > The world's biggest truckmaker is already working on battery-electric > > versions of a range of commercial vehicles, including the heavy-duty > > Mercedes-Benz eActros that's set to start production in 2022. Tesla Inc. > > last week said it's planning to start output of its electric semi in > > limited numbers next year. > > > > "Natural gas engines are fossil fuel-based and therefore a transition > > technology on the road to a CO2-neutral transport," Daimler truck chief > > Martin Daum said Friday in a prepared speech at a conference in Berlin. > It > > makes little sense to "spend a lot of money on something that does not > have > > a long-term future, when we can use that money much better elsewhere." > > > > Hydrogen-powered vehicles should be available by the end of the next > > decade, Daimler said. > > > > The truck industry, just like automakers, is under pressure to clean up > its > > vehicles, leaving manufacturers struggling with high costs. Still, > there's > > little choice but to meet increasingly stringent regulation and a global > > push to address climate change. > > > > "Especially when it comes to climate change, we've seen that things can't > > continue like this, and we as the auto industry are part of society and > > because of that have the obligation to do something about it," Porsche > > Chief Executive Officer Oliver Blume said Friday at a conference in > > Stuttgart. > > > > For truckmakers, paying for the transformation is getting harder with a > > downturn in the truck cycle taking hold as the global economy softens. > > That's offsetting a boom in transportation demand fueled by online > shopping. > > > > Daimler's sprawling commercial vehicle operations, including the > > Freightliner nameplate in North America, Mercedes-Benz trucks in Europe > and > > Fuso in Asia, face long-standing criticism for trailing profitability at > > competitors like Volvo Group. Daimler this year turned the division into > a > > largely independent legal entity to make it more agile and nimble, as > part > > of a broader corporate overhaul. > > > > Daum has intensified efforts to cut costs to channel funds toward new > > technologies. The unit started series production of an electric city bus > > last year and its Fuso brand just showed a fuel-cell prototype vehicle at > > the Tokyo Motor Show in Japan. > > > > "Truly CO2-neutral transport only works with battery-electric or > > hydrogen-based drive," Daum said. "This can only be achieved if > competitive > > conditions for CO2-neutral transport are created for our customers in > terms > > of costs and infrastructure." *— Christoph Rauwald and Oliver Sachgau, > > Bloomberg* > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Daimler switching out of developing natural gas powered trucks
What a bunch of misguided, misplaced effort. Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote on 10/28/19 1:17 PM: AUTOS Daimler drops gas-powered truck to build CO2-neutral fleet Published: Monday, October 28, 2019 Daimler AG is quitting development of natural gas-powered trucks to pool resources for electric and hydrogen rigs that can advance its goal of offering a CO2-neutral fleet in its main markets by 2039. The world's biggest truckmaker is already working on battery-electric versions of a range of commercial vehicles, including the heavy-duty Mercedes-Benz eActros that's set to start production in 2022. Tesla Inc. last week said it's planning to start output of its electric semi in limited numbers next year. "Natural gas engines are fossil fuel-based and therefore a transition technology on the road to a CO2-neutral transport," Daimler truck chief Martin Daum said Friday in a prepared speech at a conference in Berlin. It makes little sense to "spend a lot of money on something that does not have a long-term future, when we can use that money much better elsewhere." Hydrogen-powered vehicles should be available by the end of the next decade, Daimler said. The truck industry, just like automakers, is under pressure to clean up its vehicles, leaving manufacturers struggling with high costs. Still, there's little choice but to meet increasingly stringent regulation and a global push to address climate change. "Especially when it comes to climate change, we've seen that things can't continue like this, and we as the auto industry are part of society and because of that have the obligation to do something about it," Porsche Chief Executive Officer Oliver Blume said Friday at a conference in Stuttgart. For truckmakers, paying for the transformation is getting harder with a downturn in the truck cycle taking hold as the global economy softens. That's offsetting a boom in transportation demand fueled by online shopping. Daimler's sprawling commercial vehicle operations, including the Freightliner nameplate in North America, Mercedes-Benz trucks in Europe and Fuso in Asia, face long-standing criticism for trailing profitability at competitors like Volvo Group. Daimler this year turned the division into a largely independent legal entity to make it more agile and nimble, as part of a broader corporate overhaul. Daum has intensified efforts to cut costs to channel funds toward new technologies. The unit started series production of an electric city bus last year and its Fuso brand just showed a fuel-cell prototype vehicle at the Tokyo Motor Show in Japan. "Truly CO2-neutral transport only works with battery-electric or hydrogen-based drive," Daum said. "This can only be achieved if competitive conditions for CO2-neutral transport are created for our customers in terms of costs and infrastructure." *— Christoph Rauwald and Oliver Sachgau, Bloomberg* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: Daimler switching out of developing natural gas powered trucks
AUTOS Daimler drops gas-powered truck to build CO2-neutral fleet Published: Monday, October 28, 2019 Daimler AG is quitting development of natural gas-powered trucks to pool resources for electric and hydrogen rigs that can advance its goal of offering a CO2-neutral fleet in its main markets by 2039. The world's biggest truckmaker is already working on battery-electric versions of a range of commercial vehicles, including the heavy-duty Mercedes-Benz eActros that's set to start production in 2022. Tesla Inc. last week said it's planning to start output of its electric semi in limited numbers next year. "Natural gas engines are fossil fuel-based and therefore a transition technology on the road to a CO2-neutral transport," Daimler truck chief Martin Daum said Friday in a prepared speech at a conference in Berlin. It makes little sense to "spend a lot of money on something that does not have a long-term future, when we can use that money much better elsewhere." Hydrogen-powered vehicles should be available by the end of the next decade, Daimler said. The truck industry, just like automakers, is under pressure to clean up its vehicles, leaving manufacturers struggling with high costs. Still, there's little choice but to meet increasingly stringent regulation and a global push to address climate change. "Especially when it comes to climate change, we've seen that things can't continue like this, and we as the auto industry are part of society and because of that have the obligation to do something about it," Porsche Chief Executive Officer Oliver Blume said Friday at a conference in Stuttgart. For truckmakers, paying for the transformation is getting harder with a downturn in the truck cycle taking hold as the global economy softens. That's offsetting a boom in transportation demand fueled by online shopping. Daimler's sprawling commercial vehicle operations, including the Freightliner nameplate in North America, Mercedes-Benz trucks in Europe and Fuso in Asia, face long-standing criticism for trailing profitability at competitors like Volvo Group. Daimler this year turned the division into a largely independent legal entity to make it more agile and nimble, as part of a broader corporate overhaul. Daum has intensified efforts to cut costs to channel funds toward new technologies. The unit started series production of an electric city bus last year and its Fuso brand just showed a fuel-cell prototype vehicle at the Tokyo Motor Show in Japan. "Truly CO2-neutral transport only works with battery-electric or hydrogen-based drive," Daum said. "This can only be achieved if competitive conditions for CO2-neutral transport are created for our customers in terms of costs and infrastructure." *— Christoph Rauwald and Oliver Sachgau, Bloomberg* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
