Re: [MBZ] OT: New Subaru diesel
would be nice if they could get it clean enough for California, and then we can get it in the US,... cheers! e Alex Chamberlain wrote: First in-depth story I've seen about Subaru's first-in-the-world boxer diesel engine. Same horsepower rating as their normally aspirated gasoline four, but nearly twice the torque. Nice. http://www.edmunds.com/apps/vdpcontainers/do/vdp/articleId=124553/pageNumber=1 Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: New Subaru diesel
Was that a joke? 60.5 mpg? Brian On Feb 12, 2008 6:16 PM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Fuel economy? Available in the USA when? The boxer diesel produces 148 horsepower at 3,600 rpm and 258 pound-feet of torque at just 1,800 rpm. The engine is capable of 60.5 mpg. As far as availability, sounds like not anytime soon. They won't bring it in unless they can sell it in all 50 states and it does not meet California emissions. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: New Subaru diesel
Zoltan Finks wrote: Was that a joke? 60.5 mpg? No, but it's hard to ride in an engine, and a car uses more fuel. ;-) Seriously, I suspect that mpg figure is for a car that is small and 2wd, not anything Subaru has sold in the USA in the last ten years. If a 320 CDI can get 40+ on the hwy, a little commuter car should do 60 easy. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: New Subaru diesel
Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That's no joke. My Audi almost gets that! The gulf in fuel economy between North America and the rest of the world is MASSIVE. After seeing what's actually available out there, and seeing real world results, you really have to wonder why there's so much foot dragging here with regards to mileage! It makes zero sense! (so it must be a gov't/industry policy) I think it's more about what the north american market wants...though with recent fuel prices pretty consistently over $3.00 a gallon that is starting to change... -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: New Subaru diesel
That's no joke. My Audi almost gets that! The gulf in fuel economy between North America and the rest of the world is MASSIVE. After seeing what's actually available out there, and seeing real world results, you really have to wonder why there's so much foot dragging here with regards to mileage! It makes zero sense! (so it must be a gov't/industry policy) Jeff Zedic ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: New Subaru diesel
Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Zoltan Finks wrote: Was that a joke? 60.5 mpg? No, but it's hard to ride in an engine, and a car uses more fuel. ;-) Seriously, I suspect that mpg figure is for a car that is small and 2wd, not anything Subaru has sold in the USA in the last ten ye ars. If a 320 CDI can get 40+ on the hwy, a little commuter car should do 60 easy. Still, hard o believe an engine with that kind of efficiency is being kept out by the ignorant bureaucrats on the CARB. Even if it's a little high on some percentage of something, it's only burning 1/4 the fuel of an SUV Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: New Subaru diesel
Maybe we should give CA to mexico so the rest of us can have Dissels! If CA was in mexico, they could have Dissels too, cause mexico doesn't care about pollution! At 05:44 AM 2/13/2008, you wrote: As far as availability, sounds like not anytime soon. They won't bring it in unless they can sell it in all 50 states and it does not meet California emissions. Allan -- Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: New Subaru diesel
Boy, don't I wish that I could believe the market is controlled by what the consumer wants. Unfortunately, I feel - no evidence - just feel, that the consumer wants what he/she is aware of/presented with. The radio was a fantastic thing until BW television made an appearance. Black and White television was absolutely wonderful until Color became available. VHS tapes were all the rage until DVDs became the consumer norm. Now there is Blu Ray (or something like that) HD etc. Albeit (did I do it right?)LOL full of commercials broadcast television served many generations now in the near future if you don't have digital you cannot even watch televiosn. Dave H... -- From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 9:54 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: New Subaru diesel Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That's no joke. My Audi almost gets that! The gulf in fuel economy between North America and the rest of the world is MASSIVE. After seeing what's actually available out there, and seeing real world results, you really have to wonder why there's so much foot dragging here with regards to mileage! It makes zero sense! (so it must be a gov't/industry policy) I think it's more about what the north american market wants...though with recent fuel prices pretty consistently over $3.00 a gallon that is starting to change... -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: New Subaru diesel
I think it's more of a chicken and egg sort of thing. I don't think people choose that they want a big inefficient vehicle, its feature and capabilities are marketed to their insecurities and they decide they need it to keep up with everyone else. That's not human nature, reallythat's manipulation If you have a choice between a range of vehicles, none of which is actually getting the sort of economy that they are capable of, you learn quickly that fuel economy is NOT an issue. It is! It seems that it's only when you hit people where it hurts, in the wallet, that they wake up from their wasteful stupor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: New Subaru diesel
That's no joke. My Audi almost gets that! The gulf in fuel economy between North America and the rest of the world is MASSIVE. After seeing what's actually available out there, and seeing real world results, you really have to wonder why there's so much foot dragging here with regards to mileage! It makes zero sense! (so it must be a gov't/industry policy) Jeff Zedic If cars in the USA got better fuel mileage, there would be less reason for fuel. If they were predominantly diesel, it would be easy(er) to feed them with bio-diesel. But then there would be no reason to got to war! Where would we be then? Ooops. That's getting into politics. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: New Subaru diesel
andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Fuel economy? Available in the USA when? The boxer diesel produces 148 horsepower at 3,600 rpm and 258 pound-feet of torque at just 1,800 rpm. The engine is capable of 60.5 mpg. As far as availability, sounds like not anytime soon. They won't bring it in unless they can sell it in all 50 states and it does not meet California emissions. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: New Subaru diesel
First in-depth story I've seen about Subaru's first-in-the-world boxer diesel engine. Same horsepower rating as their normally aspirated gasoline four, but nearly twice the torque. Nice. http://www.edmunds.com/apps/vdpcontainers/do/vdp/articleId=124553/pageNumber=1 Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: New Subaru diesel
Fuel economy? Available in the USA when? On Feb 12, 2008 4:41 PM, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First in-depth story I've seen about Subaru's first-in-the-world boxer diesel engine. Same horsepower rating as their normally aspirated gasoline four, but nearly twice the torque. Nice. http://www.edmunds.com/apps/vdpcontainers/do/vdp/articleId=124553/pageNumber=1 Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
