Re: [MBZ] OT: all inclusive politics
Allan Streib wrote: president in January 2009. There are benefits to a two party system, ...Utopias don't exist. Would you rather have Hillary or [Romney | McCain | Huckabee]. Because it WILL be one of them in January. I really couldn't care less which of those socialists is POTUS next. And that is why, if the two arms of the current one party system give me choices from that list, I won't be voting for that system. If I wanted to choose from that list I'd vote Billary back in office, because they would enjoy far less Congressional support than most. I've only voted for one republicrat party presidential candidate in my life, and I chose the greatest of all evils. It really didn't matter, my state's vote went to AlGoreJr, but I still hate myself now for having cast a vote for a president who has done more than any single man since FDR to expand our goverment outside of its Constitutional restraints, and for the man who has done more than any man in our nation's history to destroy the Bill of Rights. If National Socialism is what we can expect from the so-called Republican Party, I fail to see how Hillary's brand of Marxism could be any worse. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: all inclusive politics
LarryT wrote: The others running are either Dems or RINOs (republican in name only) who we cannot count on to stand up for the constitution our forefathers fought and died for. You left Fred Thompson out of that group and left Ron Paul in it??? People like Fred and Huckster only look conservative when standing next to people like Ghouliani, McLame, and Mitt Rotten. There's only been one person in Congress who wants to enforce the Constitution, and everybody (expecially Faux News) seems to go out of their way to ignore the fact that he's running for President. I think yesterday in Florida was the first time that Ghouli beat Paul, but everybody was treating Rudy like the pre-ordained winner while ignoring Ron as unelectable. (they said Reagan was unelectable in January 1980 too) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: all inclusive politics
Ron Paul is the only candidate I'd even consider... -Curt Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 16:05:33 -0500 From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: all inclusive politics To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii LarryT wrote: The others running are either Dems or RINOs (republican in name only) who we cannot count on to stand up for the constitution our forefathers fought and died for. You left Fred Thompson out of that group and left Ron Paul in it??? People like Fred and Huckster only look conservative when standing next to people like Ghouliani, McLame, and Mitt Rotten. There's only been one person in Congress who wants to enforce the Constitution, and everybody (expecially Faux News) seems to go out of their way to ignore the fact that he's running for President. I think yesterday in Florida was the first time that Ghouli beat Paul, but everybody was treating Rudy like the pre-ordained winner while ignoring Ron as unelectable. (they said Reagan was unelectable in January 1980 too) - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: all inclusive politics
You;re right, I should not have left R Paul out. Given the alternatives I;ll probably vote for him - now that Thompson has dropped out. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: all inclusive politics LarryT wrote: The others running are either Dems or RINOs (republican in name only) who we cannot count on to stand up for the constitution our forefathers fought and died for. You left Fred Thompson out of that group and left Ron Paul in it??? People like Fred and Huckster only look conservative when standing next to people like Ghouliani, McLame, and Mitt Rotten. There's only been one person in Congress who wants to enforce the Constitution, and everybody (expecially Faux News) seems to go out of their way to ignore the fact that he's running for President. I think yesterday in Florida was the first time that Ghouli beat Paul, but everybody was treating Rudy like the pre-ordained winner while ignoring Ron as unelectable. (they said Reagan was unelectable in January 1980 too) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: all inclusive politics
I liked Thompson too, and of course the time to vote your conscience is in the primary. In the general election it will be important to vote for the candidate who best reflects your views AND has a chance to win. The reality is we have a two party system and there will be two candidates who have a realistic chance to win. They will each be a compromise for most people. But voting for your ideal third party candidate would just be handing the election to the person you LEAST want. Remember Ross Perot is the reason Bill Clinton got his first term. Allan On Jan 30, 2008, at 9:06 PM, LarryT wrote: You;re right, I should not have left R Paul out. Given the alternatives I;ll probably vote for him - now that Thompson has dropped out. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: all inclusive politics LarryT wrote: The others running are either Dems or RINOs (republican in name only) who we cannot count on to stand up for the constitution our forefathers fought and died for. You left Fred Thompson out of that group and left Ron Paul in it??? People like Fred and Huckster only look conservative when standing next to people like Ghouliani, McLame, and Mitt Rotten. There's only been one person in Congress who wants to enforce the Constitution, and everybody (expecially Faux News) seems to go out of their way to ignore the fact that he's running for President. I think yesterday in Florida was the first time that Ghouli beat Paul, but everybody was treating Rudy like the pre-ordained winner while ignoring Ron as unelectable. (they said Reagan was unelectable in January 1980 too) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: all inclusive politics
I would have loved to see Thompson as the Republican nominee. But then of course, I am a member of the Democratic Party establishment. On Jan 30, 2008 8:28 PM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I liked Thompson too, and of course the time to vote your conscience is in the primary. In the general election it will be important to vote for the candidate who best reflects your views AND has a chance to win. -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: all inclusive politics
Allan Streib wrote: a compromise for most people. But voting for your ideal third party candidate would just be handing the election to the person you LEAST want. Remember Ross Perot is the reason Bill Clinton got his first term. Voting for the lesser of two evils is a vote for evil. I did that once in my life (in 2000), and I'm ashamed of it. You seem proud of it. If you don't like the current one party system, why do you continue to vote for it, and insist that others follow suit? The only way to break the monopoly is to vote for something other than the status quo. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: all inclusive politics
Larry T. wrote: You;re right, I should not have left R Paul out. Given the alternatives I;ll probably vote for him - now that Thompson has dropped out. Fred Thompson was my candidate, too. But, switching from Fred to Ron doesn't make sense to me. The two of them could not be more different and still be in the same party. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: all inclusive politics
On Jan 30, 2008, at 10:06 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: Voting for the lesser of two evils is a vote for evil. I did that once in my life (in 2000), and I'm ashamed of it. You seem proud of it. If you don't like the current one party system, why do you continue to vote for it, and insist that others follow suit? The only way to break the monopoly is to vote for something other than the status quo. Pride is not the word I'd use, but I don't live in fantasy land. Either the Republican or Democratic nominee is going to be the president in January 2009. There are benefits to a two party system, and there are drawbacks. The benefits are that the majority party can probably get some things done. It forces people to say I want A more than B A drawback is that more often than not, the candidate is a compromise in some areas compared to what you might ideally want. Utopias don't exist. Would you rather have Hillary or [Romney | McCain | Huckabee]. Because it WILL be one of them in January. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: all inclusive politics
Hopefully (but somewhat doubtful) I will interject only *one* comment on this thread. I am an Obama delegate to the county convention here in Iowa. That being said -- I think McCain has the credentials, the experience (much of it really bad experiences in the 60s/70s), and the downright common sense to draw voters from both parties. Maybe even me. He doesn't say what he thinks is popular or what the RNC wants him to say. He says what he thinks, and that normally upsets everyone with a vested interest as an insider in the election process. If you 'publicans want to stay in the White House, then you'd better start supporting McCain. He has a legitimate shot at pulling it off. He'd be neck-to-neck with Obama in a campaign. He'd squash Hillary once the nation sees her claws come out. I pray on bended knee for Romney to be the nominee. Dukakis will send him sympathy cards. A Romney candidate is 100% guaranteed to put my party into the White House, with a landslide big enough to activate FEMA. I've been politically active for a very long time -- way back to the Vietnam era. This is one of the more exciting Presidential races I've observed, and I was around for Kennedy/Nixon. D. On Jan 30, 2008 9:18 PM, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Larry T. wrote: You;re right, I should not have left R Paul out. Given the alternatives I;ll probably vote for him - now that Thompson has dropped out. Fred Thompson was my candidate, too. But, switching from Fred to Ron doesn't make sense to me. The two of them could not be more different and still be in the same party. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: all inclusive politics
On Jan 30, 2008, at 10:40 PM, Wonko the Sane wrote: I pray on bended knee for Romney to be the nominee. Dukakis will send him sympathy cards. A Romney candidate is 100% guaranteed to put my party into the White House, with a landslide big enough to activate FEMA. That's pretty confident. History shows that strong conservative candidates win national elections. I'm not sure Romney is that. McCain definitely is NOT. If Shrillary wins in November, it will be because the republicans did not find anyone who was convincingly a strong conservative, Reagan being the best recent example of that. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yep. And I will stand by my statement. You guys don't *have* a strong conservative candidate -- unless God himself comes down and anoints/endorses Ron Paul. You have a rich businessman who, based on my observation of the debate this evening, doesn't even have the self-control to not show by facial expression that he wants to put out a hit contract (fulfilled by Mormon missionaries, no doubt) on McCain ... running against an old man with military experience during A TIme Of War. I am against 99% of what McCain stands for -- but he is a guy I can trust in the Oval Office. I shook Romney's hand (as an infiltrator) in Jefferson, Iowa, and looked into his eyes. I saw pure evil and ego and opportunism. McCain wants to be President because he loves his country. Romney wants to be President because it is the ultimate CEO position. Obama/X ticket will change the world, but McCain/Paul would perhaps get my vote. On Jan 30, 2008 9:52 PM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 30, 2008, at 10:40 PM, Wonko the Sane wrote: I pray on bended knee for Romney to be the nominee. Dukakis will send him sympathy cards. A Romney candidate is 100% guaranteed to put my party into the White House, with a landslide big enough to activate FEMA. That's pretty confident. History shows that strong conservative candidates win national elections. I'm not sure Romney is that. McCain definitely is NOT. If Shrillary wins in November, it will be because the republicans did not find anyone who was convincingly a strong conservative, Reagan being the best recent example of that. -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: all inclusive politics
Allen wrote: If Shrillary wins in November, it will be because the republicans did not find anyone who was convincingly a strong conservative, Reagan being the best recent example of that. Be careful labeling Reagan as conservative if you apply that to current conservatives. Reagan was a true conservative. That means the focus is on smaller government, judicial restraint, lower taxes, and less government intervention in our lives. Think Barry Goldwater. Reagan was not a conservative (as has been recently defined) on Social issues. Genuine conservatives believe in personal freedom and personal responsibility. Reagan was not a hard core champion of far right religious conservatives. If you are interested (and most of you are probably not), the best resource on Reagan is a book called Role of A lifetime By Lou Cannon Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Jan 30, 2008, at 11:48 PM, Donald Snook wrote: Reagan was a true conservative. That means the focus is on smaller government, judicial restraint, lower taxes, and less government intervention in our lives. That was what I meant by strong conservative. What you said, as well as a unflagging belief in the goodness of the country and optimism about what individuals living in freedom can accomplish. None of the current crop of likely republican nominees are all this. They each have some bits of it. Nobody has all of it in one package. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: all inclusive politics
That's why the party is so fractured. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 11:30 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: all inclusive politics On Jan 30, 2008, at 11:48 PM, Donald Snook wrote: Reagan was a true conservative. That means the focus is on smaller government, judicial restraint, lower taxes, and less government intervention in our lives. That was what I meant by strong conservative. What you said, as well as a unflagging belief in the goodness of the country and optimism about what individuals living in freedom can accomplish. None of the current crop of likely republican nominees are all this. They each have some bits of it. Nobody has all of it in one package. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.16/1250 - Release Date: 1/29/2008 10:20 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
