Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceiling Fan/Electrical Quandary

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I had this friend who had redone an old house in Houston, it was a big 
old Tudor sort of thing in the fancy neighborhood.  He and his wife were 
on a trip to Italy and  found this antique Italian chandelier that had 
about 4 tiers and all these little glass balls.  Weighed about 100lb, 
had it shipped back.  He had some guy put it up to replace some other 
chandelier that was in the house. So they had a Christmas party, lot of 
people in this big room, some were dancing and bouncing the floor.  
Right in the middle of this, BOOM the thing lets go and falls about 9 or 
10ft to the floor.  Definitely dampened the mood but managed to miss any 
guest. So he calls me (did not invite me to the party, alas...) to come 
over and consult.  I see that there was just a basic box attached to a 
joist, this thing just ripped it out.  It was an old plaster ceiling so 
I couldn't really open it up to do anything.  I ended up able to fit in 
another box and work some lag screws into the joist and some other bodge 
like an angle bracket above the box I could run some metal screws into, 
I tested it by hanging on it and it seemed sturdy enough.  We managed to 
hang the chandelier back and as far as I know it is still there. (I left 
town so have not been back there for about 8 years)


--FT

On 3/24/20 11:01 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Good idea, I’ll do that. Thanks!

-D


On Mar 24, 2020, at 10:54 AM, MG via Mercedes  wrote:

That's what I have used. Allows you to move the box from side to side and 
position it just where you need it. I also add a drywall screw into each claw 
to make sure it will stay. Suspenders and belt you know!

MG

Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

That may be my approach. The (ventilation) fan isn’t far from where the ceiling 
fan will go.
As for a junction box, I’m using one of the retrofit fan brace/junction box 
setups to hang the fan. They’re an expandable rod with spikes in each end that 
dig into the sides of the ceiling joists.The junction box clamps onto the rod 
to secure it. I’ve used them before to retrofit ceiling fans and they work 
quite well.
https://www.amazon.com/Hubbell-Raco-936-Ceiling-Fan-Support/dp/B000HEIYHA 

-D


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Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceiling Fan/Electrical Quandary

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

When we would visit the inlaws down here the guest room we slept in had/has a 
cheap ceiling fan. As the wife wants air moving when she’s sleeping, it would 
be on all night long, “ticking” as it rotated because it wasn’t balanced. Made 
me crazy. It’s still in that room today.

When we moved down here and became accustomed to ceiling fans being in many of 
the rooms, I insisted on Hunters as I knew they were top of the line. I have 
yet to be disappointed.

-D

> On Mar 24, 2020, at 11:08 AM, Jim Cathey  wrote:
> 
>> you can almost hang from it. I believe it’s rated for 70 lbs. with a 16” 
>> span.
> 
> The mounts I made for our fans you _can_ hang from.  I used wood over
> the tops of the joists.  The box will give first.
> 
>> I am a fan snob. Hunter only. Nothing worse than a cheap ceiling fan.
> 
> Ditto.  My mom bought an ornate ceiling fan when I was young, which looked
> great but buzzed.  Sucked for napping on the couch.  That fan finally started
> squeaking/scraping, I recommended to my brother (current owner) that he
> replace it with a Hunter.  I even gave him one I'd found at the thrift shop
> for $5.  (Not an Original.)
> 
> -- Jim
> 


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Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceiling Fan/Electrical Quandary

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> you can almost hang from it. I believe it’s rated for 70 lbs. with a 16” span.

The mounts I made for our fans you _can_ hang from.  I used wood over
the tops of the joists.  The box will give first.

> I am a fan snob. Hunter only. Nothing worse than a cheap ceiling fan.

Ditto.  My mom bought an ornate ceiling fan when I was young, which looked
great but buzzed.  Sucked for napping on the couch.  That fan finally started
squeaking/scraping, I recommended to my brother (current owner) that he
replace it with a Hunter.  I even gave him one I'd found at the thrift shop
for $5.  (Not an Original.)

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceiling Fan/Electrical Quandary

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Good idea, I’ll do that. Thanks!

-D

> On Mar 24, 2020, at 10:54 AM, MG via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> That's what I have used. Allows you to move the box from side to side and 
> position it just where you need it. I also add a drywall screw into each claw 
> to make sure it will stay. Suspenders and belt you know!
> 
> MG
> 
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> That may be my approach. The (ventilation) fan isn’t far from where the 
>> ceiling fan will go.
>> As for a junction box, I’m using one of the retrofit fan brace/junction box 
>> setups to hang the fan. They’re an expandable rod with spikes in each end 
>> that dig into the sides of the ceiling joists.The junction box clamps onto 
>> the rod to secure it. I’ve used them before to retrofit ceiling fans and 
>> they work quite well.
>> https://www.amazon.com/Hubbell-Raco-936-Ceiling-Fan-Support/dp/B000HEIYHA 
>> 
>> -D


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Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceiling Fan/Electrical Quandary

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Jim,

Trust me, when you run that thing out and bury the spikes into the joists, you 
can almost hang from it. I believe it’s rated for 70 lbs. with a 16” span.

I am a fan snob. Hunter only. Nothing worse than a cheap ceiling fan.

-D

> On Mar 24, 2020, at 10:51 AM, Jim Cathey  wrote:
> 
>> expandable rod with spikes in each end that dig into the sides of the 
>> ceiling joists.
> 
> That'd probably be good for anything but a Hunter Original, which weighs 50#.
> By far my favorite fan, ever.  We have two.
> 
> -- Jim
> 


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Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceiling Fan/Electrical Quandary

[MG via Mercedes]

That's what I have used. Allows you to move the 
box from side to side and position it just where 
you need it. I also add a drywall screw into each 
claw to make sure it will stay. Suspenders and 
belt you know!


MG

Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

That may be my approach. The (ventilation) fan isn’t far from where the ceiling 
fan will go.

As for a junction box, I’m using one of the retrofit fan brace/junction box 
setups to hang the fan. They’re an expandable rod with spikes in each end that 
dig into the sides of the ceiling joists.The junction box clamps onto the rod 
to secure it. I’ve used them before to retrofit ceiling fans and they work 
quite well.

https://www.amazon.com/Hubbell-Raco-936-Ceiling-Fan-Support/dp/B000HEIYHA 


-D



On Mar 24, 2020, at 9:42 AM, MG via Mercedes  wrote:

It may depend on what kind of can lights they are. Some are made to be 
installed from below through the hole that they will sit in. Maybe you will be 
lucky and find that that is what you have. Or grab the wire to the light or 
ventilation fan through the hole for the new fan and if there is enough slack 
you can run it into the box for the new fan and not even bother with touching 
the original box. You were planning to have a junction box on the new fan right 
or is it some new thing that doesn't require one? It's been a few years since I 
last installed a ceiling fan.

MG

Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

I didn’t elaborate on the ceiling fan, but it’s a Hunter that runs off a remote 
for everything - light and fan, dimmer and speeds. So I just need power to it 
all the time and nothing else. That’s why I was saying it could easily be on 
the light circuit as any time the lights are off the fan wouldn’t be in use 
anyway.
At this point it’s more of a matter to see if I can get to the junction boxes 
on either the ventilation fan or can lights. If I can get that resolved I can 
do the remote thing to control the ventilation fan. It’s only a foot or two 
away in the ceiling so there’s even the chance I could cut the hole for the fan 
support and get a hand up there to access the junction box. I can do the remote 
thingy from inside the fan enclosure.
Hmm.
-D

On Mar 22, 2020, at 3:32 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Yeah that’s probably more what it is. I have these fans that I put in, they’re switched but a little RF remote works the light and fan operation. I know there are similar things for lights. So you could leave the power on at the wall switch then turn the fan or light on with their respective remotes. 
There are those Alexa and google lights too but they need WiFi to make the lights work. 
--FT

Sent from iPhone


On Mar 22, 2020, at 11:55 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
wrote:

"Remote switch" is really a relay. "Alexa turn on the fan" there are a variety 
out there...
-Curt

 On Sunday, March 22, 2020, 11:50:07 AM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  wrote:  
Example? Not sure what you mean by “remote switches”.


-D


On Mar 22, 2020, at 11:47 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Get some remote switches, you can leave the power on constantly but switch the 
fixture

--FT
Sent from iPhone


On Mar 22, 2020, at 11:30 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
wrote:

So here’s the deal:

I want to install a ceiling fan on the ceiling of our master bathroom. The roof 
pitch over this part of the house makes it nearly impossible for me to access 
the area from above. On opposite sides of the bathroom are sink/counter areas 
with can lights in the ceiling. There is also a ventilation fan in the ceiling 
as well.

My initial thought was to connect up to one of the can lights (they are 
controlled together by the same switch) and just run the ceiling fan off of 
their circuit. It’s highly unlikely that the ceiling fan would be needed if the 
lights are off. But - since these are can lights the junction boxes are on the 
outsides of the fixtures, meaning I can’t get to the junction boxes from below 
because the fixtures were installed from the attic space. At least I believe 
that to be the case, that I couldn’t dismantle the fixtures from below and drop 
them out the opening. I can probably snake a wire across the ceiling from one 
of the can lights to the location where the fan would be installed.

The alternative is to utilize the same feed to the ventilation fan, but that 
means it would have to be on if the ceiling fan was to operate unless I rigged 
some means of turning off the ventilation fan locally, like with a chain/pull 
switch or something like that. The proximity to the ceiling fan would probably 
make this impossible. Not an ideal situation.

Worst case scenario would be to run a feeder through the attic space (I could 
possibly get a wire from parts of the attic I can access to the ceiling of the 
bathroom) all the way back to the distribution panel, but that’s all the way on 
the opposite side of the house.

I’m 

Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceiling Fan/Electrical Quandary

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> expandable rod with spikes in each end that dig into the sides of the ceiling 
> joists.

That'd probably be good for anything but a Hunter Original, which weighs 50#.
By far my favorite fan, ever.  We have two.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceiling Fan/Electrical Quandary

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

That may be my approach. The (ventilation) fan isn’t far from where the ceiling 
fan will go.

As for a junction box, I’m using one of the retrofit fan brace/junction box 
setups to hang the fan. They’re an expandable rod with spikes in each end that 
dig into the sides of the ceiling joists.The junction box clamps onto the rod 
to secure it. I’ve used them before to retrofit ceiling fans and they work 
quite well.

https://www.amazon.com/Hubbell-Raco-936-Ceiling-Fan-Support/dp/B000HEIYHA 


-D


> On Mar 24, 2020, at 9:42 AM, MG via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> It may depend on what kind of can lights they are. Some are made to be 
> installed from below through the hole that they will sit in. Maybe you will 
> be lucky and find that that is what you have. Or grab the wire to the light 
> or ventilation fan through the hole for the new fan and if there is enough 
> slack you can run it into the box for the new fan and not even bother with 
> touching the original box. You were planning to have a junction box on the 
> new fan right or is it some new thing that doesn't require one? It's been a 
> few years since I last installed a ceiling fan.
> 
> MG
> 
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> I didn’t elaborate on the ceiling fan, but it’s a Hunter that runs off a 
>> remote for everything - light and fan, dimmer and speeds. So I just need 
>> power to it all the time and nothing else. That’s why I was saying it could 
>> easily be on the light circuit as any time the lights are off the fan 
>> wouldn’t be in use anyway.
>> At this point it’s more of a matter to see if I can get to the junction 
>> boxes on either the ventilation fan or can lights. If I can get that 
>> resolved I can do the remote thing to control the ventilation fan. It’s only 
>> a foot or two away in the ceiling so there’s even the chance I could cut the 
>> hole for the fan support and get a hand up there to access the junction box. 
>> I can do the remote thingy from inside the fan enclosure.
>> Hmm.
>> -D
>>> On Mar 22, 2020, at 3:32 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yeah that’s probably more what it is. I have these fans that I put in, 
>>> they’re switched but a little RF remote works the light and fan operation. 
>>> I know there are similar things for lights. So you could leave the power on 
>>> at the wall switch then turn the fan or light on with their respective 
>>> remotes. 
>>> There are those Alexa and google lights too but they need WiFi to make the 
>>> lights work. 
>>> --FT
>>> Sent from iPhone
>>> 
 On Mar 22, 2020, at 11:55 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 "Remote switch" is really a relay. "Alexa turn on the fan" there are a 
 variety out there...
 -Curt
 
  On Sunday, March 22, 2020, 11:50:07 AM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
  wrote:  
 Example? Not sure what you mean by “remote switches”.
 
 -D
 
> On Mar 22, 2020, at 11:47 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Get some remote switches, you can leave the power on constantly but 
> switch the fixture
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
> 
>>> On Mar 22, 2020, at 11:30 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>> So here’s the deal:
>> 
>> I want to install a ceiling fan on the ceiling of our master bathroom. 
>> The roof pitch over this part of the house makes it nearly impossible 
>> for me to access the area from above. On opposite sides of the bathroom 
>> are sink/counter areas with can lights in the ceiling. There is also a 
>> ventilation fan in the ceiling as well.
>> 
>> My initial thought was to connect up to one of the can lights (they are 
>> controlled together by the same switch) and just run the ceiling fan off 
>> of their circuit. It’s highly unlikely that the ceiling fan would be 
>> needed if the lights are off. But - since these are can lights the 
>> junction boxes are on the outsides of the fixtures, meaning I can’t get 
>> to the junction boxes from below because the fixtures were installed 
>> from the attic space. At least I believe that to be the case, that I 
>> couldn’t dismantle the fixtures from below and drop them out the 
>> opening. I can probably snake a wire across the ceiling from one of the 
>> can lights to the location where the fan would be installed.
>> 
>> The alternative is to utilize the same feed to the ventilation fan, but 
>> that means it would have to be on if the ceiling fan was to operate 
>> unless I rigged some means of turning off the ventilation fan locally, 
>> like with a chain/pull switch or something like that. The proximity to 
>> the ceiling fan would probably make this impossible. Not an ideal 
>> situation.
>> 
>> Worst case scenario would be to run a feeder through the attic space (I 
>> could 

Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceiling Fan/Electrical Quandary

[MG via Mercedes]

It may depend on what kind of can lights they are. 
Some are made to be installed from below through 
the hole that they will sit in. Maybe you will be 
lucky and find that that is what you have. Or grab 
the wire to the light or ventilation fan through 
the hole for the new fan and if there is enough 
slack you can run it into the box for the new fan 
and not even bother with touching the original 
box. You were planning to have a junction box on 
the new fan right or is it some new thing that 
doesn't require one? It's been a few years since I 
last installed a ceiling fan.


MG

Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

I didn’t elaborate on the ceiling fan, but it’s a Hunter that runs off a remote 
for everything - light and fan, dimmer and speeds. So I just need power to it 
all the time and nothing else. That’s why I was saying it could easily be on 
the light circuit as any time the lights are off the fan wouldn’t be in use 
anyway.

At this point it’s more of a matter to see if I can get to the junction boxes 
on either the ventilation fan or can lights. If I can get that resolved I can 
do the remote thing to control the ventilation fan. It’s only a foot or two 
away in the ceiling so there’s even the chance I could cut the hole for the fan 
support and get a hand up there to access the junction box. I can do the remote 
thingy from inside the fan enclosure.

Hmm.

-D


On Mar 22, 2020, at 3:32 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Yeah that’s probably more what it is. I have these fans that I put in, they’re switched but a little RF remote works the light and fan operation. I know there are similar things for lights. So you could leave the power on at the wall switch then turn the fan or light on with their respective remotes. 

There are those Alexa and google lights too but they need WiFi to make the lights work. 


--FT
Sent from iPhone


On Mar 22, 2020, at 11:55 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
wrote:

 "Remote switch" is really a relay. "Alexa turn on the fan" there are a variety 
out there...
-Curt

  On Sunday, March 22, 2020, 11:50:07 AM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  wrote:  


Example? Not sure what you mean by “remote switches”.

-D


On Mar 22, 2020, at 11:47 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Get some remote switches, you can leave the power on constantly but switch the 
fixture

--FT
Sent from iPhone


On Mar 22, 2020, at 11:30 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
wrote:

So here’s the deal:

I want to install a ceiling fan on the ceiling of our master bathroom. The roof 
pitch over this part of the house makes it nearly impossible for me to access 
the area from above. On opposite sides of the bathroom are sink/counter areas 
with can lights in the ceiling. There is also a ventilation fan in the ceiling 
as well.

My initial thought was to connect up to one of the can lights (they are 
controlled together by the same switch) and just run the ceiling fan off of 
their circuit. It’s highly unlikely that the ceiling fan would be needed if the 
lights are off. But - since these are can lights the junction boxes are on the 
outsides of the fixtures, meaning I can’t get to the junction boxes from below 
because the fixtures were installed from the attic space. At least I believe 
that to be the case, that I couldn’t dismantle the fixtures from below and drop 
them out the opening. I can probably snake a wire across the ceiling from one 
of the can lights to the location where the fan would be installed.

The alternative is to utilize the same feed to the ventilation fan, but that 
means it would have to be on if the ceiling fan was to operate unless I rigged 
some means of turning off the ventilation fan locally, like with a chain/pull 
switch or something like that. The proximity to the ceiling fan would probably 
make this impossible. Not an ideal situation.

Worst case scenario would be to run a feeder through the attic space (I could 
possibly get a wire from parts of the attic I can access to the ceiling of the 
bathroom) all the way back to the distribution panel, but that’s all the way on 
the opposite side of the house.

I’m looking for ideas here. This is a pretty creative bunch, help me identify a 
solution I have’t yet thought of.

Thanks!

-D
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceiling Fan/Electrical Quandary

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I will check those out. Thanks!

-D

> On Mar 22, 2020, at 8:24 PM, fmiser via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
>> Curt wrote:
> 
>> "Remote switch" is really a relay. "Alexa turn on the fan"
>> there are a variety out there... -Curt
> 
> Lutron Casseta is pretty nice and seems reliable.
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceiling Fan/Electrical Quandary

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Curt wrote:

>  "Remote switch" is really a relay. "Alexa turn on the fan"
> there are a variety out there... -Curt

Lutron Casseta is pretty nice and seems reliable.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceiling Fan/Electrical Quandary

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Depending on how the ceiling light fixtures are wired there may be a hot
lead at one or the other, which is then routed through the wall switch
and back to the fixture.


Allan

Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:

> I didn’t elaborate on the ceiling fan, but it’s a Hunter that runs off a 
> remote for everything - light and fan, dimmer and speeds. So I just need 
> power to it all the time and nothing else. That’s why I was saying it could 
> easily be on the light circuit as any time the lights are off the fan 
> wouldn’t be in use anyway.
>
> At this point it’s more of a matter to see if I can get to the junction boxes 
> on either the ventilation fan or can lights. If I can get that resolved I can 
> do the remote thing to control the ventilation fan. It’s only a foot or two 
> away in the ceiling so there’s even the chance I could cut the hole for the 
> fan support and get a hand up there to access the junction box. I can do the 
> remote thingy from inside the fan enclosure.
>
> Hmm.
>
> -D
>
>> On Mar 22, 2020, at 3:32 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Yeah that’s probably more what it is. I have these fans that I put in, 
>> they’re switched but a little RF remote works the light and fan operation. I 
>> know there are similar things for lights. So you could leave the power on at 
>> the wall switch then turn the fan or light on with their respective remotes. 
>> 
>> There are those Alexa and google lights too but they need WiFi to make the 
>> lights work. 
>> 
>> --FT
>> Sent from iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 22, 2020, at 11:55 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>>  "Remote switch" is really a relay. "Alexa turn on the fan" there are a 
>>> variety out there...
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>>>   On Sunday, March 22, 2020, 11:50:07 AM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:  
>>> 
>>> Example? Not sure what you mean by “remote switches”.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On Mar 22, 2020, at 11:47 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 Get some remote switches, you can leave the power on constantly but switch 
 the fixture
 
 --FT
 Sent from iPhone
 
>> On Mar 22, 2020, at 11:30 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
> 
> So here’s the deal:
> 
> I want to install a ceiling fan on the ceiling of our master bathroom. 
> The roof pitch over this part of the house makes it nearly impossible for 
> me to access the area from above. On opposite sides of the bathroom are 
> sink/counter areas with can lights in the ceiling. There is also a 
> ventilation fan in the ceiling as well.
> 
> My initial thought was to connect up to one of the can lights (they are 
> controlled together by the same switch) and just run the ceiling fan off 
> of their circuit. It’s highly unlikely that the ceiling fan would be 
> needed if the lights are off. But - since these are can lights the 
> junction boxes are on the outsides of the fixtures, meaning I can’t get 
> to the junction boxes from below because the fixtures were installed from 
> the attic space. At least I believe that to be the case, that I couldn’t 
> dismantle the fixtures from below and drop them out the opening. I can 
> probably snake a wire across the ceiling from one of the can lights to 
> the location where the fan would be installed.
> 
> The alternative is to utilize the same feed to the ventilation fan, but 
> that means it would have to be on if the ceiling fan was to operate 
> unless I rigged some means of turning off the ventilation fan locally, 
> like with a chain/pull switch or something like that. The proximity to 
> the ceiling fan would probably make this impossible. Not an ideal 
> situation.
> 
> Worst case scenario would be to run a feeder through the attic space (I 
> could possibly get a wire from parts of the attic I can access to the 
> ceiling of the bathroom) all the way back to the distribution panel, but 
> that’s all the way on the opposite side of the house.
> 
> I’m looking for ideas here. This is a pretty creative bunch, help me 
> identify a solution I have’t yet thought of.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> -D
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceiling Fan/Electrical Quandary

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I didn’t elaborate on the ceiling fan, but it’s a Hunter that runs off a remote 
for everything - light and fan, dimmer and speeds. So I just need power to it 
all the time and nothing else. That’s why I was saying it could easily be on 
the light circuit as any time the lights are off the fan wouldn’t be in use 
anyway.

At this point it’s more of a matter to see if I can get to the junction boxes 
on either the ventilation fan or can lights. If I can get that resolved I can 
do the remote thing to control the ventilation fan. It’s only a foot or two 
away in the ceiling so there’s even the chance I could cut the hole for the fan 
support and get a hand up there to access the junction box. I can do the remote 
thingy from inside the fan enclosure.

Hmm.

-D

> On Mar 22, 2020, at 3:32 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yeah that’s probably more what it is. I have these fans that I put in, 
> they’re switched but a little RF remote works the light and fan operation. I 
> know there are similar things for lights. So you could leave the power on at 
> the wall switch then turn the fan or light on with their respective remotes. 
> 
> There are those Alexa and google lights too but they need WiFi to make the 
> lights work. 
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 22, 2020, at 11:55 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>  "Remote switch" is really a relay. "Alexa turn on the fan" there are a 
>> variety out there...
>> -Curt
>> 
>>   On Sunday, March 22, 2020, 11:50:07 AM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:  
>> 
>> Example? Not sure what you mean by “remote switches”.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Mar 22, 2020, at 11:47 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Get some remote switches, you can leave the power on constantly but switch 
>>> the fixture
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> Sent from iPhone
>>> 
> On Mar 22, 2020, at 11:30 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
 
 So here’s the deal:
 
 I want to install a ceiling fan on the ceiling of our master bathroom. The 
 roof pitch over this part of the house makes it nearly impossible for me 
 to access the area from above. On opposite sides of the bathroom are 
 sink/counter areas with can lights in the ceiling. There is also a 
 ventilation fan in the ceiling as well.
 
 My initial thought was to connect up to one of the can lights (they are 
 controlled together by the same switch) and just run the ceiling fan off 
 of their circuit. It’s highly unlikely that the ceiling fan would be 
 needed if the lights are off. But - since these are can lights the 
 junction boxes are on the outsides of the fixtures, meaning I can’t get to 
 the junction boxes from below because the fixtures were installed from the 
 attic space. At least I believe that to be the case, that I couldn’t 
 dismantle the fixtures from below and drop them out the opening. I can 
 probably snake a wire across the ceiling from one of the can lights to the 
 location where the fan would be installed.
 
 The alternative is to utilize the same feed to the ventilation fan, but 
 that means it would have to be on if the ceiling fan was to operate unless 
 I rigged some means of turning off the ventilation fan locally, like with 
 a chain/pull switch or something like that. The proximity to the ceiling 
 fan would probably make this impossible. Not an ideal situation.
 
 Worst case scenario would be to run a feeder through the attic space (I 
 could possibly get a wire from parts of the attic I can access to the 
 ceiling of the bathroom) all the way back to the distribution panel, but 
 that’s all the way on the opposite side of the house.
 
 I’m looking for ideas here. This is a pretty creative bunch, help me 
 identify a solution I have’t yet thought of.
 
 Thanks!
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceiling Fan/Electrical Quandary

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Yeah that’s probably more what it is. I have these fans that I put in, they’re 
switched but a little RF remote works the light and fan operation. I know there 
are similar things for lights. So you could leave the power on at the wall 
switch then turn the fan or light on with their respective remotes. 

There are those Alexa and google lights too but they need WiFi to make the 
lights work. 

--FT
Sent from iPhone

> On Mar 22, 2020, at 11:55 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
>  "Remote switch" is really a relay. "Alexa turn on the fan" there are a 
> variety out there...
> -Curt
> 
>On Sunday, March 22, 2020, 11:50:07 AM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:  
> 
> Example? Not sure what you mean by “remote switches”.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Mar 22, 2020, at 11:47 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Get some remote switches, you can leave the power on constantly but switch 
>> the fixture
>> 
>> --FT
>> Sent from iPhone
>> 
 On Mar 22, 2020, at 11:30 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> So here’s the deal:
>>> 
>>> I want to install a ceiling fan on the ceiling of our master bathroom. The 
>>> roof pitch over this part of the house makes it nearly impossible for me to 
>>> access the area from above. On opposite sides of the bathroom are 
>>> sink/counter areas with can lights in the ceiling. There is also a 
>>> ventilation fan in the ceiling as well.
>>> 
>>> My initial thought was to connect up to one of the can lights (they are 
>>> controlled together by the same switch) and just run the ceiling fan off of 
>>> their circuit. It’s highly unlikely that the ceiling fan would be needed if 
>>> the lights are off. But - since these are can lights the junction boxes are 
>>> on the outsides of the fixtures, meaning I can’t get to the junction boxes 
>>> from below because the fixtures were installed from the attic space. At 
>>> least I believe that to be the case, that I couldn’t dismantle the fixtures 
>>> from below and drop them out the opening. I can probably snake a wire 
>>> across the ceiling from one of the can lights to the location where the fan 
>>> would be installed.
>>> 
>>> The alternative is to utilize the same feed to the ventilation fan, but 
>>> that means it would have to be on if the ceiling fan was to operate unless 
>>> I rigged some means of turning off the ventilation fan locally, like with a 
>>> chain/pull switch or something like that. The proximity to the ceiling fan 
>>> would probably make this impossible. Not an ideal situation.
>>> 
>>> Worst case scenario would be to run a feeder through the attic space (I 
>>> could possibly get a wire from parts of the attic I can access to the 
>>> ceiling of the bathroom) all the way back to the distribution panel, but 
>>> that’s all the way on the opposite side of the house.
>>> 
>>> I’m looking for ideas here. This is a pretty creative bunch, help me 
>>> identify a solution I have’t yet thought of.
>>> 
>>> Thanks!
>>> 
>>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceiling Fan/Electrical Quandary

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Alexa is a bitch.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 22, 2020, at 11:55 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
>  "Remote switch" is really a relay. "Alexa turn on the fan" there are a 
> variety out there...
> -Curt
> 
>On Sunday, March 22, 2020, 11:50:07 AM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:  
> 
> Example? Not sure what you mean by “remote switches”.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Mar 22, 2020, at 11:47 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Get some remote switches, you can leave the power on constantly but switch 
>> the fixture
>> 
>> --FT
>> Sent from iPhone
>> 
 On Mar 22, 2020, at 11:30 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> So here’s the deal:
>>> 
>>> I want to install a ceiling fan on the ceiling of our master bathroom. The 
>>> roof pitch over this part of the house makes it nearly impossible for me to 
>>> access the area from above. On opposite sides of the bathroom are 
>>> sink/counter areas with can lights in the ceiling. There is also a 
>>> ventilation fan in the ceiling as well.
>>> 
>>> My initial thought was to connect up to one of the can lights (they are 
>>> controlled together by the same switch) and just run the ceiling fan off of 
>>> their circuit. It’s highly unlikely that the ceiling fan would be needed if 
>>> the lights are off. But - since these are can lights the junction boxes are 
>>> on the outsides of the fixtures, meaning I can’t get to the junction boxes 
>>> from below because the fixtures were installed from the attic space. At 
>>> least I believe that to be the case, that I couldn’t dismantle the fixtures 
>>> from below and drop them out the opening. I can probably snake a wire 
>>> across the ceiling from one of the can lights to the location where the fan 
>>> would be installed.
>>> 
>>> The alternative is to utilize the same feed to the ventilation fan, but 
>>> that means it would have to be on if the ceiling fan was to operate unless 
>>> I rigged some means of turning off the ventilation fan locally, like with a 
>>> chain/pull switch or something like that. The proximity to the ceiling fan 
>>> would probably make this impossible. Not an ideal situation.
>>> 
>>> Worst case scenario would be to run a feeder through the attic space (I 
>>> could possibly get a wire from parts of the attic I can access to the 
>>> ceiling of the bathroom) all the way back to the distribution panel, but 
>>> that’s all the way on the opposite side of the house.
>>> 
>>> I’m looking for ideas here. This is a pretty creative bunch, help me 
>>> identify a solution I have’t yet thought of.
>>> 
>>> Thanks!
>>> 
>>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceiling Fan/Electrical Quandary

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

See, this is what I was talking about! I hadn’t even considered this approach.

However, it did occur to me that the junction box for the fan will be on the 
outside of the enclosure as well, so I may have to do some butchery to get at 
the connections.

Thanks!

-D

> On Mar 22, 2020, at 12:10 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> Yup. I need to do this for my inlaws. Their kitchen light is an old round 
> fluorescent deal with a pull cord switch. Last time it failed I had to do 
> some major butchery to install a new ballast, next time it fails its going to 
> become a fan/light combo with a remote. They have high ceilings and it'd be 
> wicked hard run a wire back for a wall mounted switch...
> 
> -Curt
> 
> On Sunday, March 22, 2020, 11:58:45 AM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Something like this?
> 
> https://www.amazon.com/DEWENWILS-Wireless-Receiver-Lighting-Programmable/dp/B07S2RM95K
>   
>   
> >
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> > On Mar 22, 2020, at 11:54 AM, Curt Raymond  > > wrote:
> > 
> > "Remote switch" is really a relay. "Alexa turn on the fan" there are a 
> > variety out there...
> > 
> > -Curt
> > 
> > On Sunday, March 22, 2020, 11:50:07 AM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > Example? Not sure what you mean by “remote switches”.
> > 
> > -D
> > 
> > > On Mar 22, 2020, at 11:47 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
> > > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> > > >> wrote:
> > > 
> > > Get some remote switches, you can leave the power on constantly but 
> > > switch the fixture
> > > 
> > > --FT
> > > Sent from iPhone
> > > 
> > >> On Mar 22, 2020, at 11:30 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> > >> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> > >> >> wrote:
> 
> > >> 
> > >> So here’s the deal:
> > >> 
> > >> I want to install a ceiling fan on the ceiling of our master bathroom. 
> > >> The roof pitch over this part of the house makes it nearly impossible 
> > >> for me to access the area from above. On opposite sides of the bathroom 
> > >> are sink/counter areas with can lights in the ceiling. There is also a 
> > >> ventilation fan in the ceiling as well.
> > >> 
> > >> My initial thought was to connect up to one of the can lights (they are 
> > >> controlled together by the same switch) and just run the ceiling fan off 
> > >> of their circuit. It’s highly unlikely that the ceiling fan would be 
> > >> needed if the lights are off. But - since these are can lights the 
> > >> junction boxes are on the outsides of the fixtures, meaning I can’t get 
> > >> to the junction boxes from below because the fixtures were installed 
> > >> from the attic space. At least I believe that to be the case, that I 
> > >> couldn’t dismantle the fixtures from below and drop them out the 
> > >> opening. I can probably snake a wire across the ceiling from one of the 
> > >> can lights to the location where the fan would be installed.
> > >> 
> > >> The alternative is to utilize the same feed to the ventilation fan, but 
> > >> that means it would have to be on if the ceiling fan was to operate 
> > >> unless I rigged some means of turning off the ventilation fan locally, 
> > >> like with a chain/pull switch or something like that. The proximity to 
> > >> the ceiling fan would probably make this impossible. Not an ideal 
> > >> situation.
> > >> 
> > >> Worst case scenario would be to run a feeder through the attic space (I 
> > >> could possibly get a wire from parts of the attic I can access to the 
> > >> ceiling of the bathroom) all the way back to the distribution panel, but 
> > >> that’s all the way on the opposite side of the house.
> > >> 
> > >> I’m looking for ideas here. This is a pretty creative bunch, help me 
> > >> identify a solution I have’t yet thought of.
> > >> 
> > >> Thanks!
> > >> 
> > >> -D
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceiling Fan/Electrical Quandary

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Yup. I need to do this for my inlaws. Their kitchen light is an old round 
fluorescent deal with a pull cord switch. Last time it failed I had to do some 
major butchery to install a new ballast, next time it fails its going to become 
a fan/light combo with a remote. They have high ceilings and it'd be wicked 
hard run a wire back for a wall mounted switch...
-Curt

On Sunday, March 22, 2020, 11:58:45 AM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Something like this?

https://www.amazon.com/DEWENWILS-Wireless-Receiver-Lighting-Programmable/dp/B07S2RM95K
 


-D


> On Mar 22, 2020, at 11:54 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> "Remote switch" is really a relay. "Alexa turn on the fan" there are a 
> variety out there...
> 
> -Curt
> 
> On Sunday, March 22, 2020, 11:50:07 AM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Example? Not sure what you mean by “remote switches”.
> 
> -D
> 
> > On Mar 22, 2020, at 11:47 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
> > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > Get some remote switches, you can leave the power on constantly but switch 
> > the fixture
> > 
> > --FT
> > Sent from iPhone
> > 
> >> On Mar 22, 2020, at 11:30 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> >> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> >> 
> >> So here’s the deal:
> >> 
> >> I want to install a ceiling fan on the ceiling of our master bathroom. The 
> >> roof pitch over this part of the house makes it nearly impossible for me 
> >> to access the area from above. On opposite sides of the bathroom are 
> >> sink/counter areas with can lights in the ceiling. There is also a 
> >> ventilation fan in the ceiling as well.
> >> 
> >> My initial thought was to connect up to one of the can lights (they are 
> >> controlled together by the same switch) and just run the ceiling fan off 
> >> of their circuit. It’s highly unlikely that the ceiling fan would be 
> >> needed if the lights are off. But - since these are can lights the 
> >> junction boxes are on the outsides of the fixtures, meaning I can’t get to 
> >> the junction boxes from below because the fixtures were installed from the 
> >> attic space. At least I believe that to be the case, that I couldn’t 
> >> dismantle the fixtures from below and drop them out the opening. I can 
> >> probably snake a wire across the ceiling from one of the can lights to the 
> >> location where the fan would be installed.
> >> 
> >> The alternative is to utilize the same feed to the ventilation fan, but 
> >> that means it would have to be on if the ceiling fan was to operate unless 
> >> I rigged some means of turning off the ventilation fan locally, like with 
> >> a chain/pull switch or something like that. The proximity to the ceiling 
> >> fan would probably make this impossible. Not an ideal situation.
> >> 
> >> Worst case scenario would be to run a feeder through the attic space (I 
> >> could possibly get a wire from parts of the attic I can access to the 
> >> ceiling of the bathroom) all the way back to the distribution panel, but 
> >> that’s all the way on the opposite side of the house.
> >> 
> >> I’m looking for ideas here. This is a pretty creative bunch, help me 
> >> identify a solution I have’t yet thought of.
> >> 
> >> Thanks!
> >> 
> >> -D
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceiling Fan/Electrical Quandary

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Something like this?

https://www.amazon.com/DEWENWILS-Wireless-Receiver-Lighting-Programmable/dp/B07S2RM95K
 


-D


> On Mar 22, 2020, at 11:54 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> "Remote switch" is really a relay. "Alexa turn on the fan" there are a 
> variety out there...
> 
> -Curt
> 
> On Sunday, March 22, 2020, 11:50:07 AM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Example? Not sure what you mean by “remote switches”.
> 
> -D
> 
> > On Mar 22, 2020, at 11:47 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
> > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > Get some remote switches, you can leave the power on constantly but switch 
> > the fixture
> > 
> > --FT
> > Sent from iPhone
> > 
> >> On Mar 22, 2020, at 11:30 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> >> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> >> 
> >> So here’s the deal:
> >> 
> >> I want to install a ceiling fan on the ceiling of our master bathroom. The 
> >> roof pitch over this part of the house makes it nearly impossible for me 
> >> to access the area from above. On opposite sides of the bathroom are 
> >> sink/counter areas with can lights in the ceiling. There is also a 
> >> ventilation fan in the ceiling as well.
> >> 
> >> My initial thought was to connect up to one of the can lights (they are 
> >> controlled together by the same switch) and just run the ceiling fan off 
> >> of their circuit. It’s highly unlikely that the ceiling fan would be 
> >> needed if the lights are off. But - since these are can lights the 
> >> junction boxes are on the outsides of the fixtures, meaning I can’t get to 
> >> the junction boxes from below because the fixtures were installed from the 
> >> attic space. At least I believe that to be the case, that I couldn’t 
> >> dismantle the fixtures from below and drop them out the opening. I can 
> >> probably snake a wire across the ceiling from one of the can lights to the 
> >> location where the fan would be installed.
> >> 
> >> The alternative is to utilize the same feed to the ventilation fan, but 
> >> that means it would have to be on if the ceiling fan was to operate unless 
> >> I rigged some means of turning off the ventilation fan locally, like with 
> >> a chain/pull switch or something like that. The proximity to the ceiling 
> >> fan would probably make this impossible. Not an ideal situation.
> >> 
> >> Worst case scenario would be to run a feeder through the attic space (I 
> >> could possibly get a wire from parts of the attic I can access to the 
> >> ceiling of the bathroom) all the way back to the distribution panel, but 
> >> that’s all the way on the opposite side of the house.
> >> 
> >> I’m looking for ideas here. This is a pretty creative bunch, help me 
> >> identify a solution I have’t yet thought of.
> >> 
> >> Thanks!
> >> 
> >> -D
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceiling Fan/Electrical Quandary

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 "Remote switch" is really a relay. "Alexa turn on the fan" there are a variety 
out there...
-Curt

On Sunday, March 22, 2020, 11:50:07 AM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Example? Not sure what you mean by “remote switches”.

-D

> On Mar 22, 2020, at 11:47 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Get some remote switches, you can leave the power on constantly but switch 
> the fixture
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 22, 2020, at 11:30 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> So here’s the deal:
>> 
>> I want to install a ceiling fan on the ceiling of our master bathroom. The 
>> roof pitch over this part of the house makes it nearly impossible for me to 
>> access the area from above. On opposite sides of the bathroom are 
>> sink/counter areas with can lights in the ceiling. There is also a 
>> ventilation fan in the ceiling as well.
>> 
>> My initial thought was to connect up to one of the can lights (they are 
>> controlled together by the same switch) and just run the ceiling fan off of 
>> their circuit. It’s highly unlikely that the ceiling fan would be needed if 
>> the lights are off. But - since these are can lights the junction boxes are 
>> on the outsides of the fixtures, meaning I can’t get to the junction boxes 
>> from below because the fixtures were installed from the attic space. At 
>> least I believe that to be the case, that I couldn’t dismantle the fixtures 
>> from below and drop them out the opening. I can probably snake a wire across 
>> the ceiling from one of the can lights to the location where the fan would 
>> be installed.
>> 
>> The alternative is to utilize the same feed to the ventilation fan, but that 
>> means it would have to be on if the ceiling fan was to operate unless I 
>> rigged some means of turning off the ventilation fan locally, like with a 
>> chain/pull switch or something like that. The proximity to the ceiling fan 
>> would probably make this impossible. Not an ideal situation.
>> 
>> Worst case scenario would be to run a feeder through the attic space (I 
>> could possibly get a wire from parts of the attic I can access to the 
>> ceiling of the bathroom) all the way back to the distribution panel, but 
>> that’s all the way on the opposite side of the house.
>> 
>> I’m looking for ideas here. This is a pretty creative bunch, help me 
>> identify a solution I have’t yet thought of.
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceiling Fan/Electrical Quandary

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Example? Not sure what you mean by “remote switches”.

-D

> On Mar 22, 2020, at 11:47 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Get some remote switches, you can leave the power on constantly but switch 
> the fixture
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 22, 2020, at 11:30 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> So here’s the deal:
>> 
>> I want to install a ceiling fan on the ceiling of our master bathroom. The 
>> roof pitch over this part of the house makes it nearly impossible for me to 
>> access the area from above. On opposite sides of the bathroom are 
>> sink/counter areas with can lights in the ceiling. There is also a 
>> ventilation fan in the ceiling as well.
>> 
>> My initial thought was to connect up to one of the can lights (they are 
>> controlled together by the same switch) and just run the ceiling fan off of 
>> their circuit. It’s highly unlikely that the ceiling fan would be needed if 
>> the lights are off. But - since these are can lights the junction boxes are 
>> on the outsides of the fixtures, meaning I can’t get to the junction boxes 
>> from below because the fixtures were installed from the attic space. At 
>> least I believe that to be the case, that I couldn’t dismantle the fixtures 
>> from below and drop them out the opening. I can probably snake a wire across 
>> the ceiling from one of the can lights to the location where the fan would 
>> be installed.
>> 
>> The alternative is to utilize the same feed to the ventilation fan, but that 
>> means it would have to be on if the ceiling fan was to operate unless I 
>> rigged some means of turning off the ventilation fan locally, like with a 
>> chain/pull switch or something like that. The proximity to the ceiling fan 
>> would probably make this impossible. Not an ideal situation.
>> 
>> Worst case scenario would be to run a feeder through the attic space (I 
>> could possibly get a wire from parts of the attic I can access to the 
>> ceiling of the bathroom) all the way back to the distribution panel, but 
>> that’s all the way on the opposite side of the house.
>> 
>> I’m looking for ideas here. This is a pretty creative bunch, help me 
>> identify a solution I have’t yet thought of.
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> -D
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>> 
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>> 
>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Ceiling Fan/Electrical Quandary

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Get some remote switches, you can leave the power on constantly but switch the 
fixture

--FT
Sent from iPhone

> On Mar 22, 2020, at 11:30 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> So here’s the deal:
> 
> I want to install a ceiling fan on the ceiling of our master bathroom. The 
> roof pitch over this part of the house makes it nearly impossible for me to 
> access the area from above. On opposite sides of the bathroom are 
> sink/counter areas with can lights in the ceiling. There is also a 
> ventilation fan in the ceiling as well.
> 
> My initial thought was to connect up to one of the can lights (they are 
> controlled together by the same switch) and just run the ceiling fan off of 
> their circuit. It’s highly unlikely that the ceiling fan would be needed if 
> the lights are off. But - since these are can lights the junction boxes are 
> on the outsides of the fixtures, meaning I can’t get to the junction boxes 
> from below because the fixtures were installed from the attic space. At least 
> I believe that to be the case, that I couldn’t dismantle the fixtures from 
> below and drop them out the opening. I can probably snake a wire across the 
> ceiling from one of the can lights to the location where the fan would be 
> installed.
> 
> The alternative is to utilize the same feed to the ventilation fan, but that 
> means it would have to be on if the ceiling fan was to operate unless I 
> rigged some means of turning off the ventilation fan locally, like with a 
> chain/pull switch or something like that. The proximity to the ceiling fan 
> would probably make this impossible. Not an ideal situation.
> 
> Worst case scenario would be to run a feeder through the attic space (I could 
> possibly get a wire from parts of the attic I can access to the ceiling of 
> the bathroom) all the way back to the distribution panel, but that’s all the 
> way on the opposite side of the house.
> 
> I’m looking for ideas here. This is a pretty creative bunch, help me identify 
> a solution I have’t yet thought of.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> -D
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[MBZ] OT - Ceiling Fan/Electrical Quandary

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

So here’s the deal:

I want to install a ceiling fan on the ceiling of our master bathroom. The roof 
pitch over this part of the house makes it nearly impossible for me to access 
the area from above. On opposite sides of the bathroom are sink/counter areas 
with can lights in the ceiling. There is also a ventilation fan in the ceiling 
as well.

My initial thought was to connect up to one of the can lights (they are 
controlled together by the same switch) and just run the ceiling fan off of 
their circuit. It’s highly unlikely that the ceiling fan would be needed if the 
lights are off. But - since these are can lights the junction boxes are on the 
outsides of the fixtures, meaning I can’t get to the junction boxes from below 
because the fixtures were installed from the attic space. At least I believe 
that to be the case, that I couldn’t dismantle the fixtures from below and drop 
them out the opening. I can probably snake a wire across the ceiling from one 
of the can lights to the location where the fan would be installed.

The alternative is to utilize the same feed to the ventilation fan, but that 
means it would have to be on if the ceiling fan was to operate unless I rigged 
some means of turning off the ventilation fan locally, like with a chain/pull 
switch or something like that. The proximity to the ceiling fan would probably 
make this impossible. Not an ideal situation.

Worst case scenario would be to run a feeder through the attic space (I could 
possibly get a wire from parts of the attic I can access to the ceiling of the 
bathroom) all the way back to the distribution panel, but that’s all the way on 
the opposite side of the house.

I’m looking for ideas here. This is a pretty creative bunch, help me identify a 
solution I have’t yet thought of.

Thanks!

-D
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