Re: [MBZ] OT fuel economy
On May 29, 2015 1:56 PM, "Randy Bennell via Mercedes" wrote: > > I would say it is. > The southern part of the trip might be similar but once you get close to Nestor Falls, it will be much better. > You should have about 90 miles of nice scenary before Kenora and another 30 miles or so west of Kenora before you start getting into the flatter ground. > The by-pass around Kenora is fairly scenic but I would recommend going into Kenora. It is a nice little town right on the lake. > > Randy Thanks, Randy. We'll check it out. My wife's best friend from college lives there and they haven't seen each other in years. Should be a nice couple of days. Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT fuel economy
Theres a whole new crop of vans out in the last couple years... Nissan got in the game too. They're ugly as sin but I bet they go good. -Curt From: Max Dillon via Mercedes To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Max Dillon Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2015 11:21 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT fuel economy Craig, Yesterday I saw a fairly new full size van, Ford I think, with a diesel engine. That would be a nice rig. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On May 30, 2015 11:18:03 AM EDT, Craig via Mercedes wrote: > >I presume it is a pickup -- do they still make full-size vans? > > >Craig > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT fuel economy
Just under $20k minus my Ranger that they gave me $2750 for. I'd been prepared to accept $1500 on a rusted out old Ranger so they came in good on that. It was more than I wanted to pay but less than the $30k you need for a new stripped down model. This on is fairly stripped down but has a carpet, 4 doors, actually all Dodge extended cabs have 4 normal doors which I prefer over the suicide doors on Ford and upgrade wheels. It had I think 75,000 miles when we bought it, just a bit over 86,000 now. It is big though, I have to really pay attention when I'm in the woods with it. -Curt From: Craig via Mercedes To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Craig Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2015 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT fuel economy On Sat, 30 May 2015 15:04:46 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: > Last September we bought a 2010 Dodge Ram. Got a pretty good deal as we > bought it from the same place we bought our last 2 trucks.Its fun, > roomy, loads of power with the hemi 5.7l v8. Towed the 240D up to > Dimitri's place no problem and managed IIRC 15mpg while doing it. -Curt How much did you pay for it? I presume it is a pickup -- do they still make full-size vans? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT fuel economy
Craig, Yesterday I saw a fairly new full size van, Ford I think, with a diesel engine. That would be a nice rig. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On May 30, 2015 11:18:03 AM EDT, Craig via Mercedes wrote: > >I presume it is a pickup -- do they still make full-size vans? > > >Craig > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT fuel economy
On Sat, 30 May 2015 15:04:46 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: > Last September we bought a 2010 Dodge Ram. Got a pretty good deal as we > bought it from the same place we bought our last 2 trucks.Its fun, > roomy, loads of power with the hemi 5.7l v8. Towed the 240D up to > Dimitri's place no problem and managed IIRC 15mpg while doing it. -Curt How much did you pay for it? I presume it is a pickup -- do they still make full-size vans? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT fuel economy
Last September we bought a 2010 Dodge Ram. Got a pretty good deal as we bought it from the same place we bought our last 2 trucks.Its fun, roomy, loads of power with the hemi 5.7l v8. Towed the 240D up to Dimitri's place no problem and managed IIRC 15mpg while doing it. -Curt From: Dwight Giles To: Mercedes Discussion List ; Curt Raymond Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 9:24 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT fuel economy So what pickup do you have now? I think i missed the last episode of new pickup search.On May 29, 2015 3:34 PM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" wrote: I've gotten it up to 20mpg if I keep it to 65-70mph on the highway. I don't generally pay attention that much. Last trip to Maine we'd have been down because the bed was full of kayaks. -Curt From: Randy Bennell To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 2:53 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT fuel economy How well does your new truck do? RB On 29/05/2015 11:24 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: > I suspect my $1500 Jetta at 50mpg beats 'em both. :) > -Curt > From: Mitch Haley via Mercedes > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Cc: Mitch Haley > Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 11:11 AM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT fuel economy > > Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: >> That works out to almost 25 miles per imperial gallon or almost 21 miles >> per US gallon. >> It is a 2013 F150 Supercrew with the 5.0 coyote engine. >> Based upon the above, I would say it is doing quite a bit better than my >> previous truck which was the 2002 F150 Supercrew with the 5.4 Triton 2 >> valve engine. > Yes, over the last ten years technology has been used to give us more > efficient > cars than ever before. > > As a friend and I were discussing last week, fuel economy isn't everything. > His > 2013 Sentra CVT routinely hits 40mpg (5.9L/100kM). My 1997 S420 doesn't use > twice as much gas, but with the higher cost of premium gas my fuel cost is > about > double. > > However, my cost of car payment plus insurance is about $15 a day less than > his, > mainly because I haven't had a mortgage on a car in over 20 years. > This makes it substantially cheaper to own and drive a rather huge MBZ than a > subcompact Nissan. > > How much did it cost to trade the 2002 Frod for the 2013? > > Mitch. > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT fuel economy
So what pickup do you have now? I think i missed the last episode of new pickup search. On May 29, 2015 3:34 PM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" wrote: > I've gotten it up to 20mpg if I keep it to 65-70mph on the highway. I > don't generally pay attention that much. Last trip to Maine we'd have been > down because the bed was full of kayaks. > -Curt > > From: Randy Bennell > To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> > Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 2:53 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT fuel economy > > How well does your new truck do? > > RB > > > > On 29/05/2015 11:24 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: > > I suspect my $1500 Jetta at 50mpg beats 'em both. :) > > -Curt > >From: Mitch Haley via Mercedes > > To: Mercedes Discussion List > > Cc: Mitch Haley > > Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 11:11 AM > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT fuel economy > > > > Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: > >> That works out to almost 25 miles per imperial gallon or almost 21 miles > >> per US gallon. > >> It is a 2013 F150 Supercrew with the 5.0 coyote engine. > >> Based upon the above, I would say it is doing quite a bit better than my > >> previous truck which was the 2002 F150 Supercrew with the 5.4 Triton 2 > >> valve engine. > > Yes, over the last ten years technology has been used to give us more > efficient > > cars than ever before. > > > > As a friend and I were discussing last week, fuel economy isn't > everything. His > > 2013 Sentra CVT routinely hits 40mpg (5.9L/100kM). My 1997 S420 doesn't > use > > twice as much gas, but with the higher cost of premium gas my fuel cost > is about > > double. > > > > However, my cost of car payment plus insurance is about $15 a day less > than his, > > mainly because I haven't had a mortgage on a car in over 20 years. > > This makes it substantially cheaper to own and drive a rather huge MBZ > than a > > subcompact Nissan. > > > > How much did it cost to trade the 2002 Frod for the 2013? > > > > Mitch. > > > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT fuel economy
I've gotten it up to 20mpg if I keep it to 65-70mph on the highway. I don't generally pay attention that much. Last trip to Maine we'd have been down because the bed was full of kayaks. -Curt From: Randy Bennell To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 2:53 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT fuel economy How well does your new truck do? RB On 29/05/2015 11:24 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: > I suspect my $1500 Jetta at 50mpg beats 'em both. :) > -Curt > From: Mitch Haley via Mercedes > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Cc: Mitch Haley > Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 11:11 AM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT fuel economy > > Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: >> That works out to almost 25 miles per imperial gallon or almost 21 miles >> per US gallon. >> It is a 2013 F150 Supercrew with the 5.0 coyote engine. >> Based upon the above, I would say it is doing quite a bit better than my >> previous truck which was the 2002 F150 Supercrew with the 5.4 Triton 2 >> valve engine. > Yes, over the last ten years technology has been used to give us more > efficient > cars than ever before. > > As a friend and I were discussing last week, fuel economy isn't everything. > His > 2013 Sentra CVT routinely hits 40mpg (5.9L/100kM). My 1997 S420 doesn't use > twice as much gas, but with the higher cost of premium gas my fuel cost is > about > double. > > However, my cost of car payment plus insurance is about $15 a day less than > his, > mainly because I haven't had a mortgage on a car in over 20 years. > This makes it substantially cheaper to own and drive a rather huge MBZ than a > subcompact Nissan. > > How much did it cost to trade the 2002 Frod for the 2013? > > Mitch. > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT fuel economy
I think I pay $300 each for the Jetta and 190D annually and close to $1000 for the pickup... -Curt From: Mitch Haley via Mercedes To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Mitch Haley Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT fuel economy Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: > I suspect my $1500 Jetta at 50mpg beats 'em both. :) Especially since, for the first time in recent memory, diesel mbz fuel is cheaper than petrol mbz fuel. (diesel is still more than regular, about the same as midgrade). My insurance is about $600 per annum, or about five cents per mile, which I am sure is more than you pay for the charity Jetta. (Jetta was a donated vehicle, right?) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT fuel economy
On 29/05/2015 11:47 AM, Tom Savage via Mercedes wrote: On May 27, 2015 11:45 AM, "Randy Bennell via Mercedes" < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: Last weekend, my son and I went to the lake. We are in Winnipeg and we go to Sioux Narrows on Lake of the Woods about 45 minutes south of Kenora. Completely off-topic, but speaking of Lake of the Woods... My wife and I are going to Winnipeg in a few weeks from Minnesota, and I was looking at crossing at International Falls and taking Hwy 71 north of the Lake. It looks much more scenic than crossing at Warroad/Sprague, but over an hour longer. Is the northern route worth the extra time? Thanks, Tom ___ I would say it is. The southern part of the trip might be similar but once you get close to Nestor Falls, it will be much better. You should have about 90 miles of nice scenary before Kenora and another 30 miles or so west of Kenora before you start getting into the flatter ground. The by-pass around Kenora is fairly scenic but I would recommend going into Kenora. It is a nice little town right on the lake. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT fuel economy
How well does your new truck do? RB On 29/05/2015 11:24 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: I suspect my $1500 Jetta at 50mpg beats 'em both. :) -Curt From: Mitch Haley via Mercedes To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Mitch Haley Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT fuel economy Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: That works out to almost 25 miles per imperial gallon or almost 21 miles per US gallon. It is a 2013 F150 Supercrew with the 5.0 coyote engine. Based upon the above, I would say it is doing quite a bit better than my previous truck which was the 2002 F150 Supercrew with the 5.4 Triton 2 valve engine. Yes, over the last ten years technology has been used to give us more efficient cars than ever before. As a friend and I were discussing last week, fuel economy isn't everything. His 2013 Sentra CVT routinely hits 40mpg (5.9L/100kM). My 1997 S420 doesn't use twice as much gas, but with the higher cost of premium gas my fuel cost is about double. However, my cost of car payment plus insurance is about $15 a day less than his, mainly because I haven't had a mortgage on a car in over 20 years. This makes it substantially cheaper to own and drive a rather huge MBZ than a subcompact Nissan. How much did it cost to trade the 2002 Frod for the 2013? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT fuel economy
Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: I suspect my $1500 Jetta at 50mpg beats 'em both. :) Especially since, for the first time in recent memory, diesel mbz fuel is cheaper than petrol mbz fuel. (diesel is still more than regular, about the same as midgrade). My insurance is about $600 per annum, or about five cents per mile, which I am sure is more than you pay for the charity Jetta. (Jetta was a donated vehicle, right?) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT fuel economy
On May 27, 2015 11:45 AM, "Randy Bennell via Mercedes" < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > Last weekend, my son and I went to the lake. > We are in Winnipeg and we go to Sioux Narrows on Lake of the Woods about 45 minutes south of Kenora. > Completely off-topic, but speaking of Lake of the Woods... My wife and I are going to Winnipeg in a few weeks from Minnesota, and I was looking at crossing at International Falls and taking Hwy 71 north of the Lake. It looks much more scenic than crossing at Warroad/Sprague, but over an hour longer. Is the northern route worth the extra time? Thanks, Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT fuel economy
I suspect my $1500 Jetta at 50mpg beats 'em both. :) -Curt From: Mitch Haley via Mercedes To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Mitch Haley Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT fuel economy Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: > That works out to almost 25 miles per imperial gallon or almost 21 miles > per US gallon. > It is a 2013 F150 Supercrew with the 5.0 coyote engine. > Based upon the above, I would say it is doing quite a bit better than my > previous truck which was the 2002 F150 Supercrew with the 5.4 Triton 2 > valve engine. Yes, over the last ten years technology has been used to give us more efficient cars than ever before. As a friend and I were discussing last week, fuel economy isn't everything. His 2013 Sentra CVT routinely hits 40mpg (5.9L/100kM). My 1997 S420 doesn't use twice as much gas, but with the higher cost of premium gas my fuel cost is about double. However, my cost of car payment plus insurance is about $15 a day less than his, mainly because I haven't had a mortgage on a car in over 20 years. This makes it substantially cheaper to own and drive a rather huge MBZ than a subcompact Nissan. How much did it cost to trade the 2002 Frod for the 2013? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT fuel economy
On 29/05/2015 10:11 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: How much did it cost to trade the 2002 Frod for the 2013? Mitch. ___ An arm and a leg! I gave the 2002 to my younger son. It has over 300K Kilometers on it and is becoming less reliable. He has put quite a lot of work into it this past year. He is a mechanic so not a major problem for him. He gets parts at cost and puts them in himself. We use the newer truck for our runs to the lake so would rather not have issues. Could leave an older truck out there (have done so in the past) so that we could launch and retrieve boats and drive something more economical back and forth but we are often hauling building materials etc out along with people so the Supercrew is a good vehicle for the purpose. Leaving an older truck out there also means paying the licence and insurance on it so it does not save us much unless we want to run back and forth in something really small and I am reluctant to do that. I think of the extra fuel as a life insurance premium. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT fuel economy
Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: That works out to almost 25 miles per imperial gallon or almost 21 miles per US gallon. It is a 2013 F150 Supercrew with the 5.0 coyote engine. Based upon the above, I would say it is doing quite a bit better than my previous truck which was the 2002 F150 Supercrew with the 5.4 Triton 2 valve engine. Yes, over the last ten years technology has been used to give us more efficient cars than ever before. As a friend and I were discussing last week, fuel economy isn't everything. His 2013 Sentra CVT routinely hits 40mpg (5.9L/100kM). My 1997 S420 doesn't use twice as much gas, but with the higher cost of premium gas my fuel cost is about double. However, my cost of car payment plus insurance is about $15 a day less than his, mainly because I haven't had a mortgage on a car in over 20 years. This makes it substantially cheaper to own and drive a rather huge MBZ than a subcompact Nissan. How much did it cost to trade the 2002 Frod for the 2013? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT fuel economy
Last weekend, my son and I went to the lake. We are in Winnipeg and we go to Sioux Narrows on Lake of the Woods about 45 minutes south of Kenora. It is roughly 175 miles each way and the first 80 miles is fairly flat 4 lane highway. After that we get more into Canadian Shield territory and the road winds up, down and around. On the 4 lane I ran about 115 kph on the way out and about 118 kph on the way back, so it likely would have done even better if I had kept my speed down closer to the posted limit which is 100 kph (about 62 mph) According to the computer in my truck, it managed an average of 11.2 liters pers 100 kilometers on that trip last weekend. That would include the time that we used it to move the boat to and from the launch ramp etc if my understanding of how it works it accurate. That works out to almost 25 miles per imperial gallon or almost 21 miles per US gallon. It is a 2013 F150 Supercrew with the 5.0 coyote engine. Based upon the above, I would say it is doing quite a bit better than my previous truck which was the 2002 F150 Supercrew with the 5.4 Triton 2 valve engine. Both are 4 wheel drive. The newer one has more transmission gears etc. It will be interesting to know the real world numbers for the 2015 aluminum body truck which supposedly weighs about 800 pounds less. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Fuel economy, was VW Rabbit
My vehicles usually beat EPA estimates too. I think in my case its because I'm largely a highway driver... -Curt Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 22:33:09 -0500 From: Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Fuel economy, was VW Rabbit To: Mercedes Discussion List Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii andrew strasfogel wrote: > > But the 1992 vs. today comparisons on fuel economy may not be comparable > since EPA changed their formula for calculating the mileage. Not sure how the forumla changed over the years, but certain little changed cars lost about 10-15% during the mid 1980's. My 1989 Horizon, 1980 citation, and 1979 300SD all beat their ratings. I got 35-37mpg delivering pizza in the Horizon when it was new, EPA rated 24-34. I don't remember the EPA on the Citation, but it got 38mpg commuting at 55mph, and I didn't own it until it had 145,000 miles on it. Mitch. - Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sat Apr 07 12:38:21 2007 Received: from web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.206.33]) by server8.arterytc8.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) id 1HaABQ-nu-Vw for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Sat, 07 Apr 2007 12:38:21 + Received: (qmail 77310 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Apr 2007 12:38:16 - X-YMail-OSG: XYLuvecVM1meJwzJIy82Qrv9COMhgCVYrPezNjoK5qG8geX4PHcD2sLK_Yzi60x88C.HfgcDmQIBqw_XM7mR5Mw7bizVQzBG9HRXtq0D2j_jhD7WDibqx_t.DeMZQw-- Received: from [63.209.236.120] by web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 07 Apr 2007 05:38:15 PDT Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 05:38:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Diesel List MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9.cp2 Subject: Re: [MBZ] vista blows up another machine! X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: <http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Archive: <http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com> List-Post: <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> List-Help: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Subscribe: <http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 12:38:21 - Who people? Me people? No way man, I gots a penguin... Anyway upgrading any OS is asking for trouble. Even on the Mac in OS 9 it was smart to do a "clean install" which made a new system folder and reduced the incidence of issues... Upgrading an OS is for chumps, doesn't matter which OS. Besides who thinks "I've got an 11am appointment, I'll just upgrade my OS"? It ALWAYS takes longer than anticipated. -Curt Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 00:17:04 -0400 From: "Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [MBZ] vista blows up another machine! To: "Banned List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Mercedes Discussion List" Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed my mother has wanted to go to DC for years, so here i am. we are supposed to meet my cousin david at 11 am, but at 11:30 there is no david. he is not one to be late. i call and learn that he has been trying to upgrade to vista all morning and he has been on the phone with microsoft all morning as everything has become non-functional. they finally all concurred that the problem is that upgrading is basically bad and he should have done a clean install instead. they are just laughing at us over in seattle. first starbucks convinces all of america to pay 4 bucks for a 65 cent cup of coffee. now microsoft foists this vista garbage on us and then blames us for not doing a clean install. bill gates is laughing as hard at you people as i laughed at borat. - Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sat Apr 07 12:41:31 2007 Received: from web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.206.32]) by server8.arterytc8.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) id 1HaAEU-0001Ec-T0 for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Sat, 07 Apr 2007 12:41:31 + Received: (qmail 13108 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Apr 2007 12:41:25 - X-YMail-OSG: VlvNAiEVM1kih2.HA38hJFs7RjgFX2zUpDwGbbjqIXBhb4VsnQNMC7VcsrbrLTaPavofLvKIZY5TridNcjVEC8j..GwP9bXRbOYyVdYPI7j.vC1kutU2J5vGRM5qOQ-- Received: from [63.209.2
Re: [MBZ] OT: Fuel economy, was VW Rabbit
andrew strasfogel wrote: > > But the 1992 vs. today comparisons on fuel economy may not be comparable > since EPA changed their formula for calculating the mileage. Not sure how the forumla changed over the years, but certain little changed cars lost about 10-15% during the mid 1980's. My 1989 Horizon, 1980 citation, and 1979 300SD all beat their ratings. I got 35-37mpg delivering pizza in the Horizon when it was new, EPA rated 24-34. I don't remember the EPA on the Citation, but it got 38mpg commuting at 55mph, and I didn't own it until it had 145,000 miles on it. Mitch.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Fuel economy, was VW Rabbit
Don't have to go that far back -- my brother's 04 Jetta TDI gets 52-55 mpg on the highway. Peter
Re: [MBZ] OT: Fuel economy, was VW Rabbit
More importantly, the auto makers have taken the pulse of the buying market, and are giving us exactly what we ask for. Most people would rather buy a 300+ HP rocket than a car that got 50MPG but only got from 0 to 60 in 15 seconds. :^( What the article doesn't say is the reason mileage has remained a constant is because the big automakers have derived what they consider the MPG "pain threshold" for each market, and would rather add performance under that pain threshold than raise the mileage. Gary Thompson 1995 E320 On 4/6/07, andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: But the 1992 vs. today comparisons on fuel economy may not be comparable since EPA changed their formula for calculating the mileage. On 4/6/07, Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Too bad they didn't go back further and include Diesels. The rabbits and > 201 did pretty good. With the new bluetec engines, the same cars would > wipe out the "hybrid" and gassers today. > > At 08:31 AM 4/6/2007, you wrote: > >Speaking of the economy of older cars - I just saw this, which only > >goes back to '92 -- > > > >http://autos.msn.com/advice/article.aspx?contentid=4024682 > > Loren Faeth > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Fuel economy, was VW Rabbit
But the 1992 vs. today comparisons on fuel economy may not be comparable since EPA changed their formula for calculating the mileage. On 4/6/07, Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Too bad they didn't go back further and include Diesels. The rabbits and 201 did pretty good. With the new bluetec engines, the same cars would wipe out the "hybrid" and gassers today. At 08:31 AM 4/6/2007, you wrote: >Speaking of the economy of older cars - I just saw this, which only >goes back to '92 -- > >http://autos.msn.com/advice/article.aspx?contentid=4024682 Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Fuel economy, was VW Rabbit
Too bad they didn't go back further and include Diesels. The rabbits and 201 did pretty good. With the new bluetec engines, the same cars would wipe out the "hybrid" and gassers today. At 08:31 AM 4/6/2007, you wrote: Speaking of the economy of older cars - I just saw this, which only goes back to '92 -- http://autos.msn.com/advice/article.aspx?contentid=4024682 Loren Faeth
[MBZ] OT: Fuel economy, was VW Rabbit
Speaking of the economy of older cars - I just saw this, which only goes back to '92 -- http://autos.msn.com/advice/article.aspx?contentid=4024682 I love the OM 60x engines! thousands and millions of miles and you never have to adjust the valves. The Wabbits are nice because of the 50-60 mpg. Now tell me again why a 40 mpg prius is supposed to be so great... .. . oh yeah, cause they are so ugly. Lt Don's Quantum is WAY more car than a POS prius.(IMNTBHO) Loren 78 Wabbit Dissel (gone on to somewhere) (probably became a 92 buick that is now a stinking ugly prius) 83 Quantum 5 spd turbodiesel, (now Lt Don's) -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK "Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there." Will Rogers '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
