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Mine die from the tin worm, but not as fast as yours. Mostly cheap chinese garbage does not have enough stainless parts to live long. The iron and sheet metal have begun rusting away. I will need to source a larger gauge of metal to replace the junk metal. Probably looking at forged instead of bent sheet metal and low quality high temp paint clay On Sep 12, 2014, at 4:39 AM, LarryT via Mercedes wrote: Speaking of Propane grills - we bought one 3 or 4 years ago and it has suffered from rusting very badly. It has little sheetmetal clips that hold the heat shields in place - all are basically gone from rust. i do keep my grill out side but its cover is always closed once the grill has cooled a bit It wasn't a cheap grill either - well everything is relative - but we paid between $150 and $200 for it. That's not cheap for me. I know SS grills are available but I suspect the prices are pretty steep. Does everyone see their grills disappear before their eyes or am I the only one with a grill that enjoys rusting so much? LarryT On 9/11/2014 6:10 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote: Turkey friers usually run 70,000 to 95,000 btu. Lotta heat. I don't use anywhere near that much for canning. Not to knock coleman stoves, but a propane burner is much more convenient if you also have a propane grill. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT propane burners
Speaking of Propane grills - we bought one 3 or 4 years ago and it has suffered from rusting very badly. It has little sheetmetal clips that hold the heat shields in place - all are basically gone from rust. i do keep my grill out side but its cover is always closed once the grill has cooled a bit It wasn't a cheap grill either - well everything is relative - but we paid between $150 and $200 for it. That's not cheap for me. I know SS grills are available but I suspect the prices are pretty steep. Does everyone see their grills disappear before their eyes or am I the only one with a grill that enjoys rusting so much? LarryT On 9/11/2014 6:10 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote: Turkey friers usually run 70,000 to 95,000 btu. Lotta heat. I don't use anywhere near that much for canning. Not to knock coleman stoves, but a propane burner is much more convenient if you also have a propane grill. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Same here Larry, I've given up on our propane grill. Food tastes so much better cooked over charcoal, that's all we use now, and the little Weber grill fits in the garage quite nicely. I kept our gas grill operational for years, so we'd have something to cook over in the event of an extended power outrage, but now we have a little butane burner and a slightly larger butane burner, in addition to the charcoal grill. Time to haul the gas grill to the recyclers... Max Dillon, Charleston SC On Sep 12, 2014 7:39 AM, LarryT via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Speaking of Propane grills - we bought one 3 or 4 years ago and it has suffered from rusting very badly. It has little sheetmetal clips that hold the heat shields in place - all are basically gone from rust. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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I had one I managed to keep going for maybe 12 years, some of it was even aluminum that corroded. But send it back to China and a new one will show up soon, incorporating the old one. Or maybe a Toyota or something else. I have a SS grill now I got at Lowes maybe 10 years ago, it looks pretty much new even after sitting outside. I think it is worth it to get SS with cast iron burners, they seem to last indefinitely. Higher up-front cost, but they last. --R On 9/12/14 7:39 AM, LarryT via Mercedes wrote: Does everyone see their grills disappear before their eyes or am I the only one with a grill that enjoys rusting so much? LarryT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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I have an ancient Arkla (probably made right here in Evansville for Sears) that my BIL bought right after he and my sister got married in 1980. I'm on the fourth burner i think. Still works OK, but is still way too hot unless I cover the burner with a ceramic shield, and still catches fire all the time. Cast iron burners are the way to go, maybe tubular steel as I've seen in a couple places. Those crimped stainless burners corrode through and split in a few years without fail, and the grids fall apart quickly. I use it less and less -- must be age (or having too many other things to do!), and my brother has switched back to charcoal. Much nicer, not much slower to get started, and cooks much better. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Mine was a bit weak on the heat output so I bored out a coupla the nozzles and now I can cook a steak in about 3 seconds. Works much better. The other 2 are stock and better for slow cooking. --R On 9/12/14 9:59 AM, Peter Frederick wrote: I have an ancient Arkla (probably made right here in Evansville for Sears) that my BIL bought right after he and my sister got married in 1980. I'm on the fourth burner i think. Still works OK, but is still way too hot unless I cover the burner with a ceramic shield, and still catches fire all the time. Cast iron burners are the way to go, maybe tubular steel as I've seen in a couple places. Those crimped stainless burners corrode through and split in a few years without fail, and the grids fall apart quickly. I use it less and less -- must be age (or having too many other things to do!), and my brother has switched back to charcoal. Much nicer, not much slower to get started, and cooks much better. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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That sounds about right. Remember the price of grills hasn't risen appreciably in the last 15 years. We looked at grills for camp and decided on a KMart $99 unit which has served us surprisingly well. At home I have a Vermont Castings unit that a co-worker replaced with a $600 Webber. The VC I got cost around $600 20 years ago. I would submit that a good grill is in the $500-$800 range and if you're going to spend less you should get the $100 cheapo. I will note that my home grill is due for some love, its burning quite yellow. I need to take a look in the burner and see if the air tubes are plugged, at the very least I should clean out the accumulated schmutz. I've had the thing 5 or 6 years and have maintained it not at all. When I got it I put a new cast iron (as opposed to the pressed steel the cheapies use) burner in but thats all. It could use new ceramic radiants (as opposed to lava rocks) too. -Curt From: LarryT via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 7:39 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT propane burners Speaking of Propane grills - we bought one 3 or 4 years ago and it has suffered from rusting very badly. It has little sheetmetal clips that hold the heat shields in place - all are basically gone from rust. i do keep my grill out side but its cover is always closed once the grill has cooled a bit It wasn't a cheap grill either - well everything is relative - but we paid between $150 and $200 for it. That's not cheap for me. I know SS grills are available but I suspect the prices are pretty steep. Does everyone see their grills disappear before their eyes or am I the only one with a grill that enjoys rusting so much? LarryT On 9/11/2014 6:10 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote: Turkey friers usually run 70,000 to 95,000 btu. Lotta heat. I don't use anywhere near that much for canning. Not to knock coleman stoves, but a propane burner is much more convenient if you also have a propane grill. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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I was at Lowes one day 3 or 4 years ago, they were having a parking lot sale cleaning out a lot of random stuff. They had 2 portable SS grills new in boxes, were like $100 originally, marked down to $20. I bought both of them just because, gave one to my son who never used it, so I got that back. Both still in the garage as I have not had occasion to use them, but for that deal... --R On 9/12/14 10:12 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: That sounds about right. Remember the price of grills hasn't risen appreciably in the last 15 years. We looked at grills for camp and decided on a KMart $99 unit which has served us surprisingly well. At home I have a Vermont Castings unit that a co-worker replaced with a $600 Webber. The VC I got cost around $600 20 years ago. I would submit that a good grill is in the $500-$800 range and if you're going to spend less you should get the $100 cheapo. I will note that my home grill is due for some love, its burning quite yellow. I need to take a look in the burner and see if the air tubes are plugged, at the very least I should clean out the accumulated schmutz. I've had the thing 5 or 6 years and have maintained it not at all. When I got it I put a new cast iron (as opposed to the pressed steel the cheapies use) burner in but thats all. It could use new ceramic radiants (as opposed to lava rocks) too. -Curt From: LarryT via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 7:39 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT propane burners Speaking of Propane grills - we bought one 3 or 4 years ago and it has suffered from rusting very badly. It has little sheetmetal clips that hold the heat shields in place - all are basically gone from rust. i do keep my grill out side but its cover is always closed once the grill has cooled a bit It wasn't a cheap grill either - well everything is relative - but we paid between $150 and $200 for it. That's not cheap for me. I know SS grills are available but I suspect the prices are pretty steep. Does everyone see their grills disappear before their eyes or am I the only one with a grill that enjoys rusting so much? LarryT On 9/11/2014 6:10 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote: Turkey friers usually run 70,000 to 95,000 btu. Lotta heat. I don't use anywhere near that much for canning. Not to knock coleman stoves, but a propane burner is much more convenient if you also have a propane grill. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT propane burners
You sound like my wife its such a great deal we should buy it! even though we don't need it and will never use it... -Curt From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT propane burners I was at Lowes one day 3 or 4 years ago, they were having a parking lot sale cleaning out a lot of random stuff. They had 2 portable SS grills new in boxes, were like $100 originally, marked down to $20. I bought both of them just because, gave one to my son who never used it, so I got that back. Both still in the garage as I have not had occasion to use them, but for that deal... --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Well, actually I did intend to use them. Thought my son would, he was living in a Philly row house that had a deck on the roof but I think all they did was drink beer up there so he never got it out. And we used to go to the beach all the time and cook there, but here we can't drive on the beach so that has been a limiting factor. I have 2 old Char-broils, both nice aluminum bodies but cheap burners, I had bought one for my dad and had one for ages, I got his when I cleaned out their stuff, it had not been used much but the burners were rusting like on mine. Easy enough to find, but $20 or $30 every few years... My kids can deal with them when they have to clean out all my sh...tuff. --R On 9/12/14 10:32 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: You sound like my wife its such a great deal we should buy it! even though we don't need it and will never use it... -Curt *From:* Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com *To:* mercedes@okiebenz.com *Sent:* Friday, September 12, 2014 10:23 AM *Subject:* Re: [MBZ] OT propane burners I was at Lowes one day 3 or 4 years ago, they were having a parking lot sale cleaning out a lot of random stuff. They had 2 portable SS grills new in boxes, were like $100 originally, marked down to $20. I bought both of them just because, gave one to my son who never used it, so I got that back. Both still in the garage as I have not had occasion to use them, but for that deal... --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Lol, I'm resisting the temptation of some copper cookware at Tuesday Morning -- I need more pots and pans like I need to be kicked down the stairs, but copper is SO nice to cook on and they are fairly reasonable. I've already replaced the Farberware my sister bought Mom 30 years ago. It's not terrible, but none of the lids fit very well anymore and everything boils dry on me. When the handle broke on the last remaining early 1960's Wearever aluminum base pan we had left and I had to tighten all the handles on the Farberware again, I bought a used Tramontina clad base 1.5 qt saucepan on eBay. Boy, was that a mistake! I know have a decent sized set of Tramontina Gourmet Tri-ply (from Walmart, ugh, although I've discovered Tuesday Morning has most of it at the same price). Nice, looks and cooks like All-clad at VERY much lower prices, and much of it is made in Brazil instead of China. Great stuff, but I also found some good deals on copper on eBay and have been collecting that, too. Easy to buy junk if you aren't careful, as there is a HUGE difference between decorative and functional copper (like Revereware -- not enough copper on there to do much of anything but make you polish it, or spun aluminum plated with enough copper to look pretty), so not every purchase I've made was a good one. However, there are good deals on beaten up, unpolished heavy copper cookware that need re-tinning -- and that just requires some tin or eutectic tin/silver solder and some acid flux, a little metal prep, and a turkey frier. Basically it's soldering, so you can get by cheap if you can re-tin stuff. Tin lined copper is a dream to cook with, heavy tri-ply stainless is almost as good. Not that I NEED any more pots and pans Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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I've got an old style Ducane, bought it before Weber killed all the old aluminum ones off. After 8+ years, I finally had a problem--the rotary igniter seized. I lit it with a match through the handy holes in the front made for that purpose, then ordered a new one for something like $15. I suppose I will need to get new ceramic pyramids in a couple of more years... Admittedly the paint is a little rough on the outside; when it gets too bad I will probably strip it and use some high temp black paint on it. Also, the upper racks are plain steel and are getting rusty, so they will eventually fail, but are OK for now. The only real maintenance I do to it is to pull it apart before the first grilling of the season and ensure that the critters that may have used it in the winter are fully evicted... I also wash it down at that time. The original stainless grates and the original stainless burners are still fine. Otherwise, I let it run for 10 mins before and after each grilling, then hit it with a wire brush. I do make use of a smoke box, and can keep the temperature steady as low as 225, and have used it to smoke pork shoulders and other roasts. When it finally dies, I will probably get some kind of kamado, like a BGE... Anyhow, if you can find one (like on CL), it might be worth investigating. I think they are the 123's of gas grills. -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Sep 12, 2014, at 10:50, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Well, actually I did intend to use them. Thought my son would, he was living in a Philly row house that had a deck on the roof but I think all they did was drink beer up there so he never got it out. And we used to go to the beach all the time and cook there, but here we can't drive on the beach so that has been a limiting factor. I have 2 old Char-broils, both nice aluminum bodies but cheap burners, I had bought one for my dad and had one for ages, I got his when I cleaned out their stuff, it had not been used much but the burners were rusting like on mine. Easy enough to find, but $20 or $30 every few years... My kids can deal with them when they have to clean out all my sh...tuff. --R On 9/12/14 10:32 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: You sound like my wife its such a great deal we should buy it! even though we don't need it and will never use it... -Curt *From:* Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com *To:* mercedes@okiebenz.com *Sent:* Friday, September 12, 2014 10:23 AM *Subject:* Re: [MBZ] OT propane burners I was at Lowes one day 3 or 4 years ago, they were having a parking lot sale cleaning out a lot of random stuff. They had 2 portable SS grills new in boxes, were like $100 originally, marked down to $20. I bought both of them just because, gave one to my son who never used it, so I got that back. Both still in the garage as I have not had occasion to use them, but for that deal... --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT propane burners
We too have a Vermont Castings BBQ at home. I think it is 10 or more years old. Cannot recall exactly how long we have had it. It is different than the one you describe as it has 3 stainless steel tube burners that run front to back and W shaped heat shields and no rock or ceramics. It was relatively expensive when new and we have done nothing in terms of repair, but are now at the point where we need to do something. It either needs to be repaired or replaced. The burner tubes are going bad. I think the holes enlarge over time. Also the ceramic coated heat shields are wearing out. The main tilting cover looks like new and is very well made. However the structure that it mounts to is not quite as robust. It is starting to rust. I might be able to clean it well enough to coat it with high temp paint but it is getting to the point where I wonder if just buying a new one makes more sense than buying the parts for repair. Out at the lake, we have an old BBQ. A Char Broil I think, with a cast iron heating element. I replaced the element a couple of years ago and we have replaced the upper and lower grids a number of times. My guess is that it is 40 years or so old. It was given to my father in about 1980 and it was not new then. It is a bit small by current standards and it heats a bit unevenly - hotter on the right side but so far has served us well. We lost the rubber on one of the tires a year or two back and I should really replace the wheels. I have a number of old lawn mower wheels that should work. It also does not have a mount for the propane cylinder. The original owner had it hooked onto a big tank with a long hose. We replaced the hose a few years back and just use a 20# tank but it means hauling the BBQ and the tank out from under the porch roof into the yard to use it. I should make a mount for the tank as that would also make it easier to use. My younger son keeps encouraging me to buy a new one for the lake but I see little really wrong with what we have. RB who finds the new pellet stove style BBQ's intriguing too On 12/09/2014 9:12 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: That sounds about right. Remember the price of grills hasn't risen appreciably in the last 15 years. We looked at grills for camp and decided on a KMart $99 unit which has served us surprisingly well. At home I have a Vermont Castings unit that a co-worker replaced with a $600 Webber. The VC I got cost around $600 20 years ago. I would submit that a good grill is in the $500-$800 range and if you're going to spend less you should get the $100 cheapo. I will note that my home grill is due for some love, its burning quite yellow. I need to take a look in the burner and see if the air tubes are plugged, at the very least I should clean out the accumulated schmutz. I've had the thing 5 or 6 years and have maintained it not at all. When I got it I put a new cast iron (as opposed to the pressed steel the cheapies use) burner in but thats all. It could use new ceramic radiants (as opposed to lava rocks) too. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] OT propane burners
Do we have anyone on here that knows anything about propane burners? We have acquired one of the turkey cooker units as my good wife is doing some canning and the enamel ware canner is not to be used on our smooth glass top stove in the kitchen. The burner works well to boil water in the canner but the flame is obviously not the way it ought ot be. There is too much yellow flame and the pot ends up rather sooty. I did a quick look on the web and there are some suggestions that cleaning up the rough casting of the burner unit will make it more efficient. I believe one of the other suggestions was to improve the windscreen around the burner unit. Anyone have any useful thoughts on the subject? RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Buy a new burner, they are about $15 --try one of the Louisiana places. Or you can just get a new orifice, make sure it's one of the 0.040 ones. You have too much gas and not enough air, partially because the casing of the burner is rough, but mostly because the orifice is too large and the velocity through the mixing portion of the burner is too low, resulting in a yellow, sooty flame. Just did this for my burner, and a friend replaced his as well, suddenly we both have clean pots and less gas usage. In fact, mine is a bit lean, may have to drill it out a bit for better burning, it tends to blow out. Turkey friers tend to be VERY cheaply made. I use mine all the time for canning, mostly for blanching and boiling down tomatoes for sauce. It's great to get all that heat and water outside in the summer! Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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There should be an air adjuster on the unit, open it all the way and look around inside to see if a spider has built a nest. Apparently spiders love propane and they just love to crawl into propane burners. Once you get the nest cleared out you may have to play with the air adjustment a little to get things just right. We discovered at ChowdaQ (last year?) that any amount of wind is awful hard on those turkey friers (at least on Dwight's) and its hard to run them at anything less than full bore. For your needs full bore is probably fine though. -Curt From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 12:39 PM Subject: [MBZ] OT propane burners Do we have anyone on here that knows anything about propane burners? We have acquired one of the turkey cooker units as my good wife is doing some canning and the enamel ware canner is not to be used on our smooth glass top stove in the kitchen. The burner works well to boil water in the canner but the flame is obviously not the way it ought ot be. There is too much yellow flame and the pot ends up rather sooty. I did a quick look on the web and there are some suggestions that cleaning up the rough casting of the burner unit will make it more efficient. I believe one of the other suggestions was to improve the windscreen around the burner unit. Anyone have any useful thoughts on the subject? RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT propane burners
I don't think there are any spider nests as I only bought this thing on Saturday and it came sealed in plastic. The air adjuster is wide open. It is supposedly a 55000 btu unit so I cannot run it wide open. Once the water boils I have to turn it down a lot to control the heat. I think the water would be splashing the lid off if I ran it flat out. And my 20# tank would be empty in no time. RB On 11/09/2014 12:20 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: There should be an air adjuster on the unit, open it all the way and look around inside to see if a spider has built a nest. Apparently spiders love propane and they just love to crawl into propane burners. Once you get the nest cleared out you may have to play with the air adjustment a little to get things just right. We discovered at ChowdaQ (last year?) that any amount of wind is awful hard on those turkey friers (at least on Dwight's) and its hard to run them at anything less than full bore. For your needs full bore is probably fine though. -Curt From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 12:39 PM Subject: [MBZ] OT propane burners Do we have anyone on here that knows anything about propane burners? We have acquired one of the turkey cooker units as my good wife is doing some canning and the enamel ware canner is not to be used on our smooth glass top stove in the kitchen. The burner works well to boil water in the canner but the flame is obviously not the way it ought ot be. There is too much yellow flame and the pot ends up rather sooty. I did a quick look on the web and there are some suggestions that cleaning up the rough casting of the burner unit will make it more efficient. I believe one of the other suggestions was to improve the windscreen around the burner unit. Anyone have any useful thoughts on the subject? RB ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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I'd still poke something around in through the air adjuster hole. For lantern cleaning I use the lump end of a zip tie. There could be a piece of casting flash or some sand or other schmegma inside. Otherwise its got a crappy oversized jet. Box it up and take it back. Then go on Craigslist and find either a Coleman 413 (2 burner) or 426 (3 burner) and a gallon of Coleman fuel. It'll be way more useful in the long run. If you insist on propane (which is fine) then find a propane model. Optimus and Primus (same company) made some units that were good too. They'll run off your 20 gallon bulk tank just fine. A stove will give you more control although your initial boil will take longer. It'll also be more useful if you found yourself without power sometime. -Curt From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 3:32 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT propane burners I don't think there are any spider nests as I only bought this thing on Saturday and it came sealed in plastic. The air adjuster is wide open. It is supposedly a 55000 btu unit so I cannot run it wide open. Once the water boils I have to turn it down a lot to control the heat. I think the water would be splashing the lid off if I ran it flat out. And my 20# tank would be empty in no time. RB On 11/09/2014 12:20 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: There should be an air adjuster on the unit, open it all the way and look around inside to see if a spider has built a nest. Apparently spiders love propane and they just love to crawl into propane burners. Once you get the nest cleared out you may have to play with the air adjustment a little to get things just right. We discovered at ChowdaQ (last year?) that any amount of wind is awful hard on those turkey friers (at least on Dwight's) and its hard to run them at anything less than full bore. For your needs full bore is probably fine though. -Curt From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 12:39 PM Subject: [MBZ] OT propane burners Do we have anyone on here that knows anything about propane burners? We have acquired one of the turkey cooker units as my good wife is doing some canning and the enamel ware canner is not to be used on our smooth glass top stove in the kitchen. The burner works well to boil water in the canner but the flame is obviously not the way it ought ot be. There is too much yellow flame and the pot ends up rather sooty. I did a quick look on the web and there are some suggestions that cleaning up the rough casting of the burner unit will make it more efficient. I believe one of the other suggestions was to improve the windscreen around the burner unit. Anyone have any useful thoughts on the subject? RB ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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I will have a look inside the casting. I intend to pull it apart and check the orifice size and the quality of the casting. I see on line that one can buy a better looking casting for not too much money. Would like to see if I can improve this one first however. We are not going to use it a lot but it would be nice if it did not make so much soot. I have a Coleman 2 burner stove that we have used for camping. You are correct that it would work. It just takes a while to get the water boiling. RB On 11/09/2014 3:21 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: I'd still poke something around in through the air adjuster hole. For lantern cleaning I use the lump end of a zip tie. There could be a piece of casting flash or some sand or other schmegma inside. Otherwise its got a crappy oversized jet. Box it up and take it back. Then go on Craigslist and find either a Coleman 413 (2 burner) or 426 (3 burner) and a gallon of Coleman fuel. It'll be way more useful in the long run. If you insist on propane (which is fine) then find a propane model. Optimus and Primus (same company) made some units that were good too. They'll run off your 20 gallon bulk tank just fine. A stove will give you more control although your initial boil will take longer. It'll also be more useful if you found yourself without power sometime. -Curt From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 3:32 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT propane burners I don't think there are any spider nests as I only bought this thing on Saturday and it came sealed in plastic. The air adjuster is wide open. It is supposedly a 55000 btu unit so I cannot run it wide open. Once the water boils I have to turn it down a lot to control the heat. I think the water would be splashing the lid off if I ran it flat out. And my 20# tank would be empty in no time. RB On 11/09/2014 12:20 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: There should be an air adjuster on the unit, open it all the way and look around inside to see if a spider has built a nest. Apparently spiders love propane and they just love to crawl into propane burners. Once you get the nest cleared out you may have to play with the air adjustment a little to get things just right. We discovered at ChowdaQ (last year?) that any amount of wind is awful hard on those turkey friers (at least on Dwight's) and its hard to run them at anything less than full bore. For your needs full bore is probably fine though. -Curt From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 12:39 PM Subject: [MBZ] OT propane burners Do we have anyone on here that knows anything about propane burners? We have acquired one of the turkey cooker units as my good wife is doing some canning and the enamel ware canner is not to be used on our smooth glass top stove in the kitchen. The burner works well to boil water in the canner but the flame is obviously not the way it ought ot be. There is too much yellow flame and the pot ends up rather sooty. I did a quick look on the web and there are some suggestions that cleaning up the rough casting of the burner unit will make it more efficient. I believe one of the other suggestions was to improve the windscreen around the burner unit. Anyone have any useful thoughts on the subject? RB ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT propane burners
A coleman stove is way too small for canning, you likely need to boil a big vat of water (or cook down 15 quarts of tomatoes at once) and you need a BIG burner. The burners that come with turkey friers are often crap. I think I got my from some place with the word Cajun it the name, but I'm not sure. In Louisiana anyway, and they have replacement parts. A burner and orifice was pretty cheap. They are very sensitive to wind blowing down the air intake, though. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT propane burners
Funny, a lot of people can on their kitchen stove... People today are in such a hurry. A Coleman stove will boil big water, just use the right size stove which is why I suggested a 413 instead of a little 425. Lots of people don't know that Coleman made more than one size stove. In fact they made dozens, kitchen ranges too. The 460G Handy Gas plant has a 50,000 BTU burner and holds 3 gallons of gasoline, don't tell me it can't get the job done... -Curt From: Peter Frederick via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 5:48 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT propane burners A coleman stove is way too small for canning, you likely need to boil a big vat of water (or cook down 15 quarts of tomatoes at once) and you need a BIG burner. The burners that come with turkey friers are often crap. I think I got my from some place with the word Cajun it the name, but I'm not sure. In Louisiana anyway, and they have replacement parts. A burner and orifice was pretty cheap. They are very sensitive to wind blowing down the air intake, though. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT propane burners
Turkey friers usually run 70,000 to 95,000 btu. Lotta heat. I don't use anywhere near that much for canning. Not to knock coleman stoves, but a propane burner is much more convenient if you also have a propane grill. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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We have the flat smooth glass top stove so my wife does not want to use it. We have our previous stove in the basement but too much stuff around it to use it right now. Plus, all that steam etc inside is a bit much. Doing it outdoors seems the way to do it. I wish I had a bigger yard. I would consider building a summer kitchen like folks used to have. RB On 11/09/2014 5:01 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Funny, a lot of people can on their kitchen stove... People today are in such a hurry. A Coleman stove will boil big water, just use the right size stove which is why I suggested a 413 instead of a little 425. Lots of people don't know that Coleman made more than one size stove. In fact they made dozens, kitchen ranges too. The 460G Handy Gas plant has a 50,000 BTU burner and holds 3 gallons of gasoline, don't tell me it can't get the job done... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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how big does the yard need to be? My cousin has a great little kitchen built with a smoker, mini fridge, large gas grill, sink, and scads of counter space. Maybe all of 8x8, stone walls and fiberglass roof. The flat part of the yard is 15x25, and surrounded by hilly garden. clay On Sep 11, 2014, at 3:34 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: We have the flat smooth glass top stove so my wife does not want to use it. We have our previous stove in the basement but too much stuff around it to use it right now. Plus, all that steam etc inside is a bit much. Doing it outdoors seems the way to do it. I wish I had a bigger yard. I would consider building a summer kitchen like folks used to have. RB On 11/09/2014 5:01 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Funny, a lot of people can on their kitchen stove... People today are in such a hurry. A Coleman stove will boil big water, just use the right size stove which is why I suggested a 413 instead of a little 425. Lots of people don't know that Coleman made more than one size stove. In fact they made dozens, kitchen ranges too. The 460G Handy Gas plant has a 50,000 BTU burner and holds 3 gallons of gasoline, don't tell me it can't get the job done... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
