Re: [MBZ] Pardon the OT - heard of this employment website - scam or no

2008-02-15 Thread Allan Streib
Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I'll check out that LinkedIn site you suggested.

I'm on it, though I have not ever received any unsolicited contacts
from anyone else via LinkedIn.  I have really not put any effort into
my LinkedIn portfolio though, I only signed up because most of the
other people in my office are on it...  I can see where it would be
good for the sort of work that requires or benefits from maintaining a
large network.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Pardon the OT - heard of this employment website - scam or no

2008-02-15 Thread Allan Streib
Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 People just feel much much better about going with someone they know
 or have some connection to.

That is absolutely true.

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Re: [MBZ] Pardon the OT - heard of this employment website - scam or no

2008-02-15 Thread Ed Booher
On Feb 15, 2008 2:17 AM, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Ed,
 Located near Seattle. Have been looking for work there.

 I'll check out that LinkedIn site you suggested.

 Thanks
 Brian


And you are a Graphic Artist?

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Re: [MBZ] Pardon the OT - heard of this employment website - scam or no

2008-02-15 Thread Ed Booher
On Feb 15, 2008 2:27 AM, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I can say that almost all the jobs I have gotten in any field have been
 through someone I knew, or knew through someone. That's the key I think.
 People just feel much much better about going with someone they know or
 have
 some connection to.

 Brian


I can say much the same. I've found it's very true the old adage. It isn't
what you know, but who you know. LinkedIn is supposed to capitalize on that.
Like I said, I haven't needed to use it for that yet, and Allan mentioned
he's never received an request for an introduction, so I can't give you any
idea of how successful the system is just yet.

However, if you have a portfolio of art the best thing to do is go online
with it. At least that is my opinion on the subject.

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Re: [MBZ] Pardon the OT - heard of this employment website - scam or no

2008-02-14 Thread Allan Streib
Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I normally shut down immediately anything that smells like a scam,
 but I am vulnerable here in my desperation to get a decent job, and
 they are, possibly, preying on that.

Oh come on, quit fretting.  It has every indication of being either a
scam to get your identity, or at best a pretty superficial job posting
board.  Move along.  If you want to job hunt on the web use
established legit sites like Monster or CareerBuilder.  Though even
there you have to use common sense.

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Re: [MBZ] Pardon the OT - heard of this employment website - scam or no

2008-02-14 Thread Ed Booher
On Wed, Feb 13, 2008 at 4:57 PM, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 I've been fruitlessly job searching for some time now and I found an ad on
 Craigslist seeking a graphic artist.



 Brian


Brian,

Where are you located? Have you set up an account on LinkedIn.com? You build
your network out of people you know, and then can get introduced to people
that *they* know. I haven't had to use it for finding a job yet, but it is
supposed to be a valuable social resource/tool.

Ed

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Re: [MBZ] Pardon the OT - heard of this employment website - scam or no

2008-02-14 Thread Zoltan Finks
Well that's sort of the point, Allan. I have moved along from this thing to
the next to the next - including Monster and Career Builder and more.
And as I said - nothing has come from it. I'm not blaming those job sites -
the problem is probably the fault of my sub-par portfolio presentation, but
I still need a decent job with benefits. I hope you've had much better
success with your career than I.

So the site in question was enticing. I'm just complaining about folks
taking advantage of those down on their luck.

I'll fret if I want to - sorry to disturb you. I vent on here sometimes.

Brian

On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 6:18 AM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  I normally shut down immediately anything that smells like a scam,
  but I am vulnerable here in my desperation to get a decent job, and
  they are, possibly, preying on that.

 Oh come on, quit fretting.  It has every indication of being either a
 scam to get your identity, or at best a pretty superficial job posting
 board.  Move along.  If you want to job hunt on the web use
 established legit sites like Monster or CareerBuilder.  Though even
 there you have to use common sense.

 Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Pardon the OT - heard of this employment website - scam or no

2008-02-14 Thread Allan Streib
Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Well that's sort of the point, Allan. I have moved along from this
 thing to the next to the next - including Monster and Career Builder
 and more.  And as I said - nothing has come from it. I'm not blaming
 those job sites - the problem is probably the fault of my sub-par
 portfolio presentation, but I still need a decent job with
 benefits. I hope you've had much better success with your career
 than I.

I'm not particularly thrilled at the moment, I have a decent salary
for the locale, benefits are pretty poor though (small company).

Sorry if I misread your post, I got the impression that you were
putting resumes on web sites and sort of expecting a good job to just
fall out of the sky as a result.  If you're working hard trying to
market yourself without success, that is frustrating, don't give up,
perhaps seek some counsel on what you could change in your strategy or
presentation, maybe try to find someone in your field who would be
willing to do a mock interview and critique you, etc.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Pardon the OT - heard of this employment website - scam or no

2008-02-14 Thread ernest breakfield
Brian,

Craigslist has been a great resource for me, as has Monster.com; 
since they've showed up on the scene, *nothing* has gotten me as much 
action as they do, but i'm admittedly in a very different field and 
environment than you are.
employeesources.com seems to me to be a scam; their URL registration 
makes them look dodgy, they've hit Craigslist lists all over the 
country, the domain for their contacts takes you to another site that 
looks similar, which shares an address with yet another site that looks 
similar... and judging by what you say, they're not responsive enough to 
be actually looking to place people. i wouldn't expect anything good 
from them.

finding work as a Graphic Artist is weird; i feel for you. i know a 
very few who actually *do* make a living at it (and many more that try), 
and most of their contacts come from existing contacts who they've made 
through a variety of strange ways; none of them conventionally. problem 
is, it seems most every kid with a computer program thinks they can do 
it, and most of the work going to independents goes at 'kid-rate'. most 
truly large companies now that are willing to spend on it deal only with 
other large companies (that often only pay the actual artists slightly 
better than 'kid rate', and the work is sporadic. pay generally sucks 
(by my standards) because it seems there are so many people that think 
they can do it and are willing to do it for so little thinking there's a 
Big Break for them at the end of a rainbow somewhere).
know that you're looking for good pay for a job that most people 
that hold the purse strings aren't hot to pay well for, since they all 
think there's nothing to it because of what they see their kids doing on 
their computers. in the meantime, know that good things come to those 
who wait as long as those who wait worketh like hell while they wait, 
and build yourself a standout portfolio to put out in front of everyone 
that you can think of that might ever need you, or know someone who does.
be prepared to wait a while (or maybe forever) for that Dream Job, 
and figure out what you're going to do for a living in the meantime.   ;-)


cheers!
e


Zoltan Finks wrote:
 Hate to admit it, but this list seems a great source for
 everything-savvy-folks.
 I've been fruitlessly job searching for some time now and I found an ad on
 Craigslist seeking a graphic artist.

 I go ahead and follow the link and it's a website called employee
 sources: http://employeesources.com/

 Most of the listings seem to good to be true in terms of their requirements
 and compensation, and in terms of their enthusiasm. What do I have to lose?
 I apply.

 But in the app. process, questions are asked like what is my cel phone
 carrier, and how do I feel my credit is. And several opportunities are given
 to check boxes to request information to be sent to me on things like buying
 insurance and starting a business and improving my credit.

 I got a text message today - the day after applying - giving me a phone
 number to call regarding my application. I call and it simply tells me to
 log into the website and confirm my contact information, after which my app.
 will be further processed.

 Now this could be a legit headhunting type operation that happens to solicit
 the applicants. - or - The whole thing could be a scam to collect personal
 information.

 BTW nothing was asked in terms of my social or bank acct numbers or
 anything. They just have both our phone numbers now, so we'll be watching
 for telemarketing calls to begin on our cel phones.

 Brian
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Re: [MBZ] Pardon the OT - heard of this employment website - scam or no

2008-02-14 Thread Zoltan Finks
Thanks, Allan. Yeah I do think that'd be a great help - to have someone give
me a job hunting makeover. Well, really all that needs making over is my
portfolio and admittedly a lot of that problem has been caused by my
laziness. I have some good work to show, but I haven't felt like playing the
game of packaging it all prettily.
I have found that half the battle is having the degree and the work to show;
the other half is playing the game. The game and I are not good friends.

My wife suggests that their may be some headhunter organizations out there
who may be willing to sit down and talk and make suggestions. I've yet to
really find one.

Brian

On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 11:31 AM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Well that's sort of the point, Allan. I have moved along from this
  thing to the next to the next - including Monster and Career Builder
  and more.  And as I said - nothing has come from it. I'm not blaming
  those job sites - the problem is probably the fault of my sub-par
  portfolio presentation, but I still need a decent job with
  benefits. I hope you've had much better success with your career
  than I.

 I'm not particularly thrilled at the moment, I have a decent salary
 for the locale, benefits are pretty poor though (small company).

 Sorry if I misread your post, I got the impression that you were
 putting resumes on web sites and sort of expecting a good job to just
 fall out of the sky as a result.  If you're working hard trying to
 market yourself without success, that is frustrating, don't give up,
 perhaps seek some counsel on what you could change in your strategy or
 presentation, maybe try to find someone in your field who would be
 willing to do a mock interview and critique you, etc.

 Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Pardon the OT - heard of this employment website - scam or no

2008-02-14 Thread Zoltan Finks
Ed,
Located near Seattle. Have been looking for work there.

I'll check out that LinkedIn site you suggested.

Thanks
Brian

On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 9:34 AM, Ed Booher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Wed, Feb 13, 2008 at 4:57 PM, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

  I've been fruitlessly job searching for some time now and I found an ad
 on
  Craigslist seeking a graphic artist.
 


  Brian


 Brian,

 Where are you located? Have you set up an account on LinkedIn.com? You
 build
 your network out of people you know, and then can get introduced to
 people
 that *they* know. I haven't had to use it for finding a job yet, but it is
 supposed to be a valuable social resource/tool.

 Ed

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Re: [MBZ] Pardon the OT - heard of this employment website - scam or no

2008-02-14 Thread Zoltan Finks
Very well said, Ernest.
I hadn't thought of a couple of those angles.

I can say that almost all the jobs I have gotten in any field have been
through someone I knew, or knew through someone. That's the key I think.
People just feel much much better about going with someone they know or have
some connection to.

Sort of the same with trying to find a date.

Brian

On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 10:50 PM, ernest breakfield 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Brian,

Craigslist has been a great resource for me, as has Monster.com;
 since they've showed up on the scene, *nothing* has gotten me as much
 action as they do, but i'm admittedly in a very different field and
 environment than you are.
employeesources.com seems to me to be a scam; their URL registration
 makes them look dodgy, they've hit Craigslist lists all over the
 country, the domain for their contacts takes you to another site that
 looks similar, which shares an address with yet another site that looks
 similar... and judging by what you say, they're not responsive enough to
 be actually looking to place people. i wouldn't expect anything good
 from them.

finding work as a Graphic Artist is weird; i feel for you. i know a
 very few who actually *do* make a living at it (and many more that try),
 and most of their contacts come from existing contacts who they've made
 through a variety of strange ways; none of them conventionally. problem
 is, it seems most every kid with a computer program thinks they can do
 it, and most of the work going to independents goes at 'kid-rate'. most
 truly large companies now that are willing to spend on it deal only with
 other large companies (that often only pay the actual artists slightly
 better than 'kid rate', and the work is sporadic. pay generally sucks
 (by my standards) because it seems there are so many people that think
 they can do it and are willing to do it for so little thinking there's a
 Big Break for them at the end of a rainbow somewhere).
know that you're looking for good pay for a job that most people
 that hold the purse strings aren't hot to pay well for, since they all
 think there's nothing to it because of what they see their kids doing on
 their computers. in the meantime, know that good things come to those
 who wait as long as those who wait worketh like hell while they wait,
 and build yourself a standout portfolio to put out in front of everyone
 that you can think of that might ever need you, or know someone who does.
be prepared to wait a while (or maybe forever) for that Dream Job,
 and figure out what you're going to do for a living in the meantime.   ;-)


 cheers!
 e


 Zoltan Finks wrote:
  Hate to admit it, but this list seems a great source for
  everything-savvy-folks.
  I've been fruitlessly job searching for some time now and I found an ad
 on
  Craigslist seeking a graphic artist.
 
  I go ahead and follow the link and it's a website called employee
  sources: http://employeesources.com/
 
  Most of the listings seem to good to be true in terms of their
 requirements
  and compensation, and in terms of their enthusiasm. What do I have to
 lose?
  I apply.
 
  But in the app. process, questions are asked like what is my cel phone
  carrier, and how do I feel my credit is. And several opportunities are
 given
  to check boxes to request information to be sent to me on things like
 buying
  insurance and starting a business and improving my credit.
 
  I got a text message today - the day after applying - giving me a phone
  number to call regarding my application. I call and it simply tells me
 to
  log into the website and confirm my contact information, after which my
 app.
  will be further processed.
 
  Now this could be a legit headhunting type operation that happens to
 solicit
  the applicants. - or - The whole thing could be a scam to collect
 personal
  information.
 
  BTW nothing was asked in terms of my social or bank acct numbers or
  anything. They just have both our phone numbers now, so we'll be
 watching
  for telemarketing calls to begin on our cel phones.
 
  Brian
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[MBZ] Pardon the OT - heard of this employment website - scam or no

2008-02-13 Thread Zoltan Finks
Hate to admit it, but this list seems a great source for
everything-savvy-folks.
I've been fruitlessly job searching for some time now and I found an ad on
Craigslist seeking a graphic artist.

I go ahead and follow the link and it's a website called employee
sources: http://employeesources.com/

Most of the listings seem to good to be true in terms of their requirements
and compensation, and in terms of their enthusiasm. What do I have to lose?
I apply.

But in the app. process, questions are asked like what is my cel phone
carrier, and how do I feel my credit is. And several opportunities are given
to check boxes to request information to be sent to me on things like buying
insurance and starting a business and improving my credit.

I got a text message today - the day after applying - giving me a phone
number to call regarding my application. I call and it simply tells me to
log into the website and confirm my contact information, after which my app.
will be further processed.

Now this could be a legit headhunting type operation that happens to solicit
the applicants. - or - The whole thing could be a scam to collect personal
information.

BTW nothing was asked in terms of my social or bank acct numbers or
anything. They just have both our phone numbers now, so we'll be watching
for telemarketing calls to begin on our cel phones.

Brian
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Re: [MBZ] Pardon the OT - heard of this employment website - scam or no

2008-02-13 Thread Gary Hurst
it doesn't quite sound right to me . did you at least do a google search on
the website?  that normally will tell  you what is what.

On Feb 13, 2008 4:57 PM, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hate to admit it, but this list seems a great source for
 everything-savvy-folks.
 I've been fruitlessly job searching for some time now and I found an ad on
 Craigslist seeking a graphic artist.

 I go ahead and follow the link and it's a website called employee
 sources: http://employeesources.com/

 Most of the listings seem to good to be true in terms of their
 requirements
 and compensation, and in terms of their enthusiasm. What do I have to
 lose?
 I apply.

 But in the app. process, questions are asked like what is my cel phone
 carrier, and how do I feel my credit is. And several opportunities are
 given
 to check boxes to request information to be sent to me on things like
 buying
 insurance and starting a business and improving my credit.

 I got a text message today - the day after applying - giving me a phone
 number to call regarding my application. I call and it simply tells me to
 log into the website and confirm my contact information, after which my
 app.
 will be further processed.

 Now this could be a legit headhunting type operation that happens to
 solicit
 the applicants. - or - The whole thing could be a scam to collect personal
 information.

 BTW nothing was asked in terms of my social or bank acct numbers or
 anything. They just have both our phone numbers now, so we'll be watching
 for telemarketing calls to begin on our cel phones.

 Brian
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Re: [MBZ] Pardon the OT - heard of this employment website - scam or no

2008-02-13 Thread Gary Hurst
sounds about right

i don't know whether to go back to bed or mess with kirby parts and build a
vacuum.  somehow i find building a vacuum more relaxing than building a
laptop, although i am not very good at either.

On Feb 13, 2008 9:21 PM, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080204224708AAyDrYs


 On Feb 13, 2008 3:57 PM, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 


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Re: [MBZ] Pardon the OT - heard of this employment website - scam or no

2008-02-13 Thread Wonko the Sane
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080204224708AAyDrYs


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Re: [MBZ] Pardon the OT - heard of this employment website - scam or no

2008-02-13 Thread Bill R
Brian - Your instincts are most likely correct.  If you have been diligent in 
your search you know more about the market than most.  Trust yourself and don't 
give out information that could come back to bite you.  Good luck with the job 
hunt.
BillR

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From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: 2/13/08 4:57 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Pardon the OT - heard of this employment website - scam or no

Hate to admit it, but this list seems a great source for
everything-savvy-folks.
I've been fruitlessly job searching for some time now and I found an ad on
Craigslist seeking a graphic artist.

I go ahead and follow the link and it's a website called employee
sources: http://employeesources.com/

Most of the listings seem to good to be true in terms of their requirements
and compensation, and in terms of their enthusiasm. What do I have to lose?
I apply.

But in the app. process, questions are asked like what is my cel phone
carrier, and how do I feel my credit is. And several opportunities are given
to check boxes to request information to be sent to me on things like buying
insurance and starting a business and improving my credit.

I got a text message today - the day after applying - giving me a phone
number to call regarding my application. I call and it simply tells me to
log into the website and confirm my contact information, after which my app
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Re: [MBZ] Pardon the OT - heard of this employment website - scam or no

2008-02-13 Thread Zoltan Finks
Thanks, Mr. Sane. That Yahoo Answers is an intriguing site. I'll have to use
it in the future.
And thanks, Bill for your encouragement.

Brian

On Feb 13, 2008 6:21 PM, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080204224708AAyDrYs


 On Feb 13, 2008 3:57 PM, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 


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Re: [MBZ] Pardon the OT - heard of this employment website - scam or no

2008-02-13 Thread Zoltan Finks
Okay, actually I decided to go ahead and move forward with the application
process.
After correcting some strangely incorrect phone numbers for myself that they
wanted confirmed, and checking no to several offers, I get a references
page.

Great. Now in order to proceed I have to hand over the names and numbers of
folks I know.

I normally shut down immediately anything that smells like a scam, but I am
vulnerable here in my desperation to get a decent job, and they are,
possibly, preying on that.

Times like this I think of the Iron Maiden song The Evil That Men Do.

Brian

On Feb 13, 2008 6:10 PM, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 it doesn't quite sound right to me . did you at least do a google search
 on
 the website?  that normally will tell  you what is what.

 On Feb 13, 2008 4:57 PM, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Hate to admit it, but this list seems a great source for
  everything-savvy-folks.
  I've been fruitlessly job searching for some time now and I found an ad
 on
  Craigslist seeking a graphic artist.
 
  I go ahead and follow the link and it's a website called employee
  sources: http://employeesources.com/
 
  Most of the listings seem to good to be true in terms of their
  requirements
  and compensation, and in terms of their enthusiasm. What do I have to
  lose?
  I apply.
 
  But in the app. process, questions are asked like what is my cel phone
  carrier, and how do I feel my credit is. And several opportunities are
  given
  to check boxes to request information to be sent to me on things like
  buying
  insurance and starting a business and improving my credit.
 
  I got a text message today - the day after applying - giving me a phone
  number to call regarding my application. I call and it simply tells me
 to
  log into the website and confirm my contact information, after which my
  app.
  will be further processed.
 
  Now this could be a legit headhunting type operation that happens to
  solicit
  the applicants. - or - The whole thing could be a scam to collect
 personal
  information.
 
  BTW nothing was asked in terms of my social or bank acct numbers or
  anything. They just have both our phone numbers now, so we'll be
 watching
  for telemarketing calls to begin on our cel phones.
 
  Brian
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