[MBZ] Photography is not my strong suit - 2001 CLK320 - $500 (and others)

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Re: [MBZ] Photography is not my strong suit - 2001 CLK320 - $500 (and others)

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

I wonder whussup wif da CLK

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Re: [MBZ] Photography is not my strong suit - 2001 CLK320 - $500 (and others)

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

He'll straighten out the pix for an additional $500.

On a somewhat related topic, I've been tracking the prices of used E250
Bluetec sedans.  I've noticed that if the cars don't sell, after several
months the dealer (indi or Mercedes) will RAISE the price $500 - 1000.

On Fri, Jun 18, 2021 at 6:52 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
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> I wonder whussup wif da CLK
>
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> > On Jun 18, 2021, at 12:19 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
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Re: [MBZ] Photography is not my strong suit - 2001 CLK320 - $500 (and others)

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Trying to catch the attention of a different buyer segment.

Allan

Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  writes:

> He'll straighten out the pix for an additional $500.
>
> On a somewhat related topic, I've been tracking the prices of used E250
> Bluetec sedans.  I've noticed that if the cars don't sell, after several
> months the dealer (indi or Mercedes) will RAISE the price $500 - 1000.
>

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Re: [MBZ] Photography is not my strong suit - 2001 CLK320 - $500 (and others)

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Not sure if that will work.  These cars are relatively scarce and destined
for a very limited market niche.

On Fri, Jun 18, 2021 at 1:09 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
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> Trying to catch the attention of a different buyer segment.
>
> Allan
>
> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  writes:
>
> > He'll straighten out the pix for an additional $500.
> >
> > On a somewhat related topic, I've been tracking the prices of used E250
> > Bluetec sedans.  I've noticed that if the cars don't sell, after several
> > months the dealer (indi or Mercedes) will RAISE the price $500 - 1000.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Photography is not my strong suit - 2001 CLK320 - $500 (and others)

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Maybe just reflecting the overall rise in used car prices then.

Don't ask me how dealers think. It's like rental real estate. Judging
from what I see on the commercial markets here, landlords seem to prefer
keeping a high asking rent on vacant properties than they do cutting the
rent and getting a paying tenant.

>From what I am told, it has to do with how their overall debt based
financing model works. Commercial debt has to be refinanced every few
years, and it's easier to do if they can show a higher *potential* cash
flow rather than a lower *actual* cash flow.

Allan


Andrew Strasfogel  writes:

> Not sure if that will work.  These cars are relatively scarce and
> destined for a very limited market niche.
>
> On Fri, Jun 18, 2021 at 1:09 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
>
> Trying to catch the attention of a different buyer segment.
>
> Allan
>
> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  writes:
>
> > He'll straighten out the pix for an additional $500.
> >
> > On a somewhat related topic, I've been tracking the prices of
> > used E250 Bluetec sedans.  I've noticed that if the cars don't
> > sell, after several months the dealer (indi or Mercedes) will
> > RAISE the price $500 - 1000.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Photography is not my strong suit - 2001 CLK320 - $500 (and others)

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

But eventually someone has to buy the cars, which is less likely if they
are overpriced.

On Fri, Jun 18, 2021 at 1:54 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Maybe just reflecting the overall rise in used car prices then.
>
> Don't ask me how dealers think. It's like rental real estate. Judging
> from what I see on the commercial markets here, landlords seem to prefer
> keeping a high asking rent on vacant properties than they do cutting the
> rent and getting a paying tenant.
>
> From what I am told, it has to do with how their overall debt based
> financing model works. Commercial debt has to be refinanced every few
> years, and it's easier to do if they can show a higher *potential* cash
> flow rather than a lower *actual* cash flow.
>
> Allan
>
>
> Andrew Strasfogel  writes:
>
> > Not sure if that will work.  These cars are relatively scarce and
> > destined for a very limited market niche.
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 18, 2021 at 1:09 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Trying to catch the attention of a different buyer segment.
> >
> > Allan
> >
> > Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  writes:
> >
> > > He'll straighten out the pix for an additional $500.
> > >
> > > On a somewhat related topic, I've been tracking the prices of
> > > used E250 Bluetec sedans.  I've noticed that if the cars don't
> > > sell, after several months the dealer (indi or Mercedes) will
> > > RAISE the price $500 - 1000.
> > >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Photography is not my strong suit - 2001 CLK320 - $500 (and others)

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> But eventually someone has to buy the cars, which is less likely if they are 
> overpriced.

I'm sure it's some variant of the shit where they will pay more in operating
costs, often many times over, rather than do a better job up front, because
it would involve a slightly higher capital cost.  "Hey, not MY budget."  Even
if one corporate entity is who is paying ALL costs in the end.

So, how you rig the game will result in how successful it is overall, over time.
Ultimately I'm sure it's why big companies die, and small ones are formed.
They get ossified and inefficient, and the new small sharks swoop in and
eat the lunch, and eventually the carcass, of the big fish.  Ad infinitum.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Photography is not my strong suit - 2001 CLK320 - $500 (and others)

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Cap-ex vs Op-ex. When I first got out of college everything was supposed to be 
cap-ex. Buy hardware so we didn't have to spend people time on stuff. Now 
you're supposed to turn everything into op-ex. I've got a whole bunch of VM 
servers that would be great to train on but rather than getting me a $200/mo 
dedicated internet line we spend $2,000/mo in Microsoft Azure...
-Curt

On Friday, June 18, 2021, 8:24:46 PM EDT, Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 > But eventually someone has to buy the cars, which is less likely if they are 
 > overpriced.

I'm sure it's some variant of the shit where they will pay more in operating
costs, often many times over, rather than do a better job up front, because
it would involve a slightly higher capital cost.  "Hey, not MY budget."  Even
if one corporate entity is who is paying ALL costs in the end.

So, how you rig the game will result in how successful it is overall, over time.
Ultimately I'm sure it's why big companies die, and small ones are formed.
They get ossified and inefficient, and the new small sharks swoop in and
eat the lunch, and eventually the carcass, of the big fish.  Ad infinitum.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Photography is not my strong suit - 2001 CLK320 - $500 (and others)

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We currently run an Azure environment. I’ve got a bunch of data scientists running their own environment in our tenant and they’re spinning stuff up daily. I’ve pointed out that every time they spin up a new instance of something the meter is running, but they don’t seem to care. Not sure who’s handling the accounting side of their stuff, but this just started a month or two ago, so I’m guessing they haven’t gotten the first invoice from Microsoft yet.-DOn Jun 18, 2021, at 10:43 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  wrote:Cap-ex vs Op-ex. When I first got out of college everything was supposed to be cap-ex. Buy hardware so we didn't have to spend people time on stuff. Now you're supposed to turn everything into op-ex. I've got a whole bunch of VM servers that would be great to train on but rather than getting me a $200/mo dedicated internet line we spend $2,000/mo in Microsoft Azure...-Curt  On Friday, June 18, 2021, 8:24:46 PM EDT, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  wrote:  But eventually someone has to buy the cars, which is less likely if they are overpriced.I'm sure it's some variant of the shit where they will pay more in operatingcosts, often many times over, rather than do a better job up front, becauseit would involve a slightly higher capital cost.  "Hey, not MY budget."  Evenif one corporate entity is who is paying ALL costs in the end.So, how you rig the game will result in how successful it is overall, over time.Ultimately I'm sure it's why big companies die, and small ones are formed.They get ossified and inefficient, and the new small sharks swoop in andeat the lunch, and eventually the carcass, of the big fish.  Ad infinitum.-- Jim___http://www.okiebenz.comTo search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com___http://www.okiebenz.comTo search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Re: [MBZ] Photography is not my strong suit - 2001 CLK320 - $500 (and others)

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 The first time I hit $2,000 somebody in accounting freaked out. That was the 
first quarter and that was when I realized I needed more compute power for my 
VMs. I'd been using 8GB of RAM but the machines were very unhappy. I find it 
interesting that in my VMWare systems 8GB is adequate, something about Azure 
appears to be less efficient running the same software.
I should note that $2,000/mo is just for my classes, the guy who teaches the 
editing software uses way more, 16 processor cores and 128GB/RAM will do that.
-Curt

On Saturday, June 19, 2021, 7:52:47 AM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 We currently run an Azure environment. I’ve got a bunch of data scientists 
running their own environment in our tenant and they’re spinning stuff up 
daily. I’ve pointed out that every time they spin up a new instance of 
something the meter is running, but they don’t seem to care. Not sure who’s 
handling the accounting side of their stuff, but this just started a month or 
two ago, so I’m guessing they haven’t gotten the first invoice from Microsoft 
yet.

-D


On Jun 18, 2021, at 10:43 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
wrote:

Cap-ex vs Op-ex. When I first got out of college everything was supposed to be 
cap-ex. Buy hardware so we didn't have to spend people time on stuff. Now 
you're supposed to turn everything into op-ex. I've got a whole bunch of VM 
servers that would be great to train on but rather than getting me a $200/mo 
dedicated internet line we spend $2,000/mo in Microsoft Azure...
-Curt

  On Friday, June 18, 2021, 8:24:46 PM EDT, Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
 wrote:  


But eventually someone has to buy the cars, which is less likely if they are 
overpriced.


I'm sure it's some variant of the shit where they will pay more in operating
costs, often many times over, rather than do a better job up front, because
it would involve a slightly higher capital cost.  "Hey, not MY budget."  Even
if one corporate entity is who is paying ALL costs in the end.

So, how you rig the game will result in how successful it is overall, over time.
Ultimately I'm sure it's why big companies die, and small ones are formed.
They get ossified and inefficient, and the new small sharks swoop in and
eat the lunch, and eventually the carcass, of the big fish.  Ad infinitum.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Photography is not my strong suit - 2001 CLK320 - $500 (and others)

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

For the benefit of the masses:

Microsoft, like other “cloud” providers, allows you to create or “spin up” 
virtual computers, typically servers, in the cloud with nothing more than a few 
mouse clicks. It’s easy to do and can be done in a matter of minutes. This ease 
in accessibility tends to have customers spinning up servers as they please, 
which is a Good Thing for Microsoft, or Amazon, or whomever the cloud provider 
is. Why? Because they charge you for it - monthly.

Think about this - with a few clicks of a mouse I can have a full blown 
production server provisioned however I like - your choice of operating system, 
RAM, number of processors, drive storage, network interfaces, etc., etc.

These are the virtual equivalent of 100s of thousands of dollars of physical 
hardware. The providers charge accordingly.

So it’s easy to see how someone can get out of control with this stuff and 
really go to town. My data scientist geeks are cranking up some very powerful 
virtual machines because they’re crunching data, and lots of it. Not only that, 
they’re installing Microsoft software like SQL (database) whose licenses are in 
the 10s of thousands of dollars a year, if not more.

This just started, so I’m waiting for the accounting folks to go ballistic when 
our next monthly Microsoft invoice comes in for payment.

-D

On Jun 19, 2021, at 10:43 AM, Curt Raymond 
mailto:curtlud...@yahoo.com>> wrote:

The first time I hit $2,000 somebody in accounting freaked out. That was the 
first quarter and that was when I realized I needed more compute power for my 
VMs. I'd been using 8GB of RAM but the machines were very unhappy. I find it 
interesting that in my VMWare systems 8GB is adequate, something about Azure 
appears to be less efficient running the same software.

I should note that $2,000/mo is just for my classes, the guy who teaches the 
editing software uses way more, 16 processor cores and 128GB/RAM will do that.

-Curt

On Saturday, June 19, 2021, 7:52:47 AM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:


We currently run an Azure environment. I’ve got a bunch of data scientists 
running their own environment in our tenant and they’re spinning stuff up 
daily. I’ve pointed out that every time they spin up a new instance of 
something the meter is running, but they don’t seem to care. Not sure who’s 
handling the accounting side of their stuff, but this just started a month or 
two ago, so I’m guessing they haven’t gotten the first invoice from Microsoft 
yet.

-D

On Jun 18, 2021, at 10:43 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

Cap-ex vs Op-ex. When I first got out of college everything was supposed to be 
cap-ex. Buy hardware so we didn't have to spend people time on stuff. Now 
you're supposed to turn everything into op-ex. I've got a whole bunch of VM 
servers that would be great to train on but rather than getting me a $200/mo 
dedicated internet line we spend $2,000/mo in Microsoft Azure...
-Curt

 On Friday, June 18, 2021, 8:24:46 PM EDT, Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

But eventually someone has to buy the cars, which is less likely if they are 
overpriced.

I'm sure it's some variant of the shit where they will pay more in operating
costs, often many times over, rather than do a better job up front, because
it would involve a slightly higher capital cost.  "Hey, not MY budget."  Even
if one corporate entity is who is paying ALL costs in the end.

So, how you rig the game will result in how successful it is overall, over time.
Ultimately I'm sure it's why big companies die, and small ones are formed.
They get ossified and inefficient, and the new small sharks swoop in and
eat the lunch, and eventually the carcass, of the big fish.  Ad infinitum.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Photography is not my strong suit - 2001 CLK320 - $500 (and others)

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> they’re installing Microsoft software like SQL (database) whose licenses are 
> in the 10s of thousands of dollars a year, if not more.

Or you can install and use Postgres, for free.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Photography is not my strong suit - 2001 CLK320 - $500 (and others)

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Be sure they aren't committing cloud authentication keys to public
Github repositories. This happened at work and in short order one
researcher's AWS account was charged tens of thousands of dollars.

Amazon eventually refunded most of it but it was still a hassle for all
involved.

Github also has processes now that watch for this kind of thing, but I'm
not sure it's foolproof (never underestimate the creativity of a fool).

Allan

"dan penoff.com via Mercedes"  writes:

> For the benefit of the masses:
>
> Microsoft, like other “cloud” providers, allows you to create or “spin up” 
> virtual computers, typically servers, in the cloud with nothing more than a 
> few mouse clicks. It’s easy to do and can be done in a matter of minutes. 
> This ease in accessibility tends to have customers spinning up servers as 
> they please, which is a Good Thing for Microsoft, or Amazon, or whomever the 
> cloud provider is. Why? Because they charge you for it - monthly.
>
> Think about this - with a few clicks of a mouse I can have a full blown 
> production server provisioned however I like - your choice of operating 
> system, RAM, number of processors, drive storage, network interfaces, etc., 
> etc.
>
> These are the virtual equivalent of 100s of thousands of dollars of physical 
> hardware. The providers charge accordingly.
>
> So it’s easy to see how someone can get out of control with this stuff and 
> really go to town. My data scientist geeks are cranking up some very powerful 
> virtual machines because they’re crunching data, and lots of it. Not only 
> that, they’re installing Microsoft software like SQL (database) whose 
> licenses are in the 10s of thousands of dollars a year, if not more.
>
> This just started, so I’m waiting for the accounting folks to go ballistic 
> when our next monthly Microsoft invoice comes in for payment.
>
> -D
>
> On Jun 19, 2021, at 10:43 AM, Curt Raymond 
> mailto:curtlud...@yahoo.com>> wrote:
>
> The first time I hit $2,000 somebody in accounting freaked out. That was the 
> first quarter and that was when I realized I needed more compute power for my 
> VMs. I'd been using 8GB of RAM but the machines were very unhappy. I find it 
> interesting that in my VMWare systems 8GB is adequate, something about Azure 
> appears to be less efficient running the same software.
>
> I should note that $2,000/mo is just for my classes, the guy who teaches the 
> editing software uses way more, 16 processor cores and 128GB/RAM will do that.
>
> -Curt
>
> On Saturday, June 19, 2021, 7:52:47 AM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>
>
> We currently run an Azure environment. I’ve got a bunch of data scientists 
> running their own environment in our tenant and they’re spinning stuff up 
> daily. I’ve pointed out that every time they spin up a new instance of 
> something the meter is running, but they don’t seem to care. Not sure who’s 
> handling the accounting side of their stuff, but this just started a month or 
> two ago, so I’m guessing they haven’t gotten the first invoice from Microsoft 
> yet.
>
> -D
>
> On Jun 18, 2021, at 10:43 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>
> Cap-ex vs Op-ex. When I first got out of college everything was supposed to 
> be cap-ex. Buy hardware so we didn't have to spend people time on stuff. Now 
> you're supposed to turn everything into op-ex. I've got a whole bunch of VM 
> servers that would be great to train on but rather than getting me a $200/mo 
> dedicated internet line we spend $2,000/mo in Microsoft Azure...
> -Curt
>
>  On Friday, June 18, 2021, 8:24:46 PM EDT, Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>
> But eventually someone has to buy the cars, which is less likely if they are 
> overpriced.
>
> I'm sure it's some variant of the shit where they will pay more in operating
> costs, often many times over, rather than do a better job up front, because
> it would involve a slightly higher capital cost.  "Hey, not MY budget."  Even
> if one corporate entity is who is paying ALL costs in the end.
>
> So, how you rig the game will result in how successful it is overall, over 
> time.
> Ultimately I'm sure it's why big companies die, and small ones are formed.
> They get ossified and inefficient, and the new small sharks swoop in and
> eat the lunch, and eventually the carcass, of the big fish.  Ad infinitum.
>
> -- Jim

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[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> These are the virtual equivalent of 100s of thousands of dollars of physical 
> hardware. The providers charge accordingly.


,,, and we're back to mainframe style technology.  Rental/lease computing.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Photography is not my strong suit - 2001 CLK320 - $500 (and others)

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Good to know, thanks! I suspect they’re utilizing Github repositories, but I 
don’t know much more than that - I’ll check. We’re sorely in need of a cloud 
architect, as the one we had left for lots and lots more $$$. They’re actively 
recruiting for one, but I wonder how successful we’ll be since we’re government 
and can’t possibly afford to pay the salaries that the private sector is 
offering.

-D

> On Jun 19, 2021, at 2:57 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Be sure they aren't committing cloud authentication keys to public
> Github repositories. This happened at work and in short order one
> researcher's AWS account was charged tens of thousands of dollars.
> 
> Amazon eventually refunded most of it but it was still a hassle for all
> involved.
> 
> Github also has processes now that watch for this kind of thing, but I'm
> not sure it's foolproof (never underestimate the creativity of a fool).
> 
> Allan
> 
> "dan penoff.com via Mercedes"  writes:
> 
>> For the benefit of the masses:
>> 
>> Microsoft, like other “cloud” providers, allows you to create or “spin up” 
>> virtual computers, typically servers, in the cloud with nothing more than a 
>> few mouse clicks. It’s easy to do and can be done in a matter of minutes. 
>> This ease in accessibility tends to have customers spinning up servers as 
>> they please, which is a Good Thing for Microsoft, or Amazon, or whomever the 
>> cloud provider is. Why? Because they charge you for it - monthly.
>> 
>> Think about this - with a few clicks of a mouse I can have a full blown 
>> production server provisioned however I like - your choice of operating 
>> system, RAM, number of processors, drive storage, network interfaces, etc., 
>> etc.
>> 
>> These are the virtual equivalent of 100s of thousands of dollars of physical 
>> hardware. The providers charge accordingly.
>> 
>> So it’s easy to see how someone can get out of control with this stuff and 
>> really go to town. My data scientist geeks are cranking up some very 
>> powerful virtual machines because they’re crunching data, and lots of it. 
>> Not only that, they’re installing Microsoft software like SQL (database) 
>> whose licenses are in the 10s of thousands of dollars a year, if not more.
>> 
>> This just started, so I’m waiting for the accounting folks to go ballistic 
>> when our next monthly Microsoft invoice comes in for payment.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> On Jun 19, 2021, at 10:43 AM, Curt Raymond 
>> mailto:curtlud...@yahoo.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> The first time I hit $2,000 somebody in accounting freaked out. That was the 
>> first quarter and that was when I realized I needed more compute power for 
>> my VMs. I'd been using 8GB of RAM but the machines were very unhappy. I find 
>> it interesting that in my VMWare systems 8GB is adequate, something about 
>> Azure appears to be less efficient running the same software.
>> 
>> I should note that $2,000/mo is just for my classes, the guy who teaches the 
>> editing software uses way more, 16 processor cores and 128GB/RAM will do 
>> that.
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>> On Saturday, June 19, 2021, 7:52:47 AM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> We currently run an Azure environment. I’ve got a bunch of data scientists 
>> running their own environment in our tenant and they’re spinning stuff up 
>> daily. I’ve pointed out that every time they spin up a new instance of 
>> something the meter is running, but they don’t seem to care. Not sure who’s 
>> handling the accounting side of their stuff, but this just started a month 
>> or two ago, so I’m guessing they haven’t gotten the first invoice from 
>> Microsoft yet.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> On Jun 18, 2021, at 10:43 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Cap-ex vs Op-ex. When I first got out of college everything was supposed to 
>> be cap-ex. Buy hardware so we didn't have to spend people time on stuff. Now 
>> you're supposed to turn everything into op-ex. I've got a whole bunch of VM 
>> servers that would be great to train on but rather than getting me a $200/mo 
>> dedicated internet line we spend $2,000/mo in Microsoft Azure...
>> -Curt
>> 
>> On Friday, June 18, 2021, 8:24:46 PM EDT, Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> But eventually someone has to buy the cars, which is less likely if they are 
>> overpriced.
>> 
>> I'm sure it's some variant of the shit where they will pay more in operating
>> costs, often many times over, rather than do a better job up front, because
>> it would involve a slightly higher capital cost.  "Hey, not MY budget."  Even
>> if one corporate entity is who is paying ALL costs in the end.
>> 
>> So, how you rig the game will result in how successful it is overall, over 
>> time.
>> Ultimately I'm sure it's why big companies die, and small ones are formed.
>> They get ossified and inefficient, and the new small sharks swoop in and
>> eat the lunch, and eventual