Re: [MBZ] Polei takes a rest

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Wrong injectors most likely, those would be the rare oblique injection type.  
Snag  'em for resale?  Trade?  I've probably got a set I could trade you, I'm 
sure I put those right over heresomewhere saw then last year, I think...
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On October 3, 2016 2:34:52 PM EDT, clay via Mercedes  
wrote:
>PO was fed prosecutor, so probably did not homebrew, but lived on an
>island with a pack of greenies who might have set up their own pump for
>local brew.  He had a Diesel Purge kit that may or may not have been
>used.  Looks like it involves a Gatorade bottle with in and out hose
>set up.  I could set that up to run 32oz of purge and drive it about.  
>There is a 350SDL at PnP, maybe I find a set of injectors to rebuild. 
>
>
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>> On Oct 2, 2016, at 8:43 PM, G Mann via Mercedes
> wrote:
>> 
>> What you've described is classic example of running home brew
>biodiesel.
>> 
>> In a perfect world, biodiesel would be made to Schedule 52 and be
>perfectly
>> compatible with dino diesel [pump diesel] Home brew diesel is
>often far
>> from Schedule 52 biodiesel and when it burns, leaves a very sticky
>and
>> thick layer of carbon inside the injectors, on valves, and combustion
>> chambers... which make the car run like crap as it builds up..
>> 
>> It also will degrade IP performance, which affects fuel delivery to
>the
>> then clogged injectors, which then don't make good spray pattern,
>which
>> degrades the burn rate of the fuel injected.. which makes more
>carbon..
>> 
>> OOooops... might be time to open the tank and clean it out.. purge
>the rest
>> of the fuel system, new filters.. AND... pull a fuel nozzle and have
>a look
>> at what "one of them look like"...
>> 
>> Actually... I would pull the one fuel nozzle first...
>> 
>> Just a thought.
>> 
>> Grant...
>> 
>> On Sun, Oct 2, 2016 at 5:58 PM, clay via Mercedes
>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> PO was running Bio for a long time.  Long enough that he had to
>replace
>>> the IP seals a few times.  I am slow at getting the fluids changed
>because
>>> I was thinking maybe if the engine got lifted out to fix the trans,
>then
>>> the busted oil pan could be swapped out.  Once I get the old fuel
>out, I
>>> want to run at least one tank of real fuel before changing the fuel
>filters.
>>> 
>>> clay
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 30, 2016, at 11:33 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 An SDL is no slouch, and slipping trannies are hard to mistake.
 Your fuel system is probably crapped up. BioD scrapes loose
 all kinds of crud.
 
 -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Polei takes a rest

[clay via Mercedes]

PO was fed prosecutor, so probably did not homebrew, but lived on an island 
with a pack of greenies who might have set up their own pump for local brew.  
He had a Diesel Purge kit that may or may not have been used.  Looks like it 
involves a Gatorade bottle with in and out hose set up.  I could set that up to 
run 32oz of purge and drive it about.   There is a 350SDL at PnP, maybe I find 
a set of injectors to rebuild. 




Clay

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> On Oct 2, 2016, at 8:43 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> What you've described is classic example of running home brew biodiesel.
> 
> In a perfect world, biodiesel would be made to Schedule 52 and be perfectly
> compatible with dino diesel [pump diesel] Home brew diesel is often far
> from Schedule 52 biodiesel and when it burns, leaves a very sticky and
> thick layer of carbon inside the injectors, on valves, and combustion
> chambers... which make the car run like crap as it builds up..
> 
> It also will degrade IP performance, which affects fuel delivery to the
> then clogged injectors, which then don't make good spray pattern, which
> degrades the burn rate of the fuel injected.. which makes more carbon..
> 
> OOooops... might be time to open the tank and clean it out.. purge the rest
> of the fuel system, new filters.. AND... pull a fuel nozzle and have a look
> at what "one of them look like"...
> 
> Actually... I would pull the one fuel nozzle first...
> 
> Just a thought.
> 
> Grant...
> 
> On Sun, Oct 2, 2016 at 5:58 PM, clay via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
>> PO was running Bio for a long time.  Long enough that he had to replace
>> the IP seals a few times.  I am slow at getting the fluids changed because
>> I was thinking maybe if the engine got lifted out to fix the trans, then
>> the busted oil pan could be swapped out.  Once I get the old fuel out, I
>> want to run at least one tank of real fuel before changing the fuel filters.
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 30, 2016, at 11:33 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> An SDL is no slouch, and slipping trannies are hard to mistake.
>>> Your fuel system is probably crapped up. BioD scrapes loose
>>> all kinds of crud.
>>> 
>>> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Polei takes a rest

[G Mann via Mercedes]

What you've described is classic example of running home brew biodiesel.

In a perfect world, biodiesel would be made to Schedule 52 and be perfectly
compatible with dino diesel [pump diesel] Home brew diesel is often far
from Schedule 52 biodiesel and when it burns, leaves a very sticky and
thick layer of carbon inside the injectors, on valves, and combustion
chambers... which make the car run like crap as it builds up..

It also will degrade IP performance, which affects fuel delivery to the
then clogged injectors, which then don't make good spray pattern, which
degrades the burn rate of the fuel injected.. which makes more carbon..

OOooops... might be time to open the tank and clean it out.. purge the rest
of the fuel system, new filters.. AND... pull a fuel nozzle and have a look
at what "one of them look like"...

Actually... I would pull the one fuel nozzle first...

Just a thought.

Grant...

On Sun, Oct 2, 2016 at 5:58 PM, clay via Mercedes 
wrote:

> PO was running Bio for a long time.  Long enough that he had to replace
> the IP seals a few times.  I am slow at getting the fluids changed because
> I was thinking maybe if the engine got lifted out to fix the trans, then
> the busted oil pan could be swapped out.  Once I get the old fuel out, I
> want to run at least one tank of real fuel before changing the fuel filters.
>
> clay
>
>
>
> > On Sep 30, 2016, at 11:33 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > An SDL is no slouch, and slipping trannies are hard to mistake.
> > Your fuel system is probably crapped up. BioD scrapes loose
> > all kinds of crud.
> >
> > -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Polei takes a rest

[clay via Mercedes]

Turbo spools up fine.  No premature downshifting unless I stomp on it to get 
WOT.  I used the BioBor on the existing tank.  I guess filters are cheap.

clay

> On Oct 1, 2016, at 5:27 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> #1:  What Jim and Mitch said.  Plus add agicide to the tank.  Algicide such 
> as Biobor can be found at marine stores or truckstops.   Another symptom of 
> plugged fuel filters in an SDL is premature downshifting when going up a 
> grade.
> 
> Also, veg oil congeals (polymerizes) in the tank when it sits around, 
> especially in warm weather.  The "i burn free fuel" WVO crowd will never tell 
> you this.  The congealed veg oil will also plug the filters very effectively. 
>  You may have to clean or replace the tank.  I found a very strong ammonia 
> solution to be the best cleaner when the tank is out.  Let the ammonia sit in 
> the tank to do its magik.  It takes days to clean the crud out.  It is much 
> better/cheaper to get a clean used tank.
> 
> #2:  Find the little piece of tubing that runs from the intake manifold to 
> the left inner fender, more or less 90º to the direction of travel.  take off 
> the line, blow it out with high pressure air, then blow out the fitting into 
> the intake manifold.  When that is plugged, you have a non-turbo.  with that 
> clear, the turbo should kick in.  I do this with every OM603 engine I 
> acquire, unless it already runs like a raped ape.
> 
> I am guessing algae is the #1 problem, but if it clears, you may find #2.
> 
> 
> 
>> Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>> October 1, 2016 at 5:12 AM
>> 
>> The top speed in my 300SD went down when I had an algae bloom in my tank and
>> plugged the clear pre-filter. I could leave home with a fine running car, 
>> notice
>> a power drop on the way home from town, and be unable to drive more than 
>> 30mph
>> by the time I got home.
>> 
>> Swap your fuel filters. If it starts running right then goes bad again, clean
>> your tank.
>> 
>> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Polei takes a rest

[clay via Mercedes]

PO was running Bio for a long time.  Long enough that he had to replace the IP 
seals a few times.  I am slow at getting the fluids changed because I was 
thinking maybe if the engine got lifted out to fix the trans, then the busted 
oil pan could be swapped out.  Once I get the old fuel out, I want to run at 
least one tank of real fuel before changing the fuel filters.

clay



> On Sep 30, 2016, at 11:33 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> An SDL is no slouch, and slipping trannies are hard to mistake.
> Your fuel system is probably crapped up. BioD scrapes loose
> all kinds of crud.
> 
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Polei takes a rest

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

If it's bad enough to clog the in-tank filter (strainer) you'll need to
drain the tank. Clean/replace that strainer, and maybe clean the tank.  

I got a load of very wet fuel about 10 years ago and it rusted up the inside
of the tank (300SD) with symptoms like yours.  I had to pressure-wash the
inside of the tank and the amount of crap that came out was amazing.  You
can inspect the inside of the tank by removing the fuel gauge and shining a
good (LED) flashlight inside. I new tank will be shiny silver inside.  Black
is bad.  There are commercial places that redo fuel tanks but I never used
one.

> -Original Message-
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> Haley via Mercedes
> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 6:12 AM
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> Cc: Mitch Haley 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Polei takes a rest
> 
> 
> 
> The top speed in my 300SD went down when I had an algae bloom in my tank
and
> plugged the clear pre-filter. I could leave home with a fine running car,
> notice a power drop on the way home from town, and be unable to drive more
> than 30mph by the time I got home.
> 
> Swap your fuel filters. If it starts running right then goes bad again,
clean
> your tank.
> 
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Polei takes a rest

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Tighten up that power!

But are you getting 40mpg on (FREE!) waste oil?

--FT


On 10/1/16 8:56 AM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote:
Classic symptoms of a clogged fuel filter -- you loose power at speed 
first!  Change the filters before getting too concerned, and get some 
algicide in the tank pronto.


The second 300D had this issue, the PO was using some custom mix of 
bio, diesel, and waste oil.  Fuel gauge acted funny and I had to put a 
couple filters in it (and three pre-filters) before they stopped 
filling up with black goo.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Polei takes a rest

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Classic symptoms of a clogged fuel filter -- you loose power at speed  
first!  Change the filters before getting too concerned, and get some  
algicide in the tank pronto.


The second 300D had this issue, the PO was using some custom mix of  
bio, diesel, and waste oil.  Fuel gauge acted funny and I had to put a  
couple filters in it (and three pre-filters) before they stopped  
filling up with black goo.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Polei takes a rest

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

#1:  What Jim and Mitch said.  Plus add agicide to the tank.  Algicide 
such as Biobor can be found at marine stores or truckstops.   Another 
symptom of plugged fuel filters in an SDL is premature downshifting when 
going up a grade.


Also, veg oil congeals (polymerizes) in the tank when it sits around, 
especially in warm weather.  The "i burn free fuel" WVO crowd will never 
tell you this.  The congealed veg oil will also plug the filters very 
effectively.  You may have to clean or replace the tank.  I found a very 
strong ammonia solution to be the best cleaner when the tank is out.  
Let the ammonia sit in the tank to do its magik.  It takes days to clean 
the crud out.  It is much better/cheaper to get a clean used tank.


#2:  Find the little piece of tubing that runs from the intake manifold 
to the left inner fender, more or less 90º to the direction of travel.  
take off the line, blow it out with high pressure air, then blow out the 
fitting into the intake manifold.  When that is plugged, you have a 
non-turbo.  with that clear, the turbo should kick in.  I do this with 
every OM603 engine I acquire, unless it already runs like a raped ape.


I am guessing algae is the #1 problem, but if it clears, you may find #2.




Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
October 1, 2016 at 5:12 AM

The top speed in my 300SD went down when I had an algae bloom in my 
tank and
plugged the clear pre-filter. I could leave home with a fine running 
car, notice
a power drop on the way home from town, and be unable to drive more 
than 30mph

by the time I got home.

Swap your fuel filters. If it starts running right then goes bad 
again, clean

your tank.

Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] Polei takes a rest

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

The top speed in my 300SD went down when I had an algae bloom in my tank and
plugged the clear pre-filter. I could leave home with a fine running car, notice
a power drop on the way home from town, and be unable to drive more than 30mph
by the time I got home. 

Swap your fuel filters. If it starts running right then goes bad again, clean
your tank. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Polei takes a rest

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

An SDL is no slouch, and slipping trannies are hard to mistake.
Your fuel system is probably crapped up. BioD scrapes loose
all kinds of crud.

-- Jim
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[MBZ] Polei takes a rest

[clay via Mercedes]

I am waiting for the magic clips to get to me so I can put the cladding back on 
the car.  I figured it was a good time to let it rest instead of having this 
massive pull to keep working on it monomaniacally.

I took her for a drive over a week ago 100 miles round trip.  She does well at 
low speeds shifting and having power.  On the highway she sort of sucks.  She 
can get close to speed, but getting much more fast I have to floor it.  Kick 
down works well, but having her blasting at 3k to 4500 RPM to get up a hill at 
speed or keep velocity gets tiring.  I think the trans is slipping, so took it 
to an indy trans shop.  This fellow is way old school.  No computer, just solid 
knowledge.  He thinks Tri-star diesels are POS and knows all the tricks to deal 
with them.   He thinks the engine is either tired after 325k miles or maybe the 
fuel is crap.  PO was big on BioD and I got the car with a fullish tank.  I 
suspect the fuel is pretty old.  Car will be at away camp for at least a week.




clay 

2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei

retired models-
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
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