Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car

[clay]

The lack of care comes from being the lowest rung on the ladder.  It is an 
aspirational car that was not as well appointed as its larger siblings, and 
therefore driven a bit harder, loved a bit less, and owned by a few folks that 
did not feel they measured up enough, the next car would suit them better.  
Same troubles the current C class cars dealing with.  They are baby benz, for 
those not quite ready for prime time Real Benz ownership, so they get abused.  
I do not feel that they are a lesser vehicle, but others just do not give them 
the love they need, so they wear out.  No sooner than any other Benz, just not 
seen as worthy of being kept up, the way the owner of a E or S class is willing 
to make that investment.

The 114/115 was the standard persons benz of the 1970's.  If you had real cash, 
you sprang for a w116.  If  you had a car and needed a toy, you splurge on a 
R107.  Mom and Dad, Grandma, drove the 240D, Wallstreet exec drove the S, and 
Richard Gere prostituted himself in a 450SL.  The 240D was kept for a very long 
time before meeting another owner most of the time.  The SL may or may not have 
hung around.  The S was used for a few years then traded in for another lease 
car to feed the businessman's ego.



clay 

2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








On Sep 2, 2013, at 11:05 AM, Gary Hurst wrote:

> yes, it is far less substantial than the 124 but a very similar car sharing
> many parts.  it ought not be substantially less durable and reliable than a
> 124 yet is/was maligned and, i contend. largely misjudged
> 
> i also have a certain fondness for the 2.6 version as a straight six rear
> drive subcompact is a configuration i cannot help but love
> 
> 
> On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 2:01 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
>> I quite like the 201, I've had 2 and while they're a little bit more
>> finiky than a 123 they reward you with much better manners.
>> 
>> More slightly built though, I've commented on the wheel bearings, also of
>> note are the door cards which are cardboard where I rest my elbow and I
>> tend to poke dimples into them...
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>> Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 13:51:21 -0400
>> From: Gary Hurst 
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car
>> Message-ID:
>>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>> 
>> way back in the day when we first met there was a lot of talk of the W201
>> being the worst car in MB history and the W124 being perhaps the best, i
>> argued that the cars were essentially so similar that i might be more a
>> matter of the care they received, which was less for the 201 than the 124
>> as it was further down the food chain.  i believe this still to be true
>> 
>> i once saw a guy in brevard, NC with an MGB that looked great.  i lamented
>> how unreliable and short lived they were.  he agreed, explaining that he
>> thinks he might need to replace the original engine soon and it only has
>> 680k miles on it
>> 
>> you keep em up, they last a while
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
>> 
>>> I think its more maintenance than anything else. VW does require maybe a
>>> bit more maintenance than other cars and I think VW owners are a bit less
>>> likely to keep up with that maintenance.
>>> A friend has a 2001 Jetta gasser with 250,000+ miles but he keeps right
>> up
>>> with maintenance. He's had very few problems overall.
>>> 
>>> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car

[Curt Raymond]

Durability is one of those things... Those of us on this list are clearly 
freaks in that we don't really consider 20 year old cars to be "old" or "worn 
out". I'm going to buy a '98 Jetta on Thursday which will actually be the 
newest car (not counting the Ranger, thats a truck) I've ever owned. My wife's 
grandmother thinks I'm crazy. I contend that this is probably the last $1500 
car I'll buy. Since we've refinanced the house I've socked away a bunch of 
money and the Jetta is just to get me transportation to get through saving for 
a new (or only slightly used) car sometime next year or the year after.

The 123 was probably overbuilt, in that its durability way exceeded that which 
most car owners would ever need. The 124 is less overbuilt than the 123 but 
more refined and more pleasant to live with, easier starting in extreme cold 
for instance. The 201 was a less expensive 124, no less refined but definitely 
cheaper built. It'd be silly to expect 124 build quality out of it as it was a 
cheaper car. Still almost 30 years later we really can't doubt the durability. 
What other '80s cars do you still see on the road?

Actually to answer my own question, the largest numbers of '80s cars I see are 
(in declining order) Mercedes, Volvo and Volkswagen. Considering how cheaply 
made the VWs were its amazing...

-Curt

Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 14:05:14 -0400
From: Gary Hurst 
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yes, it is far less substantial than the 124 but a very similar car sharing
many parts.  it ought not be substantially less durable and reliable than a
124 yet is/was maligned and, i contend. largely misjudged

i also have a certain fondness for the 2.6 version as a straight six rear
drive subcompact is a configuration i cannot help but love


On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 2:01 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> I quite like the 201, I've had 2 and while they're a little bit more
> finiky than a 123 they reward you with much better manners.
>
> More slightly built though, I've commented on the wheel bearings, also of
> note are the door cards which are cardboard where I rest my elbow and I
> tend to poke dimples into them...
>
> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car

[Rich Thomas]

Well, the little guy was kinda funny-lookin'.

In what way?

I dunno... just funny-lookin'.

Can you be any more specific?

--R


On 9/2/13 2:39 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:

i'm always, funny, don.  not just funny looking


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Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car

[Gary Hurst]

i'm always, funny, don.  not just funny looking


On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 2:35 PM, OK Don  wrote:

> LOL = Laughing out loud. Humor. In short supply recently.
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 12:53 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:
>
> > i don't understand  :(
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 12:09 PM, OK Don  wrote:
> >
> > > Again, LOL!!!
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 10:43 AM, Gary Hurst 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > you are saying i might be overweight myself?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 11:42 AM, OK Don  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I know, I was referring to the "pot calling the kettle black"
> aspect
> > of
> > > > > weight issues - went right over your head :-)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 10:24 AM, Gary Hurst  >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > i said that.  3500lbs is the stuff of huge cars, not entry level
> > > ones.
> > > >  i
> > > > > > think my VW rabbit weighed less than half that
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 11:22 AM, OK Don 
> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > LOL, WHO siad that???
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Seriously, the weight is a result of safer cars in crashes -
> more
> > > > steel
> > > > > > > around the flesh, more crumple zones, more air bags, etc. I
> > wonder
> > > if
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > other manufacturers are using high strength steel like MB does
> > now?
> > > > > > Didn't
> > > > > > > the high strength steel shave off 500 lbs between the 116 and
> the
> > > > 126?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Gary Hurst <
> > jabbahur...@gmail.com
> > > >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > the weight is an outrage
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > OK Don
> > > > > > > "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
> > > temporary
> > > > > > > safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin
> Franklin
> > > 1775
> > > > > > > "in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death
> > and
> > > > > > taxes."
> > > > > > > - Benjamin Franklin 1789
> > > > > > > 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> > > > > > > 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
> > > > > > > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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> > > > > --
> > > > > OK Don
> > > > > "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
> temporary
> > > > > safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin
> 1775
> > > > > "in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and
> > > > taxes."
> > > > > - Benjamin Franklin 1789
> > > > > 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> > > > > 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
> > > > > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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> > > "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
> > > safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin 1775
> > > "in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and
> > taxes."
> > > - Benjamin Franklin 1789
> > > 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> > > 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
> > > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car

[OK Don]

LOL = Laughing out loud. Humor. In short supply recently.


On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 12:53 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:

> i don't understand  :(
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 12:09 PM, OK Don  wrote:
>
> > Again, LOL!!!
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 10:43 AM, Gary Hurst 
> wrote:
> >
> > > you are saying i might be overweight myself?
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 11:42 AM, OK Don  wrote:
> > >
> > > > I know, I was referring to the "pot calling the kettle black" aspect
> of
> > > > weight issues - went right over your head :-)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 10:24 AM, Gary Hurst 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > i said that.  3500lbs is the stuff of huge cars, not entry level
> > ones.
> > >  i
> > > > > think my VW rabbit weighed less than half that
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 11:22 AM, OK Don  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > LOL, WHO siad that???
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Seriously, the weight is a result of safer cars in crashes - more
> > > steel
> > > > > > around the flesh, more crumple zones, more air bags, etc. I
> wonder
> > if
> > > > the
> > > > > > other manufacturers are using high strength steel like MB does
> now?
> > > > > Didn't
> > > > > > the high strength steel shave off 500 lbs between the 116 and the
> > > 126?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Gary Hurst <
> jabbahur...@gmail.com
> > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > the weight is an outrage
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > OK Don
> > > > > > "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
> > temporary
> > > > > > safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin
> > 1775
> > > > > > "in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death
> and
> > > > > taxes."
> > > > > > - Benjamin Franklin 1789
> > > > > > 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> > > > > > 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
> > > > > > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
> > > > > > ___
> > > > > > http://www.okiebenz.com
> > > > > >
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> > cars
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> > > > > *
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > OK Don
> > > > "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
> > > > safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin 1775
> > > > "in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and
> > > taxes."
> > > > - Benjamin Franklin 1789
> > > > 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> > > > 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
> > > > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > OK Don
> > "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
> > safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin 1775
> > "in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and
> taxes."
> > - Benjamin Franklin 1789
> > 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> > 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
> > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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>
>
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Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car

[Gary Hurst]

yes, it is far less substantial than the 124 but a very similar car sharing
many parts.  it ought not be substantially less durable and reliable than a
124 yet is/was maligned and, i contend. largely misjudged

i also have a certain fondness for the 2.6 version as a straight six rear
drive subcompact is a configuration i cannot help but love


On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 2:01 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> I quite like the 201, I've had 2 and while they're a little bit more
> finiky than a 123 they reward you with much better manners.
>
> More slightly built though, I've commented on the wheel bearings, also of
> note are the door cards which are cardboard where I rest my elbow and I
> tend to poke dimples into them...
>
> -Curt
>
> Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 13:51:21 -0400
> From: Gary Hurst 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car
> Message-ID:
> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> way back in the day when we first met there was a lot of talk of the W201
> being the worst car in MB history and the W124 being perhaps the best, i
> argued that the cars were essentially so similar that i might be more a
> matter of the care they received, which was less for the 201 than the 124
> as it was further down the food chain.  i believe this still to be true
>
> i once saw a guy in brevard, NC with an MGB that looked great.  i lamented
> how unreliable and short lived they were.  he agreed, explaining that he
> thinks he might need to replace the original engine soon and it only has
> 680k miles on it
>
> you keep em up, they last a while
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
>
> > I think its more maintenance than anything else. VW does require maybe a
> > bit more maintenance than other cars and I think VW owners are a bit less
> > likely to keep up with that maintenance.
> > A friend has a 2001 Jetta gasser with 250,000+ miles but he keeps right
> up
> > with maintenance. He's had very few problems overall.
> >
> > -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car

[Curt Raymond]

I quite like the 201, I've had 2 and while they're a little bit more finiky 
than a 123 they reward you with much better manners.

More slightly built though, I've commented on the wheel bearings, also of note 
are the door cards which are cardboard where I rest my elbow and I tend to poke 
dimples into them...

-Curt

Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 13:51:21 -0400
From: Gary Hurst 
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way back in the day when we first met there was a lot of talk of the W201
being the worst car in MB history and the W124 being perhaps the best, i
argued that the cars were essentially so similar that i might be more a
matter of the care they received, which was less for the 201 than the 124
as it was further down the food chain.  i believe this still to be true

i once saw a guy in brevard, NC with an MGB that looked great.  i lamented
how unreliable and short lived they were.  he agreed, explaining that he
thinks he might need to replace the original engine soon and it only has
680k miles on it

you keep em up, they last a while


On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> I think its more maintenance than anything else. VW does require maybe a
> bit more maintenance than other cars and I think VW owners are a bit less
> likely to keep up with that maintenance.
> A friend has a 2001 Jetta gasser with 250,000+ miles but he keeps right up
> with maintenance. He's had very few problems overall.
>
> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car

[Curt Raymond]

The "price of safety" today. Once you put in door reinforcement, roof 
reinforcement, multiple airbags, NSA snoopers, backup camera, engine management 
system, air management system, thought management system, bladder management 
system, AC, traction control, power steering, power brakes, power door locks, 
power seats, stereo, satnav, etc it all adds up...

-Curt

Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 11:13:02 -0400
From: Gary Hurst 
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the weight is an outrage


On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 9:33 AM,  wrote:

> >
> 
>http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2014-chevrolet-cruze-diesel-first-drive-review
> >
> > euro engine in a world car
>
>
> So the car that replaced the car that replaced the Cavalier weighs 3500lb
> with a four cylinder diesel in it?
>
> I'm thinking about that W201 with a 2.1 Bluetec in it and wondering what
> would happen if you stuck the Cruze diesel in an old z-24. I bet it'd go
> 0-60 in a lot less than 8 seconds.
>
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car

[Gary Hurst]

i don't understand  :(


On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 12:09 PM, OK Don  wrote:

> Again, LOL!!!
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 10:43 AM, Gary Hurst  wrote:
>
> > you are saying i might be overweight myself?
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 11:42 AM, OK Don  wrote:
> >
> > > I know, I was referring to the "pot calling the kettle black" aspect of
> > > weight issues - went right over your head :-)
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 10:24 AM, Gary Hurst 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > i said that.  3500lbs is the stuff of huge cars, not entry level
> ones.
> >  i
> > > > think my VW rabbit weighed less than half that
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 11:22 AM, OK Don  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > LOL, WHO siad that???
> > > > >
> > > > > Seriously, the weight is a result of safer cars in crashes - more
> > steel
> > > > > around the flesh, more crumple zones, more air bags, etc. I wonder
> if
> > > the
> > > > > other manufacturers are using high strength steel like MB does now?
> > > > Didn't
> > > > > the high strength steel shave off 500 lbs between the 116 and the
> > 126?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Gary Hurst  >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > the weight is an outrage
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > OK Don
> > > > > "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
> temporary
> > > > > safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin
> 1775
> > > > > "in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and
> > > > taxes."
> > > > > - Benjamin Franklin 1789
> > > > > 2013 F150, 18 mpg
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> > taxes."
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Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car

[Gary Hurst]

way back in the day when we first met there was a lot of talk of the W201
being the worst car in MB history and the W124 being perhaps the best, i
argued that the cars were essentially so similar that i might be more a
matter of the care they received, which was less for the 201 than the 124
as it was further down the food chain.  i believe this still to be true

i once saw a guy in brevard, NC with an MGB that looked great.  i lamented
how unreliable and short lived they were.  he agreed, explaining that he
thinks he might need to replace the original engine soon and it only has
680k miles on it

you keep em up, they last a while


On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> I think its more maintenance than anything else. VW does require maybe a
> bit more maintenance than other cars and I think VW owners are a bit less
> likely to keep up with that maintenance.
> A friend has a 2001 Jetta gasser with 250,000+ miles but he keeps right up
> with maintenance. He's had very few problems overall.
>
> -Curt
>
> Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2013 22:29:55 -0700
> From: clay 
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> Make sure the VW is NEW.  Used VW are not as reliable and even the sales
> people at dealerships steer clear of them.
>
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Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car

[Curt Raymond]

If you're anti-urea you're anti-diesel. The Jetta/Golf TDI is the LAST diesel 
without urea in the US. Passat has it and gets slightly better mileage because 
the Jetta/Golf actually sprays extra fuel through the system to burn out the 
filters in a system known as "regeneration" which is one reason pushing me 
toward the Passat instead of the Jetta. Some people report negative experiences 
driving during regeneration. I suspect my driving style (run 'em hard) will 
make it not such a big problem.

-Curt

Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 08:58:16 -0400
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Uh, oh.  No thanks.
Gerry

Snip.Compared to the gas-powered Cruze, you also lose a couple cubic 
feet of rear cargo space thanks to a 17-liter diesel emission fluid tank. 
That urea fluid, which helps put the clean in clean diesel, will need to be 
refilled at least every 10,000 miles.snip
  
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Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car

[Curt Raymond]

I think its more maintenance than anything else. VW does require maybe a bit 
more maintenance than other cars and I think VW owners are a bit less likely to 
keep up with that maintenance.
A friend has a 2001 Jetta gasser with 250,000+ miles but he keeps right up with 
maintenance. He's had very few problems overall.

-Curt

Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2013 22:29:55 -0700
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Make sure the VW is NEW.  Used VW are not as reliable and even the sales people 
at dealerships steer clear of them.

clay
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Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car

[OK Don]

Again, LOL!!!


On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 10:43 AM, Gary Hurst  wrote:

> you are saying i might be overweight myself?
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 11:42 AM, OK Don  wrote:
>
> > I know, I was referring to the "pot calling the kettle black" aspect of
> > weight issues - went right over your head :-)
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 10:24 AM, Gary Hurst 
> wrote:
> >
> > > i said that.  3500lbs is the stuff of huge cars, not entry level ones.
>  i
> > > think my VW rabbit weighed less than half that
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 11:22 AM, OK Don  wrote:
> > >
> > > > LOL, WHO siad that???
> > > >
> > > > Seriously, the weight is a result of safer cars in crashes - more
> steel
> > > > around the flesh, more crumple zones, more air bags, etc. I wonder if
> > the
> > > > other manufacturers are using high strength steel like MB does now?
> > > Didn't
> > > > the high strength steel shave off 500 lbs between the 116 and the
> 126?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Gary Hurst 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > the weight is an outrage
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > OK Don
> > > > "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
> > > > safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin 1775
> > > > "in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and
> > > taxes."
> > > > - Benjamin Franklin 1789
> > > > 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> > > > 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
> > > > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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> > --
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> > "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
> > safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin 1775
> > "in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and
> taxes."
> > - Benjamin Franklin 1789
> > 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> > 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
> > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car

[Gary Hurst]

you are saying i might be overweight myself?


On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 11:42 AM, OK Don  wrote:

> I know, I was referring to the "pot calling the kettle black" aspect of
> weight issues - went right over your head :-)
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 10:24 AM, Gary Hurst  wrote:
>
> > i said that.  3500lbs is the stuff of huge cars, not entry level ones.  i
> > think my VW rabbit weighed less than half that
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 11:22 AM, OK Don  wrote:
> >
> > > LOL, WHO siad that???
> > >
> > > Seriously, the weight is a result of safer cars in crashes - more steel
> > > around the flesh, more crumple zones, more air bags, etc. I wonder if
> the
> > > other manufacturers are using high strength steel like MB does now?
> > Didn't
> > > the high strength steel shave off 500 lbs between the 116 and the 126?
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Gary Hurst 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > the weight is an outrage
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > OK Don
> > > "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
> > > safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin 1775
> > > "in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and
> > taxes."
> > > - Benjamin Franklin 1789
> > > 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> > > 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
> > > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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> safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin 1775
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Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car

[OK Don]

I know, I was referring to the "pot calling the kettle black" aspect of
weight issues - went right over your head :-)


On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 10:24 AM, Gary Hurst  wrote:

> i said that.  3500lbs is the stuff of huge cars, not entry level ones.  i
> think my VW rabbit weighed less than half that
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 11:22 AM, OK Don  wrote:
>
> > LOL, WHO siad that???
> >
> > Seriously, the weight is a result of safer cars in crashes - more steel
> > around the flesh, more crumple zones, more air bags, etc. I wonder if the
> > other manufacturers are using high strength steel like MB does now?
> Didn't
> > the high strength steel shave off 500 lbs between the 116 and the 126?
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Gary Hurst 
> wrote:
> >
> > > the weight is an outrage
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > OK Don
> > "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
> > safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin 1775
> > "in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and
> taxes."
> > - Benjamin Franklin 1789
> > 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> > 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
> > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car

[Gary Hurst]

i said that.  3500lbs is the stuff of huge cars, not entry level ones.  i
think my VW rabbit weighed less than half that


On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 11:22 AM, OK Don  wrote:

> LOL, WHO siad that???
>
> Seriously, the weight is a result of safer cars in crashes - more steel
> around the flesh, more crumple zones, more air bags, etc. I wonder if the
> other manufacturers are using high strength steel like MB does now? Didn't
> the high strength steel shave off 500 lbs between the 116 and the 126?
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Gary Hurst  wrote:
>
> > the weight is an outrage
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> OK Don
> "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
> safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin 1775
> "in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes."
> - Benjamin Franklin 1789
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Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car

[OK Don]

LOL, WHO siad that???

Seriously, the weight is a result of safer cars in crashes - more steel
around the flesh, more crumple zones, more air bags, etc. I wonder if the
other manufacturers are using high strength steel like MB does now? Didn't
the high strength steel shave off 500 lbs between the 116 and the 126?


On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Gary Hurst  wrote:

> the weight is an outrage
>
>
>


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Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car

[Gary Hurst]

the weight is an outrage


On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 9:33 AM,  wrote:

> >
> http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2014-chevrolet-cruze-diesel-first-drive-review
> >
> > euro engine in a world car
>
>
> So the car that replaced the car that replaced the Cavalier weighs 3500lb
> with a four cylinder diesel in it?
>
> I'm thinking about that W201 with a 2.1 Bluetec in it and wondering what
> would happen if you stuck the Cruze diesel in an old z-24. I bet it'd go
> 0-60 in a lot less than 8 seconds.
>
> Mitch.
>
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Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car

[mlh]

Looks like a 55 gallon drum of 'diesel exhaust fluid' is about $150-200.
Mitch.

> Uh, oh.  No thanks.
> Gerry
>
> Snip.Compared to the gas-powered Cruze, you also lose a couple cubic
> feet of rear cargo space thanks to a 17-liter diesel emission fluid tank.
> That urea fluid, which helps put the clean in clean diesel, will need to
> be
> refilled at least every 10,000 miles.snip




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Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car

[Gerry Archer]

Uh, oh.  No thanks.
Gerry

Snip.Compared to the gas-powered Cruze, you also lose a couple cubic 
feet of rear cargo space thanks to a 17-liter diesel emission fluid tank. 
That urea fluid, which helps put the clean in clean diesel, will need to be 
refilled at least every 10,000 miles.snip

  
http://www.autoblog.com/2013/02/07/2014-chevy-cruze-diesel-arrives-with-42-mpg-for-25-695/

From: "Gary Hurst" 

wow.  is it a daewoo motor?

On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 2:23 AM, clay  wrote:

Came out in late May.
clay

On Sep 1, 2013, at 11:05 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:
> there is a diesel chevy cruze???
>
> On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 1:31 AM, clay  wrote:
>> Maybe the diesel Cruze.  I hear the petrol ones get quite good 
>> mileage.

>> clay
>>
>>>   wrote:
>> Also, which company has the most reasonably priced parts?
>
> Moot point on a new car.
 G:  Not if you keep them for 30 years.  (grin)

>>> Which is why I didn't recommend the new Dodge Dart.  It's a worthy
>>> competitor to the Fusion IMHO and gets closer to 40 mpg on the 
>>> highway,
>> but they aren't selling too well and I have my doubts that Chrysler 
>> will be
>>> around in five years.  I predict that Fiat will bungle their 
>>> acquisition of
>>> the company, cut their losses just like Daimler did, and the only 
>>> part

of the company left standing will be Jeep, which'll probably be bought by
>> one of the Japanese companies (rebadged Land Cruiser as the new Grand
>>> Cherokee?).
>>> Alex 



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Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car

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> http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2014-chevrolet-cruze-diesel-first-drive-review
>
> euro engine in a world car


So the car that replaced the car that replaced the Cavalier weighs 3500lb
with a four cylinder diesel in it?

I'm thinking about that W201 with a 2.1 Bluetec in it and wondering what
would happen if you stuck the Cruze diesel in an old z-24. I bet it'd go
0-60 in a lot less than 8 seconds.

Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car

[Curt Raymond]

I was under the impression that the Dart was smaller, more like the Focus than 
the Fusion. I see a few of them around, more than the Chevy Volt...

I agree Chrysler still seems to be run by bunglers that can't seem to get their 
act together.

-Curt

Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 20:39:03 -0700
From: Alex Chamberlain 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car
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On Aug 31, 2013 6:29 PM, "Gerry Archer"  wrote:

>>
>>> Also, which company has the most reasonably priced parts?
>>
>>
>> Moot point on a new car.
>
>
> G:  Not if you keep them for 30 years.  (grin)
>

Which is why I didn't recommend the new Dodge Dart.  It's a worthy
competitor to the Fusion IMHO and gets closer to 40 mpg on the highway, but
they aren't selling too well and I have my doubts that Chrysler will be
around in five years.  I predict that Fiat will bungle their acquisition of
the company, cut their losses just like Daimler did, and the only part of
the company left standing will be Jeep, which'll probably be bought by one
of the Japanese companies (rebadged Land Cruiser as the new Grand
Cherokee?).

Alex
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Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car

[clay]

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2014-chevrolet-cruze-diesel-first-drive-review

euro engine in a world car

clay

On Sep 1, 2013, at 11:26 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:

> wow.  is it a daewoo motor?
> 
> 
> On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 2:23 AM, clay  wrote:
> 
>> Came out in late May.
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>> On Sep 1, 2013, at 11:05 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:
>> 
>>> there is a diesel chevy cruze???
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 1:31 AM, clay  wrote:
>>> 
 Maybe the diesel Cruze.  I hear the petrol ones get quite good mileage.
 
 clay
 
 On Aug 31, 2013, at 8:39 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote:
 
> On Aug 31, 2013 6:29 PM, "Gerry Archer" 
>> wrote:
> 
>>> 
 Also, which company has the most reasonably priced parts?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Moot point on a new car.
>> 
>> 
>> G:  Not if you keep them for 30 years.  (grin)
>> 
> 
> Which is why I didn't recommend the new Dodge Dart.  It's a worthy
> competitor to the Fusion IMHO and gets closer to 40 mpg on the highway,
 but
> they aren't selling too well and I have my doubts that Chrysler will be
> around in five years.  I predict that Fiat will bungle their
>> acquisition
 of
> the company, cut their losses just like Daimler did, and the only part
>> of
> the company left standing will be Jeep, which'll probably be bought by
 one
> of the Japanese companies (rebadged Land Cruiser as the new Grand
> Cherokee?).
> 
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Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car

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wow.  is it a daewoo motor?


On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 2:23 AM, clay  wrote:

> Came out in late May.
>
> clay
>
> On Sep 1, 2013, at 11:05 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:
>
> > there is a diesel chevy cruze???
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 1:31 AM, clay  wrote:
> >
> >> Maybe the diesel Cruze.  I hear the petrol ones get quite good mileage.
> >>
> >> clay
> >>
> >> On Aug 31, 2013, at 8:39 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Aug 31, 2013 6:29 PM, "Gerry Archer" 
> wrote:
> >>>
> >
> >> Also, which company has the most reasonably priced parts?
> >
> >
> > Moot point on a new car.
> 
> 
>  G:  Not if you keep them for 30 years.  (grin)
> 
> >>>
> >>> Which is why I didn't recommend the new Dodge Dart.  It's a worthy
> >>> competitor to the Fusion IMHO and gets closer to 40 mpg on the highway,
> >> but
> >>> they aren't selling too well and I have my doubts that Chrysler will be
> >>> around in five years.  I predict that Fiat will bungle their
> acquisition
> >> of
> >>> the company, cut their losses just like Daimler did, and the only part
> of
> >>> the company left standing will be Jeep, which'll probably be bought by
> >> one
> >>> of the Japanese companies (rebadged Land Cruiser as the new Grand
> >>> Cherokee?).
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car

[clay]

Came out in late May.

clay

On Sep 1, 2013, at 11:05 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:

> there is a diesel chevy cruze???
> 
> 
> On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 1:31 AM, clay  wrote:
> 
>> Maybe the diesel Cruze.  I hear the petrol ones get quite good mileage.
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>> On Aug 31, 2013, at 8:39 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote:
>> 
>>> On Aug 31, 2013 6:29 PM, "Gerry Archer"  wrote:
>>> 
> 
>> Also, which company has the most reasonably priced parts?
> 
> 
> Moot point on a new car.
 
 
 G:  Not if you keep them for 30 years.  (grin)
 
>>> 
>>> Which is why I didn't recommend the new Dodge Dart.  It's a worthy
>>> competitor to the Fusion IMHO and gets closer to 40 mpg on the highway,
>> but
>>> they aren't selling too well and I have my doubts that Chrysler will be
>>> around in five years.  I predict that Fiat will bungle their acquisition
>> of
>>> the company, cut their losses just like Daimler did, and the only part of
>>> the company left standing will be Jeep, which'll probably be bought by
>> one
>>> of the Japanese companies (rebadged Land Cruiser as the new Grand
>>> Cherokee?).
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car

[Gary Hurst]

there is a diesel chevy cruze???


On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 1:31 AM, clay  wrote:

> Maybe the diesel Cruze.  I hear the petrol ones get quite good mileage.
>
> clay
>
> On Aug 31, 2013, at 8:39 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote:
>
> > On Aug 31, 2013 6:29 PM, "Gerry Archer"  wrote:
> >
> >>>
>  Also, which company has the most reasonably priced parts?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Moot point on a new car.
> >>
> >>
> >> G:  Not if you keep them for 30 years.  (grin)
> >>
> >
> > Which is why I didn't recommend the new Dodge Dart.  It's a worthy
> > competitor to the Fusion IMHO and gets closer to 40 mpg on the highway,
> but
> > they aren't selling too well and I have my doubts that Chrysler will be
> > around in five years.  I predict that Fiat will bungle their acquisition
> of
> > the company, cut their losses just like Daimler did, and the only part of
> > the company left standing will be Jeep, which'll probably be bought by
> one
> > of the Japanese companies (rebadged Land Cruiser as the new Grand
> > Cherokee?).
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Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car

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Maybe the diesel Cruze.  I hear the petrol ones get quite good mileage.

clay

On Aug 31, 2013, at 8:39 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote:

> On Aug 31, 2013 6:29 PM, "Gerry Archer"  wrote:
> 
>>> 
 Also, which company has the most reasonably priced parts?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Moot point on a new car.
>> 
>> 
>> G:  Not if you keep them for 30 years.  (grin)
>> 
> 
> Which is why I didn't recommend the new Dodge Dart.  It's a worthy
> competitor to the Fusion IMHO and gets closer to 40 mpg on the highway, but
> they aren't selling too well and I have my doubts that Chrysler will be
> around in five years.  I predict that Fiat will bungle their acquisition of
> the company, cut their losses just like Daimler did, and the only part of
> the company left standing will be Jeep, which'll probably be bought by one
> of the Japanese companies (rebadged Land Cruiser as the new Grand
> Cherokee?).
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Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car

[clay]

Make sure the VW is NEW.  Used VW are not as reliable and even the sales people 
at dealerships steer clear of them.

clay
On Aug 31, 2013, at 6:58 PM, OK Don wrote:

> OK, given those parameters, go to your nearest VW dealer and test drive a
> Passat TDI - you might like it. I don't find the seats quite as comfortable
> as a Mercedes seat, but my wife can't tell the difference. Otherwise it
> meets all your requirements, with the cost of parts being an unknown (for
> me at least).
> I actually thought the Passat drove better than the new C class MB when I
> was shopping a couple of years ago.
> The AC did great today driving around town with a little highway time at
> 102F.
> 
> 
> On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 8:29 PM, Gerry Archer wrote:
> 
>> On Aug 31, 2013 12:52 PM, "Gerry Archer"  wrote:
>>> 
 Okay, you convinced me.  What's the
 best riding, best seated car for long
 trips that can be bought for around
 $25K or less?
 
>>> 
>>> New?  Ford Fusion ticks all your boxes for comfort, reliability, and good
>>> climate control.  Get the four instead of the V-6, it's plenty powerful
>>> and
>>> easily gets 30mpg on the highway.
>>> Alex
>>> 
>> 
>> I agree completely since my son has a hybrid Fusion.  Problem is that I'm
>> looking for around 40 mpg on the highway and 30 mpg around town.  Hybrid
>> Fusions cost about $10K more than I want to spend.  Corollas, which are
>> selling around here fairly cheaply, get up to 40 mpg on the highway, but
>> I'd
>> rather pay a little more and get something that's a little heavier and
>> hopefully safer.
>> Gerry
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Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car

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Gerry Archer wrote:


I agree completely since my son has a hybrid Fusion.  Problem is that I'm
looking for around 40 mpg on the highway and 30 mpg around town.  Hybrid
Fusions cost about $10K more than I want to spend.  Corollas, which are
selling around here fairly cheaply, get up to 40 mpg on the highway, but
I'd
rather pay a little more and get something that's a little heavier and
hopefully safer.
Gerry


Friend of mine has a 2013 CVT Sentra. Lifetime MPG keeps creeping up, most
tanks are over 40mpg now, I think he's at about 38mpg since he bought it.

Mitch.


That's good to know.  I've had friends who loved Nissans and got many miles
and many years out of them.  I'll have to check those out.
Thanks,
Gerry


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The Passat is now at 13,300 miles and the average over that time is 44mpg,
with a one time high of 53. Wife gets about 33mpg dirving around town in it.


On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 3:23 PM, Mitch Haley  wrote:
>
>
> Friend of mine has a 2013 CVT Sentra. Lifetime MPG keeps creeping up, most
> tanks are over 40mpg now, I think he's at about 38mpg since he bought it.
>
> Mitch.
>
>


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Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car

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Gerry Archer wrote:


I agree completely since my son has a hybrid Fusion.  Problem is that I'm
looking for around 40 mpg on the highway and 30 mpg around town.  Hybrid
Fusions cost about $10K more than I want to spend.  Corollas, which are
selling around here fairly cheaply, get up to 40 mpg on the highway, but 
I'd

rather pay a little more and get something that's a little heavier and
hopefully safer.
Gerry


Friend of mine has a 2013 CVT Sentra. Lifetime MPG keeps creeping up, most tanks 
are over 40mpg now, I think he's at about 38mpg since he bought it.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car

[Gerry Archer]

On Aug 31, 2013 6:29 PM, "Gerry Archer"  wrote:

Also, which company has the most reasonably priced parts?


Moot point on a new car.


G:  Not if you keep them for 30 years.  (grin)



Which is why I didn't recommend the new Dodge Dart.  It's a worthy
competitor to the Fusion IMHO and gets closer to 40 mpg on the highway, 
but

they aren't selling too well and I have my doubts that Chrysler will be
around in five years.  I predict that Fiat will bungle their acquisition 
of

the company, cut their losses just like Daimler did, and the only part of
the company left standing will be Jeep, which'll probably be bought by one
of the Japanese companies (rebadged Land Cruiser as the new Grand
Cherokee?).

Alex


That sounds like a very possible scenario.  It's a shame, too, since 
Chrysler has built some exceptional cars in the past.  I had a Plymouth and 
a Dodge with those nearly unbreakeable slant sixes hooked to 747 
transmissions.  Tuned up, and with careful driving, they would get 25 mpg.
Gerry 



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Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car

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My take on really good car for long trips would be an S series benz.

I drove to Colorado and back this past July 4th week.  Covered 1250 miles in 22 
hours, all in one sitting.  No sore butt, cold air and other than having to 
stay awake, not too tired after the trip.  Got back home to Seattle in 18.79 
hours, same route.  This was in the 2002 S430.

The #1 boy got his 92 300SE back in shape, so it is road worthy.  That thing 
has ICE cold air.  A major surprise to me in how quickly nipples become glass 
cutters in that thing.  Comfortable seats that would be great for long trips as 
well.  For a 20 year old car, the passengers must have been tiny chinese dames, 
as there is no wear on the leather and seats are pretty close to factory 
plumpness and spring.

YMMV, but the benz seems to hold up well if treated relatively well.  Quality 
between the w140 and the w220 is noticeable.  Far less oriental cheapness in 
the older model.  Both cars came in well under $20k.  Both would be a really 
nice #2 condition at sale.  

clay 

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On Aug 31, 2013, at 12:07 PM, Gerry Archer wrote:

> Okay, you convinced me.  What's the best riding, best seated car for long 
> trips that can be bought for around $25K or less?
> Also, which company has the most reasonably priced parts?  Coldest air 
> conditioning?
> Also, what's a SanGauge?  Internet turns up nothing related to car repair.
> Gerry
> 
> From: "Curt Raymond" 
> I think that argument (which goes back a long time) is a waste of breath. 
> I've got a 2003 Ranger - zero electronics failures. My '96 Dodge Dakota had 
> the oil pressure sender fail, cheap easy fix. My '88 GMC - zero electronics 
> failures. My wife's '91 Ford Tempo used to have ignition controller failures 
> every 25,000 miles or so. It was a simple fix, you were supposed to buy a 
> special tool but I modified an 8mm socket to fit. I think the controller was 
> $25 or $30...
> 
> Everybody says "you can't work on cars anymore" which is ever so much bunk. 
> Sure you need a SanGauge or VAG-COM but its really just a special wrench.
> 
> 
> -Curt
> 
> 
> Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 17:22:11 -0400
> From: "Gerry Archer" 
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Subject: [MBZ] New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car
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> 
> What's the aftermarket parts situation on Japanese cars, Gary? Which model
> has the largest "installed base"? Camry? Accord? Civic? 
> One disturbing factor about new and initially less troublesome cars is the
> cost of the electronic modules that seem to run everything; engine,
> transmission, etc., etc. If cheaper aftermarket modules were available for
> when the car gets a few years older, I'd probably buy a new, trouble free
> car primarily for the purpose of making out-of-county trips. These old
> Mercedes are great locally, but a breakdown on a long trip could get very
> expensive with days in a motel.
> Gerry
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Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car

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On Aug 31, 2013 6:29 PM, "Gerry Archer"  wrote:

>>
>>> Also, which company has the most reasonably priced parts?
>>
>>
>> Moot point on a new car.
>
>
> G:  Not if you keep them for 30 years.  (grin)
>

Which is why I didn't recommend the new Dodge Dart.  It's a worthy
competitor to the Fusion IMHO and gets closer to 40 mpg on the highway, but
they aren't selling too well and I have my doubts that Chrysler will be
around in five years.  I predict that Fiat will bungle their acquisition of
the company, cut their losses just like Daimler did, and the only part of
the company left standing will be Jeep, which'll probably be bought by one
of the Japanese companies (rebadged Land Cruiser as the new Grand
Cherokee?).

Alex
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Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car

[Gerry Archer]

I'll do that next time I'm in Ocala which is the closest dealer.  Hopefully 
his prices are better than the local dealers.  I've read a lot of good 
things about the Passat and nothing bad.
I drove a Mercedes C class loaner from the dealer and wasn't impressed 
either; especially with the ride.

Gerry

From: "OK Don" 

OK, given those parameters, go to your nearest VW dealer and test drive a
Passat TDI - you might like it. I don't find the seats quite as 
comfortable

as a Mercedes seat, but my wife can't tell the difference. Otherwise it
meets all your requirements, with the cost of parts being an unknown (for
me at least).
I actually thought the Passat drove better than the new C class MB when I
was shopping a couple of years ago.
The AC did great today driving around town with a little highway time at
102F.

On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 8:29 PM, Gerry Archer 
wrote:



On Aug 31, 2013 12:52 PM, "Gerry Archer"  wrote:



Okay, you convinced me.  What's the
best riding, best seated car for long
trips that can be bought for around
$25K or less?



New?  Ford Fusion ticks all your boxes for comfort, reliability, and 
good

climate control.  Get the four instead of the V-6, it's plenty powerful
and
easily gets 30mpg on the highway.
Alex



I agree completely since my son has a hybrid Fusion.  Problem is that I'm
looking for around 40 mpg on the highway and 30 mpg around town.  Hybrid
Fusions cost about $10K more than I want to spend.  Corollas, which are
selling around here fairly cheaply, get up to 40 mpg on the highway, but
I'd
rather pay a little more and get something that's a little heavier and
hopefully safer.
Gerry



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Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car

[Gerry Archer]

From: "Curt Raymond" 

"Best" is a very relative concept. I like the Jetta/Passat. A gasser of 
either will run in the $18-20k range, the TDI Jetta starts around $23k with 
the Passat about $3k more.


G:  Those are good prices.

My in-laws have a Fusion, I think theirs is a 2008. Its a very good toaster 
of a car. Boring as all get out but gets you from here to there. If I were 
wanting toaster transportation I'd probably go with that, for a bit more 
driving excitement a Jetta/Passat with preference to the TDI.


G:  As I mentioned in another email, my son has a Fusion Hybrid, but you 
can't touch one for $25K around here.  That would be a great choice since 
it's a good solid car that rides well and has comfortable seats.  My son 
averaged 37 mpg between Nashville and Orlando driving 80 mph.


I'm not a good judge of air-conditioning, we so rarely "need" it. The last 
couple days commuting its been relatively warm but although the AC works on 
my 190D I rarely use it, I can handle the heat just fine...


-Curt

G:  The Fusion Hybrid A/C could have frozen us out on a 200 mile trip we 
made.


Thanks,
Gerry


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Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car

[OK Don]

IIRC, there are at least three different seat options (that come with the
different trim levels) - should be one that will work for you. We have the
middle one - electric drivers seat, manual passengers seat.

FYI, we bought a set of Oregon Aero seat cushions for the 182 - they make a
HUGE difference in comfort. Wife won't fly without hers now.


On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 9:10 PM, WILTON  wrote:

> 'Hate to admit it, but I may hafta do that, too.
>
> First thing I'll hafta do is get that seat a little higher and more
> MB-like upright than the too-laid-back one former DIL was looking at.
>  'Haven't seen the one she bought.
>
> Wilton
>
>
>>
>


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Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car

[WILTON]

'Hate to admit it, but I may hafta do that, too.

First thing I'll hafta do is get that seat a little higher and more MB-like 
upright than the too-laid-back one former DIL was looking at.  'Haven't seen 
the one she bought.


Wilton

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OK, given those parameters, go to your nearest VW dealer and test drive a
Passat TDI - you might like it. I don't find the seats quite as 
comfortable

as a Mercedes seat, but my wife can't tell the difference. Otherwise it
meets all your requirements, with the cost of parts being an unknown (for
me at least).
I actually thought the Passat drove better than the new C class MB when I
was shopping a couple of years ago.
The AC did great today driving around town with a little highway time at
102F.


On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 8:29 PM, Gerry Archer 
wrote:



On Aug 31, 2013 12:52 PM, "Gerry Archer"  wrote:



Okay, you convinced me.  What's the
best riding, best seated car for long
trips that can be bought for around
$25K or less?



New?  Ford Fusion ticks all your boxes for comfort, reliability, and 
good

climate control.  Get the four instead of the V-6, it's plenty powerful
and
easily gets 30mpg on the highway.
Alex



I agree completely since my son has a hybrid Fusion.  Problem is that I'm
looking for around 40 mpg on the highway and 30 mpg around town.  Hybrid
Fusions cost about $10K more than I want to spend.  Corollas, which are
selling around here fairly cheaply, get up to 40 mpg on the highway, but
I'd
rather pay a little more and get something that's a little heavier and
hopefully safer.
Gerry



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Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car

[OK Don]

OK, given those parameters, go to your nearest VW dealer and test drive a
Passat TDI - you might like it. I don't find the seats quite as comfortable
as a Mercedes seat, but my wife can't tell the difference. Otherwise it
meets all your requirements, with the cost of parts being an unknown (for
me at least).
I actually thought the Passat drove better than the new C class MB when I
was shopping a couple of years ago.
The AC did great today driving around town with a little highway time at
102F.


On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 8:29 PM, Gerry Archer wrote:

> On Aug 31, 2013 12:52 PM, "Gerry Archer"  wrote:
>>
>>> Okay, you convinced me.  What's the
>>> best riding, best seated car for long
>>> trips that can be bought for around
>>> $25K or less?
>>>
>>
>> New?  Ford Fusion ticks all your boxes for comfort, reliability, and good
>> climate control.  Get the four instead of the V-6, it's plenty powerful
>> and
>> easily gets 30mpg on the highway.
>> Alex
>>
>
> I agree completely since my son has a hybrid Fusion.  Problem is that I'm
> looking for around 40 mpg on the highway and 30 mpg around town.  Hybrid
> Fusions cost about $10K more than I want to spend.  Corollas, which are
> selling around here fairly cheaply, get up to 40 mpg on the highway, but
> I'd
> rather pay a little more and get something that's a little heavier and
> hopefully safer.
> Gerry
>
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Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car

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Gerry wrote;
I agree completely since my son has a hybrid Fusion.  Problem is that I'm
looking for around 40 mpg on the highway and 30 mpg around town.  Hybrid
Fusions cost about $10K more than I want to spend.  Corollas, which are
selling around here fairly cheaply, get up to 40 mpg on the highway, but I'd
rather pay a little more and get something that's a little heavier and
hopefully safer.
Gerry

Not likely to find what you are looking for.
2007 or 2008 MB E320 CDI might come close...



Rick Knoble

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Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car

[Gerry Archer]

On Aug 31, 2013, at 2:52 PM, "Gerry Archer" 
wrote:

Okay, you convinced me.  What's the best riding, best seated car for long
trips that can be bought for around $25K or less?


New or used?


G:  New.



Also, which company has the most reasonably priced parts?


Moot point on a new car.


G:  Not if you keep them for 30 years.  (grin)



  Coldest air conditioning?


No clue.


Also, what's a SanGauge?  Internet turns up nothing related to car repair


Maybe he meant scangauge? OBD2 reader?

http://www.scangauge.com/
Rick


Thanks,
Gerry


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Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car

[Gerry Archer]

On Aug 31, 2013 12:52 PM, "Gerry Archer"  wrote:

Okay, you convinced me.  What's the
best riding, best seated car for long
trips that can be bought for around
$25K or less?


New?  Ford Fusion ticks all your boxes for comfort, reliability, and good
climate control.  Get the four instead of the V-6, it's plenty powerful
and
easily gets 30mpg on the highway.
Alex


I agree completely since my son has a hybrid Fusion.  Problem is that I'm
looking for around 40 mpg on the highway and 30 mpg around town.  Hybrid
Fusions cost about $10K more than I want to spend.  Corollas, which are
selling around here fairly cheaply, get up to 40 mpg on the highway, but I'd
rather pay a little more and get something that's a little heavier and
hopefully safer.
Gerry


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Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car

[Curt Raymond]

"Best" is a very relative concept. I like the Jetta/Passat. A gasser of either 
will run in the $18-20k range, the TDI Jetta starts around $23k with the Passat 
about $3k more.

My in-laws have a Fusion, I think theirs is a 2008. Its a very good toaster of 
a car. Boring as all get out but gets you from here to there. If I were wanting 
toaster transportation I'd probably go with that, for a bit more driving 
excitement a Jetta/Passat with preference to the TDI.

I'm not a good judge of air-conditioning, we so rarely "need" it. The last 
couple days commuting its been relatively warm but although the AC works on my 
190D I rarely use it, I can handle the heat just fine...

-Curt

Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 15:07:36 -0400
From: "Gerry Archer" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] RE;  New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car
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Okay, you convinced me.  What's the best riding, best seated car for long 
trips that can be bought for around $25K or less?
Also, which company has the most reasonably priced parts?  Coldest air 
conditioning?
Also, what's a SanGauge?  Internet turns up nothing related to car repair.
Gerry

From: "Curt Raymond" 
I think that argument (which goes back a long time) is a waste of breath. 
I've got a 2003 Ranger - zero electronics failures. My '96 Dodge Dakota had 
the oil pressure sender fail, cheap easy fix. My '88 GMC - zero electronics 
failures. My wife's '91 Ford Tempo used to have ignition controller failures 
every 25,000 miles or so. It was a simple fix, you were supposed to buy a 
special tool but I modified an 8mm socket to fit. I think the controller was 
$25 or $30...

Everybody says "you can't work on cars anymore" which is ever so much bunk. 
Sure you need a SanGauge or VAG-COM but its really just a special wrench.


-Curt
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Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Aug 31, 2013 12:52 PM, "Gerry Archer"  wrote:
>
> Okay, you convinced me.  What's the
> best riding, best seated car for long
> trips that can be bought for around
> $25K or less?

New?  Ford Fusion ticks all your boxes for comfort, reliability, and good
climate control.  Get the four instead of the V-6, it's plenty powerful and
easily gets 30mpg on the highway.

Alex
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Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car

[Rick Knoble]

On Aug 31, 2013, at 2:52 PM, "Gerry Archer"  wrote:

> Okay, you convinced me.  What's the best riding, best seated car for long 
> trips that can be bought for around $25K or less?


New or used?

> Also, which company has the most reasonably priced parts?

Moot point on a new car. 

>   Coldest air conditioning?

No clue. 

> Also, what's a SanGauge?  Internet turns up nothing related to car repair

Maybe he meant scangauge? OBD2 reader?

http://www.scangauge.com/
Rick
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Re: [MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car

[Gerry Archer]

Okay, you convinced me.  What's the best riding, best seated car for long 
trips that can be bought for around $25K or less?
Also, which company has the most reasonably priced parts?  Coldest air 
conditioning?

Also, what's a SanGauge?  Internet turns up nothing related to car repair.
Gerry

From: "Curt Raymond" 
I think that argument (which goes back a long time) is a waste of breath. 
I've got a 2003 Ranger - zero electronics failures. My '96 Dodge Dakota had 
the oil pressure sender fail, cheap easy fix. My '88 GMC - zero electronics 
failures. My wife's '91 Ford Tempo used to have ignition controller failures 
every 25,000 miles or so. It was a simple fix, you were supposed to buy a 
special tool but I modified an 8mm socket to fit. I think the controller was 
$25 or $30...


Everybody says "you can't work on cars anymore" which is ever so much bunk. 
Sure you need a SanGauge or VAG-COM but its really just a special wrench.



-Curt


Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 17:22:11 -0400
From: "Gerry Archer" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Subject: [MBZ] New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car
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What's the aftermarket parts situation on Japanese cars, Gary? Which model
has the largest "installed base"? Camry? Accord? Civic? 
One disturbing factor about new and initially less troublesome cars is the
cost of the electronic modules that seem to run everything; engine,
transmission, etc., etc. If cheaper aftermarket modules were available for
when the car gets a few years older, I'd probably buy a new, trouble free
car primarily for the purpose of making out-of-county trips. These old
Mercedes are great locally, but a breakdown on a long trip could get very
expensive with days in a motel.
Gerry
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[MBZ] RE; New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car

[Curt Raymond]

I think that argument (which goes back a long time) is a waste of breath. I've 
got a 2003 Ranger - zero electronics failures. My '96 Dodge Dakota had the oil 
pressure sender fail, cheap easy fix. My '88 GMC - zero electronics failures. 
My wife's '91 Ford Tempo used to have ignition controller failures every 25,000 
miles or so. It was a simple fix, you were supposed to buy a special tool but I 
modified an 8mm socket to fit. I think the controller was $25 or $30...

Everybody says "you can't work on cars anymore" which is ever so much bunk. 
Sure you need a SanGauge or VAG-COM but its really just a special wrench.


-Curt


Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 17:22:11 -0400
From: "Gerry Archer" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Subject: [MBZ] New car expensive parts. was: my kinda car
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What's the aftermarket parts situation on Japanese cars, Gary? Which model 
has the largest "installed base"?  Camry?  Accord?  Civic?  
One disturbing factor about new and initially less troublesome cars is the 
cost of the electronic modules that seem to run everything; engine, 
transmission, etc., etc.  If cheaper aftermarket modules were available for 
when the car gets a few years older, I'd probably buy a new, trouble free 
car primarily for the purpose of making out-of-county trips.  These old 
Mercedes are great locally, but a breakdown on a long trip could get very 
expensive with days in a motel.
Gerry
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