Re: [MBZ] Rear Brake Job - 1983 240 D
You could set it just tight enough to hold the car in your relatively flat driveway. Then your wife could somehow manage to not notice they're on and drive 10 miles to work AND back. Mine's a 190D remember, its got a hand brake. I've always preferred the handbrake because I notice when its on... She complained the car didn't have any power so we went to take a ride so she could show me. When she pulled out of the driveway with the parking brake on I got out of the car and went in the house. -Curt Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 15:49:32 -0500 From: Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rear Brake Job - 1983 240 D To: Mercedes Discussion List Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii "MICHAEL ESH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I have pads and rotors on the rear. The parking brakes were fine, I > just cleaned them up a bit and adjusted and we are back in business. I always wondered, for a car with rear disks, how would the parking brakes ever really wear out? All they do is hold the car in place. I guess the cable could stretch a little over time and precipitate a need for adjustment... Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 - Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sat Jan 13 16:03:01 2007 Received: from fed1rmmtao07.cox.net ([68.230.241.32]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1H5lLR-0003BS-LK for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:03:01 + Received: from fed1rmimpo02.cox.net ([70.169.32.72]) by fed1rmmtao07.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.03 201-2131-130-104-20060516) with ESMTP id <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> for ; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 10:59:25 -0500 Received: from familycomp ([68.106.48.86]) by fed1rmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id Afzh1W00X1raWR8000; Sat, 13 Jan 2007 10:59:41 -0500 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> From: "Bob Rentfro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 08:59:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] was: rubbing compound on hood, now Correct Way to Wax X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: <http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Archive: List-Post: <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> List-Help: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Subscribe: <http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:03:03 - Peter explained: "The biggest mistake made is to apply pressure and soften the wax, whereupon it will stick to the cloth and not the paint. If you get wax on the cloth, you are pressing too hard, lighten up. You should be able to buff out the wax on the entire car without getting more than a trace on the cloth." Really? This is the first time I've ever heard it explained this way. Have I spent 35 years waxing incorrectly? Do I need to go kick my dad's arse? Bob Rentfro '77 300D 165K '87 Acura Legend 180K Litchfield Park, AZ
Re: [MBZ] Rear Brake Job - 1983 240 D
"Zoltan Finks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Allan, is there any way around having to give one's phone number and > full name before being able to browse that site? Hm. Though it says "german" auto parts, it is really focusd on VW, and to a lesser extent Audi. All the other marques ask for contact info since they don't have any on-line catalog. The pressure bleeder is under the "Tools" menu on the left hand side. No name/address needed. Here's a direct link. http://www.germanautoparts.com/tools You could also try emailing [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's been a coupla years since I ordered from him, but when I had my Jetta I used to get all my parts from him. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230
Re: [MBZ] Rear Brake Job - 1983 240 D
You can make one also --- http://www.bmw-m.net/TechProc/bleeder.htm On 1/12/07, Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Allan, is there any way around having to give one's phone number and full name before being able to browse that site? Brian On 1/10/07, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I have a pressure bleeder I bought from www.germanautoparts.com and I > would > never bleed any other way after having used that. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK "Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there." Will Rogers '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] Rear Brake Job - 1983 240 D
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > The W210 chassis is cute about that; it throws an error in the cluster > (instead of the odometer) that the parking brake is on and chirps at you, > then if your speed goes above 10mph or so (maybe 15mph) it will change the > illumination color of the message area from amber to RED and really squawk. > It sort of resolves the issue :) > My Ford has an even simpler way of avoiding this. If you put the shift lever into any forward gear, a vacuum servo under the dash pulls the parking brake release. This also means if you have to use the parking brake for its other function (emergency brake) it will spring-return instead of latching.
Re: [MBZ] Rear Brake Job - 1983 240 D
Have you tried a random number in your area code with a 555 exchange? Or perhaps use one of the "offshore" areacodes.. some of them are VERY expensive (dollars per minute) -j. -- Original message -- From: "Zoltan Finks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Allan, is there any way around having to give one's phone number and full > name before being able to browse that site? > > Brian > > > On 1/10/07, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I have a pressure bleeder I bought from www.germanautoparts.com and I > > would > > never bleed any other way after having used that. > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rear Brake Job - 1983 240 D
The W210 chassis is cute about that; it throws an error in the cluster (instead of the odometer) that the parking brake is on and chirps at you, then if your speed goes above 10mph or so (maybe 15mph) it will change the illumination color of the message area from amber to RED and really squawk. It sort of resolves the issue :) -j. > Also popular is leaving E-brake on then drive, which causes lots of > parts to be replaced, don't ask my wife about this...
Re: [MBZ] Rear Brake Job - 1983 240 D
Allan, is there any way around having to give one's phone number and full name before being able to browse that site? Brian On 1/10/07, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I have a pressure bleeder I bought from www.germanautoparts.com and I would never bleed any other way after having used that. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rear Brake Job - 1983 240 D
Wife, daughters, etc. - the list goes on - Also popular is leaving E-brake on then drive, which causes lots of parts to be replaced, don't ask my wife about this... John -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK "Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there." Will Rogers '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] Rear Brake Job - 1983 240 D
On Jan 12, 2007, at 1:46 PM, Werner Fehlauer wrote: E-brake shoes can disintegrate, dry out and crumble due to years of no use, and also can become useless if impregnated with grease from failed bearing seals. They do rarely "wear" out, as you said. The actuating cables and linkage can also fail due to rust and abuse, rendering the E-brake useless, too. Werner Also popular is leaving E-brake on then drive, which causes lots of parts to be replaced, don't ask my wife about this... John 1983 300TDt 374k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1990's 300TDt 184k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1993 500SEL 186k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
Re: [MBZ] Rear Brake Job - 1983 240 D
E-brake shoes can disintegrate, dry out and crumble due to years of no use, and also can become useless if impregnated with grease from failed bearing seals. They do rarely "wear" out, as you said. The actuating cables and linkage can also fail due to rust and abuse, rendering the E-brake useless, too. Werner - Original Message - From: "Allan Streib" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rear Brake Job - 1983 240 D "MICHAEL ESH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I have pads and rotors on the rear. The parking brakes were fine, I just cleaned them up a bit and adjusted and we are back in business. I always wondered, for a car with rear disks, how would the parking brakes ever really wear out? All they do is hold the car in place. I guess the cable could stretch a little over time and precipitate a need for adjustment... Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230
Re: [MBZ] Rear Brake Job - 1983 240 D
"MICHAEL ESH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I have pads and rotors on the rear. The parking brakes were fine, I > just cleaned them up a bit and adjusted and we are back in business. I always wondered, for a car with rear disks, how would the parking brakes ever really wear out? All they do is hold the car in place. I guess the cable could stretch a little over time and precipitate a need for adjustment... Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230
Re: [MBZ] Rear Brake Job - 1983 240 D
Thanks to all who helped. I have pads and rotors on the rear. The parking brakes were fine, I just cleaned them up a bit and adjusted and we are back in business. Mike - Original Message - From: "Werner Fehlauer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 7:12 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rear Brake Job - 1983 240 D Michael - if the design of that 240 is similar to my '83 126, be aware that the emergency brake shoes may not be worn out, but could be "soaked" in grease, if the rear wheel bearing seals are shot. On my '83SD, I suspected worn out E-brake shoes, which can just dry out and crumble away with age and non-use. Instead, they were found to be intact but useless due to being full of bearing grease - which then turned into a major job of removing the hubs, putting in new bearings, and getting everything properly adjusted with new brakes. That was when the car had less than 200k miles, and was an unusual situation. One of my problems is that the E-brake only gets used once every 2 years, when the car has to pass a state mechanical inspection - on the relatively flat lands around here, there is little or no need to use those brakes! Let's hope that in your case its just worn out linings - a bit of hassle to get in and properly adjust, but a lot less work and $$$ than replacing bearings. While you are in there looking around, you should check the CV joint boots for cracks or tears. Werner '90D 228k '83SD 223k - Original Message - From: "MICHAEL ESH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 6:33 PM Subject: [MBZ] Rear Brake Job - 1983 240 D I am replacing the brake pads, rotors and emergency brake shoes on my 1983 240 D in next week or so and was wondering if there is any thing else to check back there while I have things apart? Is there a way for a lay person to determine if the axles need attention? I have replaced the front calipers and pads already. I am not sure of the condition other than the pads are very worn and the car sat outside for at least three years before I bought it. I had to break loose the pads form the rotors before we could move it.The rear brakes squeal mildly occasionally especially after a highway trip however they quiet down fairly quickly. Also the emergency brake pedal isn't effective unless it is depressed almost all of the way. Any pointers would be appreciated. Thanks in advance, Mike in Michigan 1983 240D - 288000 miles 1982 300TD 1981 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rear Brake Job - 1983 240 D
Check the flexible lines that connect to the caliper. If they are old, or the age is unknown, replace them. This does involve opening up the brake system so you will have to bleed the brakes. I have a pressure bleeder I bought from www.germanautoparts.com and I would never bleed any other way after having used that. Check the rear sway bar links. If the little ball joints are loose or and dried out, these are cheap and easy to replace. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230
Re: [MBZ] Rear Brake Job - 1983 240 D
Check or change the "soft break" lines, replace the front brake wear indicator units, bleed system replace with a good brake fluid I use approved Valvoline synthetic if it has not been done in a few years or less depending on driving. Regards Tom Scordato - Original Message - From: "MICHAEL ESH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 6:33 PM Subject: [MBZ] Rear Brake Job - 1983 240 D I am replacing the brake pads, rotors and emergency brake shoes on my 1983 240 D in next week or so and was wondering if there is any thing else to check back there while I have things apart? Is there a way for a lay person to determine if the axles need attention? I have replaced the front calipers and pads already. I am not sure of the condition other than the pads are very worn and the car sat outside for at least three years before I bought it. I had to break loose the pads form the rotors before we could move it.The rear brakes squeal mildly occasionally especially after a highway trip however they quiet down fairly quickly. Also the emergency brake pedal isn't effective unless it is depressed almost all of the way. Any pointers would be appreciated. Thanks in advance, Mike in Michigan 1983 240D - 288000 miles 1982 300TD 1981 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Rear Brake Job - 1983 240 D
I am replacing the brake pads, rotors and emergency brake shoes on my 1983 240 D in next week or so and was wondering if there is any thing else to check back there while I have things apart? Is there a way for a lay person to determine if the axles need attention? I have replaced the front calipers and pads already. I am not sure of the condition other than the pads are very worn and the car sat outside for at least three years before I bought it. I had to break loose the pads form the rotors before we could move it.The rear brakes squeal mildly occasionally especially after a highway trip however they quiet down fairly quickly. Also the emergency brake pedal isn't effective unless it is depressed almost all of the way. Any pointers would be appreciated. Thanks in advance, Mike in Michigan 1983 240D - 288000 miles 1982 300TD 1981 300SD From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Jan 11 00:16:52 2007 Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net ([206.46.252.42]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1H4nci-0002b0-CP for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Thu, 11 Jan 2007 00:16:52 + Received: from WFlaptop ([141.150.249.119]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Wed, 10 Jan 2007 18:13:15 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 19:12:57 -0500 From: "Werner Fehlauer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rear Brake Job - 1983 240 D X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: <http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Archive: List-Post: <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> List-Help: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Subscribe: <http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 00:16:53 - Michael - if the design of that 240 is similar to my '83 126, be aware that the emergency brake shoes may not be worn out, but could be "soaked" in grease, if the rear wheel bearing seals are shot. On my '83SD, I suspected worn out E-brake shoes, which can just dry out and crumble away with age and non-use. Instead, they were found to be intact but useless due to being full of bearing grease - which then turned into a major job of removing the hubs, putting in new bearings, and getting everything properly adjusted with new brakes. That was when the car had less than 200k miles, and was an unusual situation. One of my problems is that the E-brake only gets used once every 2 years, when the car has to pass a state mechanical inspection - on the relatively flat lands around here, there is little or no need to use those brakes! Let's hope that in your case its just worn out linings - a bit of hassle to get in and properly adjust, but a lot less work and $$$ than replacing bearings. While you are in there looking around, you should check the CV joint boots for cracks or tears. Werner '90D 228k '83SD 223k - Original Message - From: "MICHAEL ESH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 6:33 PM Subject: [MBZ] Rear Brake Job - 1983 240 D >I am replacing the brake pads, rotors and emergency brake shoes on my 1983 >240 D in next week or so and was wondering if there is any thing else to >check back there while I have things apart? Is there a way for a lay person >to determine if the axles need attention? I have replaced the front >calipers and pads already. I am not sure of the condition other than the >pads are very worn and the car sat outside for at least three years before >I bought it. I had to break loose the pads form the rotors before we could >move it.The rear brakes squeal mildly occasionally especially after a >highway trip however they quiet down fairly quickly. Also the emergency >brake pedal isn't effective unless it is depressed almost all of the way. >Any pointers would be appreciated. > > Thanks in advance, > Mike in Michigan > 1983 240D - 288000 miles > 1982 300TD > 1981 300SD
