Re: [MBZ] Reviving a w115 300-D

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I will have to look at one sometime, I know the 240D didnt, at least I 
dont think so.


OK Don wrote:

Yes - all three of the 617 engined 115s I had (all '76) had them - a loop
cast in to the rear plate and a bracket with a hole at the front of the
engine.



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Re: [MBZ] Reviving a w115 300-D

[OK Don]

Yes - all three of the 617 engined 115s I had (all '76) had them - a loop
cast in to the rear plate and a bracket with a hole at the front of the
engine.

On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 9:03 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

> never seen the lift points on a 115, you sure about that?
>
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Re: [MBZ] Reviving a w115 300-D

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

never seen the lift points on a 115, you sure about that?

OK Don wrote:

My '76 115s had lift points on top 

On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 8:27 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:


you are correct, that is exactly how you do it on the diesels in a 115 or
earlier car.  In the later cars, they provide lift points up top.


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Re: [MBZ] Reviving a w115 300-D

[OK Don]

My '76 115s had lift points on top 

On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 8:27 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

> you are correct, that is exactly how you do it on the diesels in a 115 or
> earlier car.  In the later cars, they provide lift points up top.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Reviving a w115 300-D

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

you are correct, that is exactly how you do it on the diesels in a 115 
or earlier car.  In the later cars, they provide lift points up top.


tom tomscat wrote:

Hi,

 


I swapped out the motor several times on my 1975 W115 300D a few years back.  I 
was swapping engines between my 1975 and my 1976, and then (long story) I ended 
up swapping them back so probably a total of 3 removals and two 
installations.

 


I was given a tip:  you don't need an engine tilting mechanism.  Leave the 
tranny attached, then lift the engine by using a strap around the engine just 
behind the oil sump.  I used a cherry picker crane hoist.  The weight of the 
tranny gives the engine an almost perfect tilt to clear the firewall, front end 
and front grill assembly.  I did it singlehandedly in my garage, and I couldn't 
believe how easy it was.  The first time it took me less than 10 mins to 
maneuver it out.  The biggest problem I had was, while moving around the car 
checking all the clearances, I knocked over my coffee mug.  Twice!  :)

I did use a little scissor jack under the tranny for support.  And installation 
is the reverse of removal, of course.  One of the MB manuals---maybe Chilton's, 
I'm not sure--- has a pic of the process with the strap attached correctly.  
That properly positioned strap made the job a piece of cake.

 


BTW, I wish I had swapped in the block heater from the '76 to the '75 at the 
time, but that remains a project for. manana.  Or maybe the day after 
manana.  :)

 


Tom Schuch

1975 W115 300D

and a few BMWs

SE Connecticut

 

 

 

 

 

 


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Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 21:56:57 -0500
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I found it easier to attach the tranny outside the car, then install the

whole assembly- AFTER I got one of those engine tilting hoist accessories!
 
If you have the transmission attached, it will act as a lever to keep the

whole assembly from flopping. You just need to have someone hold the front
of the engine to make sure it stays upright.

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Re: [MBZ] Reviving a w115 300-D

[OK Don]

Yup - I've done it both ways, perfer the easy way now that I'm old.


> When we changed our '82 240D from 4 cylinders to 5, I had the engine and
> transmission on the ground and installed a block heater where none had
> been before. Then I rigged it up with a chain connected to a hoist and put
> it in the engine bay. We had a rope attached to the back of the
> transmission that went out behind the car. On a slightly sloping driveway
> with the front of the car pointing downhill, a friend and I man handled
> the hoist and the front of the engine while Shirley pulled on the rope at
> the rear, sitting on the ground with her feet braced on the rear bumper.
> It worked OK. But you're right, it would have been easier with one of
> those engine tilting jobbies.
>
>
> Craig
>
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[MBZ] Reviving a w115 300-D

[tom tomscat]

Hi,

 

I swapped out the motor several times on my 1975 W115 300D a few years back.  I 
was swapping engines between my 1975 and my 1976, and then (long story) I ended 
up swapping them back so probably a total of 3 removals and two 
installations.

 

I was given a tip:  you don't need an engine tilting mechanism.  Leave the 
tranny attached, then lift the engine by using a strap around the engine just 
behind the oil sump.  I used a cherry picker crane hoist.  The weight of the 
tranny gives the engine an almost perfect tilt to clear the firewall, front end 
and front grill assembly.  I did it singlehandedly in my garage, and I couldn't 
believe how easy it was.  The first time it took me less than 10 mins to 
maneuver it out.  The biggest problem I had was, while moving around the car 
checking all the clearances, I knocked over my coffee mug.  Twice!  :)

I did use a little scissor jack under the tranny for support.  And installation 
is the reverse of removal, of course.  One of the MB manuals---maybe Chilton's, 
I'm not sure--- has a pic of the process with the strap attached correctly.  
That properly positioned strap made the job a piece of cake.

 

BTW, I wish I had swapped in the block heater from the '76 to the '75 at the 
time, but that remains a project for. manana.  Or maybe the day after 
manana.  :)

 

Tom Schuch

1975 W115 300D

and a few BMWs

SE Connecticut

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 21:56:57 -0500
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I found it easier to attach the tranny outside the car, then install the
whole assembly- AFTER I got one of those engine tilting hoist accessories!
 
If you have the transmission attached, it will act as a lever to keep the
> whole assembly from flopping. You just need to have someone hold the front
> of the engine to make sure it stays upright.
>
> --
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Re: [MBZ] Reviving a w115 300-D

[Craig McCluskey]

On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 21:56:57 -0500 OK Don  wrote:

> I found it easier to attach the tranny outside the car, then install the
> whole assembly-  AFTER I got one of those engine tilting hoist
> accessories!
> 
> > If you have the transmission attached, it will act as a lever to keep
> > the whole assembly from flopping. You just need to have someone hold
> > the front of the engine to make sure it stays upright.

When we changed our '82 240D from 4 cylinders to 5, I had the engine and
transmission on the ground and installed a block heater where none had
been before. Then I rigged it up with a chain connected to a hoist and put
it in the engine bay. We had a rope attached to the back of the
transmission that went out behind the car. On a slightly sloping driveway
with the front of the car pointing downhill, a friend and I man handled
the hoist and the front of the engine while Shirley pulled on the rope at
the rear, sitting on the ground with her feet braced on the rear bumper.
It worked OK. But you're right, it would have been easier with one of
those engine tilting jobbies.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Reviving a w115 300-D

[Craig McCluskey]

On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 20:30:54 -0600 Craig McCluskey 
wrote:

> On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 05:50:06 -0800 Jim Cathey 
> wrote:
> 
> > > If it does not have a block heater, or the one it has is suspect,
> > > install/change it. It's MUCH easier with the engine out.
> > 
> > Access is much easier, but if you're removing the 3/4" pipe
> > plug for the first time it might actually help to have the
> > engine bolted into the car so you can supply sufficient
> > torque to actually remove it.
> > 
> > http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/frankenheap.html#blockheater
> 
> If you have the transmission attached, it will act as a lever to keep
> the whole assembly from flopping. You just need to have someone hold the
> front of the engine to make sure it stays upright.

I forgot to add: BTDT.


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Re: [MBZ] Reviving a w115 300-D

[Wonko the Sane]

Wait -- didn't he say he bought this from Kaleb? That might factor into the
fixability equation.

On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 9:56 PM, OK Don  wrote:

> I found it easier to attach the tranny outside the car, then install the
> whole assembly-  AFTER I got one of those engine tilting hoist accessories!
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Re: [MBZ] Reviving a w115 300-D

[OK Don]

I found it easier to attach the tranny outside the car, then install the
whole assembly-  AFTER I got one of those engine tilting hoist accessories!

 If you have the transmission attached, it will act as a lever to keep the
> whole assembly from flopping. You just need to have someone hold the front
> of the engine to make sure it stays upright.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Reviving a w115 300-D

[Craig McCluskey]

On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 05:50:06 -0800 Jim Cathey 
wrote:

> > If it does not have a block heater, or the one it has is suspect,
> > install/change it. It's MUCH easier with the engine out.
> 
> Access is much easier, but if you're removing the 3/4" pipe
> plug for the first time it might actually help to have the
> engine bolted into the car so you can supply sufficient
> torque to actually remove it.
> 
> http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/frankenheap.html#blockheater

If you have the transmission attached, it will act as a lever to keep the
whole assembly from flopping. You just need to have someone hold the front
of the engine to make sure it stays upright.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Reviving a w115 300-D

[Joe Sasser]

Thanks very much, Peter, I'll add that to the list of things to do.  
Already had figured on a change of fluids, and even a tranny service.


Joe




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While you have the engine out, replace the front subframe mounts and  
engine and transmission mounts.  Unless replaced recently, they are  
bad.


The engine mounts in particular are a pain with the engine in place.

Peter



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Re: [MBZ] Reviving a w115 300-D

[Peter Frederick]

While you have the engine out, replace the front subframe mounts and engine and 
transmission mounts.  Unless replaced recently, they are bad.

The engine mounts in particular are a pain with the engine in place.

Peter

-Original Message-
>From: Dimitri Seretakis 
>Sent: Mar 24, 2009 8:53 AM
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>
>Yeah like a 6 foot pipe over an 18 inch breaker bar!
>
>--- On Tue, 3/24/09, Jim Cathey  wrote:
>
>From: Jim Cathey 
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] Reviving a w115 300-D
>To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>Date: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, 9:50 AM
>
>> If it does not have a block heater, or the one it has is suspect,
>> install/change it. It's MUCH easier with the engine out.
>
>Access is much easier, but if you're removing the 3/4" pipe
>plug for the first time it might actually help to have the
>engine bolted into the car so you can supply sufficient
>torque to actually remove it.
>
>http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/frankenheap.html#blockheater
>
>-- Jim
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Reviving a w115 300-D

[Dimitri Seretakis]

Yeah like a 6 foot pipe over an 18 inch breaker bar!

--- On Tue, 3/24/09, Jim Cathey  wrote:

From: Jim Cathey 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Reviving a w115 300-D
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Date: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, 9:50 AM

> If it does not have a block heater, or the one it has is suspect,
> install/change it. It's MUCH easier with the engine out.

Access is much easier, but if you're removing the 3/4" pipe
plug for the first time it might actually help to have the
engine bolted into the car so you can supply sufficient
torque to actually remove it.

http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/frankenheap.html#blockheater

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Reviving a w115 300-D

[Jim Cathey]

If it does not have a block heater, or the one it has is suspect,
install/change it. It's MUCH easier with the engine out.


Access is much easier, but if you're removing the 3/4" pipe
plug for the first time it might actually help to have the
engine bolted into the car so you can supply sufficient
torque to actually remove it.

http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/frankenheap.html#blockheater

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Reviving a w115 300-D

[Craig McCluskey]

On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 08:07:31 -0500 Joe Sasser  wrote:

> 
> Hi all. In the next 3 months, I'll be reviving the blue w115 300-D  
> traded from Kaleb back in late '03.
> 
> The engine is from the '76 300-D I bought in CT in '99. Starts right  
> up, no major problems with it. But during the swap, I'm planning on
> changing out all belts/hoses and glow plugs.
> 
> This is the 1st time I've done anything this drastic, so am wondering  
> if there's anything missing that should also be done?


If it does not have a block heater, or the one it has is suspect,
install/change it. It's MUCH easier with the engine out.


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Re: [MBZ] Reviving a w115 300-D

[Dimitri Seretakis]

Fluids.

--- On Tue, 3/24/09, Joe Sasser  wrote:

From: Joe Sasser 
Subject: [MBZ] Reviving a w115 300-D
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Date: Tuesday, March 24, 2009, 9:07 AM


Hi all. In the next 3 months, I'll be reviving the blue w115 300-D traded from
Kaleb back in late '03.

The engine is from the '76 300-D I bought in CT in '99. Starts right up, no 
major
problems with it. But during the swap, I'm planning on changing out all 
belts/hoses
and glow plugs.

This is the 1st time I've done anything this drastic, so am wondering if there's
anything missing that should also be done?

Thanks much,

Joe

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[MBZ] Reviving a w115 300-D

[Joe Sasser]

Hi all. In the next 3 months, I'll be reviving the blue w115 300-D  
traded from

Kaleb back in late '03.

The engine is from the '76 300-D I bought in CT in '99. Starts right  
up, no major
problems with it. But during the swap, I'm planning on changing out  
all belts/hoses

and glow plugs.

This is the 1st time I've done anything this drastic, so am wondering  
if there's

anything missing that should also be done?

Thanks much,

Joe

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