Re: [MBZ] Saggy rear end
You just unbolt the shock and the control arm (2 bolts) and it comes right out. Jim Cathey wrote: >> I don't see lowering the rear diff would have gotten around this tab. > > IIRC, you lower the diff _and_ the subframe too. It all comes > down, relieving the springs somehow. > > -- Jim > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.2/1690 - Release Date: 9/25/2008 > 7:05 AM > -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Saggy rear end
> I don't see lowering the rear diff would have gotten around this tab. IIRC, you lower the diff _and_ the subframe too. It all comes down, relieving the springs somehow. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Saggy rear end
I don't see lowering the rear diff would have gotten around this tab. -Rolf Loren Faeth wrote: > See what Kaleb wrote. If there is a problem getting the springs out > with just the shocks loose, then you can cut loose the diff, and the > springs will drop out. Kleb should know what it takes to get springs > out of a 123. Unless the rubber parts have been replaced recently, > you WILL need new rubber spring perches/shims. There is also a > rubber perch for the tops. Get them also. I am betting that > replacing the shim perches will help most of the problem, but the > subframe mounts and the subframe bushings are also quite likely > causing part of the sag. For a beater, I am betting that just > working on the rubber parts above and below the springs will help > immensely. Don't be afraid to put in a size or 2 larger "shim" than > what came out. > > At 04:11 PM 9/24/2008, you wrote: > >> This is not always true, certainly not on my 85 300d. There is a tab on >> the subcarrier that the rear arm rests on preventing full decompression >> of the spring. The autozone rental spring compressor that goes through >> the middle works just fine. Curt needs to see what size shims he has in >> there now first and then go next size up. >> >> -Rolf >> >> Loren Faeth wrote: >> >>> buy the rubber "shims" You need no compressor on the rear. Just put >>> a separate jack under the outer end of the lower control arm (LCA), >>> then unbolt the shock. with the shock loose, the LCA will lower >>> enough, (under control of the jack) to let the spring drop out. You >>> may need to drop the diff too, but I don't think so. Been a while >>> since I did a 123, and the last one I did, i was rebuilding the whole >>> rear subframe. While putting in the shims, you will find out if the >>> springs are broken. The old 111 220Sb American model would need >>> springs replaced. On newer models, I tend to agree with >>> Marshall. bad springs are rare. >>> >>> At 02:36 PM 9/24/2008, you wrote: >>> >>> My wife pointed out yesterday that my pants have gotten a bit saggy, it turns out that since we've gotten the dog I've dropped nearly an entire waist size... Anyway the rear end of my 240D looks saggy and when I used to drive it would sag noticably while refueling. Fred and I talked about this the other day at the ChowdaQ and he reminded me that Marshall insisted that MB springs don't wear out... He also said somebody at Rusty's said they sold lots of 'em... They're $86 apiece from Rusty which seems reasonable if it'll fix the problem. He's also got spring shims in 9.5, 11 and 19mm which I vaugely remember Marshall saying were the way to fix saggy cars. The shims are MUCH less expensive, $6-$7 apiece. So should I just maybe get a couple 11mm shims? How does one install them, do I need a spring compressor? Thanks -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> Loren Faeth >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >>> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > Loren Faeth > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Saggy rear end
See what Kaleb wrote. If there is a problem getting the springs out with just the shocks loose, then you can cut loose the diff, and the springs will drop out. Kleb should know what it takes to get springs out of a 123. Unless the rubber parts have been replaced recently, you WILL need new rubber spring perches/shims. There is also a rubber perch for the tops. Get them also. I am betting that replacing the shim perches will help most of the problem, but the subframe mounts and the subframe bushings are also quite likely causing part of the sag. For a beater, I am betting that just working on the rubber parts above and below the springs will help immensely. Don't be afraid to put in a size or 2 larger "shim" than what came out. At 04:11 PM 9/24/2008, you wrote: >This is not always true, certainly not on my 85 300d. There is a tab on >the subcarrier that the rear arm rests on preventing full decompression >of the spring. The autozone rental spring compressor that goes through >the middle works just fine. Curt needs to see what size shims he has in >there now first and then go next size up. > >-Rolf > >Loren Faeth wrote: > > buy the rubber "shims" You need no compressor on the rear. Just put > > a separate jack under the outer end of the lower control arm (LCA), > > then unbolt the shock. with the shock loose, the LCA will lower > > enough, (under control of the jack) to let the spring drop out. You > > may need to drop the diff too, but I don't think so. Been a while > > since I did a 123, and the last one I did, i was rebuilding the whole > > rear subframe. While putting in the shims, you will find out if the > > springs are broken. The old 111 220Sb American model would need > > springs replaced. On newer models, I tend to agree with > > Marshall. bad springs are rare. > > > > At 02:36 PM 9/24/2008, you wrote: > > > >> My wife pointed out yesterday that my pants have gotten a bit saggy, > >> it turns out that since we've gotten the dog I've dropped nearly an > >> entire waist size... > >> > >> Anyway the rear end of my 240D looks saggy and when I used to drive > >> it would sag noticably while refueling. Fred and I talked about this > >> the other day at the ChowdaQ and he reminded me that Marshall > >> insisted that MB springs don't wear out... He also said somebody at > >> Rusty's said they sold lots of 'em... > >> They're $86 apiece from Rusty which seems reasonable if it'll fix > >> the problem. He's also got spring shims in 9.5, 11 and 19mm which I > >> vaugely remember Marshall saying were the way to fix saggy cars. The > >> shims are MUCH less expensive, $6-$7 apiece. > >> > >> So should I just maybe get a couple 11mm shims? How does one install > >> them, do I need a spring compressor? > >> > >> Thanks > >> > >> -Curt > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > > > > Loren Faeth > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com >For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Saggy rear end
You do not need a spring compressor to remove the rear springs. Most of the time its the subframe mounts and spring pads that cause sagging. Curt Raymond wrote: > My wife pointed out yesterday that my pants have gotten a bit saggy, it turns > out that since we've gotten the dog I've dropped nearly an entire waist > size... > > Anyway the rear end of my 240D looks saggy and when I used to drive it would > sag noticably while refueling. Fred and I talked about this the other day at > the ChowdaQ and he reminded me that Marshall insisted that MB springs don't > wear out... He also said somebody at Rusty's said they sold lots of 'em... > They're $86 apiece from Rusty which seems reasonable if it'll fix the > problem. He's also got spring shims in 9.5, 11 and 19mm which I vaugely > remember Marshall saying were the way to fix saggy cars. The shims are MUCH > less expensive, $6-$7 apiece. > > So should I just maybe get a couple 11mm shims? How does one install them, do > I need a spring compressor? > > Thanks > > -Curt > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.2/1689 - Release Date: 9/24/2008 > 6:51 PM > -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Saggy rear end
Have we verified that it isn't sagging due to subframe bushings or other parts? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Saggy rear end
This is not always true, certainly not on my 85 300d. There is a tab on the subcarrier that the rear arm rests on preventing full decompression of the spring. The autozone rental spring compressor that goes through the middle works just fine. Curt needs to see what size shims he has in there now first and then go next size up. -Rolf Loren Faeth wrote: > buy the rubber "shims" You need no compressor on the rear. Just put > a separate jack under the outer end of the lower control arm (LCA), > then unbolt the shock. with the shock loose, the LCA will lower > enough, (under control of the jack) to let the spring drop out. You > may need to drop the diff too, but I don't think so. Been a while > since I did a 123, and the last one I did, i was rebuilding the whole > rear subframe. While putting in the shims, you will find out if the > springs are broken. The old 111 220Sb American model would need > springs replaced. On newer models, I tend to agree with > Marshall. bad springs are rare. > > At 02:36 PM 9/24/2008, you wrote: > >> My wife pointed out yesterday that my pants have gotten a bit saggy, >> it turns out that since we've gotten the dog I've dropped nearly an >> entire waist size... >> >> Anyway the rear end of my 240D looks saggy and when I used to drive >> it would sag noticably while refueling. Fred and I talked about this >> the other day at the ChowdaQ and he reminded me that Marshall >> insisted that MB springs don't wear out... He also said somebody at >> Rusty's said they sold lots of 'em... >> They're $86 apiece from Rusty which seems reasonable if it'll fix >> the problem. He's also got spring shims in 9.5, 11 and 19mm which I >> vaugely remember Marshall saying were the way to fix saggy cars. The >> shims are MUCH less expensive, $6-$7 apiece. >> >> So should I just maybe get a couple 11mm shims? How does one install >> them, do I need a spring compressor? >> >> Thanks >> >> -Curt >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > Loren Faeth > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Saggy rear end
buy the rubber "shims" You need no compressor on the rear. Just put a separate jack under the outer end of the lower control arm (LCA), then unbolt the shock. with the shock loose, the LCA will lower enough, (under control of the jack) to let the spring drop out. You may need to drop the diff too, but I don't think so. Been a while since I did a 123, and the last one I did, i was rebuilding the whole rear subframe. While putting in the shims, you will find out if the springs are broken. The old 111 220Sb American model would need springs replaced. On newer models, I tend to agree with Marshall. bad springs are rare. At 02:36 PM 9/24/2008, you wrote: >My wife pointed out yesterday that my pants have gotten a bit saggy, >it turns out that since we've gotten the dog I've dropped nearly an >entire waist size... > >Anyway the rear end of my 240D looks saggy and when I used to drive >it would sag noticably while refueling. Fred and I talked about this >the other day at the ChowdaQ and he reminded me that Marshall >insisted that MB springs don't wear out... He also said somebody at >Rusty's said they sold lots of 'em... >They're $86 apiece from Rusty which seems reasonable if it'll fix >the problem. He's also got spring shims in 9.5, 11 and 19mm which I >vaugely remember Marshall saying were the way to fix saggy cars. The >shims are MUCH less expensive, $6-$7 apiece. > >So should I just maybe get a couple 11mm shims? How does one install >them, do I need a spring compressor? > >Thanks > >-Curt > > > > >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com >For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Saggy rear end
Curt, et al. Yup, a spring compressor is best. Funny you should mention that Fred Moir Lynn MA At 03:36 PM 9/24/2008, you wrote: >My wife pointed out yesterday that my pants have gotten a bit saggy, >it turns out that since we've gotten the dog I've dropped nearly an >entire waist size... >Anyway the rear end of my 240D looks saggy and when I used to drive >it would sag noticably while refueling. Fred and I talked about this >the other day at the ChowdaQ and he reminded me that Marshall >insisted that MB springs don't wear out... He also said somebody at >Rusty's said they sold lots of 'em... >They're $86 apiece from Rusty which seems reasonable if it'll fix >the problem. He's also got spring shims in 9.5, 11 and 19mm which I >vaugely remember Marshall saying were the way to fix saggy cars. The >shims are MUCH less expensive, $6-$7 apiece. >So should I just maybe get a couple 11mm shims? How does one install >them, do I need a spring compressor? >Thanks >-Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Saggy rear end
My wife pointed out yesterday that my pants have gotten a bit saggy, it turns out that since we've gotten the dog I've dropped nearly an entire waist size... Anyway the rear end of my 240D looks saggy and when I used to drive it would sag noticably while refueling. Fred and I talked about this the other day at the ChowdaQ and he reminded me that Marshall insisted that MB springs don't wear out... He also said somebody at Rusty's said they sold lots of 'em... They're $86 apiece from Rusty which seems reasonable if it'll fix the problem. He's also got spring shims in 9.5, 11 and 19mm which I vaugely remember Marshall saying were the way to fix saggy cars. The shims are MUCH less expensive, $6-$7 apiece. So should I just maybe get a couple 11mm shims? How does one install them, do I need a spring compressor? Thanks -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
