[MBZ] Soy oil
Just saw soy oil @ $31 for 35 lb jug - $6.74/gal! #2 @ $4.30/gal. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Soy oil
'Saw soy oil today at Sam's for $6.74/gal. in 35 lb. jug!! Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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It's not a bargain anymore,is it? On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 7:14 PM, Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: 'Saw soy oil today at Sam's for $6.74/gal. in 35 lb. jug!! Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Soy oil
Soy farmers thank you very much, too -- except, they fuel their tractors and combines and trucks with diesel, so it is probably a wash. On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 8:51 PM, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: It's not a bargain anymore,is it? On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 7:14 PM, Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'Saw soy oil today at Sam's for $6.74/gal. in 35 lb. jug!! Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Soy oil
Nope Wilton - Original Message - From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 9:51 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Soy oil It's not a bargain anymore,is it? On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 7:14 PM, Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: 'Saw soy oil today at Sam's for $6.74/gal. in 35 lb. jug!! Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Who is going to start importing Jatropha oil? Sigh. -Rolf Wilton Strickland wrote: 'Saw soy oil today at Sam's for $6.74/gal. in 35 lb. jug!! Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Soy oil price!
Thats part of it. The other part is supply and demand. A lot of farmers, when they wanted more money, just planted more acres. The price kept going down because increases in technology made each acre more productive... -Curt Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 22:00:46 -0400 From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Soy oil price! To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Soybeans had been at $4.50 a bushel for decades. It NEEDED to go up, loads of farmers were growing below the cost of production. How's that, has it been subsidized? Allan -- 1983 300D - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Soy oil price!
They need to farm like I garden - there would be no excess supply, and there would be no fat people, just hungry ones. On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 7:45 AM, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thats part of it. The other part is supply and demand. A lot of farmers, when they wanted more money, just planted more acres. The price kept going down because increases in technology made each acre more productive... -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Soy oil price!
Same here -- On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 11:19 PM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've actually never seen food-grade vegetable oil of any type ever cheaper per gallon than #2 diesel, and that's with all the road taxes on the #2. I never understood why anyone would buy it for fuel. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Putting fresh food in the tank was feasible in places where they paid $4 for fuel when we were paying $1. Of course the limey revenooers were actively prosecuting that, along with unlicensed possession of televisions. (You don't pay for BBC with donations like you do with PBS. In the UK you have to buy a license to turn on a telly, with the proceeds going to BBC to pay for the programming) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Soy oil price!
Nearly 3 yrs ago, I used soy oil from Sam's as Diesel fuel for about 4 months, 'cause it was cheaper than #2 and to see/learn how it does - 'did very well, too; engine quieter, smoother, etc.. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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the problem i've had with using any kind of vegi is that it acts as a solvent and brings up all the old fillth On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 9:49 AM, wilton strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nearly 3 yrs ago, I used soy oil from Sam's as Diesel fuel for about 4 months, 'cause it was cheaper than #2 and to see/learn how it does - 'did very well, too; engine quieter, smoother, etc.. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Soybeans had been at $4.50 a bushel for decades. It NEEDED to go up, loads of farmers were growing below the cost of production. -Curt Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 06:50:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Soy oil price! To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 soybeans were about $4.50/bushel not too long ago...they are now $13.00/bushel. Ditto Gary on inflation (FOR SURE) and probably OK Don as well on increased demand. Chris McCann between -00-00 and -99-99 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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My father-in-law is a dairy farmer, so I understand exactly what you are talking about. But why are soybeans up? Why is milk up? My father in law is happy to get more for his milk...but he is also paying way more to produce that milk. Silver cost $12/oz to mine and refine and it sold for about $4/oz for 20 years. Now it is $18-21/oz...are we making ethanol and biodiesel out of milk and silver? NO. It's mainly inflation (the loss of buying power of our currency) and that, in the long run, will not help farmers any more than us. Chris Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Soybeans had been at $4.50 a bushel for decades. It NEEDED to go up, loads of farmers were growing below the cost of production. -Curt Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 06:50:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher McCann Subject: Re: [MBZ] Soy oil price! To: Mercedes Discussion List Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 soybeans were about $4.50/bushel not too long ago...they are now $13.00/bushel. Ditto Gary on inflation (FOR SURE) and probably OK Don as well on increased demand. Chris McCann between -00-00 and -99-99 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Bünter u. Bügel Diesel Sales Service -1985 300SD, 370K km, Wulf, B20-getrieben -1992 350 Ram Wagon, 1 Ton, 58K mi, Der Abschleppwagen -'75 240D, '80 300SD, '85 300Dt, '84 300Dt '83 240D between -00-00 and -99-99 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yeahbut my farmer friends are making a swing of it now... Theres even some rumbling about renting out the 12 acres of my farm thats easily accesible... When somebody wants to rent little fields like mine (I've got a 40 acre field but the access stinks) you know they must be making some money... Northern Maine potatoes and oats are becoming much more valuable as the rest of the country goes into corn and soy. -Curt Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:57:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Soy oil price! To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 My father-in-law is a dairy farmer, so I understand exactly what you are talking about. But why are soybeans up? Why is milk up? My father in law is happy to get more for his milk...but he is also paying way more to produce that milk. Silver cost $12/oz to mine and refine and it sold for about $4/oz for 20 years. Now it is $18-21/oz...are we making ethanol and biodiesel out of milk and silver? NO. It's mainly inflation (the loss of buying power of our currency) and that, in the long run, will not help farmers any more than us. Chris Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Soybeans had been at $4.50 a bushel for decades. It NEEDED to go up, loads of farmers were growing below the cost of production. -Curt Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 06:50:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher McCann Subject: Re: [MBZ] Soy oil price! To: Mercedes Discussion List Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 soybeans were about $4.50/bushel not too long ago...they are now $13.00/bushel. Ditto Gary on inflation (FOR SURE) and probably OK Don as well on increased demand. Chris McCann between -00-00 and -99-99 hr size=1Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. a href=http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=51733/*http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ Try it now./a ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Soy oil price!
It's time to turn the back yard into a garden Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 8:17 PM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Soy oil price! Yeahbut my farmer friends are making a swing of it now... Theres even some rumbling about renting out the 12 acres of my farm thats easily accesible... When somebody wants to rent little fields like mine (I've got a 40 acre field but the access stinks) you know they must be making some money... Northern Maine potatoes and oats are becoming much more valuable as the rest of the country goes into corn and soy. -Curt Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:57:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Soy oil price! To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 My father-in-law is a dairy farmer, so I understand exactly what you are talking about. But why are soybeans up? Why is milk up? My father in law is happy to get more for his milk...but he is also paying way more to produce that milk. Silver cost $12/oz to mine and refine and it sold for about $4/oz for 20 years. Now it is $18-21/oz...are we making ethanol and biodiesel out of milk and silver? NO. It's mainly inflation (the loss of buying power of our currency) and that, in the long run, will not help farmers any more than us. Chris Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Soybeans had been at $4.50 a bushel for decades. It NEEDED to go up, loads of farmers were growing below the cost of production. -Curt Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 06:50:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher McCann Subject: Re: [MBZ] Soy oil price! To: Mercedes Discussion List Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 soybeans were about $4.50/bushel not too long ago...they are now $13.00/bushel. Ditto Gary on inflation (FOR SURE) and probably OK Don as well on increased demand. Chris McCann between -00-00 and -99-99 hr size=1Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. a href=http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=51733/*http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i 62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ Try it now./a ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.22.13/1377 - Release Date: 4/14/2008 9:26 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.22.13/1377 - Release Date: 4/14/2008 9:26 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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i live on granite. good for earthquakes, but i'm not sure how well it works for agriculture. On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 9:21 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's time to turn the back yard into a garden Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 8:17 PM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Soy oil price! Yeahbut my farmer friends are making a swing of it now... Theres even some rumbling about renting out the 12 acres of my farm thats easily accesible... When somebody wants to rent little fields like mine (I've got a 40 acre field but the access stinks) you know they must be making some money... Northern Maine potatoes and oats are becoming much more valuable as the rest of the country goes into corn and soy. -Curt Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:57:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Soy oil price! To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 My father-in-law is a dairy farmer, so I understand exactly what you are talking about. But why are soybeans up? Why is milk up? My father in law is happy to get more for his milk...but he is also paying way more to produce that milk. Silver cost $12/oz to mine and refine and it sold for about $4/oz for 20 years. Now it is $18-21/oz...are we making ethanol and biodiesel out of milk and silver? NO. It's mainly inflation (the loss of buying power of our currency) and that, in the long run, will not help farmers any more than us. Chris Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Soybeans had been at $4.50 a bushel for decades. It NEEDED to go up, loads of farmers were growing below the cost of production. -Curt Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 06:50:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher McCann Subject: Re: [MBZ] Soy oil price! To: Mercedes Discussion List Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 soybeans were about $4.50/bushel not too long ago...they are now $13.00/bushel. Ditto Gary on inflation (FOR SURE) and probably OK Don as well on increased demand. Chris McCann between -00-00 and -99-99 hr size=1Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. a href= http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=51733/*http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i 62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJhttp://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=51733/*http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ Try it now./a ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.22.13/1377 - Release Date: 4/14/2008 9:26 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.22.13/1377 - Release Date: 4/14/2008 9:26 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Soy oil price!
Raised bed garden. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 8:35 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Soy oil price! i live on granite. good for earthquakes, but i'm not sure how well it works for agriculture. On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 9:21 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's time to turn the back yard into a garden Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 8:17 PM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Soy oil price! Yeahbut my farmer friends are making a swing of it now... Theres even some rumbling about renting out the 12 acres of my farm thats easily accesible... When somebody wants to rent little fields like mine (I've got a 40 acre field but the access stinks) you know they must be making some money... Northern Maine potatoes and oats are becoming much more valuable as the rest of the country goes into corn and soy. -Curt Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:57:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Soy oil price! To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 My father-in-law is a dairy farmer, so I understand exactly what you are talking about. But why are soybeans up? Why is milk up? My father in law is happy to get more for his milk...but he is also paying way more to produce that milk. Silver cost $12/oz to mine and refine and it sold for about $4/oz for 20 years. Now it is $18-21/oz...are we making ethanol and biodiesel out of milk and silver? NO. It's mainly inflation (the loss of buying power of our currency) and that, in the long run, will not help farmers any more than us. Chris Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Soybeans had been at $4.50 a bushel for decades. It NEEDED to go up, loads of farmers were growing below the cost of production. -Curt Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 06:50:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher McCann Subject: Re: [MBZ] Soy oil price! To: Mercedes Discussion List Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 soybeans were about $4.50/bushel not too long ago...they are now $13.00/bushel. Ditto Gary on inflation (FOR SURE) and probably OK Don as well on increased demand. Chris McCann between -00-00 and -99-99 hr size=1Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. a href= http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=51733/*http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i 62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJhttp://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=51733/*http://mobile.yahoo .com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ Try it now./a ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.22.13/1377 - Release Date: 4/14/2008 9:26 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.22.13/1377 - Release Date: 4/14/2008 9:26 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.22.13/1377 - Release Date: 4/14/2008 9:26 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.22.13/1377 - Release Date: 4/14/2008 9:26 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Soy oil price!
Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Soybeans had been at $4.50 a bushel for decades. It NEEDED to go up, loads of farmers were growing below the cost of production. How's that, has it been subsidized? Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The local farmers (corn and soybeans) are kicking up their heels and have orders in for new pickup trucks. Now, if we could just get the farm subsidies to end, things might get right. But it isn't going to happen, because Iowa Farm Bureau owns some key Iowa Senators who sit in some very important positions when it comes to handing out our money. Ya know, I've lived in Iowa for more than a decade now, and I've yet to meet a poor farmer. They have bigger houses than I have, drive new cars (some a Benz), and seem to be well off. Most have assets in seven figures (or more), clear title. On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 12:37 PM, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Soybeans had been at $4.50 a bushel for decades. It NEEDED to go up, loads of farmers were growing below the cost of production. he -Curt Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 06:50:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Soy oil price! To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 soybeans were about $4.50/bushel not too long ago...they are now $13.00/bushel. Ditto Gary on inflation (FOR SURE) and probably OK Don as well on increased demand. Chris McCann between -00-00 and -99-99 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ http://don.homelinux.net/%7Edon/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Wonko the Sane wrote: Ya know, I've lived in Iowa for more than a decade now, and I've yet to meet a poor farmer. They have bigger houses than I have, drive new cars (some a Benz), and seem to be well off. Most have assets in seven figures (or more), clear title. Back in the early 70's (before OPEC tested out its muscles) I remember a farmer saying I don't know how the young guys are supposed to get started these days. If you don't already have $100k in the bank, forget it. That number was simply mind-boggling to me, we're talking 20 Corvettes here. These days I don't think $100k will buy you a good combine. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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All true. But here, the corporation (most are incorporated) is passed down thru the family. I was office manager for a corporate farm before I took my present retard job. EVERYTHING -- almost down to the purchase of toilet paper -- was charged against the corporation and was a tax write-off. This farm was at least three generations old. Even the houses where the owners lived were owned by the corporation. They didn't get a salary --- they got an Owner's Draw each month. (Lawyers, feel free to pipe in on this one.) A new guy starting to farm? Forget it. He wouldn't live to break even. A three or four generation farmer who already owns the land? Big bucks. On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 9:18 PM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wonko the Sane wrote: Ya know, I've lived in Iowa for more than a decade now, and I've yet to meet a poor farmer. They have bigger houses than I have, drive new cars (some a Benz), and seem to be well off. Most have assets in seven figures (or more), clear title. Back in the early 70's (before OPEC tested out its muscles) I remember a farmer saying I don't know how the young guys are supposed to get started these days. If you don't already have $100k in the bank, forget it. That number was simply mind-boggling to me, we're talking 20 Corvettes here. These days I don't think $100k will buy you a good combine. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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soybeans were about $4.50/bushel not too long ago...they are now $13.00/bushel. Ditto Gary on inflation (FOR SURE) and probably OK Don as well on increased demand. Chris McCann Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They probably raised it because everyone was buying to to burn in their car. wilton strickland wrote: 'Just saw soy oil at Sam's for $25.67 per 35 lb. jug; that's $5.58 per gallon!! Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: soybeans were about $4.50/bushel not too long ago...they are now $13.00/bushel. Ditto Gary on inflation (FOR SURE) and probably OK Don as well on increased demand. Maybe we'll soon wake up to the folly of the idea that it's better to use our food as fuel for our cars than it is to eat it... Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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every commodity price is going through the roof. are they still telling us there is no inflation or that lie has perhaps gone out the window? Sadly, the Federal Reserve Bank uses core inflation figures. Core inflation do NOT include energy prices or food prices in its computation. If they did interest rates would probably be going UP instead of down. Too bad for me that food and energy have made up over 20% of my budget so far this year. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchivesid=aohaOKFSvu.I http://65.89.19.70/research/data/us-inflation/mcpi.cfm http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.viewpageId=59409 http://www.stls.frb.org/publications/re/2002/a/pages/lead-article.html Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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we are mostly dependent on fuel and food. what the hell might they be counting that is a more important measure than those? On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 11:26 AM, Rick Knoble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: every commodity price is going through the roof. are they still telling us there is no inflation or that lie has perhaps gone out the window? Sadly, the Federal Reserve Bank uses core inflation figures. Core inflation do NOT include energy prices or food prices in its computation. If they did interest rates would probably be going UP instead of down. Too bad for me that food and energy have made up over 20% of my budget so far this year. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchivesid=aohaOKFSvu.I http://65.89.19.70/research/data/us-inflation/mcpi.cfm http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.viewpageId=59409 http://www.stls.frb.org/publications/re/2002/a/pages/lead-article.html Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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we are mostly dependent on fuel and food. what the hell might they be counting that is a more important measure than those? Probably a rhetorical question, but your answers lie within these two web pages. http://www.stls.frb.org/publications/re/2002/a/pages/lead-article.html http://www.clevelandfed.org/research/Inflation/US-Inflation/cpi.cfm Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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and let's not forget about adding in what you're supposed to be paying in Road Taxes for veggie oil that you use as fuel on public roads,... makes it look even *less* attractive! commercial BioD just went over $4/G here locally; still makes for a better deal (and that's with all taxes paid, and no conversions required of the vehicle). cheers! e Christopher McCann wrote: soybeans were about $4.50/bushel not too long ago...they are now $13.00/bushel. Ditto Gary on inflation (FOR SURE) and probably OK Don as well on increased demand. Chris McCann Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They probably raised it because everyone was buying to to burn in their car. wilton strickland wrote: 'Just saw soy oil at Sam's for $25.67 per 35 lb. jug; that's $5.58 per gallon!! Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Now you know why the soy BioDiesel plants are in a world of hurt! At 07:10 PM 4/13/2008, you wrote: They probably raised it because everyone was buying to to burn in their car. wilton strickland wrote: 'Just saw soy oil at Sam's for $25.67 per 35 lb. jug; that's $5.58 per gallon!! Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I've actually never seen food-grade vegetable oil of any type ever cheaper per gallon than #2 diesel, and that's with all the road taxes on the #2. I never understood why anyone would buy it for fuel. Allan -- 1983 300D Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Now you know why the soy BioDiesel plants are in a world of hurt! At 07:10 PM 4/13/2008, you wrote: They probably raised it because everyone was buying to to burn in their car. wilton strickland wrote: 'Just saw soy oil at Sam's for $25.67 per 35 lb. jug; that's $5.58 per gallon!! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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'Just saw soy oil at Sam's for $25.67 per 35 lb. jug; that's $5.58 per gallon!! Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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They probably raised it because everyone was buying to to burn in their car. wilton strickland wrote: 'Just saw soy oil at Sam's for $25.67 per 35 lb. jug; that's $5.58 per gallon!! Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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It will go up with the additional commercial BioD plants that are coming on line. More demand. On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 7:10 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They probably raised it because everyone was buying to to burn in their car. wilton strickland wrote: 'Just saw soy oil at Sam's for $25.67 per 35 lb. jug; that's $5.58 per gallon!! -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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every commodity price is going through the roof. are they still telling us there is no inflation or that lie has perhaps gone out the window? there is no inflation for washington talking heads who earn 7 figures a year as what the hell does it matter to them if something is $1 or $3. On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 8:12 PM, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It will go up with the additional commercial BioD plants that are coming on line. More demand. On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 7:10 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They probably raised it because everyone was buying to to burn in their car. wilton strickland wrote: 'Just saw soy oil at Sam's for $25.67 per 35 lb. jug; that's $5.58 per gallon!! -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I remember the song. A guy we called Scotch Dave used to always sing that one at the bistro... hm. It usually resulted in his being cut off, but that's another story. I tend to add color and fragrance to the soaps. My favorite is a pine/spruce thing I mix up. I have made a pine tar soap. Several years ago I sent a few bars to an old great aunt thinking she would reminisce. The soap hadn't aged so the bars were still a little soft. Poor old Aunt Gladys thought it was fudge and tried to eat it. --- Wikipedia has 49 references to lye soap and soap in general: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Searchsearch=lye+soapfullt ext=Searchoffset=0limit=20 Lye soaps were popular when I was a kid in the 1930s: In the old days, before the advent of liquid or even powdered detergents, folks kept a bar of laundry soap on hand alongside an old-fashioned grater, and they hand-grated up just the right amount of soap for each load of laundry. Laundry soaps are strong, never hard-milled like complexion soaps. Laundry soaps contain a higher proportion of lye than fine soaps do, which makes them well-suited to getting rid of germs, dirt, and foul odorssnip http://www.luckymojo.com/octagonsoap.html There was even a song written about lye soap: Do you remember Grandma's Lye Soap, Good for everything in the home, And the secret was in the scrubbing, It wouldn't suds, and wouldn't foam...snip http://kids.niehs.nih.gov/lyrics/lyesoap.htm Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Now, pine tar is something that I have a surplus of --- I have made a pine tar soap. Several years ago I sent a few bars to an old great aunt thinking she would reminisce. The soap hadn't aged so the bars were still a little soft. Poor old Aunt Gladys thought it was fudge and tried to eat it. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I think you have the idea for a new business here: designer diesel. You would have a ready market in certain circles. BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD 296k miles - make mine smell like fresh coffee (decaf) -Original Message- From: Timothy Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 11/12/07 11:24 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Soy oil Sodium hydroxide (lye same as I use to make soap) and methanol = methoxide. Titrate the oil to get formula. Water in the WVO will react with the lye to saponify into soap rather than to separate glycerine. Product has to be washed anyway to yield a purer biodiesel. (Making soap, I'm mixing water with the lye (sodium hydroxide) to yield just the result I'm hoping will NOT happen when making biodiesel. ) I'm not set up to reclaim the methanol from the glycerine yet. That would cut down on the cost. The methanol evaporates from the glycerine. Glycerine purified would have some value but the cost to do so isn't practical on small scale. It all breaks down on compost pile though.. A note, glycerine is usually removed from commercial soaps as it have other value. Homemade and superfatted soaps retaining the glycerin are superior in cutting grease. I keep my MB mechanic supplied with goat milk shea butter soap. (Considering while he was at it he just happened to find the vac leak in the A/C one of the '85s. Didn't charge!) OK... please don't laugh, Y'all... but rather than driving around with exhaust smelling like fast food I've sometimes wondered what sandalwood or lilac exhaust would... NAW... that'd just be silly. T (on 11/12/07 10:38 PM, OK Don at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, are you using just sodium hydroxide to extract the glycerin from the oil, or does it convert directly to soap? Guess I need to brush up on my chemistry! I've heard that you can use ethanol and potassium hydroxide instead of methanol and sodium hydroxide. I think the cost goes up a bit, but the toxic materials quantity goes way down. Solution? I shared samples of some of my homemade lye soap with management and they suggested I produce it for the mercantile outlets. It's win win. Though the price of diesel has climbed from $2.899 to $3.409 in the past months, a gallon of the WVO yields about 30 bars of soap each netting the cost of a gallon of fuel. Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I had an SDL that luther now has that was blown up by the stuff --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 10:49 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Soy oil Another snake oil? http://www.dieselsecret.com/ Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do you remember Grandma's Lye Soap, Good for everything in the home, And the secret was in the scrubbing, It wouldn't suds, and wouldn't foam.. Sounds like it would be good for a HE washing machine. They don't like sudsy detergent. -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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HDPE isn't affected, but other plastics can be. I don't know if Tom's plastic is HDPE or not... Luther On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 19:03:11 -0600, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Luther wrote: The only way to tell is try. Methanol is fairly safe, but when you add lye into it. Biodiesel is also hard on some plastics. Do you need a sample to soak a piece in?? I don't think plastics are generally affected by lye, at least not HDPE. They sell Drain-O in plastic bottles, and that basically just lye. Allan -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Is the metal stainless or aluminum? Luther On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 21:13:44 -0600, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They are made of HDPE. Now I just need to find a free veggi oil source. Thanks, Tom www.kegkits.com Original Message From: ernest breakfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11/12/07 08:52 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Soy Oil -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= hi Tom! i may have missed it, but i don't see where it says what those fermenters are made of. FWIW, the common 5Gal carriers (carboys) are HDPE, and i've got some of those that i've been using without incident for years. cheers! e -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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NaOH will produce a soap that is more solid than KOH in the biodiesel reaction. KOH is more forgiving if there is water in the oil or methanol/ethanol. HDPE becomes fuel in the event of a fire...then the contents do the same Need I say more? Luther On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:37:14 -0600, Timothy Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I kinda slept through college chemistry when they were cypherin' those equasions on the board.. I only use Sodium hydroxide (NaOH) rather than potassium (KOH) because it's what I'm used to and what I have on hand for soap. I know the weights are different and more KOH is required for saponification ... but again, I am used to NaOH and the ratios. (LOL.. I don't test on animals. I test on friends.) OH... Mr. Tom, to my knowledge the lye and methanol are no problem in reacting w/HOPE. Check out www.tank-depot.com Most of their reaction tanks for biodiesel are also sold as wine tanks. The only issue is the temperature the plastic can withstand as most folks heat the oil to 130F where it is held for duration of reaction. -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The valves are nickel plated brass. Tom www.kegkits.com Original Message From: Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11/13/07 11:11 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Soy Oil -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Is the metal stainless or aluminum? Luther On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 21:13:44 -0600, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They are made of HDPE. Now I just need to find a free veggi oil source. Thanks, Tom www.kegkits.com Original Message From: ernest breakfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11/12/07 08:52 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Soy Oil -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= hi Tom! i may have missed it, but i don't see where it says what those fermenters are made of. FWIW, the common 5Gal carriers (carboys) are HDPE, and i've got some of those that i've been using without incident for years. cheers! e -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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BT, WRONG! Methoxide is different. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methoxide Our substance is actually sodium/potassium hydroxide solution in methanol/ethanol. Glycerine that is made from NaOH will NOT breakdown on the compost pile. Excessive amounts of Na is not good for your ecosystem. Luther On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:24:00 -0600, Timothy Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sodium hydroxide (lye same as I use to make soap) and methanol = methoxide. Titrate the oil to get formula. Water in the WVO will react with the lye to saponify into soap rather than to separate glycerine. Product has to be washed anyway to yield a purer biodiesel. (Making soap, I'm mixing water with the lye (sodium hydroxide) to yield just the result I'm hoping will NOT happen when making biodiesel. ) I'm not set up to reclaim the methanol from the glycerine yet. That would cut down on the cost. The methanol evaporates from the glycerine. Glycerine purified would have some value but the cost to do so isn't practical on small scale. It all breaks down on compost pile though.. A note, glycerine is usually removed from commercial soaps as it have other value. Homemade and superfatted soaps retaining the glycerin are superior in cutting grease. I keep my MB mechanic supplied with goat milk shea butter soap. (Considering while he was at it he just happened to find the vac leak in the A/C one of the '85s. Didn't charge!) OK... please don't laugh, Y'all... but rather than driving around with exhaust smelling like fast food I've sometimes wondered what sandalwood or lilac exhaust would... NAW... that'd just be silly. T -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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It'll run fine, or so your ear will think. I don't recommend running any mix of vegetable oil in a diesel. There are no long term studies (100,000mi or more) that give veg oil a green light. All the studies have shown injector coking and buildup on the rings and prechambers. There is a good reason it needs to be made into biodiesel. Luther On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 16:51:53 -0600, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just stopped by Sams Club priced soy oil. $15.78 - 35# soy oil This comes to 5.8 gallons, based on my unscientific bathroom scale. At 5.8 gallons, 35#'s works out to $2.70 / gallon. Plus 8% local sales tax = $2.92 / gallon. Diesel is running around $3.50 / gallon around here. Now I'm wondering how a 50/50 or 80/20 mix will run in my 300SDL. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Meanwhile, the rest of us are paying at least $3 less per gallon of fuel. My 94S350 has over 50,000mi on 100% WVO in the summer and thinned WVO in the winter. Wait another few years and I'll have one 100,000mi or more statistic for you. -Dave Walton On 11/12/07, Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It'll run fine, or so your ear will think. I don't recommend running any mix of vegetable oil in a diesel. There are no long term studies (100,000mi or more) that give veg oil a green light. All the studies have shown injector coking and buildup on the rings and prechambers. There is a good reason it needs to be made into biodiesel. Luther On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 16:51:53 -0600, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just stopped by Sams Club priced soy oil. $15.78 - 35# soy oil This comes to 5.8 gallons, based on my unscientific bathroom scale. At 5.8 gallons, 35#'s works out to $2.70 / gallon. Plus 8% local sales tax = $2.92 / gallon. Diesel is running around $3.50 / gallon around here. Now I'm wondering how a 50/50 or 80/20 mix will run in my 300SDL. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Nov 11, 2007 3:14 PM, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: obviously. and i had spare fuel filters but nowhere was there a screwdriver to be found. had to get towed to the nearest ace hardware to buy a basic philips screwdriver And not only did you not have a tool kit in the car, but weren't even carrying a Swiss Army knife or a Leatherman? Tsk tsk. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. packed to the gills with tools, spare food, blankets, and other earthquake/natural-disaster/zombie-attack supplies ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Does anyone know if the chemicals used to make biodiesel will react with the plastic used in these plastic fermenters? http://www.kegkits.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGYCategory_Code= CF I'm asking because I'm a reseller and I am thinking of converting one into a biodiesel reactor. The fermenter already has a dump valve ports that I can use to install a heater, etc. Thanks, Tom www.kegkits.com Original Message From: Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11/12/07 11:09 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Soy Oil -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= On Nov 11, 2007 3:14 PM, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: obviously. and i had spare fuel filters but nowhere was there a screwdriver to be found. had to get towed to the nearest ace hardware to buy a basic philips screwdriver And not only did you not have a tool kit in the car, but weren't even carrying a Swiss Army knife or a Leatherman? Tsk tsk. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. packed to the gills with tools, spare food, blankets, and other earthquake/natural-disaster/zombie-attack supplies ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The only way to tell is try. Methanol is fairly safe, but when you add lye into it. Biodiesel is also hard on some plastics. Do you need a sample to soak a piece in?? Luther On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 14:36:43 -0600, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know if the chemicals used to make biodiesel will react with the plastic used in these plastic fermenters? http://www.kegkits.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGYCategory_Code= CF I'm asking because I'm a reseller and I am thinking of converting one into a biodiesel reactor. The fermenter already has a dump valve ports that I can use to install a heater, etc. Thanks, Tom www.kegkits.com -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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A sample would be great. Tom www.kegkits.com Original Message From: Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11/12/07 03:14 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Soy Oil -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= The only way to tell is try. Methanol is fairly safe, but when you add lye into it. Biodiesel is also hard on some plastics. Do you need a sample to soak a piece in?? Luther On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 14:36:43 -0600, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know if the chemicals used to make biodiesel will react with the plastic used in these plastic fermenters? http://www.kegkits.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGYCategory_Code= CF I'm asking because I'm a reseller and I am thinking of converting one into a biodiesel reactor. The fermenter already has a dump valve ports that I can use to install a heater, etc. Thanks, Tom www.kegkits.com -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Luther wrote: The only way to tell is try. Methanol is fairly safe, but when you add lye into it. Biodiesel is also hard on some plastics. Do you need a sample to soak a piece in?? I don't think plastics are generally affected by lye, at least not HDPE. They sell Drain-O in plastic bottles, and that basically just lye. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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hi Tom! i may have missed it, but i don't see where it says what those fermenters are made of. FWIW, the common 5Gal carriers (carboys) are HDPE, and i've got some of those that i've been using without incident for years. cheers! e Tom Hargrave wrote: Does anyone know if the chemicals used to make biodiesel will react with the plastic used in these plastic fermenters? http://www.kegkits.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGYCategory_Code= CF I'm asking because I'm a reseller and I am thinking of converting one into a biodiesel reactor. The fermenter already has a dump valve ports that I can use to install a heater, etc. Thanks, Tom www.kegkits.com Original Message From: Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11/12/07 11:09 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Soy Oil -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= On Nov 11, 2007 3:14 PM, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: obviously. and i had spare fuel filters but nowhere was there a screwdriver to be found. had to get towed to the nearest ace hardware to buy a basic philips screwdriver And not only did you not have a tool kit in the car, but weren't even carrying a Swiss Army knife or a Leatherman? Tsk tsk. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. packed to the gills with tools, spare food, blankets, and other earthquake/natural-disaster/zombie-attack supplies ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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They are made of HDPE. Now I just need to find a free veggi oil source. Thanks, Tom www.kegkits.com Original Message From: ernest breakfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11/12/07 08:52 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Soy Oil -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= hi Tom! i may have missed it, but i don't see where it says what those fermenters are made of. FWIW, the common 5Gal carriers (carboys) are HDPE, and i've got some of those that i've been using without incident for years. cheers! e Tom Hargrave wrote: Does anyone know if the chemicals used to make biodiesel will react with the plastic used in these plastic fermenters? http://www.kegkits.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGYCategory_Code= CF I'm asking because I'm a reseller and I am thinking of converting one into a biodiesel reactor. The fermenter already has a dump valve ports that I can use to install a heater, etc. Thanks, Tom www.kegkits.com Original Message From: Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11/12/07 11:09 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Soy Oil -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= On Nov 11, 2007 3:14 PM, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: obviously. and i had spare fuel filters but nowhere was there a screwdriver to be found. had to get towed to the nearest ace hardware to buy a basic philips screwdriver And not only did you not have a tool kit in the car, but weren't even carrying a Swiss Army knife or a Leatherman? Tsk tsk. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. packed to the gills with tools, spare food, blankets, and other earthquake/natural-disaster/zombie-attack supplies ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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So, are you using just sodium hydroxide to extract the glycerin from the oil, or does it convert directly to soap? Guess I need to brush up on my chemistry! I've heard that you can use ethanol and potassium hydroxide instead of methanol and sodium hydroxide. I think the cost goes up a bit, but the toxic materials quantity goes way down. Solution? I shared samples of some of my homemade lye soap with management and they suggested I produce it for the mercantile outlets. It's win win. Though the price of diesel has climbed from $2.899 to $3.409 in the past months, a gallon of the WVO yields about 30 bars of soap each netting the cost of a gallon of fuel. Tim -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I'm curious about the ethanol and potassium hydroxide method since I'm a brewer anyway. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 9:38 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Soy oil So, are you using just sodium hydroxide to extract the glycerin from the oil, or does it convert directly to soap? Guess I need to brush up on my chemistry! I've heard that you can use ethanol and potassium hydroxide instead of methanol and sodium hydroxide. I think the cost goes up a bit, but the toxic materials quantity goes way down. Solution? I shared samples of some of my homemade lye soap with management and they suggested I produce it for the mercantile outlets. It's win win. Though the price of diesel has climbed from $2.899 to $3.409 in the past months, a gallon of the WVO yields about 30 bars of soap each netting the cost of a gallon of fuel. Tim -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Sodium hydroxide (lye same as I use to make soap) and methanol = methoxide. Titrate the oil to get formula. Water in the WVO will react with the lye to saponify into soap rather than to separate glycerine. Product has to be washed anyway to yield a purer biodiesel. (Making soap, I'm mixing water with the lye (sodium hydroxide) to yield just the result I'm hoping will NOT happen when making biodiesel. ) I'm not set up to reclaim the methanol from the glycerine yet. That would cut down on the cost. The methanol evaporates from the glycerine. Glycerine purified would have some value but the cost to do so isn't practical on small scale. It all breaks down on compost pile though.. A note, glycerine is usually removed from commercial soaps as it have other value. Homemade and superfatted soaps retaining the glycerin are superior in cutting grease. I keep my MB mechanic supplied with goat milk shea butter soap. (Considering while he was at it he just happened to find the vac leak in the A/C one of the '85s. Didn't charge!) OK... please don't laugh, Y'all... but rather than driving around with exhaust smelling like fast food I've sometimes wondered what sandalwood or lilac exhaust would... NAW... that'd just be silly. T (on 11/12/07 10:38 PM, OK Don at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, are you using just sodium hydroxide to extract the glycerin from the oil, or does it convert directly to soap? Guess I need to brush up on my chemistry! I've heard that you can use ethanol and potassium hydroxide instead of methanol and sodium hydroxide. I think the cost goes up a bit, but the toxic materials quantity goes way down. Solution? I shared samples of some of my homemade lye soap with management and they suggested I produce it for the mercantile outlets. It's win win. Though the price of diesel has climbed from $2.899 to $3.409 in the past months, a gallon of the WVO yields about 30 bars of soap each netting the cost of a gallon of fuel. Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Dr. Dan on the Biodiesel list is the one promoting it. Sounds reasonable, but I don't have the details. I guess the trick is that the ethanol needs to be anhydrous --- On Nov 12, 2007 9:45 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm curious about the ethanol and potassium hydroxide method since I'm a brewer anyway. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I kinda slept through college chemistry when they were cypherin' those equasions on the board.. I only use Sodium hydroxide (NaOH) rather than potassium (KOH) because it's what I'm used to and what I have on hand for soap. I know the weights are different and more KOH is required for saponification ... but again, I am used to NaOH and the ratios. (LOL.. I don't test on animals. I test on friends.) OH... Mr. Tom, to my knowledge the lye and methanol are no problem in reacting w/HOPE. Check out www.tank-depot.com Most of their reaction tanks for biodiesel are also sold as wine tanks. The only issue is the temperature the plastic can withstand as most folks heat the oil to 130F where it is held for duration of reaction. 11/12/07 10:45 PM, Tom Hargrave at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm curious about the ethanol and potassium hydroxide method since I'm a brewer anyway. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 9:38 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Soy oil So, are you using just sodium hydroxide to extract the glycerin from the oil, or does it convert directly to soap? Guess I need to brush up on my chemistry! I've heard that you can use ethanol and potassium hydroxide instead of methanol and sodium hydroxide. I think the cost goes up a bit, but the toxic materials quantity goes way down. Solution? I shared samples of some of my homemade lye soap with management and they suggested I produce it for the mercantile outlets. It's win win. Though the price of diesel has climbed from $2.899 to $3.409 in the past months, a gallon of the WVO yields about 30 bars of soap each netting the cost of a gallon of fuel. Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Another snake oil? http://www.dieselsecret.com/ Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Hargrave Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 9:45 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Soy oil I'm curious about the ethanol and potassium hydroxide method since I'm a brewer anyway. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 9:38 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Soy oil So, are you using just sodium hydroxide to extract the glycerin from the oil, or does it convert directly to soap? Guess I need to brush up on my chemistry! I've heard that you can use ethanol and potassium hydroxide instead of methanol and sodium hydroxide. I think the cost goes up a bit, but the toxic materials quantity goes way down. Solution? I shared samples of some of my homemade lye soap with management and they suggested I produce it for the mercantile outlets. It's win win. Though the price of diesel has climbed from $2.899 to $3.409 in the past months, a gallon of the WVO yields about 30 bars of soap each netting the cost of a gallon of fuel. Tim -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Looks like red dye, maybe some algaecide to keep the oil from gunking up? --R Tom Hargrave wrote: Another snake oil? http://www.dieselsecret.com/ T ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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So, I have to distill it then dry it since I can only reach 190 proof? Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 10:27 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List; Biodiesel Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Soy oil Dr. Dan on the Biodiesel list is the one promoting it. Sounds reasonable, but I don't have the details. I guess the trick is that the ethanol needs to be anhydrous --- On Nov 12, 2007 9:45 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm curious about the ethanol and potassium hydroxide method since I'm a brewer anyway. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:49:14 -0600 Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another snake oil? http://www.dieselsecret.com/ YES! STAY AWAY! Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Any water present is gonna react to make soap. on 11/12/07 11:56 PM, Tom Hargrave at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, I have to distill it then dry it since I can only reach 190 proof? Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 10:27 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List; Biodiesel Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Soy oil Dr. Dan on the Biodiesel list is the one promoting it. Sounds reasonable, but I don't have the details. I guess the trick is that the ethanol needs to be anhydrous --- On Nov 12, 2007 9:45 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm curious about the ethanol and potassium hydroxide method since I'm a brewer anyway. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I figured so - I went through the entire web side could find nothing substantial. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Craig McCluskey Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 11:01 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Soy oil On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:49:14 -0600 Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another snake oil? http://www.dieselsecret.com/ YES! STAY AWAY! Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I'm curious about the ethanol and potassium hydroxide method since I'm a brewer anyway. Thanks, Tom Hargrave On Behalf Of OK Don So, are you using just sodium hydroxide to extract the glycerin from the oil, or does it convert directly to soap? Guess I need to brush up on my chemistry! I've heard that you can use ethanol and potassium hydroxide instead of methanol and sodium hydroxide. I think the cost goes up a bit, but the toxic materials quantity goes way down. Solution? I shared samples of some of my homemade lye soap with management and they suggested I produce it for the mercantile outlets. It's win win. Though the price of diesel has climbed from $2.899 to $3.409 in the past months, a gallon of the WVO yields about 30 bars of soap each netting the cost of a gallon of fuel. Tim --- Wikipedia has 49 references to lye soap and soap in general: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Searchsearch=lye+soapfulltext=Searchoffset=0limit=20 Lye soaps were popular when I was a kid in the 1930s: In the old days, before the advent of liquid or even powdered detergents, folks kept a bar of laundry soap on hand alongside an old-fashioned grater, and they hand-grated up just the right amount of soap for each load of laundry. Laundry soaps are strong, never hard-milled like complexion soaps. Laundry soaps contain a higher proportion of lye than fine soaps do, which makes them well-suited to getting rid of germs, dirt, and foul odorssnip http://www.luckymojo.com/octagonsoap.html There was even a song written about lye soap: Do you remember Grandma's Lye Soap, Good for everything in the home, And the secret was in the scrubbing, It wouldn't suds, and wouldn't foam...snip http://kids.niehs.nih.gov/lyrics/lyesoap.htm Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Soy Oil
I just stopped by Sams Club priced soy oil. $15.78 - 35# soy oil This comes to 5.8 gallons, based on my unscientific bathroom scale. At 5.8 gallons, 35#'s works out to $2.70 / gallon. Plus 8% local sales tax = $2.92 / gallon. Diesel is running around $3.50 / gallon around here. Now I'm wondering how a 50/50 or 80/20 mix will run in my 300SDL. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Just fine. Don't do this in cold weather, it can wax out on you! It will also grow bugs, unlike regular diesel, so toss in some RedLine. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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another issue is that the oil will act as a solvent, so if you have a dirty fuel tank, you will throw it throughout the fuel system and get stuck in the middle of the road while taking your mother to the airport. On Nov 11, 2007 5:51 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just stopped by Sams Club priced soy oil. $15.78 - 35# soy oil This comes to 5.8 gallons, based on my unscientific bathroom scale. At 5.8 gallons, 35#'s works out to $2.70 / gallon. Plus 8% local sales tax = $2.92 / gallon. Diesel is running around $3.50 / gallon around here. Now I'm wondering how a 50/50 or 80/20 mix will run in my 300SDL. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The voice of experience? Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 5:04 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Soy Oil another issue is that the oil will act as a solvent, so if you have a dirty fuel tank, you will throw it throughout the fuel system and get stuck in the middle of the road while taking your mother to the airport. On Nov 11, 2007 5:51 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just stopped by Sams Club priced soy oil. $15.78 - 35# soy oil This comes to 5.8 gallons, based on my unscientific bathroom scale. At 5.8 gallons, 35#'s works out to $2.70 / gallon. Plus 8% local sales tax = $2.92 / gallon. Diesel is running around $3.50 / gallon around here. Now I'm wondering how a 50/50 or 80/20 mix will run in my 300SDL. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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obviously. and i had spare fuel filters but nowhere was there a screwdriver to be found. had to get towed to the nearest ace hardware to buy a basic philips screwdriver On Nov 11, 2007 6:09 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The voice of experience? Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 5:04 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Soy Oil another issue is that the oil will act as a solvent, so if you have a dirty fuel tank, you will throw it throughout the fuel system and get stuck in the middle of the road while taking your mother to the airport. On Nov 11, 2007 5:51 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just stopped by Sams Club priced soy oil. $15.78 - 35# soy oil This comes to 5.8 gallons, based on my unscientific bathroom scale. At 5.8 gallons, 35#'s works out to $2.70 / gallon. Plus 8% local sales tax = $2.92 / gallon. Diesel is running around $3.50 / gallon around here. Now I'm wondering how a 50/50 or 80/20 mix will run in my 300SDL. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Hi, I can put exacty 5.0 gallons of K1 into my waste soy cubes. How do you get 5.8?? Ed In Chicago Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: another issue is that the oil will act as a solvent, so if you have a dirty fuel tank, you will throw it throughout the fuel system and get stuck in the middle of the road while taking your mother to the airport. On Nov 11, 2007 5:51 PM, Tom Hargrave wrote: I just stopped by Sams Club priced soy oil. $15.78 - 35# soy oil This comes to 5.8 gallons, based on my unscientific bathroom scale. At 5.8 gallons, 35#'s works out to $2.70 / gallon. Plus 8% local sales tax = $2.92 / gallon. Diesel is running around $3.50 / gallon around here. Now I'm wondering how a 50/50 or 80/20 mix will run in my 300SDL. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Ed, I just weighed a gallon of veggi oil it came to 6 pounds. 35 pounds / 6 pounds = 5.833 gallons. Is K1 lighter or heavier than veggi oil? For that matter, does anyone know what 1 gallon of soy oil really weights? Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of EDWARD DENNIS Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 5:08 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Soy Oil Hi, I can put exacty 5.0 gallons of K1 into my waste soy cubes. How do you get 5.8?? Ed In Chicago Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: another issue is that the oil will act as a solvent, so if you have a dirty fuel tank, you will throw it throughout the fuel system and get stuck in the middle of the road while taking your mother to the airport. On Nov 11, 2007 5:51 PM, Tom Hargrave wrote: I just stopped by Sams Club priced soy oil. $15.78 - 35# soy oil This comes to 5.8 gallons, based on my unscientific bathroom scale. At 5.8 gallons, 35#'s works out to $2.70 / gallon. Plus 8% local sales tax = $2.92 / gallon. Diesel is running around $3.50 / gallon around here. Now I'm wondering how a 50/50 or 80/20 mix will run in my 300SDL. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Soy oil
At 7.6 lb./gal, how can 35 lbs. of soy oil = 5.8 gal.? I thought it 4.6 gal. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I weighed 6 lb, so one gallon of soy oil weighs 7.6 pounds? Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wilton strickland Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 5:37 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Soy oil At 7.6 lb./gal, how can 35 lbs. of soy oil = 5.8 gal.? I thought it 4.6 gal. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I run 50/50 waste canola oil and diesel all winter in Cleveland, Ohio. It's good to at least -5F. The 87SDL ran 100% WVO all summer with no mods to the car whatsoever. -Dave Walton On 11/11/07, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just stopped by Sams Club priced soy oil. $15.78 - 35# soy oil This comes to 5.8 gallons, based on my unscientific bathroom scale. At 5.8 gallons, 35#'s works out to $2.70 / gallon. Plus 8% local sales tax = $2.92 / gallon. Diesel is running around $3.50 / gallon around here. Now I'm wondering how a 50/50 or 80/20 mix will run in my 300SDL. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Specific gravity of soy oil = ~0.92. Weight of water = ~8.34 lbs./gal. @ 62 degrees F. .92 X 8.34lbs/gal = ~7.67lbs/gal. = wt. of soy oil. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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wilton strickland wrote: Specific gravity of soy oil = ~0.92. Weight of water = ~8.34 lbs./gal. @ 62 degrees F. .92 X 8.34lbs/gal = ~7.67lbs/gal. = wt. of soy oil. Makes sense, as I was pretty sure a 35lb tote was less than 5 gallons. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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on 11/11/07 7:08 PM, Tom Hargrave at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I weighed 6 lb, so one gallon of soy oil weighs 7.6 pounds? Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wilton strickland Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 5:37 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Soy oil At 7.6 lb./gal, how can 35 lbs. of soy oil = 5.8 gal.? I thought it 4.6 gal. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Took a contract this summer which requires a 50 mi. r/t commute each day. The last three miles is the steepest state maintained road in the state. It's a difficult climb on most vehicles to 4,500 ft. and just as difficult on the brakes descending. I had lots of faith in the ole 300D. Even with a/c running it tools right along climbing the grade. Temp gauge stays in a good range even though low gear and low spped negotiating hairpin curves. The motor and trans holds back on the descent unlike others who are replacing brake pads every month. Anyway, a perk is that I agreed to accept the WVO from the park (a favor to the company considering the remote location). The used soy oil is good quality. The food service pre-filters it while warm and replaces it into the 35# containers. Eight containers I haul off each week equals just about 40 ga. Intention was to alter one of the cars with a two tank system. I decided instead to build a processor at home and remove the glycerin. (Was planning to build an Appleseed processor as I'd planned to replace the hot water heater at home anyway.) Lye was no problem as another hobby is I make my own soap. I order sodium hydroxide by the case anyway. Thing was, I started looking into the cost of methanol and the thought of having a 55 ga. drum of it sitting in the garage. Solution? I shared samples of some of my homemade lye soap with management and they suggested I produce it for the mercantile outlets. It's win win. Though the price of diesel has climbed from $2.899 to $3.409 in the past months, a gallon of the WVO yields about 30 bars of soap each netting the cost of a gallon of fuel. Tim '85 300D 322K '85 300D 223K '85 300D 112K '84 300D 211K ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
