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Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au wrote: I am pretty sure that you are supposed to drain the fuel tank every now and then to get rid of any water sitting in the bottom of the tank. I prefer to practice good tank hygiene, and on the fall use a de-watering additive. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On 25/12/2011 5:21 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: ...Marshall often said things that were not exactly true... Open to interpretation, let's say. His position on the need for water separators, as one example. RLE ___ So, was he for them or against them? I cannot recall. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Dec 27, 2011, at 11:15 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: His position on the need for water separators, as one example. RLE ___ So, was he for them or against them? I cannot recall. If it didn't come from the factory, your Mercedes doesn't need it. That was MB's (Marshall Booth's) position on most, if not ALL thing relating to a Mercedes automobile. On water separators, his opinion was that the design of the factory fuel filter precipitated the water out to the bottom of the filter anyway and that any thing additional was unnecessary. I THINK Roger is of the opinion that ANY water that makes it to the fuel injector nozzle, is responsible for nailing and premature wear. I THINK. RLE will correct me, if I am wrong... Rick Sent from my ATT rotary phone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Tue, 27 Dec 2011 11:27:42 -0600 Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: Sent from my ATT rotary phone Cute. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The spin-on filter has a limited capability to trap water. I know because mine rusted out from the inside. The problem is that you can't see if there is a lot of water in the filter or not. Same with the tank, maybe there ie water in there ... maybe not. I got one bad load of fuel on a trip near Murfreesboro NC about 5 years ago: water and crud. So bad it clogged the in-tank filter to the point I couldn't sustain over 40 mph and it also messed up the inside of the tank. A DIY cleaning fixed the problem (but the tank ain't shiny inside any more). IMO, a daily driver should be fine with the factory setup. But if the car sits a lot or questionable fuel is likely, a supplemental filter may be a good idea. But if you ever get a really big slug of crud like I did (not just a little condensation) a filter can't do the job because the in-tank screen will clog. Boats have this problem, especially sailboats that use very little fuel most of the time but live in a very humid environment. By the way, the marine industry does something called polishing Diesel fuel by pumping it through an mobile external filter to remove water, crud, and bugs. Never a consideration with my little 10 gal tank (and 8 hp engine) but I can see the merit if you had hundreds of gallons sitting in the tanks. -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Monday, December 26, 2011 8:26 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] The gospel according to.. Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com writes: I have a clear-bowl racor here someplace. Somehow my impression is that for small automobile diesel engines, racor is a bit overkill? Ya think it is useful for 240D with clutch? The spin-on filter will trap water. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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racor is the normal add on choice. But if you can find an escort/tempo dissel in a junkyard, they had a filter/separator/heater that worked pretty well. I like the stanadyne see-through as in John Deere (US not japanese) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Dieselhead wrote: racor is the normal add on choice. I have a clear-bowl racor here someplace. Somehow my impression is that for small automobile diesel engines, racor is a bit overkill? Ya think it is useful for 240D with clutch? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com writes: I have a clear-bowl racor here someplace. Somehow my impression is that for small automobile diesel engines, racor is a bit overkill? Ya think it is useful for 240D with clutch? The spin-on filter will trap water. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yeah, what exactly is the issue here? We've had mercedes diesels in the family since the early 80s and never had water/fuel related issues, and always used factory filtration. Is fuel quality that bad in some parts of the country? Jaime On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 6:21 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: ...Marshall often said things that were not exactly true... Open to interpretation, let's say. His position on the need for water separators, as one example. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Mon, 26 Dec 2011 20:35:47 -0500 Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, what exactly is the issue here? We've had mercedes diesels in the family since the early 80s and never had water/fuel related issues, and always used factory filtration. Is fuel quality that bad in some parts of the country? There was a fuel station just south of Yellowstone Park at which I got some diesel a number of years ago. That was a mistake. It had a lot of water in it. I had been fishing in Yellowstone and heard a Benz diesel drive north through the park about 100 yards from where I was. I could not believe the horrible noises his car was making. Pinging is way too mild a description. When I headed south and got that batch of fuel, I suddenly knew why that fellow's car was making noise. When we got back to Colorado Springs, the AC compressor was loose from the engine's rough running. I have a Racor in the garage waiting installation. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I agree with Jaime. This is another, If the engineers at MB thought it was warranted, they would have fitted one to the cars. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Dec 26, 2011, at 8:35 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, what exactly is the issue here? We've had mercedes diesels in the family since the early 80s and never had water/fuel related issues, and always used factory filtration. Is fuel quality that bad in some parts of the country? Jaime On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 6:21 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: ...Marshall often said things that were not exactly true... Open to interpretation, let's say. His position on the need for water separators, as one example. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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If you get a load of bad fuel, it can pay for itself quickly. If your fuel is always good, you don't need it. How's that for a political answer? I ran the roosaMaster Filter on my 200D. I have not added one to later diesels. At the time, the Master Filter took out smaller particles than the stock filter, so the thinking was to run fuel through it, then the main filter, and then you only need to change the main filter (cartridge in that case) rarely. In addition the Master Filter was an additional water trap. I have not investigated micron sizes lately. Dieselhead wrote: racor is the normal add on choice. I have a clear-bowl racor here someplace. Somehow my impression is that for small automobile diesel engines, racor is a bit overkill? Ya think it is useful for 240D with clutch? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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A load of bad fuel is rare. I have a bad load of fuel maybe once in 10 years. One was a major truckstop. one was an elevator pump your own, which is generally safe. Adding an additional filter is perhaps overkill, but a good water separator can save you a lot of hassle. Bad fuel comes in two forms: rust and crud, taken out by the filter; or water, of which a small amount will be caught by the filter. According to Murphy: you get a bad load of fuel after midnight in a blizzard or cold rain, or at some other time that is most inconvenient. The last time I had to drive over 100 miles at 35-40 until I got to a town that had a Napa store that was open. One other time, it was over 150 miles at 25-30, and these are just crud cases. With a water case, you can be F.O.R.D. On an interstate near a large city, just call for the rollback truck. If you are on a no-shoulder road far from major cities, it can be (indirectly) fatal I agree with Jaime. This is another, If the engineers at MB thought it was warranted, they would have fitted one to the cars. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Dec 26, 2011, at 8:35 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, what exactly is the issue here? We've had mercedes diesels in the family since the early 80s and never had water/fuel related issues, and always used factory filtration. Is fuel quality that bad in some parts of the country? Jaime On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 6:21 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: ...Marshall often said things that were not exactly true... Open to interpretation, let's say. His position on the need for water separators, as one example. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I agree with Jaime. This is another, If the engineers at MB thought it was warranted, they would have fitted one to the cars. Dan One other thought about this: Fuel in Germany is always good. Electricity in Germany is always stable at 50 HZ and 240 or whatever the voltage is. This is true for most of europe. The radio station frequency does not drift. In the RTW, the fuel is not always good. The frequency and voltage in the RTW fluctuate. At one place I worked for a couple weeks, they had a grain mill for milling corn. in the corner was a pile of european electric motors, burned out from the frequent brownouts. The engineer said they fail regularly. I had the same problem once. A $30,000 in 1990 dollars new machine went bonkers because the voltage/frequency in the US are not as stable as in the Fatherland. We made them send a new machine and we put in a BIG buck booster to try to clean up the juice. The becker and Blaupunkt radios I loved in my 110s were too sensitive to stay on station as the US stations drifted. The Becker radios from the 80s are better. My guess is they've added circuitry to follow the station as it drifts. When it comes to systems not subject to local conditions: chassis, engine, trans, wheels and tires etc, I always believe the MB engineers know best. Adapting for local conditions, such as fuel, or adding extra heaters for North of the 45th parallel is not verboten in my book. If the RTW could only be like the Fatherland Oh! That was tried 70 years ago and it didn't work out so well. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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In the 50s, I'd agree with you. But by the 60s, the amount of testing that was occurring outside of germany was already significant. The cars that most of us drive, even W114/5 cars, were designed for lots of markets, and tested in them. And US market cars were adapted as necessary (by MBNA, or at the factory) in most cases. Block heaters, fuel heaters (MBNA) and stationary heaters (factory) as a good example of these adaptations for cold weather operation. I'm sure you've seen the options for suspension for countries with poor road conditions, or engines with low compression for some markets. More good examples. Of course, there are extremes, and exceptions which can cause problems which aren't easily solved. Thats when the bean counters get more involved. Jaime On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 9:36 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with Jaime. This is another, If the engineers at MB thought it was warranted, they would have fitted one to the cars. Dan One other thought about this: Fuel in Germany is always good. Electricity in Germany is always stable at 50 HZ and 240 or whatever the voltage is. This is true for most of europe. The radio station frequency does not drift. In the RTW, the fuel is not always good. The frequency and voltage in the RTW fluctuate. At one place I worked for a couple weeks, they had a grain mill for milling corn. in the corner was a pile of european electric motors, burned out from the frequent brownouts. The engineer said they fail regularly. I had the same problem once. A $30,000 in 1990 dollars new machine went bonkers because the voltage/frequency in the US are not as stable as in the Fatherland. We made them send a new machine and we put in a BIG buck booster to try to clean up the juice. The becker and Blaupunkt radios I loved in my 110s were too sensitive to stay on station as the US stations drifted. The Becker radios from the 80s are better. My guess is they've added circuitry to follow the station as it drifts. When it comes to systems not subject to local conditions: chassis, engine, trans, wheels and tires etc, I always believe the MB engineers know best. Adapting for local conditions, such as fuel, or adding extra heaters for North of the 45th parallel is not verboten in my book. If the RTW could only be like the Fatherland Oh! That was tried 70 years ago and it didn't work out so well. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The first long drive I took with my '83 240D (the ride home actually) took me on the Taconic Parkway south of Albany, NY. I stopped at a little gas station in the middle of the night (I was MASSIVELY lost) and got a gallon of water with my fill-up. The engine got noisier and lost power. Of course with a 240D when you lose power you notice! A quart of Diesel Kleen (thank you 24 hour Wal-Mart) fixed the issue eventually. -Curt Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 18:45:47 -0700 From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] The gospel according to.. Message-ID: 20111226184547.96d69922.diese...@pisquared.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 26 Dec 2011 20:35:47 -0500 Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, what exactly is the issue here? We've had mercedes diesels in the family since the early 80s and never had water/fuel related issues, and always used factory filtration. Is fuel quality that bad in some parts of the country? There was a fuel station just south of Yellowstone Park at which I got some diesel a number of years ago. That was a mistake. It had a lot of water in it. I had been fishing in Yellowstone and heard a Benz diesel drive north through the park about 100 yards from where I was. I could not believe the horrible noises his car was making. Pinging is way too mild a description. When I headed south and got that batch of fuel, I suddenly knew why that fellow's car was making noise. When we got back to Colorado Springs, the AC compressor was loose from the engine's rough running. I have a Racor in the garage waiting installation. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Mon, 26 Dec 2011 20:36:44 -0600 Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: In the RTW, the fuel is not always good. RTW? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Craig diese...@pisquared.net writes: On Mon, 26 Dec 2011 20:36:44 -0600 Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: In the RTW, the fuel is not always good. RTW? Rest of the world, I'm guessing. Though MB was/is quite aware that they sell cars worldwide, not just in Germany and not just in Europe. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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'Got some bad (water) fuel from Texaco leaving Charlotte, NC, early on a 10-degree Sunday morning in my 80 240D about 1985. About 10 miles later, I couldn't get over 40 mph on I-85N; by coupla hours later, I was occasionally down to 20 mph on the shoulder of I-40E; after 20 minutes or so at 20, ice in the fuel ine evidently melted so I could again go 40 or so; as the day warmed up in mid afternoon, I was able to go 55 to sixty the last hour into Goldsboro. Normally 3-and-a-half-hour trip took nearly seven hours. Never had any more fuel trouble. Wilton - Original Message - From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, December 26, 2011 9:15 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] The gospel according to.. A load of bad fuel is rare. I have a bad load of fuel maybe once in 10 years. One was a major truckstop. one was an elevator pump your own, which is generally safe. Adding an additional filter is perhaps overkill, but a good water separator can save you a lot of hassle. Bad fuel comes in two forms: rust and crud, taken out by the filter; or water, of which a small amount will be caught by the filter. According to Murphy: you get a bad load of fuel after midnight in a blizzard or cold rain, or at some other time that is most inconvenient. The last time I had to drive over 100 miles at 35-40 until I got to a town that had a Napa store that was open. One other time, it was over 150 miles at 25-30, and these are just crud cases. With a water case, you can be F.O.R.D. On an interstate near a large city, just call for the rollback truck. If you are on a no-shoulder road far from major cities, it can be (indirectly) fatal I agree with Jaime. This is another, If the engineers at MB thought it was warranted, they would have fitted one to the cars. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Dec 26, 2011, at 8:35 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, what exactly is the issue here? We've had mercedes diesels in the family since the early 80s and never had water/fuel related issues, and always used factory filtration. Is fuel quality that bad in some parts of the country? Jaime On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 6:21 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: ...Marshall often said things that were not exactly true... Open to interpretation, let's say. His position on the need for water separators, as one example. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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In the 50s, I'd agree with you. But by the 60s, the amount of testing that was occurring outside of germany was already significant. The cars that most of us drive, even W114/5 cars, were designed for lots of markets, and tested in them. And US market cars were adapted as necessary (by MBNA, or at the factory) in most cases. Block heaters, fuel heaters (MBNA) and stationary heaters (factory) as a good example of these adaptations for cold weather operation. I'm sure you've seen the options for suspension for countries with poor road conditions, or engines with low compression for some markets. More good examples. Of course, there are extremes, and exceptions which can cause problems which aren't easily solved. Thats when the bean counters get more involved. Jaime Yes, overall MB has done a great job over the decades, at least up to the 124 and 126 series. I have no first hand experience after that. And, implied in my comment about water separators is that they may not be necessary, as I have not installed one after my 200D. In general fuel in this country does not have much water problems. But if you ever get a load of water in the fuel, you will wish you had a separator. That is all I am saying. And yes, the worldwide options for suspension components is mind boggling, especially when the originals are worn beyond identification. I once worked on a 111 with saggy springs, and the options of springs, and rubber spring seats worldwide is truly mindboggling. I just wish MBUSA would let us have more choices. 99.9% of the time a water separator is not necessary. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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RTW= rest of the world.In this usage, outside Germany Usually it means outside the US, where you have lots of choices of diesel vehicles, and choices of MBs and MB options (or lack thereof) that MBUSA says we can't have. Most of my choices would be delete On Mon, 26 Dec 2011 20:36:44 -0600 Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: In the RTW, the fuel is not always good. RTW? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I am pretty sure that you are supposed to drain the fuel tank every now and then to get rid of any water sitting in the bottom of the tank. Hendrik who has water traps but they never have any water in them Dan Penoff wrote: I agree with Jaime. This is another, If the engineers at MB thought it was warranted, they would have fitted one to the cars. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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...Marshall often said things that were not exactly true... Open to interpretation, let's say. His position on the need for water separators, as one example. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Dec 25, 2011, at 5:21 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: His position on the need for water separators, as one example. You think they are almost a necessity, IIRC. Which one would you recommend? Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
